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Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 11:38 AM
Just out of curiousity, which racket do you guys think has inherently the least amount of power, assuming the same string is in every racket. Also, I want a racket is currently being produced. My guess would be Dunlop m-fil 200 or PK Redondo Mid. What are your opinions?

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 11:48 AM
I have ordered the wilson nfury 100 sq in which supposedly is extremely low powered. I havent recieved it yet as it was out of stock but it will be interesting to hit with it once I get it.

Ripper
11-30-2006, 11:50 AM
My guess would be the POG 93.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 11:54 AM
That's sort of a modern racket, Ripper, but I mean one released in the last few years.

Ripper
11-30-2006, 12:06 PM
That's sort of a modern racket, Ripper, but I mean one released in the last few years.

The POG 93 (and the 107), eventhough released 20 years ago, is still produced.

Edit: So, it's current.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:14 PM
The POG 93 (and the 107), eventhough released 20 years ago, is still produced.

Edit: So, it's current.

OK. I stand corrected.

vkartikv
11-30-2006, 12:18 PM
My guess would be the POG 93.

Actually it's quite high in terms of power considering all the spinny power you can generate with it. Id say the ps 85 is the lowest.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:22 PM
How bout rackets that were released FOR THE FIRST TIME in the last few years.

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 12:24 PM
Like I said, nfury.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:32 PM
Ummm, I doubt the nfury. On the TW page it says power: low-medium. There are plenty of rackets that say just low.

Ripper
11-30-2006, 12:37 PM
Actually it's quite high in terms of power considering all the spinny power you can generate with it. Id say the ps 85 is the lowest.

I think it's super spin comes from being able to swing fast with confidence... because of it's low power.

Ripper
11-30-2006, 12:38 PM
How bout rackets that were released FOR THE FIRST TIME in the last few years.

Ok, how about the RDX500 Mid?

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:42 PM
Have you played with it? Or are you just basing it on specs?

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 12:43 PM
According to the USRSA the POG has a powerindex of 2038, the Yonex RDX 500 mid has 1741, the mfil 200 has 1766, redondo mid has 1643 and the nfury has 1426.
As I said I havent tried the racquet yet but I am looking forward to doing so.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:51 PM
Wow, haerdalis, you seem to be right. I think the power-ratings on TW are just what the playtesters thought or something, or they're based on the specs. But I was right about the 200 and Redondo being down there.

Ripper
11-30-2006, 12:53 PM
Have you played with it? Or are you just basing it on specs?

I used to be very interested in this raquet (well, I still am). So I researched it a lot. I'm basing myself on the info I remember. It's supposed to be very low powered. Hopefully, someone who owns one will comment.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 12:57 PM
Oh, ok. ....

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 01:06 PM
A very low powered 100 inch frame will be very interesting to try. I have a prince woodie that I hit with sometimes and it is great but quite heavy. I hope the nfury will be like a lighter prince woodie.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 01:07 PM
I see right now you play with the PK 7g. How do you like that? I might be switching to a PK frame, and want opinions.

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 01:14 PM
Well I like it alot but when I lose confidence I go back to the 5g. I have 5g, 7g ki15pse PDR+ and I am getting the nfury and a ki5pse. But feelwise I like the 7g best of the ones I have so far. It is just that in winter I play on a fast indoor carpet and the longer racquets are a bit tough to control there. On clay it will be great I am sure. I am trying to teach myself to choke down on the handle for everything but serve but it is proving difficult so far.
Exceptionally comfortable racquet though.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 01:17 PM
Yeah, just looked up the specs. I don't want an XL racket (unlike RBF:) )

I thinking of demoing the new Redondo, the 5g, and the Ki 5x.

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 01:23 PM
I have a redondo mid, had a mp before aswell but sold it. The mid feels alot nicer IMO but I really dont want the small headsize. I am coming from having used ps 85 and ps 90 for the past 15 years now looking for something easier.
For feel the redondos are hard to beat but I play better with the 5g and 7g.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 01:38 PM
Thanks for the input. I don't want to use the Mid.

SC in MA
11-30-2006, 01:45 PM
Some folks think the Fischer MSpeed 98 is low-powered. I have one and find that it is a racket that you need to swing out to generate power. However, if you do swing out, there's plenty of power with great control.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 01:54 PM
Where's the link to that power index thing? Wouldn't that tell you without a doubt what the lowest powered racket is? Or is there debate on whether or not it truly analyzes rackets accurately?

Voltron
11-30-2006, 01:56 PM
Ncode PS 6.1 tour.

haerdalis
11-30-2006, 02:15 PM
www.tennis.com racquetfinder
The lowest I found there was the dunlop max 200g at 1200 something.
Out of the currentracquets the nfury is the lowest powered according to this site.

tarheels2323
11-30-2006, 02:35 PM
Of the racquets that I've played with/own, I'd say the PK Redondo 93 and the Pro Staff Original 6.0 85 are in the lower range of the power spectrum but the Redondo slightly edges out the PS.

WhiteSox05CA
11-30-2006, 02:38 PM
The Fischer M Speed Pro No. 1 received a "67" on the power from the TW reviews.
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Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 02:39 PM
Tarheels,

Which way did the Redondo edge out the PS? You mean it was less or more powerful?

WhiteSox,

Is that the lowest power rating on TW.

gonzalocatalino
11-30-2006, 02:42 PM
pc600 and volkl tour 10 VE mid

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 02:44 PM
A little surprised about the Volkl you mention. Is the VE less powerful than the other version? I tried the regular version, but I think it was a MP, and I found it overly powerful.

fuzz nation
11-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Yep, that V-engine mid is reeeeeeally dead, but not in a fun way for me. I've got a RDX-500 mid on the way and I'll comment once I run it a bit. The Prince NXG's in mid and mp are pretty low powered, but with the bigger stringbed, the midplus has a little more pop and crazy spin potential. To volley or serve well with the mid, you need to go back to the drawing board a little, but it's so low powered that you can swing really big at the ball on strokes and land them.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 03:00 PM
Volkls have a unique feel that's for sure.

Bolt
11-30-2006, 03:14 PM
My vote goes to the Tour 10 VE Mid.

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 03:16 PM
Wow, another one for the Volkl. However, according to the power rating index thing, nfury wins the prize. Does that settle the debate, leaving no room for question?

SteveI
11-30-2006, 03:35 PM
According to the USRSA the POG has a powerindex of 2038, the Yonex RDX 500 mid has 1741, the mfil 200 has 1766, redondo mid has 1643 and the nfury has 1426.
As I said I havent tried the racquet yet but I am looking forward to doing so.

Wow,

1426 might be the lowest score I have seen in a while... Do not need to play with that one to know it is low powered.. that # says it all.

Steve

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 03:41 PM
That's what I mean. Doesn't that number settle the score?

amx13
11-30-2006, 03:49 PM
I just check the specs, how come the nfury 100 has 1426 power rating and the nfury 110 has a 2458?... that big of a difference because of the head size?

SteveI
11-30-2006, 03:55 PM
I just check the specs, how come the nfury 100 has 1426 power rating and the nfury 110 has a 2458?... that big of a difference because of the head size?

Hi,

Specs for the 100...

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
100 sq. in. / 645 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 9.9oz / 281g
Balance: 2pts Head Light
Swingweight: 295
Stiffness: 50

Easy to see how it rates a 1426... Flex of 50 and 9.9 oz and HL... you would have to be a pro linebacker to get power out of this frame. I have not seen a modern frame with a flex of 50 in some time now..

Regards,
Steve

Dunlopkid
11-30-2006, 03:59 PM
Holy smokes, a flex of 50. That's insane for modern rackets. Like Jell-o or something. The next closest thing is probably the Redondo at 56.

amx13
11-30-2006, 04:19 PM
Thanks, I see now. The 110 has a 67 flex. In the tennis.com racquet finder, the flexibility of the nfury 100 is set at 48. Im looking for a low-powered frame, but Im not sure if this one would be too low for me.

amx13
11-30-2006, 04:27 PM
Holy smokes, a flex of 50. That's insane for modern rackets. Like Jell-o or something. The next closest thing is probably the Redondo at 56.

at tennis.com, both the mfil 200 and the 200G 95 from Dunlop have a 56 flex rating, the PK Redondo has 57. I wonder why specs are different on TW.

SteveI
11-30-2006, 06:41 PM
Thanks, I see now. The 110 has a 67 flex. In the tennis.com racquet finder, the flexibility of the nfury 100 is set at 48. Im looking for a low-powered frame, but Im not sure if this one would be too low for me.

Hi,

How about something like the Dunlop M-Fil 200 2006... nice all around frame. Lower power level...great fun frame!

Regards,
Steve

amx13
12-01-2006, 07:55 PM
Thanks SteveI, actually Im about to get my new 200G 95 to give it a try. Right now Im playing either with a ProStaff 85 or a Volkl DNX 10 mid. I play great with the PS, but after only 2 sets my elbow is always hurting, the Volkl Im still trying to figure it out, sometimes I hit horrendous shots that land in, and sometimes I feel like hitting a clean winner just to see it sail long or hit the net, I just dont seem to get the feel of it.
Hopefully the 200G will feel like the PS but arm friendly, the power level rating is lower than the PS, and the flex is better, so I hope I will finally end my Holy-Grail search with it. If the 200G does not feels right, the other frames I would like to try are the 200Mfil and the Yonex RDX500, but hopefully the 200G will do, I love the paintjob, haha..

jeffreyfranz
12-01-2006, 08:06 PM
Just out of curiousity, which racket do you guys think has inherently the least amount of power, assuming the same string is in every racket. Also, I want a racket is currently being produced. My guess would be Dunlop m-fil 200 or PK Redondo Mid. What are your opinions?

Lowest one I've used so far is the Redondo.

ericsson
12-02-2006, 01:23 AM
Lowest one i've ever used was certainly estusa power beam pro (customs series), you really needed to swing or nothing comes out, awsome racket btw.

anirut
12-02-2006, 01:49 AM
Althought the Redondo has a very low power rating but I'd say it has more pop than it should. This is in comparison with the 10VEmid and the PC600, both strung at 53 lbs, and they feel much more lower-powered than the Redondo at 61 lbs. of the same string type.

artworks
12-02-2006, 04:12 AM
Lowest powered racquet:

200G HM.

Duzza
12-02-2006, 04:16 AM
I'm confused. The RDX 500 Mid, I string with low grade Syn Gut at 58 and is perfectly acceptable.

no skillz
12-02-2006, 06:31 AM
I am pretty sure that the 200g is pretty low powered. I noticed a drop in power when I switched from the rds001.

But a little more mustard on the strockes and its all gravy.

tarheels2323
12-02-2006, 07:31 AM
Tarheels,

Which way did the Redondo edge out the PS? You mean it was less or more powerful?

WhiteSox,

Is that the lowest power rating on TW.


The Redondo felt a little like it had a little less power than the PS (probably due to the greater heft of the PS and therefore the higher swingweight - although, don't quote me, I'm more of a player than a racquet expert), however I'm not sure what the power ratings are on TW.

ChicagoJack
12-02-2006, 11:08 PM
Here's a snip from the list I've been acquiring for years. Yes I'm well aware some USRSA specs differ from TW numbers. Feel free to choose which you prefer. There are better ways to estimate power if you are good with math, but the following list is a good easy starting point. Quite a few oldies in there, they are making frames stiffer every year. I left them in for comparison sake.

Key: USRSA power index_weight/SW_headsize_flex

Note: USRSA power index = (length index × headsize × flex × swingweight) ÷ 1000. Length index calculation: 27" = 1.0, 27.5" = 1.05; 28" = 1.1.

Note: Formula assumes each frame is swung at same speed.

••••••• 947 ••••••••

0947_334/348_085_32 Head Arthur Ashe Comp III
1197_373/320_085_44 Wilson Pro Staff Midsize
1260_353/335_080_47 Dunlop Max 200G (McEnroe/S.Graff)
1302_354/326_085_47 Head Arthur Ashe Competition Edge
1426_285/297_100_48 Wilson nFury 100

•••••••• 1500 ••••••••

1511_333/300_095_53 Cayman Pro Heat II
1570_326/291_093_58 Head i Prestige mid ( later of 2 releases )
1591_267/299_095_56 Cayman Air light

•••••••• 1600 ••••••••

1635_325/298_095_55 Yonex RD Ti 50 Long
1643_331/310_093_57 Pro Kennex Type C 93 Redondo Edition
1663_346/303_090_61 Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 90
1678_342/311_093_58 Head Prestige Tour 300 Mid
1683_345/328_095_54 Yonex RD 7
1687_285/296_095_60 Wilson PS 6.6 Titanium MP

•••••••• 1700 ••••••••

1702_270/279_107_57 Bancroft Ace Advantage
1705_318/290_098_60 Yonex Ultimum RD Ti 80
1708_339/321_095_56 Dunlop 200G 95 Muscle Weave
1712_337/312_098_56 Fischer M Speed Pro No. 1 98
1723_325/303_095_57 Yonex RD Power 6 Long
1730_335/314_102_54 Head Satellite Tour
1739_319/306_098_58 Volkl Cat 10
1740_336/308_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 VE Mid
1741_331/312_090_62 Yonex RDX 500 Mid
1743_341/311_095_59 Fischer Vacuum Pro Mono 95
1746_302/292_098_61 Head Ti Radical MP
1755_276/312_098_56 Wilson n5 Force 98
1762_348/321_098_56 Volkl C-10
1763_310/304_100_58 Wavex AD 2002
1763_280/304_100_58 Wilson Pro Staff Blitz
1764_328/315_100_56 Pro Kennex Type R
1766_346/332_095_56 Dunlop M Fil 200
1766_298/315_095_59 Wilson nPS 95
1773_320/312_098_58 Volkl C-9 pro
1773_300/311_095_60 Wilson HPS 6.5 MP
1780_331/319_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 Mid
1782_290/278_102_63 Dunlop 500G 102
1783_276_282_102_62 Volkl Boris Becker 5
1784_322/289_098_63 Power Angle Power 98
1787_289/293_100_61 Tour 6 Gen II
1787_289/293_100_61 Volkl Tour 6 Gen 2
1790_335/314_095_60 Dunlop 200G 95 Tour Specification

•••••••• 1800 ••••••••

1800_329/295_100_61 Fischer Mono Power 4 MP
1800_313/305_100_59 Wilson nPro Surge
1801_314/296_095_61 Dunlop 200g XL
1804_260/262_097_71 Gosen Secret Carbon Lite
1805_288/282_100_64 Volkl Tour 8 Special Edition
1808_346/307_095_62 Avery M3 Control
1811_298/303_098_61 Volkl C-8 Pro
1811_312/307_100_59 Fischer Pro Tour
1816_276/320_095_59 Wilson H Blaze 95
1817_340/301_095_62 Fisher Pro Tour Extreme FT
1820_338/321_090_63 Vantage VT001
1822_310/319_102_56 Head FXP Prestige Team
1822_344/322_093_59 Head Classic Mid
1830_346/326_093_60 Pro Kennex Type C 93
1830_340/328_093_60 Volkl DNX 10 Mid
1832_326/311_095_62 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 95
1833_299/299_098_59 Volkl C9 Pro extended
1836_354/323_098_58 Pro Kennex Type C 98
1839_354/323_085_67 Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 Original Mid 85
1840_268/298_098_63 Fischer Vacuum Pro spin 98
1841_326/285_095_68 MegaAge M.2 TCL 95 ACP
1841_297/282_102_64 Fischer Ti Smash
1844_312/318_100_58 Fischer Mono Power 2 MP
1844_302/282_100_63 Dunlop 400g 100
1852_299/299_105_59 Yonex Super RQ 500
1854_294/312_102_59 Head FXP Radical Team
1855_261/281_100_66 Babolat Pure Drive Zylon 360
1860_339/317_095_61 Pro Kennex Core 1 No. 06
1871_299/327_097_59 Wilson W6 Blue Steel
1871_333/313_098_61 Yonex RDX 500 HD
1872_344/320_090_65 Yonex RDS 001 90
1872_334/323_095_61 Vantage VT002
1873_326/308_095_64 Slazenger Phantom
1874_297/322_097_60 Wilson W6 Wild Crimson
1874_313/311_098_58 Volkl C-10 Pro Extended
1875_289/312_105_54 Fischer Revolution Comp 105
1877_344/342_093_59 Volkl C-10 Pro Tour
1877_323/098_098_60 Yonex MP Tour 5
1880_341/326_093_62 Head Prestige Classic 600
1880_297/288_102_64 Volkl Catapult V1 MP
1881_346/334_088_64 Yonex RD Ti Mid 88
1889_319/306_098_63 Volkl Quantum 10 Tour
1893_277/284_102_63 Fischer Strike Ti
1894_326/302_095_66 Dunlop Revelation Tour MP

•••••••• 1900 ••••••••

1902_274/283_105_64 Volkl Tour 5
1902_309/308_098_63 Dunlop M Fil 300
1902_315/329_098_59 Wilson nBlade 98
1903_324/312_100_61 Prince O3 Tour 100 MP
1905_274/288_105_63 Volkl Tour 6
1907_309/297_098_63 Fischer Pro No 1 FT
1908_342/318_100_60 Head Flexpoint Radical Tour MP
1917_310/304_097_65 Babolat Pure Control Zylon 360
1919_322/306_098_64 Yonex RDX 500 MP
1947_334/314_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Pro 5g
1921_328/321_095_60 Yonex RD Power 7 Long 95
1924_314/298_100_63 Prince Tour Diablo MP
1924_322/303_098_64 Volkl Tour 9 VE (76 Holes)
1925_341_307_110_57 Cayman Pro Talis II
1926_304/307_098_64 Dunlop 300G 98
1926_321/320_102_59 Head Classic Tour MP
1927_311/312_095_65 Wavex AD 2010
1928_323/311_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 10 PSE
1929_298/307_095_63 Yonex MP 3i 95
1931_354/325_090_66 Wilson nSix-One Tour
1932_340/310_093_67 Prince Tour Diablo Mid
1932_334/308_098_64 Fischer Pro No 1
1933_248/270_110_62 Pro Kennex Ti PBT Destiny
1937_359/329_092_64 Prince NXGraphite Mid
1937_335/318_105_58 Fischer M Pro No. 1 ( 105 )
1938_319/342_098_62 Volkl C-7 Pro
1941_336/305_095_67 Slazenger X1 Pro
1944_345/312_093_67 Head Flexpoint Mid
1945_338/315_095_65 Head 03 Tour Mid
1947_306/295_100_66 Head iTour MP
1947_321/301_098_66 Volkl Tour 9 VE (70 Holes)
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1950_273_323_115_50 Wilson n3
1951_335/311_098_64 Head iPrestige MP
1956_279/292_100_67 Gosen Carbon Pure
1957_321/298_098_67 Volkl Tour 9
1957_329/317_098_63 Head LM Prestige MP
1960_351/325_090_67 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90

•••••••• 1960 ••••••••

References:
2004 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200403/200403racquet_selector.html
2005 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200503/200503racquet_map.html
2006 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200603/200603racquet_selection_guide.html

-Jack

Rafa's best friend
12-02-2006, 11:44 PM
Nocde 90 is the lowest power,

haerdalis
12-03-2006, 12:21 AM
Nice list Jack.
How would adding weight to the handle of the nfury change the powervalue?

BiGGieStuFF
12-03-2006, 01:07 AM
Ummm, I doubt the nfury. On the TW page it says power: low-medium. There are plenty of rackets that say just low.

O3HT seems to be a pretty powerful racket for being rated just "Low" It's a bit weird. Supposed to be on the same power level as a diablo XP.

ChicagoJack
12-04-2006, 11:06 AM
Nice list Jack.
How would adding weight to the handle of the nfury change the powervalue?

Hello Haerdalis ;)

Answer 1 - To the best of my knowledge, The power index is derived from a mathematical equation that uses SW and not static weight. So the answer to your question would depend on how high or low on the handle you place the lead. When the frame is placed in the equipment that measures SW, it is clamped at exactly 4 inches from the butt end of the handle. If all the extra lead were added at or below this axis, then SW would not increase, and the power index value would not increase.

Answer 2 - Forget about the index, and see this thread, post #1 for a more detailed answer regarding what actually happens on the court when you lead the handle.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=106722

Best regards to you, take care
- Jack

bribeiro
12-04-2006, 11:35 AM
The pog mid in my opinion.

haerdalis
12-04-2006, 12:19 PM
Ok cool. I will try experimenting a bit more when I get my nFury.

topspin_17
12-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Jack, where do you think the Redondo MP would come on the USRSA list? Thanks

federermcenroeagassi
12-04-2006, 04:16 PM
Jack, where do you think the Redondo MP would come on the USRSA list? Thanks

Power level? itrs 1723

tennis.com - racket finder

ChicagoJack
12-04-2006, 05:41 PM
Thanks Fedmacaggassi-

The Type C Redondo edition 98 is indeed 1723. The type C (non redondo) is 1836. I've updated my list, it's something I add to in my spare time and I missed those.

-Jack

federermcenroeagassi
12-04-2006, 05:59 PM
Thanks Fedmacaggassi-

The Type C Redondo edition 98 is indeed 1723. The type C (non redondo) is 1836. I've updated my list, it's something I add to in my spare time and I missed those.

-Jack

no problem.. btw you might want to add the PS Tour 90 (power level of 1960)

Power (USRSA index) 1960
Swingweight(kgcm^2) 325
Headsize(in^2) 90
Flex (RDC units) 67
Weight (grams) 351
Balance (cm) 31.75

ChicagoJack
12-05-2006, 06:53 AM
Done - PS Tour 90 has been added to list, and a few more as well. - Jack

federermcenroeagassi
12-05-2006, 04:25 PM
Done - PS Tour 90 has been added to list, and a few more as well. - Jack

nice thanks

superstition
07-17-2007, 01:25 PM
Hi,

Specs for the 100...

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
100 sq. in. / 645 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 9.9oz / 281g
Balance: 2pts Head Light
Swingweight: 295
Stiffness: 50

Easy to see how it rates a 1426... Flex of 50 and 9.9 oz and HL... you would have to be a pro linebacker to get power out of this frame. I have not seen a modern frame with a flex of 50 in some time now..

Regards,
Steve
Shrink it to 90 sq in and take away any other restriction, and that's similar to what I'm advocating as the max spec for female pro tennis, in order to reduce injury and rebalance the game to make all styles equally playable (topspin baselining is too dominant because of the current equipment and courts). You don't need to be a football player to get power out of racquet like that if there's more mass. 9.9 ounces is too light for a serious racquet.

90 sq in, 50 stiffness for women
Navratilova used the Yonex R7 to dominate tennis which is similar, and probably more flexible.

80 sq in, 55 stiffness for men
This is much larger and significantly stiffer than a wood racquet, so it wouldn't be as hard to play topspin baselining (like Borg did with wood), but it wouldn't be so easy to overpower net players, either.

You can visit my topic about this by pasting in the link in my sig.

keithchircop
07-17-2007, 01:55 PM
i read the M Speed 105 is VERY flexy and lacking in power for today's standards.

superstition
07-17-2007, 02:05 PM
I saw a female pro (can't recall the name) who hit flat with a lot of pace with one of those. She lost to an opponent who hit the ball with less pace and more topspin, although the match was fairly close.

keithchircop
07-17-2007, 02:34 PM
we've seen lots of pros hit balls with 14oz racquets with lots of pace.

mdjenders
12-03-2007, 11:46 AM
the nfury 100 feels like it is violently bending when hitting against pace. such a light, whippy, flexy racquet is pretty comfy when bossing lesser players (you feel like you can't miss), but first time I hit with this one against heavy balls, my arm was the loser.

Kcraig
12-03-2007, 12:40 PM
Prince Tour Diablo series--I have the MP and it is a 675 on Prince's power level--O3 Tour MP is 800 and the Speedport Black is around 1000. Diablo is very low powered control machine!!!:twisted:

matchmaker
12-03-2007, 01:31 PM
I used to have the nfury 100. Very low powered indeed. I remember hitting three easy slices that wound up in the net. You have to swing like a madman with this racquet and on slices that is just all to silly. I ended up adding up to 3 ounces of lead tape to the racquet. Balanced off course over the racquet head and the handle. I do not understand why it is indicated for medium swing speed. Only full and long swings should apply. The problem about the racquet is more the weight than the flex. Else from that it is good value for the money. The oversize is just a completely different racquet, hence the variation in power.

PurePrestige
12-03-2007, 01:34 PM
the Prestige mids are probably the lowest you can go on the power scale.
89.5 sq inches with 18x20 pattern along with that flexyness of head rackets makes for a low low powered racket.

Sleepstream
12-03-2007, 02:38 PM
Is there some mistake for the tennis.com racquet finder?

The lowest powered racquet listed is the M Speed Pro No 1 105 UL at a power rating of 853. The flex is listed at 27, so i'm thinking that's the error.

haerdalis
12-03-2007, 02:49 PM
Yeah that must be an error.

rooski
12-03-2007, 02:58 PM
Here's a snip from the list I've been acquiring for years. Yes I'm well aware some USRSA specs differ from TW numbers. Feel free to choose which you prefer. There are better ways to estimate power if you are good with math, but the following list is a good easy starting point. Quite a few oldies in there, they are making frames stiffer every year. I left them in for comparison sake.

Key: USRSA power index_weight/SW_headsize_flex

Note: USRSA power index = (length index headsize flex swingweight) 1000. Length index calculation: 27" = 1.0, 27.5" = 1.05; 28" = 1.1.

Note: Formula assumes each frame is swung at same speed.

••••••• 947 ••••••••

0947_334/348_085_32 Head Arthur Ashe Comp III
1197_373/320_085_44 Wilson Pro Staff Midsize
1260_353/335_080_47 Dunlop Max 200G (McEnroe/S.Graff)
1302_354/326_085_47 Head Arthur Ashe Competition Edge
1426_285/297_100_48 Wilson nFury 100

•••••••• 1500 ••••••••

1511_333/300_095_53 Cayman Pro Heat II
1570_326/291_093_58 Head i Prestige mid ( later of 2 releases )
1591_267/299_095_56 Cayman Air light

•••••••• 1600 ••••••••

1635_325/298_095_55 Yonex RD Ti 50 Long
1643_331/310_093_57 Pro Kennex Type C 93 Redondo Edition
1663_346/303_090_61 Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 90
1678_342/311_093_58 Head Prestige Tour 300 Mid
1683_345/328_095_54 Yonex RD 7
1687_285/296_095_60 Wilson PS 6.6 Titanium MP

•••••••• 1700 ••••••••

1702_270/279_107_57 Bancroft Ace Advantage
1705_318/290_098_60 Yonex Ultimum RD Ti 80
1708_339/321_095_56 Dunlop 200G 95 Muscle Weave
1712_337/312_098_56 Fischer M Speed Pro No. 1 98
1723_325/303_095_57 Yonex RD Power 6 Long
1730_335/314_102_54 Head Satellite Tour
1739_319/306_098_58 Volkl Cat 10
1740_336/308_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 VE Mid
1741_331/312_090_62 Yonex RDX 500 Mid
1743_341/311_095_59 Fischer Vacuum Pro Mono 95
1746_302/292_098_61 Head Ti Radical MP
1755_276/312_098_56 Wilson n5 Force 98
1762_348/321_098_56 Volkl C-10
1763_310/304_100_58 Wavex AD 2002
1763_280/304_100_58 Wilson Pro Staff Blitz
1764_328/315_100_56 Pro Kennex Type R
1766_346/332_095_56 Dunlop M Fil 200
1766_298/315_095_59 Wilson nPS 95
1773_320/312_098_58 Volkl C-9 pro
1773_300/311_095_60 Wilson HPS 6.5 MP
1780_331/319_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 Mid
1782_290/278_102_63 Dunlop 500G 102
1783_276_282_102_62 Volkl Boris Becker 5
1784_322/289_098_63 Power Angle Power 98
1787_289/293_100_61 Tour 6 Gen II
1787_289/293_100_61 Volkl Tour 6 Gen 2
1790_335/314_095_60 Dunlop 200G 95 Tour Specification

•••••••• 1800 ••••••••

1800_329/295_100_61 Fischer Mono Power 4 MP
1800_313/305_100_59 Wilson nPro Surge
1801_314/296_095_61 Dunlop 200g XL
1804_260/262_097_71 Gosen Secret Carbon Lite
1805_288/282_100_64 Volkl Tour 8 Special Edition
1808_346/307_095_62 Avery M3 Control
1811_298/303_098_61 Volkl C-8 Pro
1811_312/307_100_59 Fischer Pro Tour
1816_276/320_095_59 Wilson H Blaze 95
1817_340/301_095_62 Fisher Pro Tour Extreme FT
1820_338/321_090_63 Vantage VT001
1822_310/319_102_56 Head FXP Prestige Team
1822_344/322_093_59 Head Classic Mid
1830_346/326_093_60 Pro Kennex Type C 93
1830_340/328_093_60 Volkl DNX 10 Mid
1832_326/311_095_62 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 95
1833_299/299_098_59 Volkl C9 Pro extended
1836_354/323_098_58 Pro Kennex Type C 98
1839_354/323_085_67 Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 Original Mid 85
1840_268/298_098_63 Fischer Vacuum Pro spin 98
1841_326/285_095_68 MegaAge M.2 TCL 95 ACP
1841_297/282_102_64 Fischer Ti Smash
1844_312/318_100_58 Fischer Mono Power 2 MP
1844_302/282_100_63 Dunlop 400g 100
1852_299/299_105_59 Yonex Super RQ 500
1854_294/312_102_59 Head FXP Radical Team
1855_261/281_100_66 Babolat Pure Drive Zylon 360
1860_339/317_095_61 Pro Kennex Core 1 No. 06
1871_299/327_097_59 Wilson W6 Blue Steel
1871_333/313_098_61 Yonex RDX 500 HD
1872_344/320_090_65 Yonex RDS 001 90
1872_334/323_095_61 Vantage VT002
1873_326/308_095_64 Slazenger Phantom
1874_297/322_097_60 Wilson W6 Wild Crimson
1874_313/311_098_58 Volkl C-10 Pro Extended
1875_289/312_105_54 Fischer Revolution Comp 105
1877_344/342_093_59 Volkl C-10 Pro Tour
1877_323/098_098_60 Yonex MP Tour 5
1880_341/326_093_62 Head Prestige Classic 600
1880_297/288_102_64 Volkl Catapult V1 MP
1881_346/334_088_64 Yonex RD Ti Mid 88
1889_319/306_098_63 Volkl Quantum 10 Tour
1893_277/284_102_63 Fischer Strike Ti
1894_326/302_095_66 Dunlop Revelation Tour MP

•••••••• 1900 ••••••••

1902_274/283_105_64 Volkl Tour 5
1902_309/308_098_63 Dunlop M Fil 300
1902_315/329_098_59 Wilson nBlade 98
1903_324/312_100_61 Prince O3 Tour 100 MP
1905_274/288_105_63 Volkl Tour 6
1907_309/297_098_63 Fischer Pro No 1 FT
1908_342/318_100_60 Head Flexpoint Radical Tour MP
1917_310/304_097_65 Babolat Pure Control Zylon 360
1919_322/306_098_64 Yonex RDX 500 MP
1947_334/314_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Pro 5g
1921_328/321_095_60 Yonex RD Power 7 Long 95
1924_314/298_100_63 Prince Tour Diablo MP
1924_322/303_098_64 Volkl Tour 9 VE (76 Holes)
1925_341_307_110_57 Cayman Pro Talis II
1926_304/307_098_64 Dunlop 300G 98
1926_321/320_102_59 Head Classic Tour MP
1927_311/312_095_65 Wavex AD 2010
1928_323/311_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 10 PSE
1929_298/307_095_63 Yonex MP 3i 95
1931_354/325_090_66 Wilson nSix-One Tour
1932_340/310_093_67 Prince Tour Diablo Mid
1932_334/308_098_64 Fischer Pro No 1
1933_248/270_110_62 Pro Kennex Ti PBT Destiny
1937_359/329_092_64 Prince NXGraphite Mid
1937_335/318_105_58 Fischer M Pro No. 1 ( 105 )
1938_319/342_098_62 Volkl C-7 Pro
1941_336/305_095_67 Slazenger X1 Pro
1944_345/312_093_67 Head Flexpoint Mid
1945_338/315_095_65 Head 03 Tour Mid
1947_306/295_100_66 Head iTour MP
1947_321/301_098_66 Volkl Tour 9 VE (70 Holes)
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1950_273_323_115_50 Wilson n3
1951_335/311_098_64 Head iPrestige MP
1956_279/292_100_67 Gosen Carbon Pure
1957_321/298_098_67 Volkl Tour 9
1957_329/317_098_63 Head LM Prestige MP
1960_351/325_090_67 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90

•••••••• 1960 ••••••••

References:
2004 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200403/200403racquet_selector.html
2005 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200503/200503racquet_map.html
2006 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200603/200603racquet_selection_guide.html

-Jack

This just shows how mathematics don't always give you the whole story. The highest powered racket on this list is the PS Tour 90, which is interesting...but the reality is that in the real world no person could swing all of these rackets at the same speed so the calculation isn't that helpful. I get the theory but this list can only be a single piece of data in the equation. A 4.0 male with limited strength and conditioning for example would find the PS Tour 90 one of the lowest powered rackets on the planet.

miniRafa386
12-03-2007, 04:54 PM
head microgel prestige midsize.

matchmaker
12-03-2007, 05:41 PM
Here's a snip from the list I've been acquiring for years. Yes I'm well aware some USRSA specs differ from TW numbers. Feel free to choose which you prefer. There are better ways to estimate power if you are good with math, but the following list is a good easy starting point. Quite a few oldies in there, they are making frames stiffer every year. I left them in for comparison sake.

Key: USRSA power index_weight/SW_headsize_flex

Note: USRSA power index = (length index headsize flex swingweight) 1000. Length index calculation: 27" = 1.0, 27.5" = 1.05; 28" = 1.1.

Note: Formula assumes each frame is swung at same speed.

947


0947_334/348_085_32 Head Arthur Ashe Comp III
1197_373/320_085_44 Wilson Pro Staff Midsize
1260_353/335_080_47 Dunlop Max 200G (McEnroe/S.Graff)
1302_354/326_085_47 Head Arthur Ashe Competition Edge
1426_285/297_100_48 Wilson nFury 100

1500

1511_333/300_095_53 Cayman Pro Heat II
1570_326/291_093_58 Head i Prestige mid ( later of 2 releases )
1591_267/299_095_56 Cayman Air light

1600

1635_325/298_095_55 Yonex RD Ti 50 Long
1643_331/310_093_57 Pro Kennex Type C 93 Redondo Edition
1663_346/303_090_61 Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 90
1678_342/311_093_58 Head Prestige Tour 300 Mid
1683_345/328_095_54 Yonex RD 7
1687_285/296_095_60 Wilson PS 6.6 Titanium MP

1700

1702_270/279_107_57 Bancroft Ace Advantage
1705_318/290_098_60 Yonex Ultimum RD Ti 80
1708_339/321_095_56 Dunlop 200G 95 Muscle Weave
1712_337/312_098_56 Fischer M Speed Pro No. 1 98
1723_325/303_095_57 Yonex RD Power 6 Long
1730_335/314_102_54 Head Satellite Tour
1739_319/306_098_58 Volkl Cat 10
1740_336/308_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 VE Mid
1741_331/312_090_62 Yonex RDX 500 Mid
1743_341/311_095_59 Fischer Vacuum Pro Mono 95
1746_302/292_098_61 Head Ti Radical MP
1755_276/312_098_56 Wilson n5 Force 98
1762_348/321_098_56 Volkl C-10
1763_310/304_100_58 Wavex AD 2002
1763_280/304_100_58 Wilson Pro Staff Blitz
1764_328/315_100_56 Pro Kennex Type R
1766_346/332_095_56 Dunlop M Fil 200
1766_298/315_095_59 Wilson nPS 95
1773_320/312_098_58 Volkl C-9 pro
1773_300/311_095_60 Wilson HPS 6.5 MP
1780_331/319_093_60 Volkl Tour 10 Mid
1782_290/278_102_63 Dunlop 500G 102
1783_276_282_102_62 Volkl Boris Becker 5
1784_322/289_098_63 Power Angle Power 98
1787_289/293_100_61 Tour 6 Gen II
1787_289/293_100_61 Volkl Tour 6 Gen 2
1790_335/314_095_60 Dunlop 200G 95 Tour Specification

1800

1800_329/295_100_61 Fischer Mono Power 4 MP
1800_313/305_100_59 Wilson nPro Surge
1801_314/296_095_61 Dunlop 200g XL
1804_260/262_097_71 Gosen Secret Carbon Lite
1805_288/282_100_64 Volkl Tour 8 Special Edition
1808_346/307_095_62 Avery M3 Control
1811_298/303_098_61 Volkl C-8 Pro
1811_312/307_100_59 Fischer Pro Tour
1816_276/320_095_59 Wilson H Blaze 95
1817_340/301_095_62 Fisher Pro Tour Extreme FT
1820_338/321_090_63 Vantage VT001
1822_310/319_102_56 Head FXP Prestige Team
1822_344/322_093_59 Head Classic Mid
1830_346/326_093_60 Pro Kennex Type C 93
1830_340/328_093_60 Volkl DNX 10 Mid
1832_326/311_095_62 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 95
1833_299/299_098_59 Volkl C9 Pro extended
1836_354/323_098_58 Pro Kennex Type C 98
1839_354/323_085_67 Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 Original Mid 85
1840_268/298_098_63 Fischer Vacuum Pro spin 98
1841_326/285_095_68 MegaAge M.2 TCL 95 ACP
1841_297/282_102_64 Fischer Ti Smash
1844_312/318_100_58 Fischer Mono Power 2 MP
1844_302/282_100_63 Dunlop 400g 100
1852_299/299_105_59 Yonex Super RQ 500
1854_294/312_102_59 Head FXP Radical Team
1855_261/281_100_66 Babolat Pure Drive Zylon 360
1860_339/317_095_61 Pro Kennex Core 1 No. 06
1871_299/327_097_59 Wilson W6 Blue Steel
1871_333/313_098_61 Yonex RDX 500 HD
1872_344/320_090_65 Yonex RDS 001 90
1872_334/323_095_61 Vantage VT002
1873_326/308_095_64 Slazenger Phantom
1874_297/322_097_60 Wilson W6 Wild Crimson
1874_313/311_098_58 Volkl C-10 Pro Extended
1875_289/312_105_54 Fischer Revolution Comp 105
1877_344/342_093_59 Volkl C-10 Pro Tour
1877_323/098_098_60 Yonex MP Tour 5
1880_341/326_093_62 Head Prestige Classic 600
1880_297/288_102_64 Volkl Catapult V1 MP
1881_346/334_088_64 Yonex RD Ti Mid 88
1889_319/306_098_63 Volkl Quantum 10 Tour
1893_277/284_102_63 Fischer Strike Ti
1894_326/302_095_66 Dunlop Revelation Tour MP

1900

1902_274/283_105_64 Volkl Tour 5
1902_309/308_098_63 Dunlop M Fil 300
1902_315/329_098_59 Wilson nBlade 98
1903_324/312_100_61 Prince O3 Tour 100 MP
1905_274/288_105_63 Volkl Tour 6
1907_309/297_098_63 Fischer Pro No 1 FT
1908_342/318_100_60 Head Flexpoint Radical Tour MP
1917_310/304_097_65 Babolat Pure Control Zylon 360
1919_322/306_098_64 Yonex RDX 500 MP
1947_334/314_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Pro 5g
1921_328/321_095_60 Yonex RD Power 7 Long 95
1924_314/298_100_63 Prince Tour Diablo MP
1924_322/303_098_64 Volkl Tour 9 VE (76 Holes)
1925_341_307_110_57 Cayman Pro Talis II
1926_304/307_098_64 Dunlop 300G 98
1926_321/320_102_59 Head Classic Tour MP
1927_311/312_095_65 Wavex AD 2010
1928_323/311_100_62 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 10 PSE
1929_298/307_095_63 Yonex MP 3i 95
1931_354/325_090_66 Wilson nSix-One Tour
1932_340/310_093_67 Prince Tour Diablo Mid
1932_334/308_098_64 Fischer Pro No 1
1933_248/270_110_62 Pro Kennex Ti PBT Destiny
1937_359/329_092_64 Prince NXGraphite Mid
1937_335/318_105_58 Fischer M Pro No. 1 ( 105 )
1938_319/342_098_62 Volkl C-7 Pro
1941_336/305_095_67 Slazenger X1 Pro
1944_345/312_093_67 Head Flexpoint Mid
1945_338/315_095_65 Head 03 Tour Mid
1947_306/295_100_66 Head iTour MP
1947_321/301_098_66 Volkl Tour 9 VE (70 Holes)
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1947_324/309_100_63 Pro Kennex Kinetic Ionic 5
1950_273_323_115_50 Wilson n3
1951_335/311_098_64 Head iPrestige MP
1956_279/292_100_67 Gosen Carbon Pure
1957_321/298_098_67 Volkl Tour 9
1957_329/317_098_63 Head LM Prestige MP
1960_351/325_090_67 Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90

1960

References:
2004 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200403/200403racquet_selector.html
2005 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200503/200503racquet_map.html
2006 http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200603/200603racquet_selection_guide.html

-Jack

Wow, tremendously interesting. Thank you for the terrific job.

matchmaker
12-03-2007, 05:50 PM
Would you know the power rating of the Wilson Reflex. I can't seem to find any information on that racquet on the sites you mentioned.

Hardcourt1
12-03-2007, 07:54 PM
My guess would be the POG 93.

it is pretty low powered u have to create the pace but thts wht i love about it:)

tennismonkey
10-07-2010, 07:29 PM
*BUMP*

anyone have new racquets and numbers to plug into this list? i like the idea of knowing relatively what racquets have the most and least amount of pop.

li0scc0
10-13-2010, 12:17 PM
anything with a very very low flex rating and low weight. Low flex = less power, low weight = less power.
The Wilson KFierce probably has among the lowest power of any.
9.9 ounces, 295 swingweight, 53 stiffness.

Ehien
10-13-2010, 02:40 PM
This just shows how mathematics don't always give you the whole story. The highest powered racket on this list is the PS Tour 90, which is interesting...but the reality is that in the real world no person could swing all of these rackets at the same speed so the calculation isn't that helpful. I get the theory but this list can only be a single piece of data in the equation. A 4.0 male with limited strength and conditioning for example would find the PS Tour 90 one of the lowest powered rackets on the planet.

Well said!

olliess
10-13-2010, 03:43 PM
Would you know the power rating of the Wilson Reflex. I can't seem to find any information on that racquet on the sites you mentioned.

Since the thread was bumped, and someone very kindly provided the specs earlier this year:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=305860

The USRSA power rating would be 1599 if I understand the formula correctly.

subz
10-13-2010, 04:26 PM
Babolat Pure Storm Limited !!! It is very low powered and one should have a very good technique to hit deep.

Good stick!