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vkartikv
11-29-2006, 08:44 PM
You changed from the tour 10 gen II to the dnx 9. I may have missed this but why the change? I am trying the dnx 9 now and it feels very firm and stiff (like i like it) which is in sharp contrast to the gen IIs. Your thoughts?

louis netman
11-29-2006, 09:36 PM
You changed from the tour 10 gen II to the dnx 9. I may have missed this but why the change? I am trying the dnx 9 now and it feels very firm and stiff (like i like it) which is in sharp contrast to the gen IIs. Your thoughts?

Hey Kartik! NBMJ is a T10MP Gen I guy who played the DNX 9 for a brief stint....now back to the T10....

ericsson
11-30-2006, 01:32 AM
You changed from the tour 10 gen II to the dnx 9. I may have missed this but why the change? I am trying the dnx 9 now and it feels very firm and stiff (like i like it) which is in sharp contrast to the gen IIs. Your thoughts?

yes indeed it was tour gen I mp and that one is a little stiffer then the gen II but the main reason why he changed was the handling, he couldnt handle the weight no more, but as you can see now he changed again, so you see that you cant compare the dnx 9 to the tour 10 gen I :) so much more control...isent it NBMJ ;-)

NoBadMojo
11-30-2006, 11:01 AM
I hit the Gen1 for about 3 years and switched to the DNX9 for a few months which is really nice, and have gone back to the Gen1 for the last month or so because I have no nagging injuries anymore and am able to play a lot and the weather isnt beating me up, so i can swing them fast enough for long enough....it's real hard to leave a most excellent old lover, especially when she has done you no wrong ;O
I'll see what next summers' heat might bring and reevaluate then.

ericsson
11-30-2006, 11:29 AM
it's real hard to leave a most excellent old lover, especially when she has done you no wrong.


nice said! :grin: :p

maverick1
11-30-2006, 11:56 AM
I hit the Gen1 for about 3 years and switched to the DNX9 for a few months which is really nice, and have gone back to the Gen1 for the last month or so because I have no nagging injuries anymore and am able to play a lot and the weather isnt beating me up, so i can swing them fast enough for long enough....it's real hard to leave a most excellent old lover, especially when she has done you no wrong ;O
I'll see what next summers' heat might bring and reevaluate then.

I have nagging arm issues too, and I would like to use an arm friendly racket for a while if it helps to make my arm better. However, I would rather not buy a new racket unless it is really much better than the ones I have.
The most arm friendly rackets I have are POG OS and the Prince NXG mid.
Do you think one of these will help?
Are there other rackets that are much better for the arm?

Funny thing is my TE acts up more in the winter than in the summer.

NoBadMojo
11-30-2006, 12:06 PM
I have nagging arm issues too, and I would like to use an arm friendly racket for a while if it helps to make my arm better. However, I would rather not buy a new racket unless it is really much better than the ones I have.
The most arm friendly rackets I have are POG OS and the Prince NXG mid.
Do you think one of these will help?
Are there other rackets that are much better for the arm?

Funny thing is my TE acts up more in the winter than in the summer.

i've never had arm or shoulder or elbow issues other than the most temporary and minour. what i did have was chronic achilles tendonitis/tendonosis in both for about 7 or 8 years.

what racquets do you have other than these? the key to the right frame, especially with an injury transcends flexibility. i racquet with a sweetspot too small is just as bad as a very stiff racquet, and a racquet too heavy is as bad as one too light <in many cases>. do you know what headize you can handle (without anything more than a very occassional misshit) and do you know your optimum swingweight range?

vkartikv
11-30-2006, 12:10 PM
i've never had arm or shoulder or elbow issues other than the most temporary and minour. what i did have was chronic achilles tendonitis/tendonosis in both for about 7 or 8 years.

what racquets do you have other than these? the key to the right frame, especially with an injury transcends flexibility. i racquet with a sweetspot too small is just as bad as a very stiff racquet, and a racquet too heavy is as bad as one too light <in many cases>. do you know what headize you can handle (without anything more than a very occassional misshit) and do you know your optimum swingweight range?

Where did you find the gen I?!!! I looked for them a while back but couldn't find them in my grip size and ditched them. The dnx 9 is great with leather, very precise and easy to swing. Won't be going back to my pc 600s or ps 85s anytime soon...

NoBadMojo
11-30-2006, 12:30 PM
Where did you find the gen I?!!! I looked for them a while back but couldn't find them in my grip size and ditched them. The dnx 9 is great with leather, very precise and easy to swing. Won't be going back to my pc 600s or ps 85s anytime soon...

louis netman is like Noah;s Ark..he has two of everything ;) seriously, i never sold all of my Gen1's....i have 5 of them, and that will keep me going. they are getting very hard to find, but they are around. people seem to hang on to them. I like the dnx9 too and also played mine with leather, but stock otherwise..it does everything well. maybe i am in an unusual situation, but i play 9 times out of 10 on the dirt...my gear needs may be different than many. if i was playing more hardcourt, i would have stuck w. the dnx9 because it is quicker in the air and is good at everything.

maverick1
11-30-2006, 01:14 PM
what racquets do you have other than these?

I have quite an eclectic collection:
PS85s, nCode Tour 90, Babloat PDR(current racket), Head Ti.S6 & S5 in addition to the POG OS and NXG mid.


the key to the right frame, especially with an injury transcends flexibility. i racquet with a sweetspot too small is just as bad as a very stiff racquet, and a racquet too heavy is as bad as one too light <in many cases>. do you know what headize you can handle (without anything more than a very occassional misshit) and do you know your optimum swingweight range?

Honestly, I don't know. I have been playing for 17 months, majority of that with PS85. Managed to get bumped up to 3.5 playing with this racket, so it couldn't have been hurting my game. I have tried all the rackets above and a couple of others. I have experimented with a fair amount of lead on the racket well. I still can't say what works best for me, even in most general terms like headsize and weight. Every change seems to bring advantages as well as disadvantages, and I can never decide which outweighs which. If I had to pick something, I would say the ideal for me is a 100 sq inch headsize and a swingweight of 350.

I think I understand your point about too small a head size. I think I originally developed TE because of swinging too wildly and mishitting a lot when I was new to the game, especially when serving. The mishitting is when the arm feels it the most.

I can use lead as needed. Let me know what I should do.

NoBadMojo
11-30-2006, 02:10 PM
I have quite an eclectic collection:
PS85s, nCode Tour 90, Babloat PDR(current racket), Head Ti.S6 & S5 in addition to the POG OS and NXG mid.



Honestly, I don't know. I have been playing for 17 months, majority of that with PS85. Managed to get bumped up to 3.5 playing with this racket, so it couldn't have been hurting my game. I have tried all the rackets above and a couple of others. I have experimented with a fair amount of lead on the racket well. I still can't say what works best for me, even in most general terms like headsize and weight. Every change seems to bring advantages as well as disadvantages, and I can never decide which outweighs which. If I had to pick something, I would say the ideal for me is a 100 sq inch headsize and a swingweight of 350.

I think I understand your point about too small a head size. I think I originally developed TE because of swinging too wildly and mishitting a lot when I was new to the game, especially when serving. The mishitting is when the arm feels it the most.

I can use lead as needed. Let me know what I should do.


zowie! that is a eclectic mix of frames. i dont know your age, but changing between frames a lot can also cause injuries, as each one of those frames would each likely cause you to use your muscles and tendons in slightly different ways.

it's hard to advise about something like this. if you can swing a lesson with a good teaching pro who understands gear, you should be able to gleen a lot of good info in one session along with him/her looking at your stroke mechanics, to see if anything in particular is causing your arm problems..could be the best money you've ever spent, and a lot less than all those racquets you dont use ;)

350 is a boatload of swingweight. as a 3.5, do you feel you have the technique to swing that much lumber? can you hit with spin? your problem could have come from swinging too much weight, not enough. sounds like you've been listening to the tw posters who tell you how these old frames are better, how heavy frames are more stable, how they will give you more technique, how you will hit a heavy ball, etc..

just as a guess, the POG (if the OS version) seems like your best bet of the lot, if you can swing it fast enough and make enough power. ihavent hit many of those frames tho

maverick1
11-30-2006, 04:02 PM
NBMJ,
Thanks for the input.
BTW, I am 44.


it's hard to advise about something like this. if you can swing a lesson with a good teaching pro who understands gear, you should be able to gleen a lot of good info in one session along with him/her looking at your stroke mechanics, to see if anything in particular is causing your arm problems..could be the best money you've ever spent, and a lot less than all those racquets you dont use ;)

Coincidentally, I am about to get my first proper lesson this Tuesday with a pro who seems to have a good reputation and know what he is talking about. I will ask his advice.


350 is a boatload of swingweight. as a 3.5, do you feel you have the technique to swing that much lumber? can you hit with spin?

I have been doing OK, and hitting with topspin. I like to think that I am more athletic and have better hand eye co-ordination than typical 3.5s because I had played other racket/bat sports for along time, and what I am lacking is just Tennis experience. Al my friends are impressed with my rapid improvement.

But let us see if the pro thinks my technique is good enough to be playing with heavy rackets.


your problem could have come from swinging too much weight, not enough.

I have thought that too, and I haad removed all lead during the summer, but gradually upped it again because it was fun to get all that power and it didn't seem to cause any new pain. I think I just did something bad, one off, to my elbow last fall, and it never fully healed.


sounds like you've been listening to the tw posters who tell you how these old frames are better, how heavy frames are more stable, how they will give you more technique, how you will hit a heavy ball, etc..

Probably guilty of all that :)

just as a guess, the POG (if the OS version) seems like your best bet of the lot, if you can swing it fast enough and make enough power. i havent hit many of those frames tho
I am going to go with this unless the pro tells me something convincing. I don't particularly care if I play well or not. I want go through the winter without new damage, hopefully even making my arm better.

Django
11-30-2006, 04:07 PM
I switched from the Tour 10 Gen II directly to DNX 9 and could not be happier. As I've noted in previous posts, while both have very similar swingweights, the DNX 9 has a bit more pop and I tend to swing much faster and more aggressively. The Gen II is super comfortable, but I played a bit "sluggishly" with it, perhaps because of the heavier static weight.

That's the overwhelming lesson I've learned from this switch:If you're going to move to a new racquet, be prepared to alter your game to take advantage of the new stick's strengths. If not, what's the point?

bcsax123
11-30-2006, 05:08 PM
Funny thing is my TE acts up more in the winter than in the summer.

In the winter you need a longer warmup/stretch time, or your arm will become sore causing tennis elbow.

Also the cold weather contracts the strings/balls meaning less power. You probably are swinging too hard because of this. In the Winter I usually string 3 lbs below my normal tension.

maverick1
11-30-2006, 05:24 PM
In the winter you need a longer warmup/stretch time, or your arm will become sore causing tennis elbow.

Also the cold weather contracts the strings/balls meaning less power. You probably are swinging too hard because of this. In the Winter I usually string 3 lbs below my normal tension.

I see. That makes sense.

NoBadMojo
11-30-2006, 05:56 PM
NBMJ,
Thanks for the input.
BTW, I am 44.


Coincidentally, I am about to get my first proper lesson this Tuesday with a pro who seems to have a good reputation and know what he is talking about. I will ask his advice.


I have been doing OK, and hitting with topspin. I like to think that I am more athletic and have better hand eye co-ordination than typical 3.5s because I had played other racket/bat sports for along time, and what I am lacking is just Tennis experience. Al my friends are impressed with my rapid improvement.

But let us see if the pro thinks my technique is good enough to be playing with heavy rackets.


I have thought that too, and I haad removed all lead during the summer, but gradually upped it again because it was fun to get all that power and it didn't seem to cause any new pain. I think I just did something bad, one off, to my elbow last fall, and it never fully healed.


Probably guilty of all that :)

I am going to go with this unless the pro tells me something convincing. I don't particularly care if I play well or not. I want go through the winter without new damage, hopefully even making my arm better.

good deal maverick..sounds like you are doing all the right things now..let us know how things go with your lesson if you like. i always think people should buy something reasonable and then learn how to use it...when you get up into the 4.5's and such, that is a good time to start tweaking your gear ..until then people have bigger fish to fry. key is to pick something good and well matched to your skillset and stick with it. you're like me...a spillover from other ball sports..you'll do well once you quit flippin' around with your gear!! ;O

fuzz nation
11-30-2006, 09:15 PM
I think that according to racquettech.com, the POG is outstanding in terms of characteristics which protect against tennis elbow.

bcsax123
11-30-2006, 09:25 PM
I think that according to racquettech.com, the POG is outstanding in terms of characteristics which protect against tennis elbow.

POG OS is a very comfortable frame to play with. It's very solid, and theres very little shock to the arm. If you have a short swing, it can cause elbow problems because it's so heavy.

TennisMD
12-02-2006, 10:58 AM
I hit the Gen1 for about 3 years and switched to the DNX9 for a few months which is really nice, and have gone back to the Gen1 for the last month or so because I have no nagging injuries anymore and am able to play a lot and the weather isnt beating me up, so i can swing them fast enough for long enough....it's real hard to leave a most excellent old lover, especially when she has done you no wrong ;O
I'll see what next summers' heat might bring and reevaluate then.

I can understand your rationale for the above captioned statement. However curious on your thoughts about the genII : is your preference for the gen 1 mainly based on the extra pace achieved over the II or is it other factors such as stiffness in the hoop. I am currently hitting with the gen II and after a long hitting session with a colleague he noticed little difference in the pace achieved off of either rkt, both he thought were hard heavy stuck balls. However because he gets every thing back,is a classic baseline counterpuncher, I believe he poorly estimtes the pace of balls hit to him as I believe the gen 1 hits more pace . So just curious on your thoughts re the choice of the gen 1 over the II

NoBadMojo
12-02-2006, 11:25 AM
I can understand your rationale for the above captioned statement. However curious on your thoughts about the genII : is your preference for the gen 1 mainly based on the extra pace achieved over the II or is it other factors such as stiffness in the hoop. I am currently hitting with the gen II and after a long hitting session with a colleague he noticed little difference in the pace achieved off of either rkt, both he thought were hard heavy stuck balls. However because he gets every thing back,is a classic baseline counterpuncher, I believe he poorly estimtes the pace of balls hit to him as I believe the gen 1 hits more pace . So just curious on your thoughts re the choice of the gen 1 over the II

for me, it is the fact that the Gen1 is much more imposing than the Gen2 <for me> on the dirt. the feel of these two frames is diferent, but both are enjoyable for me, and very comfortable. I think playing on the dirt reveals stuff like that because it is much harder to hit balls which pierce the court on the dirt, and my game is about ending points as soon as i can and to not hang in the backcourt trying to bang it out with players who are better at that and have more endurance than I. If I was playing hard court ball, I would be happy playing the Gen2 as that one is quicker in the air.
the Gen1 is one of the very few very thin beamed flexible frames with a huge sweetspot that gives you lots of the juice, and that's why i keep playing it.
Gen2=less powerful than Gen1. fiberglass/graphite vs titanium/graphite.

TennisMD
12-02-2006, 12:08 PM
for me, it is the fact that the Gen1 is much more imposing than the Gen2 <for me> on the dirt. the feel of these two frames is diferent, but both are enjoyable for me, and very comfortable. I think playing on the dirt reveals stuff like that because it is much harder to hit balls which pierce the court on the dirt, and my game is about ending points as soon as i can and to not hang in the backcourt trying to bang it out with players who are better at that and have more endurance than I. If I was playing hard court ball, I would be happy playing the Gen2 as that one is quicker in the air.
the Gen1 is one of the very few very thin beamed flexible frames with a huge sweetspot that gives you lots of the juice, and that's why i keep playing it.
Gen2=less powerful than Gen1. fiberglass/graphite vs titanium/graphite.

Thanks for the feed back. It will be an interesting experiment, quickness of the rkt vs harder struck ball. I am up north and play indoors 3/4 year and even outdoors in the summer a mix of hard tru vs hard court.

NoBadMojo
12-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Thanks for the feed back. It will be an interesting experiment, quickness of the rkt vs harder struck ball. I am up north and play indoors 3/4 year and even outdoors in the summer a mix of hard tru vs hard court.

sure..enjoy the winter and your racquet quest. every frame has a disadvantage or two, and the very same thing which makes a frame an advantage at some one thing most often can make it a disadvantage at something else.
poor me..i am stuck playing outside 12months a year ;O

federer_nadal
12-03-2006, 05:00 AM
NBMJ I am looking at buying a Volkl DNX 9 but i do not know if i will be able to demo it. I am looking for a frame to switch to from my POG mid, with about the same spin potential, but more power and lighter. Does the DNX 9 seem to fit this description? I am very interested in volkl racquets and if you know any others that fit that description and suit my baseline game (heavy top forehand, 2h backhand, big serve.) could you please tell me?
Thankyou very much

P.S. ( sorry to derail the thread )

Sorry to only target the question towards NBMJ, i know there is alot of other Volkl/Racquet gurus out there that can help me, thanks

NoBadMojo
12-03-2006, 06:51 AM
NBMJ I am looking at buying a Volkl DNX 9 but i do not know if i will be able to demo it. I am looking for a frame to switch to from my POG mid, with about the same spin potential, but more power and lighter. Does the DNX 9 seem to fit this description? I am very interested in volkl racquets and if you know any others that fit that description and suit my baseline game (heavy top forehand, 2h backhand, big serve.) could you please tell me?
Thankyou very much

P.S. ( sorry to derail the thread )

Sorry to only target the question towards NBMJ, i know there is alot of other Volkl/Racquet gurus out there that can help me, thanks

sounds like it would fit your needs, but of course it's always best to demo

bluegrasser
12-03-2006, 08:14 AM
sounds like it would fit your needs, but of course it's always best to demo


Ditto - after hitting with one, I'd agree with NBM, just under 12 oz, with a little more pop.