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NoBadMojo
12-06-2006, 06:23 PM
Mac exploded again..this time at Blackrock..not news unto itself, but I guess this one was even more over the top than usual.....http://www.mltourofchampions.com/1/news/

What I am hoping is that Rios meets him in the finals (dont know the draw) and gives him a bagel and a breadstick, and see how he swallows that sort of pill.

JW10S
12-06-2006, 06:29 PM
McEnroe has become a cliche. His 'tantrums' are expected and he plays them to the hilt. It's all part of the show...

SC in MA
12-06-2006, 06:40 PM
McEnroe has become a cliche. His 'tantrums' are expected and he plays them to the hilt. It's all part of the show...Unfortunately, his tantrums are no longer a show and are certainly not staged. Mac's intensity has seriously gone over the edge. His competitive fire is hotter than ever and he just can not accept losing. He looks to others to blame if things aren't going his way. His on-court behaviour is a disgrace to tennis. I really wish he would/could bring his commentator's demeanor to his on-court game.

Mick
12-06-2006, 06:41 PM
I wonder if he would behave like that at home with his wife and kids or he would only display bad behavior when he's on a tennis court.

sureshs
12-06-2006, 06:48 PM
I wonder if he would behave like that at home with his wife and kids or he would only display bad behavior when he's on a tennis court.

He is in his second marriage. And in any case, if his wife or kids call 911, he will be whisked off to jail on an abuse charge.

The organizers of the senior tours should take a stand on this, but they seem to be cowards and just after the money.

ipodtennispro
12-06-2006, 07:04 PM
I wish Lendl would come back:

http://iws.punahou.edu/user/lcouillard/Headhunting.mov

JW10S
12-06-2006, 07:09 PM
I saw an interview where McEnroe said something to the effect of 'they used to fine when I blew up, now they fine when I don't'. It's all an act. He has nothing left to prove on the tennis court. He's giving the fans just what they came to see.

Mick
12-06-2006, 07:14 PM
I wish Lendl would come back:

http://iws.punahou.edu/user/lcouillard/Headhunting.mov

haha. Nice video . Thx :)

SC in MA
12-06-2006, 07:38 PM
I saw an interview where McEnroe said something to the effect of 'they used to fine when I blew up, now they fine when I don't'. It's all an act. He has nothing left to prove on the tennis court. He's giving the fans just what they came to see.That sounds like Mac a few years ago, before he decided to train and get serious again. Trust me. He's most definitely a different animal now and he now plays as if he's got everything in the world to prove. And unfortunately, the promoters have no power to control him and he certainly can't control himself. Have you seen him play recently? It's not a pretty sight. I say this as one who greatly appreciates Mac's artistry.

Mick
12-06-2006, 07:41 PM
Have you seen him play recently? It's not a pretty sight. I say this as one who greatly appreciates Mac's artistry.

there's a video of him playing against Borg in Dubai at youtube. He looked alright to me. I love his short, compact strokes. They are fantastic.

JW10S
12-06-2006, 07:55 PM
That sounds like Mac a few years ago, before he decided to train and get serious again. Trust me. He's most definitely a different animal now and he now plays as if he's got everything in the world to prove. And unfortunately, the promoters have no power to control him and he certainly can't control himself. Have you seen him play recently? It's not a pretty sight. I say this as one who greatly appreciates Mac's artistry.The interview was from this year...

bluegrasser
12-07-2006, 02:26 AM
ahh ! he's Irish, give him a break ..

Nastase
12-07-2006, 03:27 AM
I for one think its a bit pathetic really his behaviour at 47 yrs old...this is the seniors circuit, lighten up for crissakes. Even Muster talks to the crowd now and has some fun with it...as most all the others do. He's just a jackass.

cghipp
12-07-2006, 03:53 AM
I saw an interview where McEnroe said something to the effect of 'they used to fine when I blew up, now they fine when I don't'. It's all an act. He has nothing left to prove on the tennis court. He's giving the fans just what they came to see.That's just what he tells himself to try to excuse and justify his behavior. People may like to see him arguing a little with the chair ump, but nobody wants to see him hurling racquets against the wall as hard as he can. I saw him do this in Charlotte, and it was scary, uncomfortable and appalling. I was truly afraid he was going to hurt someone; he was completely out of control. My immediate thought was, thank god I didn't bring my child with me, because I would have to explain to her why I thought it was okay to pay money to come here and watch this surly, freakish behavior. The spectators and the other players were embarrassed for him.

He is a train wreck and he needs serious psychiatric help. He brought the tournament down with his behavior and I am less likely to go again because of it.

pound cat
12-07-2006, 03:56 AM
Oh grow up John. It's not funny anymore.

Iron Man Sublime 1
12-07-2006, 04:14 AM
Yup, he is getting annoying. After reading his book I thought he would really change and stop to think. Oh well, all is fairplay in love and war.


He should get a haircut

Iron Man Sublime 1
12-07-2006, 04:16 AM
HE IS VON BOIGNAN. Shall I say?

http://www.bellyqueen.com/images/john_mcenroe.jpg

Rabbit
12-07-2006, 04:34 AM
McEnroe has become a cliche. His 'tantrums' are expected and he plays them to the hilt. It's all part of the show...

Sorry, but what I saw in Memphis was not "part of the show". Fans were actually leaving his match because of his behavior. One man acutally yelled at McEnroe to shut up because his kids were with him. The main object of his ire was a buddy of mine who was calling lines. Dale didn't count the F-bombs because there were too many. If it were an act, McEnroe wouldn't have had the chair replaced....which he did. If it were an act, he wouldn't have had two linespersons replaced during a match...which he did. I really love his tennis, but his behavior has completely overshadowed it. Bottom line is he needs to shut up and play tennis or go home.

SC in MA
12-07-2006, 04:50 AM
That's just what he tells himself to try to excuse and justify his behavior. People may like to see him arguing a little with the chair ump, but nobody wants to see him hurling racquets against the wall as hard as he can. I saw him do this in Charlotte, and it was scary, uncomfortable and appalling. I was truly afrain he was going to hurt someone; he was completely out of control. My immediate thought was, thank god I didn't bring my child with me, because I would have to explain to her why I thought it was okay to pay money to come here and watch this surly, freakish behavior. The spectators and the other players were embarrassed for him.

He is a train wreck and he needs serious psychiatric help. He brought the tournament down with his behavior and I am less likely to go again because of it.Your description of his behaviour in Charlotte is what I saw in Boston earlier this year. He needs help. I guess the promoters are making money off of him, but at what cost to the sport of tennis.

ATXtennisaddict
12-07-2006, 06:14 AM
I'm sure it's part of the show. When you pay money to watch McEnroe, you want to see him play AND you want to see one of his famous blow-ups. I know I would.

NoBadMojo
12-07-2006, 06:56 AM
A friend of mine logics that it is his personality disorders combined with the drugs talking..that would explain such abhorrent violent volcanic behaviour..the guy is either simply nuts or a druggie or a combination thereof......to be 47 and still not have any sort of self control is just really bizarre..you cant blame stuff like that on 'the heat of competiton' or 'it's just a show'...it's severe dysfunction.

sureshs
12-07-2006, 07:18 AM
No drug testing on the senior tours?

Grigollif1
12-07-2006, 08:29 AM
I think you need to be really igonorant or very inocent to believe that JMC's episodes of rage are staged or "part of the show". Of course is not, I believe it is really easy to see, when somebody is doing something out of humor or to entertain rather then being totally out of control. When you have an ego problem on the court as Mac had throughout his career, where he grew depedent on feeding on his rage n order to play better. You don't just loose that because it's the senior Tour or Whatever. If anything it tends to get worst and more problematic.. A lot of the players that have played practice sets with him, say that he is the same way when they are practicing all alone.

Imagine if everything could be excused by saying "is part of show" Somebody could do the most amazing things using that...

Bjorn99
12-07-2006, 09:02 AM
I would love to play mac and beat him bad. I know that I could, but I doubt that he will be calling me anytime soon. I never thought he was all that much of a player, I really didn't. But his serve had a lot of verve at one time and it freaked Borg, Connors and Gerulaitis out. It doesn't have anything on it now, and I would love to snack on it.

sureshs
12-07-2006, 09:05 AM
I would love to play mac and beat him bad. I know that I could, but I doubt that he will be calling me anytime soon. I never thought he was all that much of a player, I really didn't. But his serve had a lot of verve at one time and it freaked Borg, Connors and Gerulaitis out. It doesn't have anything on it now, and I would love to snack on it.

Every commentator I have heard on the senior tour, including Courier, says Mac's serve is far better now than when he retired.

Moose Malloy
12-07-2006, 09:12 AM
I would love to play mac and beat him bad. I know that I could, but I doubt that he will be calling me anytime soon. I never thought he was all that much of a player, I really didn't. But his serve had a lot of verve at one time and it freaked Borg, Connors and Gerulaitis out. It doesn't have anything on it now, and I would love to snack on it.

It never ceases to amaze me how delusional amateur tennis players are about their abilities, especially compared to athletes in other sports.

I wonder how many recreational basketball/football/etc players think they are actually good enough to be in the same zip code as pros.

Guess that's why they market tennis as a sport for everyone, guys that work in a cubicle can actually convince themselves they are something special.

I see that you were born in 1977. I doubt you even saw Mac play in his prime(1984), or in person when he was on tour.

Eviscerator
12-07-2006, 10:41 AM
I for one think its a bit pathetic really his behaviour at 47 yrs old...this is the seniors circuit, lighten up for crissakes. Even Muster talks to the crowd now and has some fun with it...as most all the others do. He's just a jackass.

Good point regarding his age.
When Connors was young we was a jerk as well. But as he matured he became a fan favorite on both the ATP and Seniors tours. Mac's game was always better than his antics, but sadly it is the other way around now. I doubt he will ever grow up if he hasn't done so by now.

dman72
12-07-2006, 11:07 AM
Mac is a low life who happened to be a good tennis player with a dad with money enough to back him up. If he wasn't a tennis player, he'd be in jail or dead. What he really needs is for someone to punch him in the face!! I would just once love to see line judge break his bratty little nose. He's never had to grow up because he is rich and famous. Anyone whose seen him in person knows that he's just not a decent guy.

NoBadMojo
12-07-2006, 11:22 AM
Mac is a low life who happened to be a good tennis player with a dad with money enough to back him up. If he wasn't a tennis player, he'd be in jail or dead. What he really needs is for someone to punch him in the face!! I would just once love to see line judge break his bratty little nose. He's never had to grow up because he is rich and famous. Anyone whose seen him in person knows that he's just not a decent guy.

connors almost went at him once and shoved his finger in his face..mac backed down of course coward that he is. on the seniors, leconte had enough of him at one point and crossed over to the other side, got in his face, and mac backed down coward that he is. as long as he can do stuff w.o ramification he will keep doing it <kind of like the creepiest posters on this forum>. i was hoping just once, a linesman or player would just lose it on him...i think that would forever silence him, because people like that are just cowards like the people who attack others in a personal way on this forum as they hide behind their keyboards...

shakes1975
12-07-2006, 12:31 PM
I would love to play mac and beat him bad. I know that I could, but I doubt that he will be calling me anytime soon. I never thought he was all that much of a player, I really didn't. But his serve had a lot of verve at one time and it freaked Borg, Connors and Gerulaitis out. It doesn't have anything on it now, and I would love to snack on it.

i think u have a serious misconception about mac. his instincts at net were unparalleled. i can't see anyone get away with such an un-textbook-like technique at volleying. he didn't bend his knees, the racquet head was not level with his wrist, but still he generated amazing angles on his volleys, could hit volleys deep or drop them right near the net. he always seemed to be in the right position to intercept the pass.

his understanding of the game's dynamics was amazing. he was a genius on the court.

i read somewhere in borg's interview recently that mac was the main reason for borg's pre-mature retirement. he thought "this guy is only going to get better. and he's already beaten me at the Wim F and the USO F."

Richie Rich
12-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Sorry, but what I saw in Memphis was not "part of the show". Fans were actually leaving his match because of his behavior. One man acutally yelled at McEnroe to shut up because his kids were with him. The main object of his ire was a buddy of mine who was calling lines. Dale didn't count the F-bombs because there were too many. If it were an act, McEnroe wouldn't have had the chair replaced....which he did. If it were an act, he wouldn't have had two linespersons replaced during a match...which he did. I really love his tennis, but his behavior has completely overshadowed it. Bottom line is he needs to shut up and play tennis or go home.

i'd love to be a linesman at one of his matches and give back to Mac what he dishes out. wonder if anyone has done that before?

Bjorn99
12-07-2006, 12:59 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that I would give Mac a very rough time. And when he retired his serve was down to a squeak. So what if it has something on it now. I never decided to go pro, but if I had, I think I would have been top two hundred, all the travel, just never appealed to me. Do you think Mac would still be top two hundred NOW?

No doubt, Mac still believes he is top 200. But does the forum?

Kaptain Karl
12-07-2006, 01:14 PM
Somebody on this forum is "a legend in his own mind." Sheesh!

- KK

callitout
12-07-2006, 03:25 PM
Every commentator I have heard on the senior tour, including Courier, says Mac's serve is far better now than when he retired.
Since the interest in the senior tour is greater if fans think the quality of play is higher....there is something self-serving in this. The players and commentators always talk about how high the quality of play is, to generate more fan interest.
They are great for their age...but an overthehill Rios' utter dominance of the tour shows that its a fair way from truly first rate pro tennis. Mac serve is unbelievable...for a 47 year old. If real pros were returning it, it would be exposed for the (relatively) slow curveball it now is.

sureshs
12-07-2006, 03:39 PM
Since the interest in the senior tour is greater if fans think the quality of play is higher....there is something self-serving in this. The players and commentators always talk about how high the quality of play is, to generate more fan interest.
They are great for their age...but an overthehill Rios' utter dominance of the tour shows that its a fair way from truly first rate pro tennis. Mac serve is unbelievable...for a 47 year old. If real pros were returning it, it would be exposed for the (relatively) slow curveball it now is.

The numbers I saw were around 120 mph.

tricky
12-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Yeah, from other places I've read, McEnroe's serve is in the 110+ range. You can thank racket technology for that. That's a solid serve if you consider McEnroe's kick action.

Spadea's passage about McEnroe pretty much corroborates what he's like. He's cordial and friendly off the court; he's still the same on the court.

Difference now is that, after making himself out to be the biggest ******* when you play him, he may still buy you a drink after the game.

And also that McEnroe has ridiculous game speed for his age and that playing him, even as a top 100 player, is hard work. The anticipation is there. The footwork is sublime. The eye-hand coordination is still world class. And, oh yeah, even in a practice game, he wants to beat you bad.

classic tennis
12-08-2006, 03:30 AM
There is a major problem with Mac, Rios & the rest of the carnival that is the senior tour, & that is there are very few rules on entry. Rios should not be there, nor should any player under 35. I wanted to support the seniors, but compared to the PGA it's very amateur. Also the players still demand large sums to compete (mainly to empty stadiums). I hope it gets sorted out, but there are a lot of problems. Johnny Macs antics are just Johnny Mac, always has been & always will be.

Rabbit
12-08-2006, 05:44 AM
i'd love to be a linesman at one of his matches and give back to Mac what he dishes out. wonder if anyone has done that before?

Then you'll never be a linesman. Linesmen...ehhhh linespersons (for you Fee) are instructed not to be confrontational. If they are, they lose their jobs. They are to report anything they think in violation of the rules to the chair who then dishes out punishment. If the linespeople don't obey the rules of the game, then there is no integrity left.

I remember that last Open McEnroe played with wood. He was serving so well the commentators guesstimated that his second serves were coming in at around 100 MPH. McEnroe's serve is as good now as then, but I don't know that it's better which is still awesome considering his age. I really think that the change has been more on the radar gun side than anything else.

Someone else pointed out that if serves were so much slower when Agassi started, how could he return better later against faster serves? It would seem that his skills would (and inevitably did) decline as he got to his later 20s, but he kept on going through his mid-30s.

Rhino
12-08-2006, 11:08 AM
His frustration actually looked pretty genuine today oncourt against Rios. He looked liked it meant a lot to him, smashing a racquet down onto the court. He fell over as he got broken in the first set to go doen 5-3 and stayed lying down for ages.

austro
12-08-2006, 01:37 PM
I was there - actually, I think today it was a lot of theatrics, I didn't look genuine at all. Also, if it were genuine it would have been ridiculous because most of those moments weren't such big deals.

I think part of what he does is staged and part comes from within. I am sure he experiences frustration because he would like to dominate the seniors tours just as he did the regular tour. But it s only because he knows that his behavior is tolerated (if not expected!) that he lets it out. Have you ever seen a little kid fall and hurt itself? In most cases it won't start to cry immediately. It will look around to see if there is someone to empathise and feel sorry for it. Only then will it start to cry. Otherwise the survival instinct kicks in and it gets up and carries on. Similar with Mac: the extent his internal feelings manifest themselves externally is conditioned by the environment and the expectations. It is not a question of one or the other.

Rabbit
12-09-2006, 06:44 AM
If you read Bill Scanlon's book, he says that McEnroe does the tantrum thing not out of any genuine emotion, but rather he uses it just like he does his serve, to throw his opponents off. McEnroe never seems to throw a temper tantrum when he's winning...

Just food for thought.

ipodtennispro
12-09-2006, 10:01 AM
I am glad that everyone is in agreement that Mac's behavior is unacceptable.

I am a full time tennis coach and will not use any videos of McEnroe for teaching purposes because he is exactly the opposite if what I want my students to behave like. I wonder as a junior, in high school, or in college how many people he cheating on line calls or stalled opponents in matches.

Why would anybody feel any enjoyment playing this guy knowing he is going to have a blow-up? What I can't figure out is after all these years is he still hasn't learned anything. He looks so unhappy playing the game, something that I tell all our students all the time, "You have to a fun" playing the game.

There is a 46 shot rally on You Tube with Federer and Hewitt which Federer loses the point but turns around and smiles afterwards. You have to admire Federer for this. Most people would get ****ed off. You can only wonder how Mac would react.

The shame of it all is that there is nothing "Modern" about Mac's groundstroke game so I would never show footage of that anyway, however, his ability to hit on the rise and his volley techniques are far superior to any of the players today who struggle with the extreme grips.
As a commentator for the big networks I wonder why they haven't told him to either stop playing, or yank him. He is not a role model for future tennis players. Do the networks not see his split personality?

Unfortunately, his greatness is overshadowed by his bad sportsmanship and gamesmanship. We do not want future tennis players to think this is okay. My students will never know is greatness. Luckily, they have never seen him play.

ipodtennispro

superman1
12-09-2006, 11:35 AM
Most people find it all hilarious. The crowds all love it, and they come in expecting to see tantrums and are disappointed if they don't. I don't see why anyone could get upset with McEnroe, other than the umpire. This is how he is and it's how he has always been. You know that he's a good guy off court and that he's one of the greats of the sport, so don't take it personally.

ipodtennispro
12-09-2006, 01:01 PM
Again, if that's what you want to pay for, then buy tickets to his games. He is not entertaining to me anymore but there are a lot of people out there who are like yourself who do find him entertaining. Belittlling umpires and linespersons. People go to the race track aniticipating the crash. Everyone knows Mac is a spark and sparks turn into flames. I have even caught myself watching his games(seniors tour) waiting for the blow-up. Unfortunately, you can kind of time them when he is going to have a ourtburst. He is getting to predictable.

And that is what it is all about, selling tickets, entertainment. My only point is that we (as a sport) should not have to drive the game by promoting this guy. Bottom line, Mac tarnishes the image of our sport. How come our junior players cannot get away with the same behavior? I have always believed that wild animals like wild people we never meant to "Entertain" people.

ipodtennispro

dpfrazier
12-09-2006, 01:05 PM
Most people find it all hilarious. The crowds all love it, and they come in expecting to see tantrums and are disappointed if they don't. I don't see why anyone could get upset with McEnroe, other than the umpire. This is how he is and it's how he has always been. You know that he's a good guy off court and that he's one of the greats of the sport, so don't take it personally.
I, for one, am very uncomfortable when Mac starts with the boorish behavior, even when I see it on TV. And I've seen some of it in person as well, and not just in competitive situations.

I was a freshman at Stanford in '77, the same year that McEnroe joined Stanford's tennis team for a year. (I tried out for the team; alas, not enough talent.) I would hang around the varsity courts sometimes and watch the team practice. One incident I remember was when Mac was practicing down-the-line backhands, and Stanford's coach, Dick Gould, said something to the effect of, "that's good, now try some crosscourts."

Mac replied, loud enough for everyone to hear, "Shut up, Dick."

So in my book, McEnroe is a Jekyll-Hyde personality, but the default personality is Mr. Hyde...

ipodtennispro
12-09-2006, 01:19 PM
Unfortunately, these columns drive Mac's popularity, so this will have to my last post on this guy. My final point is that some people get enjoyment in seeing other people get berated and mistreated. They get their jollies out of it. Look at the popularity of the reality shows. Mac has tapped into this market. Financially speaking, I can't believe he needs the money, so you just have to wonder what he is all about.

ipodtennispros.com

Kaptain Karl
12-09-2006, 02:53 PM
I am glad that everyone is in agreement that Mac's behavior is unacceptable.... <snip>

Unfortunately, his greatness is overshadowed by his bad sportsmanship and gamesmanship. We do not want future tennis players to think this is okay.I agree. (I made Mac look like a "saint," I was such a jerk in my teens. At 19 ... I grew up and just stopped.)

But I *wish* some adult would have knocked some sense into me earlier. (And I don't think anyone ever has with Mac.)

As a Teaching Pro and a Coach ... I made it very clear I would not abide churlishness on my courts. (As a Coach, I had to default a player only once. The rest of the kids knew I was serious after that....)

No more Mac the Brat players. Please!

- KK

cghipp
12-09-2006, 02:57 PM
Most people find it all hilarious. The crowds all love it, and they come in expecting to see tantrums and are disappointed if they don't. I don't see why anyone could get upset with McEnroe, other than the umpire. This is how he is and it's how he has always been. You know that he's a good guy off court and that he's one of the greats of the sport, so don't take it personally.No one thought it was hilarious in Charlotte. The crowd was very, very quiet, uncomfortable, and impatient for play to resume.

superman1
12-09-2006, 05:11 PM
Was the crowd made up of a bunch of 60 year-olds? When I saw him play doubles in California, everyone started to laugh when he looked like he was about to blow it. He didn't argue with the ump, though. He just stood still for a few moments with his usual scowl, pointed his racquet at the linesman accusingly and then went on with play. I guess he's a little calmer when he is playing doubles.

NoBadMojo
12-09-2006, 05:29 PM
Was the crowd made up of a bunch of 60 year-olds? When I saw him play doubles in California, everyone started to laugh when he looked like he was about to blow it. He didn't argue with the ump, though. He just stood still for a few moments with his usual scowl, pointed his racquet at the linesman accusingly and then went on with play. I guess he's a little calmer when he is playing doubles.

mac's outburts are as predictable and boring and quite similar to when people laugh foolishly when a ball gets stuck in the net on the serve. it's not funny..regular people dont think it's funny as it is the same thing for many years..it's beyond boorish..the same scowl..yelling 'you can not be serious' yet another time stopped being funny back in the 80s. it's not good for tennis....it sets a horrible example as to how a sportsman should behave, and puts the sport of tennis in a bad light IMO.

as to him only doing it when he is losing...well yea...he really doesnt have a reasoin to do it when he's winning...he obvioiusly figured out early on that he could use his out of control tantrums as gamesmanship to throw his opponent off, which makes him even less of a real sportsman..he's a joke

JW10S
12-09-2006, 07:47 PM
If you read Bill Scanlon's book, he says that McEnroe does the tantrum thing not out of any genuine emotion, but rather he uses it just like he does his serve, to throw his opponents off. McEnroe never seems to throw a temper tantrum when he's winning...

Just food for thought.
Exactly...it's all very contrived and done for a purpose. He knows what he's doing. This notion that he is 'out of control' is laughable...

cghipp
12-10-2006, 06:47 AM
Was the crowd made up of a bunch of 60 year-olds? When I saw him play doubles in California, everyone started to laugh when he looked like he was about to blow it. He didn't argue with the ump, though. He just stood still for a few moments with his usual scowl, pointed his racquet at the linesman accusingly and then went on with play. I guess he's a little calmer when he is playing doubles.No, it was mostly families and couples, and a lot of tennis players. I saw a great many of my regular teammates and opponents there. It was a wonderful atmosphere, otherwise. As I said in my previous post, he wasn't "scowling" - he was violent.

EricW
12-10-2006, 08:11 AM
He's hilarious sometimes (although sometimes he's ridiculous). Recently a serve was called in that he claimed was "7 inches out" and then on his next serve they called it out and he yells "COME ON THAT WAS ONLY 5 INCHES OUT!!!!!!"

I really enjoy watching mcenroe, and the senior tour. I never get why everyone bashes everything. The senior tour is great and fun to watch.

There is a major problem with Mac, Rios & the rest of the carnival that is the senior tour, & that is there are very few rules on entry. Rios should not be there, nor should any player under 35. I wanted to support the seniors, but compared to the PGA it's very amateur. Also the players still demand large sums to compete (mainly to empty stadiums). I hope it gets sorted out, but there are a lot of problems. Johnny Macs antics are just Johnny Mac, always has been & always will be.

All you do is look for the fualts in everything, the senior tour is very entertaining, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

sureshs
12-10-2006, 08:17 AM
McEnroe Extends Dunlop Deal Through 2009


By Tennis Week
12/08/2006


John McEnroe will continue to play with a familiar partner for the next three years. The Hall of Famer has extended his long-standing racquet and tennis ball endorsement pact with Dunlop through September, 2009, Dunlop announced today. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.

In a career that has spanned three decades, McEnroe has won 155 singles and doubles titles, including seven Grand Slam singles championships. Playing with deadly precision on his slice serve, deft touch on volleys and an awe-inspiring intensity, McEnroe won his Wimbledon trophy in 1981, which he won playing with a Dunlop Maxply racquet.

"My Dunlop racquet is a very important and integral part of my game," said McEnroe. "I played with a Dunlop racquet during the best years of my career and I still play with a Dunlop racquet today. I am delighted to be an ambassador for Dunlop since we have had a very successful partnership for so many years."

McEnroe currently plays the senior circuit with Dunlop's distinctive McEnroe Maxply, which he helped design.

superman1
12-11-2006, 02:10 AM
The thing is, he's not going to change. So there's no point in getting upset at him for the rest of his life. Just accept it and move on. Most people have chosen to find the humor in it. As long as he doesn't actually punch someone when he's out there, I will choose to just laugh at his misery and be a fan of his amazing talent.

austro
12-11-2006, 02:58 AM
He is really beginning to look very odd on court. He accompanies his backhand with a little hop each time (as if he were always too close) and his forehand motion is extremely stiff. There is like zero knee-bend!

jamumafa
12-11-2006, 03:35 AM
If you read Bill Scanlon's book, he says that McEnroe does the tantrum thing not out of any genuine emotion, but rather he uses it just like he does his serve, to throw his opponents off. McEnroe never seems to throw a temper tantrum when he's winning...

Just food for thought.

Nastase says the same in his book also

Rabbit
12-11-2006, 04:28 AM
Exactly...it's all very contrived and done for a purpose. He knows what he's doing. This notion that he is 'out of control' is laughable...

Well, he does get out of control. In Memphis, he slammed a ball down on court which came back and hit him in the eye. There was a ripple of laughter, but then silence as he didn't move for quite some time. It was reported that he visited a doctor the next day. I think he blows a breaker and just can't control himself after he gets on one of his long-winded rants.

The thing is, he's not going to change. So there's no point in getting upset at him for the rest of his life. Just accept it and move on. Most people have chosen to find the humor in it. As long as he doesn't actually punch someone when he's out there, I will choose to just laugh at his misery and be a fan of his amazing talent.

It's difficult if not impossible to find humor in his behavior when he's dropping F-bombs every third word and you have your child with you at a tennis match. I saw folks heading for the exits in Memphis the second night he played. Wilander had made a match out of the second set and McEnroe decided to throw a fit. No one was amused.

sureshs
12-11-2006, 05:31 AM
I don't find anything humorous in Mac's behavior, because I can see that others are getting humiliated (including linespersons who get paid very little), and I know that it is part of his tactics to win the match at any cost.

alwaysatnet
12-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Yeah,his behavior is "part of the show". The worst part.

eunjam
12-28-2006, 11:05 PM
some of these posts condone his behavior because he's a great player.

all because he's a great player does not mean that he's not an a- hole.

i would love to see a youtube video of him backing down.

alwaysatnet
01-01-2007, 09:01 AM
Years ago when still married to Tatum O'Neil he flew into a rage because he arrived late for a flight at SFO and they refused to hold up flight for him and his entourage.He assaulted flight attendant(later settling lawsuit out of court)after injuring her arm.He was a brilliant player but an a-hole of a person.Some people still don't get it and want to look the other way when he throws a fit.What an abysmal human being.In his short runned cable talk show he also proved to be an intolerant jerk to anyone not subscribing to his Manhatten upper west side world view.But in this world he has parlayed his obnoxious attitude into a career so why should he change now?He's just an a-hole.An obnoxious one.

Deuce
01-02-2007, 10:38 PM
John McEnroe is everything that he claims to hate in others:

A spoiled brat who has always thought that he is larger than the game of tennis, and who greatly overestimates his own importance not only on the tennis court, but in life in general.

... and a consummate hypocrite.

I'm glad to see that people are seeing him for what he is, and are not fooled by his 'nice guy' act.

CanadianChic
01-02-2007, 11:07 PM
You mean there is more than one consumate hypocrite around? Good to know - or is this just the insult of the month? Smile Deucey - you know I'm your pick!! :twisted:

I find McEnroe amusing - but I don't have to live with him. "IT WAS ON THE LINE!!!"

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 09:26 AM
I would love to play mac and beat him bad. I know that I could, but I doubt that he will be calling me anytime soon. I never thought he was all that much of a player, I really didn't. But his serve had a lot of verve at one time and it freaked Borg, Connors and Gerulaitis out. It doesn't have anything on it now, and I would love to snack on it.

Thanks for the laugh.......:D

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 09:27 AM
Every commentator I have heard on the senior tour, including Courier, says Mac's serve is far better now than when he retired.

ahem...its more consistent....I guess that makes it better, but he can no longer pull a player off the court like he used to. He used to double fault a lot back then. So it is better in a sense because of it being more consistent.

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 09:34 AM
[QUOTE=shakes1975;1105885]i think u have a serious misconception about mac. his instincts at net were unparalleled. i can't see anyone get away with such an un-textbook-like technique at volleying. he didn't bend his knees, the racquet head was not level with his wrist, but still he generated amazing angles on his volleys, could hit volleys deep or drop them right near the net. he always seemed to be in the right position to intercept the pass.

his understanding of the game's dynamics was amazing. he was a genius on the court.

It was his wrist. I remember reading something about a doctor who was working on his flexibility discussed his range of motion regarding his wrist. If I recall correctly he was able to bend his wrists more so than the common man and they were extremely strong. Also, something about his shoulders. I don't recall what the shoulder deal was, but he did mention the way he used his shoulder in his volleys.

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 09:43 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that I would give Mac a very rough time. And when he retired his serve was down to a squeak. So what if it has something on it now. I never decided to go pro, but if I had, I think I would have been top two hundred, all the travel, just never appealed to me. Do you think Mac would still be top two hundred NOW?

No doubt, Mac still believes he is top 200. But does the forum?

do you realize everyone thinks you are an idiot with your babble talk;)

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 09:44 AM
Since the interest in the senior tour is greater if fans think the quality of play is higher....there is something self-serving in this. The players and commentators always talk about how high the quality of play is, to generate more fan interest.
They are great for their age...but an overthehill Rios' utter dominance of the tour shows that its a fair way from truly first rate pro tennis. Mac serve is unbelievable...for a 47 year old. If real pros were returning it, it would be exposed for the (relatively) slow curveball it now is.

Wow! Someone actually makes a good point!:)

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 10:00 AM
[QUOTE=Rabbit;1108388]If you read Bill Scanlon's book, he says that McEnroe does the tantrum thing not out of any genuine emotion, but rather he uses it just like he does his serve, to throw his opponents off. McEnroe never seems to throw a temper tantrum when he's winning...

Really? I grew up watching Mac play and he lost his temper when winning and losing. Part of the reason he lost his temper was to pump himself and the crowd up. He would go nuts when he won. Some of his greatest outbursts were when he was leading a match. Also, Bill Scanlon is full of it. All Mac is is genuine...Scanlon is a complete and utter moron.

Azzurri
01-03-2007, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=ipodtennispro;1108566]I am glad that everyone is in agreement that Mac's behavior is unacceptable.

I am a full time tennis coach and will not use any videos of McEnroe for teaching purposes because he is exactly the opposite if what I want my students to behave like. I wonder as a junior, in high school, or in college how many people he cheating on line calls or stalled opponents in matches.

Why would anybody feel any enjoyment playing this guy knowing he is going to have a blow-up? What I can't figure out is after all these years is he still hasn't learned anything. He looks so unhappy playing the game, something that I tell all our students all the time, "You have to a fun" playing the game.

There is a 46 shot rally on You Tube with Federer and Hewitt which Federer loses the point but turns around and smiles afterwards. You have to admire Federer for this. Most people would get ****ed off. You can only wonder how Mac would react.

The shame of it all is that there is nothing "Modern" about Mac's groundstroke game so I would never show footage of that anyway, however, his ability to hit on the rise and his volley techniques are far superior to any of the players today who struggle with the extreme grips.
As a commentator for the big networks I wonder why they haven't told him to either stop playing, or yank him. He is not a role model for future tennis players. Do the networks not see his split personality?

Unfortunately, his greatness is overshadowed by his bad sportsmanship and gamesmanship. We do not want future tennis players to think this is okay. My students will never know is greatness. Luckily, they have never seen him play.

You deserve some kind of medal or honor. You say those kids never saw Mac...that's like saying kids don't drink alcohol. Wake up.....you live in a capitalistic society and that society loves Mac. That is why he has not and will not be yanked. Also, he is the best...by far...commentator.

snapple
01-03-2007, 10:08 AM
Have to agree with Scanlon on this and I'm sure if you polled Mac's peers they would agree as well. While not to say that SOME of his outbursts were not genuine, I believe he clearly used theatrics as a means to control the tempo of the match and manipulate the psyche of his opponent.

eunjam
01-03-2007, 10:51 AM
Have to agree with Scanlon on this and I'm sure if you polled Mac's peers they would agree as well. While not to say that SOME of his outbursts were not genuine, I believe he clearly used theatrics as a means to control the tempo of the match and manipulate the psyche of his opponent.

either way.....it is UNDISPUTED......mc enroe is still an a-hole.

sure....great player....great volleys and reflexes in his day.....but still an a-hole.

the best part of this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAPwx3z950

is not that he gets hit.......but loses the point after he gets smacked.

HILARIOUS.

Rabbit
01-03-2007, 12:15 PM
edited per request

Rabbit
01-04-2007, 04:56 AM
edited per request

ChicagoJack
01-04-2007, 08:31 AM
If you read Bill Scanlon's book, he says that McEnroe does the tantrum thing not out of any genuine emotion, but rather he uses it just like he does his serve, to throw his opponents off. McEnroe never seems to throw a temper tantrum when he's winning...

Just food for thought.

Food for thought,

That reminds me of a true story. When I lived in the city, the guy in the condo across from me ( we shared a back terrace ) was the maitre d in the restaurant at a very small, posh private tennis club on the lake. One morning, my neighbor, upon seeing my yellow volkl bag slug over my shoulder made the comment, "I have one of those" which struck me as odd because the guy is an infrequent tennis player and volkl is not a brand you'd find at the local sportmart. When I mentioned my puzlement, he recounted an event that I think is quite revealing.

Johnny Mac was dining in the club lounge, as he was there doing a kids tennis clinic. Apparently the caesar salad Mac ordered was not to his liking. As my Maitre d freind walked by J Mac's table, Mac threw the salad right in his face, with quite a few F bombs as accompanying garnish. The entire dining room fell silent with disbelief, and there is my freind standing in his italian suit, ceaser dressing dripping from his nose, and romaine in his hair, getting cursed at. Mac later sincerely apologized, and part of the apology was the gift of an assortment of volkl bags. When I asked how the kids clinic went, my neighbor said that he is really great with the kids, but management is wise to limit his interaction with adults as much as possible.

I think Mac is one of those players who performs better when he is a little angry. I spent a few years behind a stove in french restaurants, and know there are chefs who really don't get it in gear and start to roll until soemthing happens to pss them off. The emotion is genuine, but the emotion is channeled into elevating performance level. For some people it is what they lean on in times of stress, when the chips are down, when backed into a corner. I think he is somebody who has anger as an element of internal motivation AND somedody who clearly has off the court emotional issues. I think he has both of those things. And I think he knows it, cannot overcome it, and is trying his best to deal with who he is. lord knows that must be a difficult task.

He never, ever, lost his temper when playing Borg, win, lose or draw. Just one more notable piece of the puzzle to the mystery.

-Jack

TenS_Ace
01-04-2007, 11:41 AM
Johnnie MAC has reportedly been ARRESTED !!......uhhhh with the interest that this thread has gathered, the "fashion police" happened to check this thread and the alledged videos....the Fashion Police have arrested Johnnie Mac for wearing those tight white shorts!!....:-D

alwaysatnet
01-04-2007, 04:39 PM
He should be in jail for wearing those Nadal capri pants. How desperate for attention is he anyway to be caught dead in those fashion disasters? He looks like Nadal's gay uncle in those. But then again, he is an a-hole who has never failed to fill a single second of commentator's air time with whatever happens to roll through his egocentric nogin at the time.

dpfrazier
01-05-2007, 08:10 AM
I've found that when writing a post, it's helpful to imagine that the person I'm responding to is in the room with me. This really helps to reduce the vitriol level in the post...

Azzurri
01-05-2007, 08:32 AM
I've found that when writing a post, it's helpful to imagine that the person I'm responding to is in the room with me. This really helps to reduce the vitriol level in the post...

good point and advice taken, but sometimes it would not be a good idea to have the person you disagree with in the same room.

superstition
01-06-2007, 07:41 PM
As for McEnroe's behavior.... I find it annoying, not only because it's rude, but because it wastes time. If I were the chair person, I'd give him point penalties for arguing. But, I enjoy watching him play a lot otherwise. He is one of the most fun players to watch, when he's playing, not complaining.

I've seen several of his matches on the seniors tour, and his outbursts were usually contrived. I think it is a combination of "the crowd expects this", "intimidate/distract the opponent", and "I'm genuinely annoyed".

alwaysatnet
01-06-2007, 08:15 PM
Okay,then how about this? McEnroe's capri pants aren't very masculine looking and and he would be better served not imitating the look of a man twenty years his junior.His attempts to appear "au currant" and hip just come off as lame and attention seeking.

FiveO
01-08-2007, 10:03 AM
quoted from: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1496703,00.html

'I never acted like a jerk against him ,' McEnroe would admit. [B]'I had too much respect.'



Which begs the question as to the respect he had for the rest of his opponents.



Another interesting read which includes quotes from JMc's playing peers can be found here:

http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html

The Gorilla
01-08-2007, 09:05 PM
quoted from: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1496703,00.html





Which begs the question as to the respect he had for the rest of his opponents.



Another interesting read which includes quotes from JMc's playing peers can be found here:

http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html

who keeps on deleting my posts?

mcenroe did beat up an old man,in an argument over an elevator,follow the link and read for yourself mod.

and for that he deserves our contempt.

alwaysatnet
01-09-2007, 06:27 AM
My post about McEnroe's airport rage,as a response to another poster's question,was also deleted.Is McEnroe's attorney in charge here? Research the matter.SFO airport vs. the McEnroe entourage.Why the censorship?

Rabbit
01-09-2007, 07:36 AM
Wait, I'm confused....is slappano the same as The Gorilla?

As to McEnroe's behavior, I found this quote from another reliable source:


I think Connors believes he has to hate everyone he plays [in order] to play better, and McEnroe hates just about everyone who can beat him. He used to hate Connors and me. Now he has to hate the top 50.

Lendl is a funny guy, accurate, but funny.

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 08:11 AM
This is a quote from Mac himself. I would believe what Mac has to say than anyone else. I hope this does not get deleted since there is no language nor am I arguing w/Rabbit.

As he does so well when analyzing tennis on television, McEnroe can be equally insightful, and often stunningly candid, when speaking about himself. In a detached, wizened tone, he explains that the on-court tirades during his pro career became "like a cigarette addiction. It's not really what I'm feeling, I'm just doing it because it's the habit. I'd go out on the court and suddenly I'm doing something and I'd be like, 'Why am I doing this?'"

Link below:

http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 08:42 AM
Hey RABBIT: This is for you with the upmost sincerity. This will help you understand my point that Mac, at times, went off even when leading a match by far. You said you did not recall, here is proof....the biggest proof I could find.:-D


This inability to accept anything from himself but the impossible beau ideal helps clear up one of the most misunderstood aspects of McEnroe's legacy. For all his talk about, and lasting reputation for, challenging authority, many of his outbursts (though often not the ones that made the 5 o'clock news) were actually directed at himself, a self-loathing that no amount of success or distance seems able to quell. Even in the 1981 first-round Wimbledon match against Tom Gullikson, in which two of Mac's most famous umpire-bashing phrases were born ("You cannot be serious!" and "You guys are the pits of the world"), his fulminations had begun with frustration over his own play. Despite the fact that he was ahead the entire match and won in straight sets, when he hit a volley long in the second set, he screamed out, "I'm so disgusting you shouldn't watch. Everybody leave." If Connors had said it, the crowd would have roared with laughter; instead you could have heard a strawberry drop. Coming from McEnroe's scowling, contorted mug, it was painful to watch.

Kaptain Karl
01-09-2007, 08:49 AM
This is a quote from Mac himself. I would believe what Mac has to say than anyone else.Because of what I do for a living, I'd estimate about one-third of people are *themselves* the worst judge of their own character. (IMO, Mac is "in company" with Bill Clinton, and Mark Foley -- to point to two well-known political figures.)

I don't believe Mac really *does* know how asinine he is, when in "Rant Mode."

It's not really what I'm feeling, I'm just doing it because it's the habit. I'd go out on the court and suddenly I'm doing something and I'd be like, 'Why am I doing this?'"I had a similar experience ... when I was in mid-tantrum at age 19. I thought, "This is dumb" and I have never acted like a three-year-old again. (I grew up; Mac has not.)

Lastly, as a HS Coach, I make sure to nip churlishness in the bud. My boys know they'll be defaulted if they act like jerks. It took only one time for the rest of the team to "get the message" that "Coach means it." Too bad nobody (Mom ... Dad) ever stopped Mac as a Junior player....

- KK

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 08:56 AM
Rabbit: Here is more for you. You see, before I read this I had this opinion about Mac. Looks like I am not the only one.

He won eight Grand Slam doubles championships, equaled his singles tally with a record 77 doubles tournament titles, and his impact on the U.S. Davis Cup team was almost Jordanesque.

Mac the iconoclast loved competing for the red, white and blue, and he led the United States to five world titles while compiling an unsurpassed 59-10 match record in the 12 years he played Davis Cup. One of his most memorable lines to an umpire came during a Davis Cup match against Argentina earlier in 1992, when after what he perceived as a bad call, he said to the American chairperson, "You're not just hurting me, you're hurting your entire country."

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 08:59 AM
Because of what I do for a living, I'd estimate about one-third of people are *themselves* the worst judge of their own character. (IMO, Mac is "in company" with Bill Clinton, and Mark Foley -- to point to two well-known political figures.)

I don't believe Mac really *does* know how asinine he is, when in "Rant Mode."

I had a similar experience ... when I was in mid-tantrum at age 19. I thought, "This is dumb" and I have never acted like a three-year-old again. (I grew up; Mac has not.)

Lastly, as a HS Coach, I make sure to nip churlishness in the bud. My boys know they'll be defaulted if they act like jerks. It took only one time for the rest of the team to "get the message" that "Coach means it." Too bad nobody (Mom ... Dad) ever stopped Mac as a Junior player....

- KK


Very educated and thoughtful response. Rabbit.....where are you? Maybe you should read this from Karl.

Yes...Mac never really grew up, but I doubt he did not try. Its just his nature to be a bully and hotheaded. I have to admit I love his thumbing the nose of society. :grin:

Kaptain Karl
01-09-2007, 09:41 AM
slappano - That Rubenstein piece is a good find....

Tom Hulce studied him for his role as the eccentric, half-crazed 18th century composer Mozart in the 1984 film Amadeus.
Wow! That's fascinating.

McEnroe insisted [Bud Collins] be removed from NBC's broadcast booth when he signed on with the network in 1994.
... And then I love Mac again. (I cannot stand Collins.)

- KK

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Collins is about as real as Frodo Baggins. Mac could not stand him (Collins). I remember reading something in the early-mid 80's with Mac having disdain for Collins's fakeness.

Rabbit....where for art thou?

Azzurri
01-09-2007, 09:49 AM
[QUOTE=Kaptain Karl;1159145]slappano - That Rubenstein piece is a good find....

Wonderful and insightful article!

FiveO
01-09-2007, 10:01 AM
[QUOTE=Kaptain Karl;1159145]slappano - That Rubenstein piece is a good find....

Wonderful and insightful article!

Yeah, I thought so.;)

10islobber
01-09-2007, 10:22 AM
I reckon you're right about McEnroe helping the promoters but not the game. I used to copy his style for years from wood to the Max 200g. His style was effective w/ serve-and-volley but unreliable groundstrokes with half-backswigs. Mc had to rely very much on his serve-and-volley, especially the first serve, to be effective. The volleys at the net were great and executed with ease. However, the longer the game progresses, the lower his winning percentage becomes because of the heavy racket.

I had switched to the Sampras racket about 4 years ago and it was quite a transition from a head-heavy racket to the light-head WPS 6.0 85, a player's racket, which one has to do more work to hit good shots e.g full backswings on the groundstrokes etc. At my age, 60, I must be nuts using this racket instead of a more user-friendly one, but what the heck! i get more exercise! :grin:

Deuce
01-09-2007, 08:24 PM
I saw that Rubinstein writing ('Being John McEnroe') a few years ago in a book store, and read it then. I liked it, as it differs from the 'norm'. I mentioned it a couple of times on this message board.

One of my favourite parts is
"Along the way, McEnroe has come dangerously close to becoming the thing he always claimed to hate most -- a phony -- portraying himself during telecasts and in interviews as a man-of-the-people who rides the subways and tells it like it is, while in his spare time he's shilling for companies like Nike, Heineken, Lincoln Navigator and Rogaine, and collecting cars and homes as if they were tennis trophies. His carefully chosen marketing deals, negotiated by his hard-driving consigliere father, John Sr., a corporate lawyer for a major Manhattan firm, have netted him an estimated $100 million, far more than anyone else to have played his sport. "

alwaysatnet
01-10-2007, 05:13 AM
This confirms what I posted before about his short lived cable talk show.What a steamy heap that show was.He lives among the glitterati in his upper west side Manhatten apartment and had pals like Katrina VandenHuvel (editor of The Nation magazine)on his show where his view of world events and the entire rest of the US were dismissive,crotchety and narrow minded to say the least.His hypocrisy is,and always has been,world class.He's always been a child of privilege and his tennis genius opened doors for him the rest of us could only dream of.He has always been disdainful of anyone he considered his inferior(almost everyone really)on and off the tennis court.Such a dreadful person blessed with such a charmed life.

Azzurri
01-10-2007, 10:04 AM
This confirms what I posted before about his short lived cable talk show.What a steamy heap that show was.He lives among the glitterati in his upper west side Manhatten apartment and had pals like Katrina VandenHuvel (editor of The Nation magazine)on his show where his view of world events and the entire rest of the US were dismissive,crotchety and narrow minded to say the least.His hypocrisy is,and always has been,world class.He's always been a child of privilege and his tennis genius opened doors for him the rest of us could only dream of.He has always been disdainful of anyone he considered his inferior(almost everyone really)on and off the tennis court.Such a dreadful person blessed with such a charmed life.

Folks! May I introduce Johnny Mac's cousin "Butch"....needless to say Butchie has been ignored by his cousin far too long.:grin:

I digressed....this assessment on Mac made me really think. I guess it can be difficult to worship a talented jerk.

alwaysatnet
01-10-2007, 12:56 PM
I'm not good enough to be his cousin.

eunjam
01-10-2007, 02:11 PM
as much as i hate mcenroe's antics....i hate bud collins even more.

nice article.

"If he would have been reprimanded more seriously early on, he may have been better off," says Bud Collins, who McEnroe insisted be removed from NBC's broadcast booth when he signed on with the network in 1994. "The rules never applied to him."

alwaysatnet
01-10-2007, 02:17 PM
Agreed.Sick to death of Bud and his stupid nicknames,his God awful ugly wallpaper looking pants,the no shoes tennis and his insipid inane comments.He is the Joe Garigiola of tennis.Enough said!

mctennis
01-10-2007, 04:08 PM
Oh grow up John. It's not funny anymore.

It wasn't funny back then when it was suppose to be funny.

Azzurri
01-11-2007, 01:07 PM
I'm not good enough to be his cousin.

Of course you are...maybe you are not good enough for Mac to even give you a quick glance. Maybe.....:D

One thought about Mac. People sometimes put these athletes on a pedestal. They are human just like us. Playing in front of large crowds and having things written and said about you has to be a little difficult. I am not making excuses for the guy, but these guys have to deal with pressures we will never know. I don't feel sorry for any of them...mind you, but it can't be easy. Mac belongs in an anger management group. He needs therapy. He has no self-control. After saying that...think about how many people you personally know that have the same issue. The guy is a human being, albeit not a very nice one. Love him for his gift. Despise him for his lack of humaneness.

I always said...I never want to meet my idol. Idols can crush a person with a snap of their finger. Its better to admire them from a distance. Met an idol of mine this past summer (Troy Aikman). Drove 8hrs to his HOF induction. Paid $317 to have him sign a jersey and ball. Named my boy (middle name) after him. When me and my 2 buddies got to his signing table he did not even give us a glancing look nor a thank you. It took my friend to say "Thanks Troy!" three times before he looked up at him with the most condescending look I have ever seen. Learned my lesson.:(

bluegrasser
01-11-2007, 01:23 PM
Of course you are...maybe you are not good enough for Mac to even give you a quick glance. Maybe.....:D

One thought about Mac. People sometimes put these athletes on a pedestal. They are human just like us. Playing in front of large crowds and having things written and said about you has to be a little difficult. I am not making excuses for the guy, but these guys have to deal with pressures we will never know. I don't feel sorry for any of them...mind you, but it can't be easy. Mac belongs in an anger management group. He needs therapy. He has no self-control. After saying that...think about how many people you personally know that have the same issue. The guy is a human being, albeit not a very nice one. Love him for his gift. Despise him for his lack of humaneness.

I always said...I never want to meet my idol. Idols can crush a person with a snap of their finger. Its better to admire them from a distance. Met an idol of mine this past summer (Troy Aikman). Drove 8hrs to his HOF induction. Paid $317 to have him sign a jersey and ball. Named my boy (middle name) after him. When me and my 2 buddies got to his signing table he did not even give us a glancing look nor a thank you. It took my friend to say "Thanks Troy!" three times before he looked up at him with the most condescending look I have ever seen. Learned my lesson.:(

IMO Troy was overated, yea, I know three Super Bowls, but if Trent Dilfer had that offensive line - he would of won three SB's also, shoot, Troy could eat breakfast and lunch in that pocket.
That's too bad so many of these athletes are ah$#2s, I met Kirby Puckett and he was great, always had time for you, my daughter also waited on him and said he was the greatest.

Azzurri
01-16-2007, 12:52 PM
IMO Troy was overated, yea, I know three Super Bowls, but if Trent Dilfer had that offensive line - he would of won three SB's also, shoot, Troy could eat breakfast and lunch in that pocket.
That's too bad so many of these athletes are ah$#2s, I met Kirby Puckett and he was great, always had time for you, my daughter also waited on him and said he was the greatest.

Yes...Troy did have a good team. All great players (the ones that won a few SB's) have a great cast. But in fairness, he was an excellent passer. He had tremendous ability to hit his receivers in stride. No offense to Dilfer, but if he were the starter we would have maybe...maybe won one. I don't think Dilfer would have won against Young and the SF cast of players in the early-mid
90's. Troy is a hall of famer...I won't take that away from him...as a person he belongs no where near Canton.

I heard Puckett was a very friendly person....ver, very rare. Too bad he died so young.:(

Grimjack
01-16-2007, 01:27 PM
That's too bad so many of these athletes are ah$#2s, I met Kirby Puckett and he was great, always had time for you, my daughter also waited on him and said he was the greatest.

Was this before or after Kirby went on trial for false imprisonment and gross sexual misconduct?

Before or after his wife publically accused him of holding a gun to her head and their two year old daughter? Of strangling her with an electrical cord? Of a whole history of spousal abuse?

Before or after it became revealed he had a whole second identity and second life he kept hidden from his family, and which caused him to threaten to kill his wife when she discovered it?

Mac may act like a jerk, but we'd all be a lot better off with more ###holes like Mac, and fewer "good guys" like psychopath ####ing Kirby Puckett.

Watch who you idol worship.

Rabbit
01-18-2007, 11:50 AM
Was this before or after Kirby went on trial for false imprisonment and gross sexual misconduct?

Before or after his wife publically accused him of holding a gun to her head and their two year old daughter? Of strangling her with an electrical cord? Of a whole history of spousal abuse?

Before or after it became revealed he had a whole second identity and second life he kept hidden from his family, and which caused him to threaten to kill his wife when she discovered it?

Mac may act like a jerk, but we'd all be a lot better off with more ###holes like Mac, and fewer "good guys" like psychopath ####ing Kirby Puckett.

Watch who you idol worship.

So, there I was, with some underpriviledged children over to the house, trying to show them a good wholesome web site. And what do I find but a discussion like this. Expletives everywhere....

My how the boards have sunk.

cghipp
01-18-2007, 12:14 PM
LOL - Looks like you're going back on your word! How long have you been waiting to pull the trigger on that one?My apologies. I realize that your posts are never off color or sarcastic in nature. I will strive to raise my brow from this point forward. I pledge it....nay, I swear it.

Rabbit
01-19-2007, 05:39 AM
I'm impressed!

cghipp
01-19-2007, 06:44 AM
I remembered the initial exchange because it seemed a bit surreal! I also have a tremendous capacity for retaining random, useless information. (Comes from a career in advertising.) But can I keep the same service motion from one week to the next? Forget about it!

Rabbit
01-21-2007, 08:05 AM
Yep, if it's a fact that won't make me a dime, I can't forget it....

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
02-04-2007, 07:23 PM
man, Mac is always a hissy fitter

jelle v
02-05-2007, 03:23 AM
I wish Lendl would come back:

http://iws.punahou.edu/user/lcouillard/Headhunting.mov


Hahaha, cool movie, thanks! How won? Did they shake hands afterwards? I hope Lendl won and that he refused to shake hands.

bluegrasser
02-05-2007, 06:22 AM
Was this before or after Kirby went on trial for false imprisonment and gross sexual misconduct?

Before or after his wife publically accused him of holding a gun to her head and their two year old daughter? Of strangling her with an electrical cord? Of a whole history of spousal abuse?

Before or after it became revealed he had a whole second identity and second life he kept hidden from his family, and which caused him to threaten to kill his wife when she discovered it?

Mac may act like a jerk, but we'd all be a lot better off with more ###holes like Mac, and fewer "good guys" like psychopath ####ing Kirby Puckett.

Watch who you idol worship.

Idol worship ! get real bud, - Kirby throughout his career was a gentleman and always had time for the fans, yes, he did have some bad times toward the end of his life and some were never proven. I never said the man was perfect, but a psychopath ? It's funny, but his wife Tonya was there at his memorial full of tears and accolades - there were problems, but he wasn't Attila the Hun (s?) !