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rtung
08-12-2004, 01:57 PM
I just called a pro shop asking if I could demo an 85, and although the woman didn't sound very knowledgable, she said that the ncode replaced it? Is this true?

stevewcosta
08-12-2004, 02:30 PM
Demo from TW. They have a great program. Many pro shops don't carry the 6.0 anymore b/c they like to sell the high priced crap that most people want.

rtung
08-12-2004, 02:33 PM
but they didn't really stop making it, did they?

stevewcosta
08-12-2004, 02:38 PM
Not sure about that. I would still demo and if you really like it, but 3 or 4. Plus, the 6.0 price is better than all of this new $180 garbage that has flooded the market.

BreakPoint
08-12-2004, 02:39 PM
Nobody seems to know for sure. Many Wilson reps have been telling pro shops that they stopped making them but then again they are still available through TW and many other online sites.

TW Staff
08-12-2004, 02:43 PM
We still have Pro Staff 85s available and will continue to bring them in through next year and probably beyond.

Chris, TW.

Tennis Guy
08-12-2004, 04:26 PM
wilsontennis.com (http://www.wilsontennis.com/) still shows it, and they don't show the Tour 90 or the HPS 6.1 anymore.

David Pavlich
08-12-2004, 04:58 PM
The racquet is still available.

You didn't mention anything about your game. The 6.0 85 isn't for everyone. It's a very rewarding racquet for those that have the stroke for it, but it's a difficult racquet to master.

Demo it and other frames of that type and see what you think.

And contrary to what you hear, the new stuff isn't garbage.

FYI, Federer used to play with the 85...he switched to the Tour 90 and now the N-code Tour. There must be a reason...

David

BreakPoint
08-12-2004, 06:03 PM
Hey Chris,

How about the PS 6.0 95? Will TW still continue to bring those in next year and beyond?

BTW, can we assume then that what the Wilson reps have been telling pro shops is wrong and that Wilson is continuing to manufacture the PS 6.0 85 and 95 or is TW getting its inventory from a huge stockpile somewhere (i.e., they're no longer being made and the stockpile is dwindling).

Thanks

BreakPoint
08-12-2004, 06:05 PM
FYI, Federer used to play with the 85...he switched to the Tour 90 and now the N-code Tour. There must be a reason...

Perhaps the reason is that the only thing he has switched is the paint on his racquets? :?

drakulie
08-12-2004, 06:06 PM
Federer still plays with a PS 85. The Ncode he has is a paint job, as was the tour 90.

StringBreaker
08-12-2004, 07:22 PM
Federer still plays with a PS 85. The Ncode he has is a paint job, as was the tour 90.

Can I ask how you know this?

SamBruin
08-12-2004, 10:41 PM
Federer's racket seems like a 90 because it definately looks larger than 85. I think he switched to the Tour 90 and is now using an nCode 90 paint job.

brijoel
08-12-2004, 11:47 PM
The racquet is still available.

And contrary to what you hear, the new stuff isn't garbage.

FYI, Federer used to play with the 85...he switched to the Tour 90 and now the N-code Tour. There must be a reason...

David

you are joking right.......... :roll:


best laugh ive had all day

andreh
08-13-2004, 02:07 AM
I've heard they've stop making the PS 85 from pro shops for the last fifteen years. It's still available...

derekryone
08-14-2004, 08:24 PM
After hitting with a good buddy of mine that also plays with an older frame we pondered many tennis thoughts... One of the topics that came up... How many players frames has wilson introduced to try to discontinue the ps original? I don't think wilson is dumb enough to discontinue this frame (or maybe.... Thats a different thread....)

mach1
08-14-2004, 09:20 PM
Here was a post earlier this year...Notice the grooves where the throat meets the head in the 2 lower pictures like the tour 90 and wher it is flat the whole racquet in the first 2 pictures. the 2 pictures on the top where earlier than the 2 at the bottomi believe. So its NOT a PS 85 that he is using at the moment...unless you want to believe that he has a PS 85 with throat grooves and a different string pattern...then its not a PS 85 at all


here are a couple of "versions" of the infamous HPS 6.0 95 that Federer used. You can see that the first two racquets are different than the second two (the second pair look like Tour 90s)

http://www.mcgfoundation.org/Federer_tour95.jpg
http://www.mcgfoundation.org/Federer3_tour95.jpg
http://www.mcgfoundation.org/fed6.0c.bmp
http://www.mcgfoundation.org/hps2.jpg

mach1
08-14-2004, 09:40 PM
Look at the racquet of the 1st 2 pictures in my previous post which is a PS 85.....Now look at these Ncode Tour or The Tour 90 (same shape).....These tour racquets you can see that the head is just a little bit longer than the PS 85s...Now the whole point to the posts is just that he i really dont think he uses a PS 85

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51139818.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2 399169AC85D6DE7F9CD95D11365232E9F0D322B303BF24621B 2AC3A62513D3
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/2901342.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E23 99169AC85D6DEB446D57BCC5920D7F0F4F0C1821E04B0

SamBruin
08-14-2004, 11:17 PM
Nice observation there mach1.. I kinda knew he wasn't using the ProStaff Original because the racket head size was too large to be an 85.
BTW, those are some nice pics.. you can also see that the string pattern is 16x19 like on the Tour90 not 16x18 on the Original.

BreakPoint
08-16-2004, 03:00 PM
Federer is using a PS Original 6.0 90. End of story.

StringBreaker
08-16-2004, 04:08 PM
Federer is using a PS Original 6.0 90. End of story.

So when did Wilson make those then?

BreakPoint
08-16-2004, 07:24 PM
Federer is using a PS Original 6.0 90. End of story.

So when did Wilson make those then?

When Federer told Wilson that's what he wanted. When you're #1 in the world, you get what you want. When you and I become #1 in the world, we can get what we want, too, even if it's a PS 6.0 90. In the meantime, we'll have to settle for a Tour 90 or a nSix-One Tour. :(

StringBreaker
08-17-2004, 01:40 AM
So are you saying Wilson takes the molds of a Tour 90 or an Ncode 90, and uses them to make maybe 20 odd per year custom rackets for 1 player using a 20 year old racket material instead of what they currently fill the molds with. So what are the specs on this mystic PS90 of yours? Weight, balance, stiffness? Utter BULL. If you honestly think that you must be deluded. And if you want to get a technical, if Wilson were to do this for Fed, it wouldnt be a PS Original 90, because the racket doesnt exist. It would just be a custom made for 1 player, it wouldnt have a product name.

Why cant people accept that maybe the guy just stopped using the PS Original. Why do players have to use the same racket forever. Agassi has changed racket umpteen times since he started playing. Look at those paint job pics from above. Early shots are clearly a PS 85 with paint job, and then later on he starts using a tour 90/ncode 90. Why is that so impossible to believe?

My stringer is currently in Athens stringing for Fed, do you want me to get him to hacksaw through one of his rackets and do the same for a retail ncode 90 and then take electron microscopy images of the cross sections? Sounds like that will be the only way you could believe the incredulous conspiracy theory of a "tennis player changing racket".

"Tennis Player Changes Racket" - sounds like something only the National Enquirer could come up with, doesnt it? :roll:

BreakPoint
08-17-2004, 02:21 AM
Yes, that is what I'm saying. And it's not just Federer. Many other pros use customized racquets made exclusively for them by their manufacturers, including Mardy Fish, James Blake, Taylor Dent, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Tommy Haas, Justine Henin, Tim Henman, the list goes on and on. You didn't really think Mardy Fish uses a real Dunlop 300G did you?

Oh, and Andre Agassi? He doesn't use anything remotely resembling a real Head LM Radical. His racquet's head size is in between a Radical's MP and OS and the weight and balance are completely different and uses a custom handle. How do I know this? I talked extensively with his personal stringer earlier this year.

BTW, it wouldn't be very hard for Wilson to make a PS 6.0 90 at all. Just use the same Tour 90/nSix-One Tour mold and leave out the HyperCarbon. Adjust the weight and balance to meet Federer's needs and you've got it.

StringBreaker
08-17-2004, 03:25 AM
Yes, that is what I'm saying.
Well what exactly are you saying? You cant say Fed uses a custom racket built exclusively for him (lets call it the Wilson Pro Staff Federer 90) but then say he is using a PS Original 90.

You didn't really think Mardy Fish uses a real Dunlop 300G did you?
Well to be honest I hadnt given it any thought and don't really care! :lol:

BTW, it wouldn't be very hard for Wilson to make a PS 6.0 90 at all. Just use the same Tour 90/nSix-One Tour mold and leave out the HyperCarbon. Adjust the weight and balance to meet Federer's needs and you've got it.
How many times does this have to be stated: THIS WOULDNT BE A PS 6.0 90 WOULD IT?!!!!!

touchytennis
08-17-2004, 06:36 AM
P.S 6.0 90 is just a name for comparison to the closest frame to it, the P.S 6.0 85. Its not a real marketed racket, but its what some believe federer uses.. a P.S 6.0 85, but with a 90 sq inch headsize.

also the prostaff 6.0 85 mold would be very similiar to a tour 90 mold, because the tour 90 mold is based on it.

stevewcosta
08-17-2004, 07:11 AM
Exactly touchtennis. Also, we'll all see how great this ncode 90 is when it's replaced in 12 - 15 months. Don't get me wrong, I hope it lasts, but if history is any indicator...

dander
08-17-2004, 10:28 AM
I've heard they've stop making the PS 85 from pro shops for the last fifteen years. It's still available...

they stopped making it in 1981, actually, all ps 6.0 85's sold now are paintjobs of other rackets. all of the numbnuts who "think"they play better with 20 year old technology - guess what, it's new painted to look old.

i heard that in the last few years of samps' career, wilson actually ran out of st vincents. all wilson had were hyperhammer 6.2 oversizes painted to look like the chinese 6.0, so they hired the original st vincents factory workers to scrape the "6.0" paint from the frame (because, remember, the original st vincents had no si). luckily, samps couldn't tell the difference.

there was an exclusive interview with one of the st vincent locals who was the third cousin of someone who actually worked in the factory in an old RSI that I read in the can at some exxon on the highway in maryland. i would have saved it but, well, they were short on TP

touchytennis
08-17-2004, 10:54 AM
LOL

BreakPoint
08-17-2004, 10:58 AM
It is referred to as a "PS Original 6.0 90" because it uses the same "original" materials (80% braided graphite and 20% kevlar), composition, layup, technology, molding process, and beam width as the PS Original 6.0 85 and DOES NOT include any HyperCarbon nor nCoded graphite just as the PS Original 6.0 85 does not include these. If you add in these other elements then you can no longer call it "Original".

A PS 6.0 90 is basically a Tour 90/nSix-One Tour WITHOUT the HyperCarbon and nCoded graphite and balanced closer to a PS 6.0 85. They use the same mold, have the same beam width, and the same 16x19 string pattern.

BTW, Federer is DEFINITELY NOT using a PS 6.0 85 right now. Just take a close look at the picture on Page 58 of the September issue of Tennis magazine. The picture shows his racquet very clearly. The head is 90 sq. in., NOT 85 sq. in., and the string pattern is clearly 16x19, NOT 16x18.

christo
01-28-2005, 09:26 PM
If Wilson was as smart as I think they are, why not produce a Federer PS 6.0 90 special edition which is close to what he really uses. They could market it to top end club players with deep pockets and everyone would stop crying. You'd still have to be Federer to play to the racket's true potential but it would give people something to spend big bucks on and give Wilson a huge marketing advantage over their rivals

pchoi04
01-28-2005, 09:50 PM
For a little bit TW got a hold of some PS 6.0 with tour 90 paint job from the pro stock at Wilson... I would of gotten one but I'm to poor... <sigh>