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ClimbK2
11-16-2006, 08:59 PM
I'm interested in people's experiences with 18x20 string-pattern racquets (e.g., Wilson N6.1 95, Prestige, Volkl, Technifiber, Yonex RDX HD etc.), as well as their experiences with different types of string for those racquets.

Background:
I decided the ProKennex Ki-5 PSE (BDE 16 gut) I've been using is too heavy (13 oz.) for me. I demoed the Wilson N6.1 95 16x18 and 18x20 and was surprised to find I preferred the 18x20 from the start. I briefly demoed the Head Flex Pt Prestige and Volkl DNX-10, & thought the Prestige was a bit stiff, & DNX too low powered. However, I used the DNX a couple days later for drills, and started to REALLY like the racquet. Would I also like the Prestige with softer string?

I'm 45, 4.0, had some tennis elbow problems (1 H BH) & tend to be a consistent, not power player (some might say counter-puncher). My strokes became longer after switching from a Wilson 5.3 Hammer to the Ki-5 PSE a couple years ago.

aznspongehead
11-16-2006, 09:04 PM
Lquidmetal Prestige!

I've not played with other 18x20 rackets but that's the racket I'm using and it's great.

str33t
11-16-2006, 09:10 PM
for me, 18x20 racquets have a much more consistent and solid feel than more open string patterns.

DRtenniS1112
11-16-2006, 09:29 PM
i love my flexpoint prestiges strung with plain old syn. gut at 60 lbs

sureshs
11-16-2006, 09:35 PM
Try the T315 which I use or its successor the T320

AJK1
11-16-2006, 09:35 PM
My advice is don't get one. I've gone back to 16x19 and the ball spin and cupping is far superior.

DRtenniS1112
11-16-2006, 09:36 PM
My advice is don't get one. I've gone back to 16x19 and the ball spin and cupping is far superior.

Now that just isn't fair. The control is better on 18x20. If you want control then your advice doesn't work.

SFrazeur
11-16-2006, 09:56 PM
I used the 6.1 95 for about a year; it is a wonderfully consistent and stable racquet. I used Wilson Sensation in it @ 57. Some say that the n6.1 18x20 is too stiff, mostly these people string too high. 57 is the max that I would recommend stringing it. The reason I strung it that high is because Sensation loses tension very quickly, at lest in my opinion. If I was using the nxt duo like I use in my n6.1 90 now, I would string @55-54.

If you have are particular questions I would be happy to better recall my experiences with the n6.1 18x20.

Also, if anyone is interested I will be putting mine up in the For Sale/For Trade Section tomorrow late afternoon.

stormholloway
11-16-2006, 09:56 PM
I say get an 18x20 and string it low so you get cupping + a consistent feel.

kchau
11-16-2006, 10:37 PM
rdx 500 hd

Casco
11-16-2006, 10:38 PM
The n6.1-95 (18x20) is a wonderfully stable, solid, and well controlled racquet. It has nice pop when serving. And unlike the 16x18 version of the n6.1 95, it does not have to be strung at 60 or greater to keep the ball in the court. You can string in the low to mid range. You can hit flat when you wish, and there is plenty of access to spin - your choice. The 18x20 pattern is also good for string life.

sloe_torture
11-16-2006, 11:09 PM
I bounce around between the Wilson PS 85, Volkl T10 Gen2, and the Head LM Prestige Mid. My Prestige is currently weighted and strung with Prince Synthetic Gut 17 @ 63 lbs.

I agree with the previous posters on the consistency factor of denser stringbeds. The Prestige gives me a more confident control feedback on volleys than on my Volkl and on my PS 85 just because the Prestige's string square size are consistent. Alghough I've spent the past 13 years playing with the PS 85 I can honestly say that I am more confident playing S&V tennis with the Prestige. Sure, it's easier to get bite on a ball with a 16x19 but with the proper string, tension, and string gauge you shouldn't have a hard time adjusting to an 18x20.

snoflewis
11-16-2006, 11:30 PM
if you had tennis elbow problems, i'd probably got w/ a softer 18x20 racket.

these would include the volkl 10 series, LM prestige, i.prestige, PC600, rdx500 HD, and redondos.

ericwong
11-17-2006, 03:06 AM
Redondo with 49 LBS. Swoosh like speeding car and hit like heaven.

f2fanatic
11-17-2006, 03:44 AM
Used to play an MFil 300 now a LM Prestige strung at 52/55 (SPPP-Gosen 17) and everytime I hit the ball, it is like I grab it with my hand and throw it back :-D :-D . The racket feels like an extension of the hand. Very nice feeling. With this kind of setup, spin is not a problem.

Pusher
11-17-2006, 04:12 AM
I'm interested in people's experiences with 18x20 string-pattern racquets (e.g., Wilson N6.1 95, Prestige, Volkl, Technifiber, Yonex RDX HD etc.), as well as their experiences with different types of string for those racquets.

Background:
I decided the ProKennex Ki-5 PSE (BDE 16 gut) I've been using is too heavy (13 oz.) for me. I demoed the Wilson N6.1 95 16x18 and 18x20 and was surprised to find I preferred the 18x20 from the start. I briefly demoed the Head Flex Pt Prestige and Volkl DNX-10, & thought the Prestige was a bit stiff, & DNX too low powered. However, I used the DNX a couple days later for drills, and started to REALLY like the racquet. Would I also like the Prestige with softer string?

I'm 45, 4.0, had some tennis elbow problems (1 H BH) & tend to be a consistent, not power player (some might say counter-puncher). My strokes became longer after switching from a Wilson 5.3 Hammer to the Ki-5 PSE a couple years ago.


I suspect most 18x20 frames are low powered. I've got an Nblade 98 which is more flexible than the Wilson N6.1 95 but otherwise pretty similar. I tend to want to power-up low power racquets and power down high powered racquets. With a history of TE I would certainly try a soft synthetic in a 17 or 18 gauge if you want more power. For less power try a 15 or 16 gauge synthetic.
As a counter puncher you may want to keep the power low so a 16 gauge synthetic strung at the higher end of the recommended range is where I would start.

anirut
11-17-2006, 05:47 AM
ClimbK2:

I'm 40 and I play the Redondo. I like 18x20 pattern.

Check this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=102323 for talks and discussions on the Redondo.

BTW, you can also look at the 200 series Dunlop as another nice 18x20.

Cheers!

10SDad
11-17-2006, 06:45 AM
I played Dunlop 300G which I liked a lot, Dunlop MFil 200+ which I ended up cutting down to 27", and now the Liquidmetal Prestige, which is the only one of the three that is 18x20. It took quite a while for me to convince myself to go to 18x20, but now I definitely like that string pattern better. I use 18 ga. Hurricane in the mains and 17 ga. VS gut in the crosses. I've also had good success with Luxilon's ALU/Supersense hybrid. I hit with an average amount of topspin, and have found no measurable change.

lcw
11-17-2006, 07:48 AM
Give the DNX10MP time. You will be happy you did. Many give up on this racquet too soon as I almost did.
It is easy on the arm and when you get use to it you will find plenty of power and spin. String it at low tention and don't worry about loosing control since it has plenty.
lcw

jaykay
11-17-2006, 09:30 AM
Concur with posts # 13 and # 17. You want a softer, flexy, 18x20 frame which provides excellent control? - look no further than the Dunlop HM200G. Positively include this in your demo list, you might like it.

man-walking
11-17-2006, 09:30 AM
My theory...

The way by the 18x20s can give plenty of spin is due to the 'added work' allowed by the 'narrow/concave throat', of course with those models having it (Prestige on 1st).

First I would remark about the shape difference: for ex. look at the throat of the Prestiges vs the Wilsons, the first ones have a narrow internally curved throat the other have a fairly straight braces in their throat (not much curved).

The Prestiges, TF 325s, 200Gs DO FLEX torsionally, but are engineered this way intentionally (the 'wobble' is not just there for fun).
Given the right stroke tecnique, this racquet concept can enable very loopy spin, but at same time with a low and penetrating balistics.

During the brushing movement of a topspin stroke, when the ball sinks into the stringbed, due to the flexy nature of the racquet and the stiff nature of dense stringbed the impact force applied by the ball is distributed and charged along the flexier parts of the shaft, this one flexes both in longitudinal and torsional way (the narrow concave throat enhances this), after loading flex until a certain extent the shaft start to unload its 'charge'. (it starts recovering its natural shape)
During this 'unloading' the hoop gets a torsional snap-back (restores it's orientation) over the ball applying a kind of triggering action over it because the racquet is still going through it, this adds to the snap back of the string and both things manage to over-spin the ball.
The concept applies only to the well executed and 'brushed' follow-through strokes, but that's easily applicable for pro players.

On the other side, the price of having the torsional flex is that pure flat shots and volleys should be performed with much more care, because on the frontal approach any mishit would emphasize the torsional property and thus giving poor directional control.

basil J
11-17-2006, 09:40 AM
Go with an Mfil Redondo 98" or ncode 6.1 18 x 20 or prestige. all excellent sticks.
I am 45 and use the Redondo with no arm or shoulder issues. The ncode was great but too harsh on my shoulder.

ClimbK2
11-17-2006, 10:35 AM
Great feedback everyone. :grin: Thanks. I'll plan to demo a few of these racquets over the coming weeks & should have more questions at that time. I'm off to Pittsburgh for Thankgiving (from SE Michigan).

ChicagoJack
11-17-2006, 03:15 PM
Another vote for Lm Prestige. This frame is far more user freindly than one might think, current happy users will mention a good consistent stringbed response, and a frame that feels as good at the net as it does from the baseline . Folks looking to switch, or dissapointed demoers, will typically mention either too heavy overall, too headlight or difficulty hitting deep, heavy, spinny balls.

-Jack

gregmiata
11-19-2006, 03:02 PM
I am looking for a Nsix-one 18x20, send me an email at gjones@qx.net and let me know condition, grip size, and asking price.

Greg

sureshs
11-19-2006, 03:18 PM
I say get an 18x20 and string it low so you get cupping + a consistent feel.

That is what I do with my 315 - string it a 52 with Lux

stormholloway
11-19-2006, 08:07 PM
Now that just isn't fair. The control is better on 18x20. If you want control then your advice doesn't work.

Spin can create control though, at least in terms of keeping a ball in bounds.

skraggle
11-19-2006, 09:09 PM
If you can handle the swingweight, don't overlook the M-Fil 200...it's the most confidence-inspiring frame I've ever used...I'm working out furiously in order to be able to use it as my main stick again...

JohnMatrix
11-22-2006, 09:29 PM
Now that just isn't fair. The control is better on 18x20. If you want control then your advice doesn't work.

You can still have control on a 16x18 pattern. Dont be a fool in thinking that all 16x18ers have no control

ClimbK2
12-13-2006, 10:18 PM
I hit with the TF335 18x30, along with the Redondo, for about 3 hours tonight. I've also recently played with the N6.1 95 18x20, Mfil200G and DNX10. I liked all of these racquets.

The flexiness of the Redondo and Mfil200 felt wonderful:D , and I liked the Redondo's rubbery PJ. I placed volleys very well with the 200G Unfortunately, neither of these racquets is powerful enough for me. One guy I played with just ate up my slower serve.

TF335 18x20: This felt like a slightly less stiff, less muted N6.1 95. I served incredibly well tonight, with both placement and power. No issues with the grip shape at all.

DNX10: Outstanding control and placement. I liked the balance and weight of this racquet. It took me an hour of playing to get used to it, after which time I felt I could really swing out and keep the ball in play.

N6.1 95 18x20: I loved the weight & balance of this racquet the first time I played with it. The second time (with a different demo racquet) it was just average, perhaps because I was getting a taste of the other racquets on this page.

Flexpoint Prestige MP: Very ltd. play. I felt some minor elbow pain, so I switched to another racquet. Were the earlier versions more flexible?

So the TF335 18x20 and DNX10 are presently at the top of my demo list. I'm thinking I'd string them at the lower-end (at least the DNX) of the tension range with 17 or possibly 18 gauge gut when I purchase one.

Some racquet stats (using USRSA tool on Tennis.com web page) - all 18x20

__________Power__SWt__Wt
TF335_____2042___319__351
FP Prestige 2037___315__338
N6.1 95___ 1981___316__347
DNX10_____1969___314__338
200G95____1790___314__335
Redondo___1723___314__342

vkartikv
12-13-2006, 10:22 PM
I tried:

PK type c mp (not redondo): very high swingweight, more than the 332 indicated on the specs page

LM prestige mp: didn't do anything well, was just an average frame

ncode 18x20: better than the 16x18 but still a monster to swing after an hour or so

dnx 10 mp: currently using it, very happy with it. Flexes at the right areas to give enough slice and give volleys a stiff feeling (if you like that)

Dunlop 200 series: only the rev 200g/mw 200g interested me, good luck finding them.

ClimbK2
12-13-2006, 10:25 PM
What are the DNX10s strung with and at what tension? I assume you haven't tried the TF33518x20.

vkartikv
12-13-2006, 10:27 PM
What are the DNX10s strung with and at what tension? I assume you haven't tried the TF33518x20.

klip venom 16/laserfiber (type not known) 16 @ 56 lbs. I haven't had a chance to try the tf's but the specs look great. Sorry for stealing your format of reviews on my previous post. The redondo just seems too flexy for me, I'd need atleast a little stiffness for directional control..

snoflewis
12-13-2006, 10:27 PM
I tried:

LM prestige mp: didn't do anything well, was just an average frame

ncode 18x20: better than the 16x18 but still a monster to swing after an hour or so


that's how i felt about those rackets. i thought the LM prestige felt hollow and didnt feel like anything special. the redondo feels much more solid and has a cleaner flexy feel

vkartikv
12-13-2006, 10:30 PM
that's how i felt about those rackets. i thought the LM prestige felt hollow and didnt feel like anything special. the redondo feels much more solid and has a cleaner flexy feel

I see your signature! So how have you set your redondos up? I am assuming they are mps, correct? You must be good to play with those, I can't get any control with flexy frames. The throat definitely needs to be stiff for me, the hoops don't really matter...

BTW, I think the recommended tension is 55-68 lbs on the redondo, how do you feel about going more than 58 lbs on a dense pattern frame?

snoflewis
12-13-2006, 10:44 PM
I see your signature! So how have you set your redondos up? I am assuming they are mps, correct? You must be good to play with those, I can't get any control with flexy frames. The throat definitely needs to be stiff for me, the hoops don't really matter...

BTW, I think the recommended tension is 55-68 lbs on the redondo, how do you feel about going more than 58 lbs on a dense pattern frame?

coming from the rdx500 and rds001 mids, the control wasnt too much of an issue. i definitely noticed more pop, but not a lack of control which i found to be surprising. at first, i noticed my balls landing 6-12 inches wide or long, but once i adjusted to it, it was fine.

im actually down to one redondo right now because i sent one in for warranty. im also looking to get one more, but the one i've got is set up w/ babolat leather and wilson stamina 16g at 60. after breaking these strings, im looking to go back and set up all my redondos w/ babolat leather and stamina 16 at 58 lb. i personally never liked wilson stamina, but i really like the feel of them on the redondo...dont know why.

as for stringing above 58, the 60 lb on the redondo felt completely different than the 58...it felt a bit more boardy and not as sweet for me. i've never noticed how much of a difference 2 lbs could make

new2tennis
12-14-2006, 07:01 AM
It could be worth your while to try to flexpoint prestige team. It has an 18x19 pattern but is fairly light and provides good control. As repeatedly mentioned with dense string beds, string it low and its feel is amazing.