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federer_nadal
12-04-2006, 04:32 AM
What racquet companies have the best quality racquets. I dont mean how they play i mean like Paintjob, True to their specs, just the quality in general. Please dont say Vantage because i know that they are most likely the highest. I have heard Volkl are very good with this.

jace112
12-04-2006, 04:35 AM
What racquet companies have the best quality racquets. I dont mean how they play i mean like Paintjob, True to their specs, just the quality in general. Please dont say Vantage because i know that they are most likely the highest. I have heard Volkl are very good with this.
My DNX are indeed very close to their spec (within 2 gramms) but the paint is very cheap. And the Völkl guys don't reply to emails :mad:

Dunlopkid
12-04-2006, 04:56 AM
PK, Volkl, Fischer

Tennis Man
12-04-2006, 05:20 AM
Yonex, IMHO.

midsouth
12-04-2006, 05:26 AM
Yonex leads the industry in fit and finish and is by far the most consistent in meeting specs. Prince is the worst in both categorys. I've seen Volkl vary in weight as much as ten grams in the same model (way too high even though Volkl will claim this to be within tolerence). Have not had enough experience with Fischer and Pro Kennex to comment.

vsbabolat
12-04-2006, 08:28 AM
None of these "Racquet Companies" make there own racquets anymore. It is only a matter of what the "Racquet Company" accepts from there OEM. The only one left making there own racquets is Yonex. So I think Yonex has the best quality.

alu16L
12-04-2006, 08:49 AM
Yonex, IMHO.

I second that

Davai
12-04-2006, 09:04 AM
None of these "Racquet Companies" make there own racquets anymore. It is only a matter of what the "Racquet Company" excepts from there OEM. The only one left making there own racquets is Yonex. So I think Yonex has the best quality.

Care to eloborate? Can you provide some proof or further explanation of the concept that one company produces all rackets.

vinnier6
12-04-2006, 09:12 AM
Care to eloborate? Can you provide some proof or further explanation of the concept that one company produces all rackets.

he is not saying that one company makes all of the racquets...just that no one manufactures their own racquets anymore with the exception of yonex....

Tennis Man
12-04-2006, 09:23 AM
None of these "Racquet Companies" make there own racquets anymore. It is only a matter of what the "Racquet Company" excepts from there OEM. The only one left making there own racquets is Yonex. So I think Yonex has the best quality.

vs, what about Head? They are still making some frames in Austria, right? Still the quality isn't/wasn't as good as Yonex.

I actually disagree that "Racquet Companies" don't make there own racquets anymore. They do design them, mold them and test them. It's a huge component. Manufacturing can be controlled to a certain extent, too. Look at Wilson. They've been making great frames in China for the last 20 years, even though by Chiao Ta.

vsbabolat
12-04-2006, 09:24 AM
Care to eloborate? Can you provide some proof or further explanation of the concept that one company produces all rackets.

I did not say one company makes all racquets. I am trying to say that all the racquet companies like Dunlop, Volkl, Babolat, Head, Wilson, Prince, Tecnifibre, Fischer..... Hire OEMs in China to make there racquets for them. Some of the companies mentioned have hired the same OEM and are produced in the same factory. Yonex is the only one left standing producing it's on racquets in there own factory in Japan. In fact all Racquet companies hire OEMs in China to Produce racquets except for Yonex which still produces there premium racquets in there own factory in Japan.

coolblue123
12-04-2006, 09:32 AM
Do Yonex only make their high-end racquets in Japan only? But I do agree, Yonex has been pretty consistent with their products in terms of quality and calibration of their racquets. I brought two RDS's 3 monthes apart, both racquets weigh and feel the same.

vsbabolat
12-04-2006, 09:49 AM
All of Yonex's High-end racquets are Made in Japan only. In a catalogue I have from Yonex it states where each racquet was made. They were all made in Japan. With the exception of the junior line and one cheap adult racquet.

aidenous
12-04-2006, 10:11 AM
Having worked at a Tennis club and after stringing a lot of racquets I would list Volkl as best followed by Fischer, Tecnifibre, Dunlop, Babolat, Prince, Head & Wilson. I have seen Head & Wilson racquets come in with manufacturing flaws so bad that the entire lots had to be shipped back.

Davai
12-04-2006, 10:43 AM
I did not say one company makes all racquets. I am trying to say that all the racquet companies like Dunlop, Volkl, Babolat, Head, Wilson, Prince, Tecnifibre, Fischer..... Hire OEMs in China to make there racquets for them. Some of the companies mentioned have hired the same OEM and are produced in the same factory. Yonex is the only one left standing producing it's on racquets in there own factory in Japan. In fact all Racquet companies hire OEMs in China to Produce racquets except for Yonex which still produces there premium racquets in there own factory in Japan.

Ok, I misunderstood your original claim. So what you are saying is that all the major companies (except yonex) rely on a manufacturer in China to produce their frmes for them with a guideline and minimal supervision. So the big ones are renting the producers since they don't own the plant? If that is the case why can't the companies dictate more strict standards the same way that they dictate the molds and manufacturing process, thus eliminating many "problems." BTW do you have any links to sources where I can read the information from a little bit more authentic source just as furhter support. The reason I'm asking is becuase I'm picturing the companies building their plants in China and not renting them.

Davai
12-04-2006, 10:45 AM
double post

Tennis Man
12-04-2006, 11:23 AM
Having worked at a Tennis club and after stringing a lot of racquets I would list Volkl as best followed by Fischer, Tecnifibre, Dunlop, Babolat, Prince, Head & Wilson. I have seen Head & Wilson racquets come in with manufacturing flaws so bad that the entire lots had to be shipped back.

Somehow you omitted Yonex :). What's up with that? Anything personal :) ?

Ripper
12-04-2006, 11:27 AM
Best Quality Racquet Company? You can't ask that question without getting a bunch of these: Yonex!

coolblue123
12-04-2006, 11:56 AM
All y'all Yonex users raise your hand!

vsbabolat
12-04-2006, 11:57 AM
Ok, I misunderstood your original claim. So what you are saying is that all the major companies (except yonex) rely on a manufacturer in China to produce their frmes for them with a guideline and minimal supervision. So the big ones are renting the producers since they don't own the plant? If that is the case why can't the companies dictate more strict standards the same way that they dictate the molds and manufacturing process, thus eliminating many "problems." BTW do you have any links to sources where I can read the information from a little bit more authentic source just as furhter support. The reason I'm asking is becuase I'm picturing the companies building their plants in China and not renting them.

The Brand name racquet companies from Europe and U.S.A do not own the factories in China. They hire a company in China to manufacture the racquets for them. The Brand name companies set everything including the spec range for the racquets. This varies from Brand name to Brand name. It is the Brand name that accepts or rejects the racquets.

Here is a link from HEAD explaining why they are no longer are making racquets in there factory Austria and Czech Republic. To now outscource in China like all of there competitors.
http://investor.head.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=123990&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=699494&highlight=

chess9
12-04-2006, 12:01 PM
I've used Wilson racquets my whole life, but Yonex is hands down the winner, IMHO.

-Robert

Tour 90
12-04-2006, 05:05 PM
Definately Yonex.

Steve Huff
12-04-2006, 05:15 PM
I've had a couple of Yonex rackets that were made in China, so not ALL Yonex rackets are made in Japan. But, as someone stated, it's up to the company to set the tolerances of the product they accept. Tighter tolerances = increased cost = higher price to the consumer. I'd have to say that of the rackets I've strung lately, Head needs to pay more attention to their details the most. I've seen too many of them that have burrs around the drilled holes where the grommets come through. I look at Pro Kennex like a Mercedes car. It has more features, so more things to go wrong. Whenever I hear or feel a bad vibration, I know it's the handle. I take off the butt cap, remove the cylinder weight, add a little rubber cement (depends on how much weight I want to add), and it's better than new. Should it be redesigned? Probably. They deserve a lot of credit though for looking into arm-safe rackets when everyone else was making their rackets bigger, stiffer and longer. Oh, and PK, redesign the grommets. I've never had a racket split grommets more than the 5g does. Prince's new O 3 line is nice for the most part. They've tried some things, like the MORE system, that just didn't seem to be thought all the way through. And, even on the O 3 system, sometimes it can be a nightmare getting that last cross tied off, especially if you didn't leave yourself enough string to put it through the next to last cross's hole before it's tensioned. As for Wilson, I've really never encountered too much bad about their workmanship. I wish they'd place their tie-off for the last cross someplace other than in a hole where the last main gets in the way of the knot, and place it closer to the hole the last cross exits. I suppose they just wanted to be "different"--not necessarily better, just different. Babolat's--well, for a company that markets half sets of string, they sure don't make the tie-offs for two-piece stringing very obvious. Yonex rackets have always seemed nicely made. Some of the models with wood handles though are awfully easy to damage the handle, especially when you are experimenting and taking the buttcap off and putting it back on frequently. I have a Fischer now, and it seems well-made. One thing about Fischers though, and it's a small point, is their fancy, buttcap that isn't flat. On small scales, I often just stand the racket on its buttcap to weigh it. Well, not with these. I know, I could get rid of the clutter on my work table so that I can lay the racket down, but sometimes, I just have to work around the clutter. I don't have unlimited room. So to summarize, none are perfect. Some have manufacturing flaws, while others seem to be design flaws (my opinion anyway). Ultimately, if you play better with one company's frames, none of these flaws will matter anyway.

samster
12-04-2006, 05:21 PM
Yonex has the best quality control in my opinion.

Noveson
12-04-2006, 06:47 PM
It seems the racquets most popular to the less hardcore players, ie Wilson, Prince, Head, have a lot less quality control than the more exclusive companies do. For a car analogy it would be comparing Ferraris to Toyotas, except with racquets it happens to a lesser extent. Bigger companies deliver the goods to more people, losing quality.

coolblue123
12-05-2006, 08:13 AM
It seems the racquets most popular to the less hardcore players, ie Wilson, Prince, Head, have a lot less quality control than the more exclusive companies do. For a car analogy it would be comparing Ferraris to Toyotas, except with racquets it happens to a lesser extent. Bigger companies deliver the goods to more people, losing quality.

Also, I would say it's really depends on the quality control of the company. If they don't do enough sampling and set tighter quality stds, then the company shouldn't even be producing that many racquets. The things that is a real ****er is that how the "popular," brands can charge so much more money for a racquet compared to the more exclusive tennis brand and yet their QA is terrible. Isn't it true that economies of scale applies to racquets as well? The more you produce and sell, the cheaper it's suppose to be. At least if we're going to pay so much and the company make so much $$$, shouldn't we at least get the quality of the lesser known brand? Just my 2 cents.

PimpMyGame
12-05-2006, 10:39 AM
Also, I would say it's really depends on the quality control of the company. If they don't do enough sampling and set tighter quality stds, then the company shouldn't even be producing that many racquets. The things that is a real ****er is that how the "popular," brands can charge so much more money for a racquet compared to the more exclusive tennis brand and yet their QA is terrible. Isn't it true that economies of scale applies to racquets as well? The more you produce and sell, the cheaper it's suppose to be. At least if we're going to pay so much and the company make so much $$$, shouldn't we at least get the quality of the lesser known brand? Just my 2 cents.

Th QA is terrible because the manufacture is outsourced. Wilson have been outsourcing to China for over 20 years and still their quality isn't world class. Other racket companies who have done the same are as bad but just haven't done it for as long.

Whilst the cost of manufacture is so low, these companies will get away with substandard quality as replacements are so cheap.

NoBadMojo
12-05-2006, 10:48 AM
The Chinese can make racquets to any degree of quality the Wilson and the Head and the others wish for. The can make terrific frames and they can make crappy frames, and often make both in the same factory. The same factory making Wilson frames for WalMart is likely making kFactors for TW. It depends upon how much quality ($$$) the Wilson and the Head and others chooses to put into the product. Some companies are marketing driven with crappy quality and others are quality and engineering driven and dont spend the money on buying pros to use their gear.

gonzalocatalino
12-05-2006, 12:24 PM
In the paintjob dept., Wilson and Babolat are probably the worst, they chip and scratch easily, besides they look really bad sometimes. About the yonex, they look excellent, but the paintjobs are pretty weak.
In the Volkl Rackets, depend on the line: The tour line (all tour 10 and vengines) are great, the paint hardly get busted or chipped. Anyway, i found less quality in other models, like the BB line.
The O3 racquet from Prince are all well known for his bad quality paintjobs...Dunlop has some poor paintjobs too.
Can´t say anything about fischer because never played with one.

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 07:47 PM
None of these "Racquet Companies" make there own racquets anymore. It is only a matter of what the "Racquet Company" accepts from there OEM. The only one left making there own racquets is Yonex. So I think Yonex has the best quality.:?: Does Yonex make a real flexy racquet?

vsbabolat
12-05-2006, 07:54 PM
The Yonex RDX 500 Mid and Midplus in today's racquet are pretty flexy. The Mid is listed as 60 stiffness and the Midplus 62. That is flexible for a modern racquet.

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 07:55 PM
How about Avery? I read somewhere that he (there apparently actually is a "Mr. Avery") visits high schools and talks to the kids. I like that. Does he take care with his racquets?

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 08:01 PM
The Yonex RDX 500 Mid and Midplus in today's racquet are pretty flexy. The Mid is listed as 60 stiffness and the Midplus 62. That is flexible for a modern racquet.Thank you, VS. I could get used to the 18 X 20 "HD" version, which is a pattern I like to play with, and I understand it is the lowest flex of the "500" line. I would, however, like something even flexier. I have been playing the Pro Kennex Redondo lately and love the low power, head-light balance and flexy feel. I did not get the feeling the racquet was a Lexus, but maybe the Demo I used was just well travelled, if you know what I mean. I demoed the Yonex RDX 500 HD only very briefly and was not knocked out. I probably didn't give it a fair shot. I thought it was a tad boardy, but maybe it was strung tighter than I usually like.

sureshs
12-05-2006, 08:04 PM
How about Avery? I read somewhere that he (there apparently actually is a "Mr. Avery") visits high schools and talks to the kids. I like that. Does he take care with his racquets?

See tomavery.com

He uses 100% graphite but I suspect the racquets are made in China as usual. He may have tighter quality control.

vsbabolat
12-05-2006, 08:05 PM
Jeffrey, Don't forget about the Head Prestige Classic 600. I don't know if you have tried it but I won't play with anything else.

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 08:09 PM
I did not say one company makes all racquets. I am trying to say that all the racquet companies like Dunlop, Volkl, Babolat, Head, Wilson, Prince, Tecnifibre, Fischer..... Hire OEMs in China to make there racquets for them. Some of the companies mentioned have hired the same OEM and are produced in the same factory. Yonex is the only one left standing producing it's on racquets in there own factory in Japan. In fact all Racquet companies hire OEMs in China to Produce racquets except for Yonex which still produces there premium racquets in there own factory in Japan.That does inspire confidence and respect. However, I would add that in other fields unrelated to tennis, China is putting out some pretty fine products on contract/OEM basis. I have no idea what the "screening" or "reject vs. acceptance" rates are, but some things do come out quite nicely.

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 08:14 PM
Jeffrey, Don't forget about the Head Prestige Classic 600. I don't know if you have tried it but I won't play with anything else.I have never had the good fortune, VS. I have only read the extreme high praise of this legend on the Tennnis Wharehouse site. I do have several Head Pro Tour 280s that I have played for years and love. Come to think of it, do I really need to be looking for racquets? I like your idea, though, and would ask, are the 600s commonly available? Oh...another racquet I played recently and LOVED (but do not own) is the Dunlop Muscle Weave 200G, the original one from 5-10 years ago, with the charcoal grey paint job. A simply beautiful racquet to play, look at and fondle (heh heh). Well, I just love tennis and tennis racquets, always will.

Noveson
12-05-2006, 08:18 PM
How exactly do racquets do quality control? Does anybody know?

vsbabolat
12-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Jeffrey, The Prestige Classic 600 is available here at Tennis-warehouse. Also if you google it you will find a couple of more places.

jeffreyfranz
12-05-2006, 08:32 PM
Jeffrey, The Prestige Classic 600 is available here at Tennis-warehouse. Also if you google it you will find a couple of more places.Thanks, VS. I will pursue it. I didn't know the 600 was still available. I thought they were just selling a similar racquet but not the actual 600. I'll go look now.:-D

vsbabolat
12-05-2006, 08:42 PM
Jeffery no problem. These PC600 are supposed to be the last ones made in Head's factory in Kennelbach, Austria and finished in Czech Republic.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage/html?PCODE=PCSMU

Pro_Tour_630
12-09-2006, 11:39 AM
I have never had the good fortune, VS. I have only read the extreme high praise of this legend on the Tennnis Wharehouse site. I do have several Head Pro Tour 280s that I have played for years and love. Come to think of it, do I really need to be looking for racquets? I like your idea, though, and would ask, are the 600s commonly available? Oh...another racquet I played recently and LOVED (but do not own) is the Dunlop Muscle Weave 200G, the original one from 5-10 years ago, with the charcoal grey paint job. A simply beautiful racquet to play, look at and fondle (heh heh). Well, I just love tennis and tennis racquets, always will.


I have a better suggestion, I will trade you a Dunlop which IMO is better than MW since you play PT280 and wislon PS6.0 95, it is the older version of the MW called the revelation 200G checkered black and green, it has a crisper response than the mushy feel of MW200G (which I like), I would say the MW is closer to the PT630 while the Rev is closer to the chinese PT280, it is in 3/8 and mint condition