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Japan Tennis
11-22-2006, 04:45 AM
What is a good serve and volley racquet that is not hopeless at the baseline. I play an all court game and serve and volley as much as stay at the baseline but I don't like approching, I would either choose at a beginning of a point to stay at the baseline or serve and volley/chip and volley. I was considering a 28in frame but that is terrible for volleying right. Anyone had good experiences with volleying with and extended length frame (anything above 27 inches is extended length)

Redflea
11-22-2006, 07:28 AM
My younger son uses a LM Fire and does S&V about 30% of the time or more...does great w/that racquet from the baseline and net.

Why do you want and extended lenght racquet for S&V?

What racquet do you use now, and what are you trying to change that you don't like about it?

superstition
11-22-2006, 10:59 AM
Dunlop McEnroe with 17 gauge VS team gut.

Amone
11-22-2006, 11:59 AM
I played doubles a few times with a H Rival 96. 27.5 inches, only, not 28. It's not my frame, but I played with it once or twice and thought it hit like a dream, so come time for a chance to use it for a few matches, I jumped on it. My doubles team was instructed to serve-and-volley on every point we could, and I was much more successful with it as compared to my (then) Diablo Tour Mid.

Kevo
11-22-2006, 02:14 PM
My best serve and volley was with the RDX 500 mid. However, I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on a particular frame being important for serve and volley. There are lots of frames out there that will work very well for serve and volley. The important thing is that you are comfortable with the way the frame handles. It's got to feel right to you. The choice of string and tension are almost as important as the frame in this case.

ChicagoJack
11-22-2006, 09:17 PM
Andy Roddick and Laender Paes both play with the same frame, a Babolat PD. Roddick volleys at the 4.5 level at best and Leander is a former world number one doubles player. Perhaps the idea of the best frame for a specific task is a little awkward to say the least. But it's an idea I do ponder, and would be glad to share my experience if it would be of aid.

I only play doubles, and my weapon of choice is a modified LM Fire. It's quite different from my previous frames, much stiffer, heavier (with my customization) and longer than just about anything I've ever used. I used to prefer the flexy, buttery feel of the 12 oz and very head light Volkl T10GenII and LM Prestige, but I've converted to the other end of spectrum entirely. It's been a real eye opener.

What I am discovering with my customised LM Fire is increased stability on off center volleys. Ever feel like your form was correct, but the volley misses the sweet spot just a little, and then you feel that waffle sensastion, then the ball just clips the net? That is frame twisting and torque robbing you of both power and control. Due to the beam taper and anti torsion bar, this frame is very twist resistant and stable even in stock form at 10.5 oz strung.

I've added 4g at 3 and 4g at 9 at the outside edges of the frame, not the inside, then two layers of double wide black electric tape around the entire bumper guard, sort of prestige caps grommet style. I prefer very head light frames, and ended up putting a big wad of lead in the buttcap, but 10.5 oz and even balance is a good platform for just about anything you want to do though.

This set up feels like a magic wand to me. I'm done with the demo trail. I've found it. My flat serve is more consistent, found my groove with my kick serve in a matter of days, not the usuall couple weeks it takes me with a new frame. My volleys have more "stick" and less "carve" but I can still carve a sharp angle if I need too. I set out trying to create the ultimate doubles tool for myself, and I have done that. With a comfy string at high tension, I'm finding a very nice groove from the baseline as well. I'm getting more power, and more control, tennis is suddenly easier.

PS - The LM fire is 27.3 stock, but you can modify it easily up to 27.75" if desired. Just be clear that adding even small amounts of length to a frame alters both SW and balance significantly.

-Jack

saqdeez
11-22-2006, 09:21 PM
Prestige is considered to be a very good serving frame, and very good volleying frame

...yet no one considers it a serve and volley racket. weird

tennisguy2121
11-22-2006, 09:23 PM
there is no such thing as a good serve and volley raquet, im sorry but it does not exist. For sampras, it was the pro staff 85, thats what was good for him, you and I trying to serve and volley with that probably wouldnt work out very well. a 80 year old woman might serve and volley well with an n1force, does that mean its a good serve and volley racquet?? no, of course not.

Duzza
11-22-2006, 09:27 PM
Prestige is considered to be a very good serving frame, and very good volleying frame

...yet no one considers it a serve and volley racket. weird

Yeah, I'm not sure...The Prestige Classic was great for serving and ok for volleying for me. Bit too much power maybe?

saqdeez
11-22-2006, 09:31 PM
tennisguy, then what is the point of discussion?

I will tell you the NBLADE is NOT a serve and volley racket because it is horrendous at the net. That piece of information is true and hopefully the poster will cross that off of his list now that we shared that.

HewittX
11-22-2006, 11:37 PM
The ProKennex Heritage Type C Redondo Mid is a nice racquet for the serve and volley game.

anirut
11-23-2006, 12:34 AM
The ProKennex Heritage Type C Redondo Mid is a nice racquet for the serve and volley game.

And it's also good at the baseline. It's a very versatile racket.

tennisguy2121
11-23-2006, 06:46 AM
I know a pro who is about a 5.0 or 5.5 who uses the NBlade, and serve and volleys at times, but I will go ahead and tell him the his racquet isnt good at the net.........oh and there is no point to this discussion...pointless. im sorry but it is lol.

007
11-23-2006, 07:06 AM
SLAZ X1 and Yonex RD Ti80......natural S & V sticks

saqdeez
11-23-2006, 11:09 AM
tennisguy, then don't participate in the discussion

tennisguy2121
11-23-2006, 04:54 PM
just trying to point ya in the right direction, save ya some time instead of you going on a wild goose chase.....serve and volley racquet. lol

julianoz
11-23-2006, 05:16 PM
^ You aren't contributing anything, go away.

tennisguy2121
11-23-2006, 08:14 PM
p.s. there is nothing to contribute to... but anwho, happy thanksgiving.

Redflea
11-23-2006, 08:40 PM
The OP has disappeared...maybe the whole thread is pointless? ;)

louis netman
11-23-2006, 09:00 PM
Just do a search with terms: "serve" and "volley."
You'll get less ridicule around here......
Frames that excel: Slaz X1, PR660, PRTI, PS 6.0 & 6.1, Volkl C10 Pro and many others...

Thor
11-24-2006, 01:02 AM
Andy Roddick and Laender Paes both play with the same frame, a Babolat PD. Roddick volleys at the 4.5 level at best and Leander is a former world number one doubles player. -Jack

you have got to be kidding!!!
4.5?r u mad??
although he is not the best volleyer on tour,he volleys way better.
do remember that he volleys against some of the best players in the world who have amazing passing shots.yea,sometimes he comes in on crapy approach shots,but he is very solid at the net.

Thunderace
11-24-2006, 02:20 AM
The OP has disappeared...maybe the whole thread is pointless? ;)
He has done harakiri. 8)

haerdalis
11-24-2006, 04:57 AM
Does Leander Paes actually play with the longer babolat? The PDR standard length is quite ok at the net but the PDR+ is below average IMO. To my knowledge most pro doubles players play with quite heavy racquets and I doubt many of them use extended length racquets. Serve and Volley is not about power really, more about stability.
I would say that the n6.1 95 is a good serve and volley frame.

chair ump
11-24-2006, 07:21 AM
That makes me wonder...Besides Henman, what players known for an attacking/net rushing game, play with an extended length racquet?

hoosierbr
11-24-2006, 10:51 AM
That makes me wonder...Besides Henman, what players known for an attacking/net rushing game, play with an extended length racquet?

Wayne Arthurs - Babolat PD+

th____44
12-17-2006, 06:23 AM
what about n6.1 95????

TalkingTennis91
12-17-2006, 07:57 AM
Andy Roddick and Laender Paes both play with the same frame, a Babolat PD. Roddick volleys at the 4.5 level at best and Leander is a former world number one doubles player. Perhaps the idea of the best frame for a specific task is a little awkward to say the least. But it's an idea I do ponder, and would be glad to share my experience if it would be of aid.

I only play doubles, and my weapon of choice is a modified LM Fire. It's quite different from my previous frames, much stiffer, heavier (with my customization) and longer than just about anything I've ever used. I used to prefer the flexy, buttery feel of the 12 oz and very head light Volkl T10GenII and LM Prestige, but I've converted to the other end of spectrum entirely. It's been a real eye opener.

What I am discovering with my customised LM Fire is increased stability on off center volleys. Ever feel like your form was correct, but the volley misses the sweet spot just a little, and then you feel that waffle sensastion, then the ball just clips the net? That is frame twisting and torque robbing you of both power and control. Due to the beam taper and anti torsion bar, this frame is very twist resistant and stable even in stock form at 10.5 oz strung.

I've added 4g at 3 and 4g at 9 at the outside edges of the frame, not the inside, then two layers of double wide black electric tape around the entire bumper guard, sort of prestige caps grommet style. I prefer very head light frames, and ended up putting a big wad of lead in the buttcap, but 10.5 oz and even balance is a good platform for just about anything you want to do though.

This set up feels like a magic wand to me. I'm done with the demo trail. I've found it. My flat serve is more consistent, found my groove with my kick serve in a matter of days, not the usuall couple weeks it takes me with a new frame. My volleys have more "stick" and less "carve" but I can still carve a sharp angle if I need too. I set out trying to create the ultimate doubles tool for myself, and I have done that. With a comfy string at high tension, I'm finding a very nice groove from the baseline as well. I'm getting more power, and more control, tennis is suddenly easier.

PS - The LM fire is 27.3 stock, but you can modify it easily up to 27.75" if desired. Just be clear that adding even small amounts of length to a frame alters both SW and balance significantly.

-Jack

Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but Roddick uses the Pure Drive Roddick Plus, and Paes uses the Babolat Pure Drive Team Standard. Since the concensus here seems to be that 27 inch frames are the best for net play, I think that this is somewhat appropriate because of the fact that Roddick is mostly a baseliner, with a somewhat improving net game, while Paes does a lot of not play, obviously, as a doubles player.

kenshireen
12-17-2006, 08:10 AM
my friends... it's technique that matters the most..I've seen a pro play with a kids racket (23 inch walmart special) and play a great net game.. Weight transfer, split step, timing, eye on ball. As far as the best racket.. to each their own choice

ken

louis netman
12-17-2006, 09:52 AM
my friends... it's technique that matters the most..I've seen a pro play with a kids racket (23 inch walmart special) and play a great net game.. Weight transfer, split step, timing, eye on ball. As far as the best racket.. to each their own choice

ken

Very true. However, some frames really do preform better at the net (and on the way to net) than others, all things being equal.