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Fee
12-22-2006, 07:57 PM
Had to mention a current player so that it stays in this forum ;)

Justin wrote about working out with Pete in his SI.com column...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/justin_gimelstob/12/21/sampras.federer/index.html

and an excerpt...

But this column isn't about me -- it's about one of, if not the greatest, tennis players of all time. Everyone, me included, has been quick to anoint Roger Federer the new alpha male of tennis history. But after spending some time practicing with retired Pete Sampras, I think we've shortchanged Pistol Pete.

Sampras has participated in a few of the aforementioned charity/exhibition events this month, so obviously he has been practicing plenty. Since we live in such close proximity to each other in Los Angeles, working out together was a convenient fit. Our practices vary in intensity -- the main factors being how my back is feeling on that particular day and how motivated Pete is -- but the tennis Sampras is still capable of playing at 35 is astonishing.

...
I was laughed at and ridiculed in ATP Tour locker rooms a few years back when I defended John McEnroe when he was boasting about his ability to still compete at the highest levels of tennis in ideal conditions. (We were both proven right by the way, with his doubles win in San Jose earlier this year.) I will probably be mocked again when I make this statement:

Pete Sampras is currently playing at a level as high as anyone in the world except for Federer.

You'll have to read the rest to see how he backs that up. :)

ShooterMcMarco
12-22-2006, 08:04 PM
That would be cool if they would do a 3 setter. Pete Sampras, 2007 Wimbledon champion, hehe.

Sagittar
12-22-2006, 08:11 PM
sure he still got it , and sure is a great player if not the very best , and to cut things short federer ( i like him a looooot ) hasn't done what pete has done so i think we'll just wait and see ..

Sagittar
12-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Fee , do you really practise with sampras?!!
i am nor questioning your credibility but somehow (being living in a place way far from any pro player) i can't see myself playing with someone like him ?:)

Fee
12-22-2006, 08:19 PM
Sagittar, you need to read my post again. You know what the word 'excerpt' means, right?

Sagittar
12-22-2006, 08:25 PM
yeah i know , sorry :oops:

8PAQ
12-22-2006, 08:58 PM
So what's the big deal? Agassi got the 2005 US Open final at the same age that Sampras is now. He even took Federer to 4 sets in that final. Not to mention he won 3 consecutive 5 setters before that final.

Fee
12-22-2006, 08:58 PM
yeah i know , sorry :oops:

It's okay. Sometimes when you read things really fast you miss a key point here or there.

I asked Justin to try to sneak a Wimbledon trophy out of the house next time he's there, perhaps Pete won't notice since he has so many ;) {I didn't really ask him}.

Duzza
12-22-2006, 09:01 PM
Wow what a coincidence. Fee starts a thread about an article by J Gimelstob :p.
BTW Fee, I personally saw Baggy destroy him at the AO!

Fee
12-22-2006, 09:04 PM
Hooray for you. Justin takes full credit for getting Marcos on the road to international fame. He accepts his place in tennis history.


(was that comment supposed to hurt me somehow?)

Mick
12-22-2006, 09:09 PM
sampras looks good with that goatie :)

travlerajm
12-22-2006, 09:27 PM
I'd love to see Sampras ask for a wildcard at Wimbledon. It would cause quite a stir!

Duzza
12-22-2006, 09:48 PM
PS> I thought you said a Current player?

BigServer1
12-22-2006, 09:53 PM
I'd love to see Sampras ask for a wildcard at Wimbledon. It would cause quite a stir!

That would be quite the scene, indeed.

BaseLineBash
12-22-2006, 09:58 PM
Wimby '07 or a Charity match... Wouldn't that be great!

Polaris
12-22-2006, 10:04 PM
For a second, I thought that Justin was getting carried away, but he had the restraint to mention that Sampras can no longer handle the rigors of a full-blown pro schedule. I could buy the idea that Sampras could give most people on the tour a run for their money in a one-off three-set match not played on clay.

VGP
12-22-2006, 10:27 PM
I like how JG mentions that Sampras uses a gut/synth hybrid (I'm assuming a natural gut/polyester hybrid) to go with his modded Tour 90 or nCode Tour 90 or whatever "bigger than 85" racket he's using now.

Even on the little camera phone videos that another TTW member posted on Sampras vs. Ginepri, you can still hear that great pop on the Sampras serve.

Sampras still has game. I would love to see an exo against Fed in 2007.

BreakPoint
12-22-2006, 10:28 PM
I'd love to see Sampras ask for a wildcard at Wimbledon. It would cause quite a stir!
That would be the sports story of the decade: Ex-world champion coming out of retirement to take on and try to take out the current dominating world champion in their greatest venue - hey, if Rocky Balboa could do it, why not Pete? ;) LOL

StunLock
12-22-2006, 10:50 PM
the 90 frame looks huge on him, compare to his 85

Sagittar
12-22-2006, 11:00 PM
the 90 frame looks huge on him, compare to his 85

maybe it's a paintjob :D

Jet Rink
12-22-2006, 11:02 PM
"What so-called "experts" often fail to mention (and I use that term very loosely, considering that most people who spout opinions aren't qualified to do so) is how much the evolution of rackets and string have impacted the quality of the sport. Sampras now uses a racket with a little more surface area (compared to the squash-like racket he used to employ) and his weapon of choice features the in-vogue hybrid synthetic/gut string that enables players to increase the torque of the tennis ball by staggering amounts.


With the benefits of these equipment enhancements to a shoulder that I once described as "being touched by God," the tennis that is being produced in Pete's backyard (to clarify: on only one side of the court) is beyond impressive."

Interesting.

Jet

ChiefAce
12-22-2006, 11:16 PM
Well we all knew about the bigger head size, but I was wondering if he went poly/gut with the strings as well. I guess that story confirms it, Pete is open to all sorts of change now huh? I think Nadal would have a legit chance of beating Pete on any surface right now, he plays heavy spin like Bruguera but with more pace and has a much better serve. And we all know how well he passes.

No offense to Ginepri, but the guy went 24-26 this year and finished 51 in the world. He didn't exactly have a stellar year. So Pete beat him in a few exo's indoors? All that means is Pete is playing at a world class level, it doesn't mean he could come back and win Wimbledon. Ginepri said he thinks Pete could be top 30 right now, certainly nothing to laugh at.

I'd still like to see him take two wildcards so people can stop talking about it. One for Queen's and one for Wimbledon. You know inside as a competitor he would love to face two people. Federer, and of course Nadal. Federer for the obvious reasons, he wants to see exactly what kind of level Roger is really at. If Roger is really that darn good, and Nadal because he's of the new breed of youngsters coming up. I'm sure in his mind Pete has played both matches already.

I still think Fed would thrash him, his return game is so good and his passes so tough. The only thing that would keep Pete in it scorewise is his serve. No version of Pete would want any part of Roger on anything besides grass.

I hope he keeps playing these matches and continues his 4 days or so of practice a week, everyone wants to see him one more time on the big stage. The question is can he actually do anything? Or will some no name knock him out?

superman1
12-22-2006, 11:28 PM
The guy had a 3 year break, that's got to be enough to heal oneself after 12 years of the tennis grind. If Stallone can be in the shape that he is in at age 60 (just seems relevant now with the release of that film!), surely a 35 year-old Pete can pump up and be ready for Wimbledon next year. Even if he only wins one match, that would be awesome. The only thing he needs is his movement and endurance back, and he'll be fine.

I think we're only talking about this so much because Sampras retired early. The tennis got to his head and he hated it and that's why it quit. Had nothing to do with his body, like with Agassi. Andre would have been playing into his 40's if his back had held up. Sampras has no excuse!

VGP
12-22-2006, 11:30 PM
The question is can he actually do anything? Or will some no name knock him out?

Those are the big questions. Not to diss GJ or anything, but Sampras just wouldn't be match tough.

His best surface was grass, but some of his worst defeats came on grass. Corretja in a five setter on grass in the 2002 Davis Cup (not based on rankings, but the situation), Mark Keil in 1991 at Queens, and George Bastl at Wimbledon 2002.

It's not like a wild card automatically gets him up against Roddick, Nadal, or Federer....

VGP
12-22-2006, 11:37 PM
The guy had a 3 year break, that's got to be enough to heal oneself after 12 years of the tennis grind. If Stallone can be in the shape that he is in at age 60 (just seems relevant now with the release of that film!), surely a 35 year-old Pete can pump up and be ready for Wimbledon next year. Even if he only wins one match, that would be awesome. The only thing he needs is his movement and endurance back, and he'll be fine.

I think we're only talking about this so much because Sampras retired early. The tennis got to his head and he hated it and that's why it quit. Had nothing to do with his body, like with Agassi. Andre would have been playing into his 40's if his back had held up. Sampras has no excuse!


ummmm......the operative word there is FILM!. Rocky's a MOVIE CHARACTER.

What he's risking is like when Borg came back in 1991 and played Monte Carlo using a wood racket and lost (badly) to Jordi Arresse. Boris Becker was hitting with him at the time and he claimed that Bjorn "still could hit" just like Gimelstob is praising Sampras now....

Granted, he won't be using wood....or even his PS 85 with all-gut string jobs.

I don't think his layoff and return would have anywhere the results that Martina Hingis' comeback has. Even playing just Wimbledon (5-setters) and/or Queens is gonna happen....I'd love to be pleasantly disappointed.

superman1
12-22-2006, 11:44 PM
Stallone himself is in f'ing crazy shape. All the training scenes were real, and most of the boxing was real. He actually took those punches. Now he's getting even bigger for Rambo. It's a film, but it's not like Stallone is some CGI artificial creation that doesn't exist.

CanadianChic
12-22-2006, 11:54 PM
PS> I thought you said a Current player?


Hey Duzza, what's with the hammerin'? JG is a current player, only recovering from surgery at the moment. Why the sarcasm? That's just not like you bud. :confused:

VGP
12-23-2006, 12:00 AM
Stallone himself is in f'ing crazy shape. All the training scenes were real, and most of the boxing was real. He actually took those punches. Now he's getting even bigger for Rambo. It's a film, but it's not like Stallone is some CGI artificial creation that doesn't exist.

Don't get me wrong, I commend Stalone for getting into shape, but I saw him on "The Contender" and don't give me this "real" crap.

Now your gonna tell me that professional wrestling is real, right?

Duzza
12-23-2006, 01:21 AM
Hey Duzza, what's with the hammerin'? JG is a current player, only recovering from surgery at the moment. Why the sarcasm? That's just not like you bud. :confused:

LOL Just love taking a stab at JG for some reason....

OK.
12-23-2006, 01:58 AM
So what's the big deal? Agassi got the 2005 US Open final at the same age that Sampras is now. He even took Federer to 4 sets in that final. Not to mention he won 3 consecutive 5 setters before that final.
Good Point! :D

lambielspins
12-23-2006, 03:09 AM
The guy had a 3 year break, that's got to be enough to heal oneself after 12 years of the tennis grind. If Stallone can be in the shape that he is in at age 60 (just seems relevant now with the release of that film!), surely a 35 year-old Pete can pump up and be ready for Wimbledon next year. Even if he only wins one match, that would be awesome. The only thing he needs is his movement and endurance back, and he'll be fine.

I think we're only talking about this so much because Sampras retired early. The tennis got to his head and he hated it and that's why it quit. Had nothing to do with his body, like with Agassi. Andre would have been playing into his 40's if his back had held up. Sampras has no excuse!

Agassi is the exception rather then the rule. What he did as far as playing to that age at a high level was remarkable, it does not mean it should be expected of others, even the greatest players like Sampras. It is not common at all for guys to be playing into their mid 30s, especialy still close to their best. Ragging on Sampras for retiring at 31 is ridiculous, most players retire earlier then 31 these days, so he was still longer then most others, and he had already set every record and his game was already diminishing even though he won the U.S Open in his final year.

If Agassi was somehow playing into his mid 40s it would be on the challenger circuit, either that or this is the weakest group of mens players ever. Actually that thought crossed my mind a bit about the women when Navratilova at 47 won a first round match at Wimbledon 6-0, 6-1 and beat top 30 player Panova at Eastbourne. Men typicaly dont have that pathetic competition level the women do though and I would hope the current men dont either.

laurie
12-23-2006, 04:00 AM
Those are the big questions. Not to diss GJ or anything, but Sampras just wouldn't be match tough.

His best surface was grass, but some of his worst defeats came on grass. Corretja in a five setter on grass in the 2002 Davis Cup (not based on rankings, but the situation), Mark Keil in 1991 at Queens, and George Bastl at Wimbledon 2002.

It's not like a wild card automatically gets him up against Roddick, Nadal, or Federer....

I know its easy to say that because Sampras won 7 Wimbledons but I've always said that Sampras' best surface was hardcourts.

superman1
12-23-2006, 04:05 AM
I'm more of the Agassi school of thought which is, if you win a Grand Slam, you have no business retiring!

There's no excuse in this day and age for a 35 year-old to not be able to get into peak shape. Most players should retire earlier, but guys like Sampras and Agassi are exceptions. They are so f'ing good. And Sampras had it even easier because his game was to just throw in a big serve and then follow it to net. He didn't have to stand at the baseline and break down opponents like Agassi had to. And Agassi still lasted much longer than him.

Sampras obviously wants it. He's not fooling anyone by saying that he thinks about entering Wimbledon, but it's just a dream. It's obvious he wants it. If he works hard enough, there's no reason why it couldn't become a reality to come back and win a couple matches at Wimbledon again.

rob61
12-23-2006, 05:25 AM
earlier this year where Genepri easliy beat Sampras? Genepri had a look on his face as to say "sorry to do this to you dude" while Sampras was on the sidelines huffing and puffing and looking like he was going to collapse.

While he had his glory moments, I think professional tennis for Sampras has passed. In an interview he mentioned how he'd like to play Fed. WTH??? Fed would take him out with one hand tied behind his back.

Serious.... the ego. Oh well, he did well with his career and he needs to be happy with what he accomplished then. For now, retirement fits him well. Let him to do the exhibition matches for fun.

omniexist
12-23-2006, 05:58 AM
Well, I personally would love to see Sampras in Wimbledon again. I think we all agree the rigors of playing on the pro tour are way too much for him at this point. I'm thinking if he got back in great shape..you think he could cobble together a decent Wimbledon run?

VGP
12-23-2006, 07:54 AM
I know its easy to say that because Sampras won 7 Wimbledons but I've always said that Sampras' best surface was hardcourts.

I'd agree with that too, just like Michael Chang even though he won RG.

I'm just factoring age (body jarring) and past accomplishments (and what he's been saying) that Sampras would choose a grass court event.

Maybe if an opportunity came up on a faster indoor carpet surface.....

The Gorilla
12-23-2006, 08:03 AM
he could,without a shadow of a doubt,win queens.

Bjorn99
12-23-2006, 08:11 AM
Certain elite have mastered the issue of ageing. 35 is a young pup. Except for the fact that we need population reduction not addition, everyone would be living to three or four hundred, the technology is there, and certain lucky elites are enjoying it. Google on teleperes. That is what controls the cell and its ageing.

A guy I trained with for a while, Chris Chelios, is 44 and playing in the NHl, and is possibly one of the top twenty defencemen. Hockey, is a sport where you could get killed. Tennis is more rigorous in terms of stamina, but hockey can deal a cruel hand. So 35, again, is relatively young.

But if you all look at that picture of the old Greek hitting his serve, he has put on a quick fifteen pounds, and THAT is the killer. And it all seems to be around the tube, which can severely limit his agility. I think Sampras can do things and beat a lot of people, but Federer would make him look like what he is, the FORMER number one. But since I never liked Pete personally, but liked his game. I would love to see him have the guts to come out to Wimbledon. But I don't think he is man enough to do it.

BTW, Justin Gimelstob is a breath of fresh air in a culture of plastic void. Good on him. For having the guts to speak out on some issues.

AndrewD
12-23-2006, 08:17 AM
Gimelstob said almost exactly the same thing in his march SI blog, prior to Sampras not setting the world on fire in WTT and his exhibition with Ginepri. He was no less an 'expert' back then but it didn't seem to help greatly.

Regardless, Gimelstob is a professional tennis player BUT he's also a member of the press - writing in an American publication (albeit, on-line) for an American audience while also, one would imagine, trying to give the game's profile a boost. He's shown in the past that he's more than happy to indulge in a bit of sensationalism in order to bring in the readers (eg, his blog entry regarding the female players) so why would anyone imagine things are different this time? Also, Sampras is his good friend and practise partner so do we really think he's going to say that he wouldn't stand a chance against Federer? Same thing with Ginepri. Is he really going to say that Sampras would struggle to make the top 100 after he's just 'lost' a match to him? He's either going to sound like a poor loser, have people doubt the result more than they already do and, perhaps, be less inclined to buy a ticket for the next one. It's all well and good to be an 'expert' but it adds a bit more weight if you're an impartial one.

One other thing to consider, when you are weighing up Gimelstob's opinion, is that he recently lost an exhibition match to Petr Korda who, at 38, is three years older than Sampras. If he couldn't handle Korda, is it any wonder that he thinks the younger and more talented Sampras "is currently playing at a level as high as anyone in the world except for Federer" (as opposed to Sampras being able to play 'some' tennis -points, games, a set- of that standard; which I think would be a perfectly fair statement).

8PAQ
12-23-2006, 08:17 AM
he could,without a shadow of a doubt,win queens.

Here is his record there:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=0&query=Singles&selTournament=311&player=S402&x=19&y=6

He won twice (1999 and 1995) in 12 attempts. What makes you think that he would do better now? Last two times (2000 and 2001) he got beaten by a 19 and 20 year old Hewitt. Now we still have Hewitt and we also have Nadal and Roddick playing there. Any of those guys would take him down in straights.

drakulie
12-23-2006, 08:20 AM
I would like to see Pete come back as well, but in a real tournament he would get crushed, so what is the point?? In addition, if he loses badly to a no-name, it would not be good as it would take away from his mystique.

The other thing is, there would probably be too much hype about him only coming out of retirement because he would want to take out Fed to "secure his own greatness".

It's a no win for Pete.

VGP
12-23-2006, 08:21 AM
Bjorn99 - it's telomeres, the end of the linear chromosome. Moreover it's the breakdown of the funtion of telomerase that contributes to aging and chromosomal shortening. Telomeres are not the only thing "controlling" cellular aging. It's just one of the many measures of cellular aging.

The Gorilla
12-23-2006, 08:29 AM
Here is his record there:

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=0&query=Singles&selTournament=311&player=S402&x=19&y=6

He won twice (1999 and 1995) in 12 attempts. What makes you think that he would do better now? Last two times (2000 and 2001) he got beaten by a 19 and 20 year old Hewitt. Now we still have Hewitt and we also have Nadal and Roddick playing there. Any of those guys would take him down in straights.

he didn't really care about queens back then,he was just trying to peak at the right time for wimbledon,he didn't want to peak too early,it's bo3 sets and it's on grass,he's using a more powerful racquet which could mean much bigger servin,130-135mph,and a second serve as big as his old first serve,125-130,which would be genuinely frightening.Roddick is just a crap version of sampras anyway.Nadal's no good,he's only beaten crap players on grass,he'll never get a draw like that again,it's statistically impossible.

The Gorilla
12-23-2006, 08:31 AM
I would like to see Pete come back as well, but in a real tournament he would get crushed, so what is the point?? In addition, if he loses badly to a no-name, it would not be good as it would take away from his mystique.

The other thing is, there would probably be too much hype about him only coming out of retirement because he would want to take out Fed to "secure his own greatness".

It's a no win for Pete.



that's a good point,but if he plays queens,which fed never plays,he could bypass that completely.

VGP
12-23-2006, 08:36 AM
AndrewD - I'll take Justin Gimelstob's assesment with a grain of salt. There's a difference between players like Sampras and Korda and guys who never crack the top 50. One's an all-time great, and the other a former #2 and major title winner. Even though Justin Gimelstob's a current player out on the tour, he's never broken into the top 50 in singles.

Guys with relatively recent top 5 credentials would still have game. As for Justin, I'm sure he can tell the difference if he's getting the beat-down from a former number one, or a current top 20, but he gets the beat-down nonetheless.

sureshs
12-23-2006, 08:42 AM
Certain elite have mastered the issue of ageing. 35 is a young pup. Except for the fact that we need population reduction not addition, everyone would be living to three or four hundred, the technology is there, and certain lucky elites are enjoying it. Google on teleperes. That is what controls the cell and its ageing.

A guy I trained with for a while, Chris Chelios, is 44 and playing in the NHl, and is possibly one of the top twenty defencemen. Hockey, is a sport where you could get killed. Tennis is more rigorous in terms of stamina, but hockey can deal a cruel hand. So 35, again, is relatively young.

But if you all look at that picture of the old Greek hitting his serve, he has put on a quick fifteen pounds, and THAT is the killer. And it all seems to be around the tube, which can severely limit his agility. I think Sampras can do things and beat a lot of people, but Federer would make him look like what he is, the FORMER number one. But since I never liked Pete personally, but liked his game. I would love to see him have the guts to come out to Wimbledon. But I don't think he is man enough to do it.

BTW, Justin Gimelstob is a breath of fresh air in a culture of plastic void. Good on him. For having the guts to speak out on some issues.

It is telomere, not telepere. Each time they divide, your clock is ticking.

WhiteSox05CA
12-23-2006, 08:52 AM
Pete would knock the socks off the ATP!

Fee
12-23-2006, 08:58 AM
One other thing to consider, when you are weighing up Gimelstob's opinion, is that he recently lost an exhibition match to Petr Korda who, at 38, is three years older than Sampras. If he couldn't handle Korda, is it any wonder that he thinks the younger and more talented Sampras "is currently playing at a level as high as anyone in the world except for Federer" (as opposed to Sampras being able to play 'some' tennis -points, games, a set- of that standard; which I think would be a perfectly fair statement).

Andrew
You are correct, Justin lost an exo in the Caymans (on clay) to Korda. That loss is not nearly as stunning as the fact that he should never have been there in the first place. He had major back surgery on September 13 to repair 3 herniated/ruptured disks in his back and his left leg was measured at 57% of full strength two days after that match against Korda. For a serve and volley player not to have his legs underneath him during a match, it's a wonder he got 3 games out of that match (in my opinion).

I think Pete is 'up to something'. I'm not sure what it is, but I would not be surprised if we see more of him in 2007. He won't play Queens (that's a round robin tournament next year, by the way) and he sure as heck won't go back to Wimbledon, but he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame in July and I wouldn't be surprised if he does an exo or something there (especially since Samprasfanz are planning to be there in droves).

VGP
12-23-2006, 09:03 AM
Fee - I want you to get a photo with you and Justin and Pete in 2007.....

sureshs
12-23-2006, 09:10 AM
I would take some of these reviews with a pinch of salt. I have noticed lesser players like Gimelstob or Spadea say glowing things about Pete, Agassi or McEnroe. It is as if one bad word, and they are out. I think part of it is just pure sucking up as these players are close to retirement and need recommendations for whatever they want to do in the future. A little extra flattery of the powerful guys may be what is needed, as their credentials are not too good on their own. Guess this happens all over the world in every profession.

Fee
12-23-2006, 09:26 AM
Fee - I want you to get a photo with you and Justin and Pete in 2007.....

That would be awesome, I would definitely die happy. I'm going to visit JG at some point next year so I'll see if I can invent some reason to mosey up Sunset Blvd towards Beverly Hills and... ;)

federerforever
12-23-2006, 09:35 AM
I really see no reason why Sampras should not come back on the tour full time next year starting with grass season and continue full time until the end of the year. Federer is very close to embarassing all of Sampras' records so Sampras has absolutely nothing to loose and at least he shoud do whatever it takes to defend his legacy. And Sampras should come back not just for his own sake but to increase the interest in tennis and to gain more respect for his fans. Imagine how big the TV ratings would have been if Sampras would have met Federer in Wimbledon or US Open. It would have been Rocky Balboa played out in real life and I think if some non tennis fan would have heard that on TV then he or she would have tuned in to check it out and therefore TV ratings for this tennis event would have been the highest of this decade.

Fee
12-23-2006, 09:50 AM
I really see no reason why Sampras should not come back on the tour full time next year starting with grass season and continue full time until the end of the year.

What if he just plain doesn't want to?

Rabbit
12-23-2006, 10:05 AM
Fee, you should know by now that his wants have absolutely nothing to do with what he actually does. He and Davenport will be competing by the French, or else.

The Gorilla
12-23-2006, 10:23 AM
forget ocky balboa,if george foreman could win the wba heavyweight world title at 45,imagine what sampras can do with that new racquet.
he definitly won't be playing queens if it's a round robin tourny,but hye can play that german one,halle.

tennismike33
12-23-2006, 10:44 AM
We are trying to debate an issue that is a non-issue. Pete aruguably is one of the top 1-5, depending on where/age group you fall into of all time. IMHO I feel that I have seen the top 5 greatest tennis players of all time play. In no particular order mind you, Rod Laver, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, John McEnroe and Borg/Edberg/Pancho Gozales or a host of others that you can put in there.

I would love to sneak into Pete's backyard and just gawk at him practicing. The amount of things you could learn from watching this. Pete dominated 2 generations of tennis players and only played FED once and lost in 5 sets. Put this subject ot rest, Pete isn't coming back, BUT he would be able to compete on the ATP, top 10, maybe not, top 5 probably not, but as many of you have said, it would pretty to watch him hit that charge to the net jump overhead, just one more time!!!!!

dpfrazier
12-23-2006, 11:17 AM
I'm watching a replay of a WTT Smash Hits event held some time after the US Open this year. (Thanks, Tennis Channel!)

Pete is putting the hurt on Roddick. Serves, volleys, groundies from both sides. And this is no exhibition now, despite what it started out to be!

Andy just had two break points on Pete. First one, a serve-volley winner. The second (on a 3-3 game tiebreak), a trademark Sampras ace up the middle.

Pete just finished it off 3 and 3. He doesn't look like he's lost much, if anything, since 2002.

FYI, it looks like Pete was using an Ncode 6.1 95 (or at least something that's painted like one ;)) and had some different strings, according to one of the announcers. Probably poly or a poly/gut hybrid.

Mick
12-23-2006, 11:29 AM
I would like to see Pete come back as well, but in a real tournament he would get crushed, so what is the point?? In addition, if he loses badly to a no-name, it would not be good as it would take away from his mystique.

The other thing is, there would probably be too much hype about him only coming out of retirement because he would want to take out Fed to "secure his own greatness".

It's a no win for Pete.


But then again it is such a shame to have high caliber tennis skills and not use them at all.

EliteNinja
12-23-2006, 11:32 AM
I'd love to see a Sampras-Agassi exhibition/charity event.

I think that would raise a LOT of money for whatever charity they choose.

drakulie
12-23-2006, 11:45 AM
But then again it is such a shame to have high caliber tennis skills and not use them at all.

True. As I said, I would still love to see him play.

West Coast Ace
12-23-2006, 11:49 AM
Also, Sampras is his good friend and practise partner so do we really think he's going to say...AndrewD, thanks for bringing some sanity to this thread. The Sampras jock sniffing was getting out of hand.

And I'd add to what you said: JG is a UCLA grad. Who coaches the women's tennis team at UCLA? Stella Sampras.

Superman1, did Stallone undergo drug testing before/during the Rocky VI filming? I'll answer that for you: no! Highly likely Sly used all kinds of chems that would get him a 2 yr or lifetime ban from the ATP. If not 'roids, probably HGH and probably huge doses of caffeine.

And gang, it's not about the physical as much as the mental and emotional. Totally different mindset between playing Exhibitions and Tournaments. And emotionally, no way Sampras risks getting embarrassed - his ego is way too big for that.

Bjorn99
12-23-2006, 01:40 PM
Anyways the bottom line is that the guy can still play and it would be great to have him out there again. Three years of rest is PHENOMENAL for him. Probably the best thing ever. I think Nadal and Federer would make him suffer quite a bit, but he would probably make everyone else suffer as well. But Pete never liked being anything other than number one. Stay tuned.

And yes it is telemeres. And a certain scientist discovered how to prevent them from dividing. He is in private consultation. His fee, seven figures. Pete should look into it. He would stomp everyone for decades.

ShooterMcMarco
12-23-2006, 02:02 PM
I wish they would show more of his exhibitions and WTT matches. I only saw his first match and the exhibition against ginepri on clay.

thejackal
12-23-2006, 02:09 PM
Certain elite have mastered the issue of ageing. 35 is a young pup. Except for the fact that we need population reduction not addition, everyone would be living to three or four hundred, the technology is there, and certain lucky elites are enjoying it. Google on teleperes. That is what controls the cell and its ageing.

A guy I trained with for a while, Chris Chelios, is 44 and playing in the NHl, and is possibly one of the top twenty defencemen. Hockey, is a sport where you could get killed. Tennis is more rigorous in terms of stamina, but hockey can deal a cruel hand. So 35, again, is relatively young.

But if you all look at that picture of the old Greek hitting his serve, he has put on a quick fifteen pounds, and THAT is the killer. And it all seems to be around the tube, which can severely limit his agility. I think Sampras can do things and beat a lot of people, but Federer would make him look like what he is, the FORMER number one. But since I never liked Pete personally, but liked his game. I would love to see him have the guts to come out to Wimbledon. But I don't think he is man enough to do it.

BTW, Justin Gimelstob is a breath of fresh air in a culture of plastic void. Good on him. For having the guts to speak out on some issues.

Gordie Howe played pro hockey with his SONS. Now that's aging well. Chelios was a great player, but i think the game is past him

ATXtennisaddict
12-23-2006, 05:46 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/justin_gimelstob/12/21/sampras.federer/p1_sampras_1222.jpg

Not used to seeing him without his PS 85. and what's the deal with those socks??

JW10S
12-23-2006, 05:58 PM
I worry when Justin Gimelstob becomes the voice of reason...

SB
12-23-2006, 08:14 PM
...
A guy I trained with for a while, Chris Chelios, is 44 and playing in the NHl, and is possibly one of the top twenty defencemen....

It is amazing that Cheli is still playing at 44, but he isn't anywhere close to being a top 20 defenseman.

thejackal
12-23-2006, 08:17 PM
It is amazing that Cheli is still playing at 44, but he isn't anywhere close to being a top 20 defenseman.

This year he's barely top 5 with the Red Wings.

Fee
12-23-2006, 09:54 PM
And I'd add to what you said: JG is a UCLA grad. Who coaches the women's tennis team at UCLA? Stella Sampras.


He's not a UCLA grad, he was only there for about 18 months. He will eventually return to finish his degree.

I worry when Justin Gimelstob becomes the voice of reason...

If you knew him as well as I do, you wouldn't worry. He is a very reasonable guy, don't let his on court intensity/theatrics throw you.

Cavallino
12-23-2006, 10:44 PM
And what about the string draw???

It's a babolat string?

slice bh compliment
12-24-2006, 12:28 AM
Babolat, yeah, I would guess by the stencil. Could be VS team with a Hurricane or something?

The old thin double line logo -- it's a great look. It would be even cooler if he used a big old VS stencil on that baton rouge.

Another vote here against the low socks. It's like his golf buds shamed him into that. Or maybe his wife's tired of the sock tan at the calf.

Me, I just want some more Bjorn99.
Yeah, Gimel, anti-aging, Mac is a freak of nature. Pete's still great. But, can we please get a little more Bjorn99 up in here?

Mille grazie.

skraggle
12-24-2006, 01:46 AM
I'm watching a replay of a WTT Smash Hits event held some time after the US Open this year. (Thanks, Tennis Channel!)

Pete is putting the hurt on Roddick. Serves, volleys, groundies from both sides. And this is no exhibition now, despite what it started out to be!

Andy just had two break points on Pete. First one, a serve-volley winner. The second (on a 3-3 game tiebreak), a trademark Sampras ace up the middle.

Pete just finished it off 3 and 3. He doesn't look like he's lost much, if anything, since 2002.

FYI, it looks like Pete was using an Ncode 6.1 95 (or at least something that's painted like one ;)) and had some different strings, according to one of the announcers. Probably poly or a poly/gut hybrid.

I was there in the first row, and Pete looked great. Chewing gum and smacking winners. To my eye, he was playing a 6.1 95 like you thought. But to be honest, Andy was just there for show and didn't really give full effort. After the match I heard him complaining to BJK that Pete went all out when it was supposed to be just for fun. (Also there was a painfully thin Kournikova. It was sad watching this little skeleton trying to compete.)

Pete was one of the very best, but I saw him get beat soundly in singles by a qualifier-level guy in a televised WTT event earlier in the year...

mi_suga(r)?
12-25-2006, 09:29 PM
i believe Pete still has everything to win anyone, everyone...
...whatever You ask for in prayer, BELIEVE that You have received it; and it will be yours...
MARK 11:24
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Don't ever let somebody tell You You can't do something...You got a dream, You gotta protect it... if You want something, go get it. Period.-
-Chris Gardner, in The Pursuite Of Happiness(in theaters this Christmas).

mi_suga(r)?
12-25-2006, 10:09 PM
Pete-
- Greek via Latin, "stone, rock."

"...And I say unto thee,
That thou are Peter,
and upon this rock
I will build my church."-Matthew 16:18

superman1
12-27-2006, 12:42 AM
But to be honest, Andy was just there for show and didn't really give full effort. After the match I heard him complaining to BJK that Pete went all out when it was supposed to be just for fun.

Wow, that's a pretty bad excuse. Sampras was smacking gum the entire match and Roddick was looking dead serious the entire time, so of the two I'd say it was Roddick who took it more seriously. Sampras was schooling him with both his 1st and 2nd serve, and he was hitting clean winners off of Roddick's 2nd serve. Roddick was vaulting his entire body trying to return serve, and he was sprinting at full speed for drop volleys. Certainly didn't seem like he was playing at half level. It did seem like he was playing badly, and that's because he was allowed no rhythm. It was mostly a serving contest and Sampras won it.

Sampras still has the best 1st/2nd serve combo in the world, and that alone automatically places him in the top 50. His forehand is also beautiful, so bump him up to the top 30. His backhand and volleys are also looking quite good. His movement and fitness need work. Agassi the Punisher would beat him today because of that.

alwaysatnet
01-01-2007, 07:33 AM
It's Pete's world and if he wants to come back he should,despite what the paranoid,haters among us would have you think(The dreaded Gimelstob-Stella Sampras connection,you know).On a limited basis,on the right surface,at his choosing Pete could still do a LOT of damage with what is still the world's best serve and volley game.If he misses the charge of competition he should do it.He has nothing to prove and his place among the greatest ever is very secure.

mi_suga(r)?
01-01-2007, 01:26 PM
It's Pete's world and if he wants to come back he should,despite what the paranoid,haters among us would have you think(The dreaded Gimelstob-Stella Sampras connection,you know).On a limited basis,on the right surface,at his choosing Pete could still do a LOT of damage with what is still the world's best serve and volley game.If he misses the charge of competition he should do it.He has nothing to prove and his place among the greatest ever is very secure.
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"...Some, like P.S.(Pete Sampras)... hide their killer instinct and unshakeable self-esteem behind gentelmenexteriors...."(by N. Shekar)
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To me Pete still the ONE no -matter-what. Pete can do a lot , I mean a LOT. His "serve and volley game"!....- "attire" just wish to have in my tennis bag...

caesar66
01-01-2007, 02:35 PM
pete's probably my favorite player of all time right behind rafter, but he'd get smoked by pretty much everyone in the top 100. He got it pretty well handed to him in WTT by jan michael gambill who hasnt really even come back on tour in years earlier last year. Exhibitions are great, and its great to see him actually playing tennis, but I think he belongs in the seniors tour having fun, not in the atp getting trod upon. Does anyone really think he could stand a full season of tennis? heck even a two week grand slam could be tough on him, i cant imagine him grinding out a five setter against the nineteen and twenty year olds that he'd be playing against, or even the older pros that are still competitive. I'd rather him sit on the pedestal that he's created for himself with his career than watch him crumble in a coming out of retirement attempt.

alwaysatnet
01-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Caesar66- I have to agree with your sentiment.And yet...and yet if he played Wimbledon or the US Open he could do very well. Don't judge Pete by how he played his few matches for WTT.He was out of shape and clearly didn't take it real seriously.To play Wimbledon would be a serious commitment for him and I don't expect him to come back but athletes unretiring are pretty common now.He could be a very dangerous guy at Wimbledon and could take out a lot of guys with his serve and volleys to back it up.Of course there is still this guy named Federer to contend with but it's all up to Pete.

mi_suga(r)?
01-03-2007, 10:08 PM
pete's probably my favorite player of all time right behind rafter, but he'd get smoked by pretty much everyone in the top 100. He got it pretty well handed to him in WTT by jan michael gambill who hasnt really even come back on tour in years earlier last year. Exhibitions are great, and its great to see him actually playing tennis, but I think he belongs in the seniors tour having fun, not in the atp getting trod upon. Does anyone really think he could stand a full season of tennis? heck even a two week grand slam could be tough on him, i cant imagine him grinding out a five setter against the nineteen and twenty year olds that he'd be playing against, or even the older pros that are still competitive. I'd rather him sit on the pedestal that he's created for himself with his career than watch him crumble in a coming out of retirement attempt.

...i do. I do really think PETE CAN WIN anyone, everyone;
"...no ifs, no buts, no maybes..."-Barnes; just watch the "Jams For Charity"(believe that was the title?!) on TENNIS CHANNEL, when he took over Tood Martin, and u will find all the answers for all your Q's.
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"...it's all up to Pete."
-alwaysatnet(THANK YOU! i couldn't say it better.....)
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...But first he was stripped and then he was stabbed
By faceless men, well , f.....s
He still stands

And he still gives his love, he just gives it away
The love he receives is the love that is saved
And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky
A human being that was given to fly...

* PEARL JAM "Given To Fly"
* (heard that he likes that group)
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PETE BELIEVE IN YOURSELF! WE BELIEVE IN YOU!!!!!

West Coast Ace
01-04-2007, 03:30 AM
He's not a UCLA grad, he was only there for about 18 months. He will eventually return to finish his degree.



If you knew him as well as I do, you wouldn't worry. He is a very reasonable guy, don't let his on court intensity/theatrics throw you.Didn't graduate - gee, shoot me for that egregious error.

I hadn't even thought of Justin's oncourt stuff - I just think he's a So Cal, USTA cheerleader on this subject because he come from a very biased place.

And I don't begrudge people who live in areas not served by the Tours for going to exo's - or because they fund good causes - but don't come back to these boards and talk nonsense about the validity of the results.

Sampras is retired - move on...

alwaysatnet
01-04-2007, 04:57 PM
Spoken like a grump and true crank. Speculation is 98% of what keeps this board going. It's nobodys fault if Pete Sampras happens to be much beloved...by most people.

Fee
01-04-2007, 06:44 PM
Didn't graduate - gee, shoot me for that egregious error.

Do you need a nap or something? Some of your posts seem grumpier than I would expect from you today. Shoot me for giving you the correct information, that was all I was trying to do.

I hadn't even thought of Justin's oncourt stuff - I just think he's a So Cal, USTA cheerleader on this subject because he come from a very biased place.

My comment about Justin's on court behavior was a response to someone else, but I don't think he would describe himself as a 'So Cal, USTA cheerleader' (whatever that means). Yes, he has a friendship with Pete, and yes he's been working out with him, but if you think he was put up to writing that column by someone else, I think you are sadly mistaken. :)

superstition
01-06-2007, 08:01 PM
Actually that thought crossed my mind a bit about the women when Navratilova at 47 won a first round match at Wimbledon 6-0, 6-1 and beat top 30 player Panova at Eastbourne. Men typicaly dont have that pathetic competition level the women do though and I would hope the current men dont either.
Martina had an 86-1 record one year in the 80s and holds the record for Wimbledon victories. If you think it's "pathetic" that she could stomp a clay court baseliner playing on grass for the first time ever... Hingis happened to beat that girl recently 6-1 6-3, and that was on hard court. Men's tennis and women's tennis have players who are not at the top of the game. That doesn't make either sport "pathetic".

Martina Navratilova also won every mixed slam title except the French (which she would have won if her partner hadn't become seriously injured shortly before they were to close out the match) in her 40s. I think her singles wins are hardly an example of a "pathetic" women's game. I'd like to see you play Henin-Hardenne.

superstition
01-06-2007, 08:03 PM
Sampras could definitely come back and do pretty well, if.... he would adopt a really punishing training schedule. I don't think he has much incentive to do that. And, since the grass court season has shrunk continually, the balls are heavy, and Wimbledon is on rye, it's not an environment that suits his style of play.

West Coast Ace
01-07-2007, 09:28 AM
Do you need a nap or something? Some of your posts seem grumpier than I would expect from you today. Shoot me for giving you the correct information, that was all I was trying to do.



My comment about Justin's on court behavior was a response to someone else, but I don't think he would describe himself as a 'So Cal, USTA cheerleader' (whatever that means). Yes, he has a friendship with Pete, and yes he's been working out with him, but if you think he was put up to writing that column by someone else, I think you are sadly mistaken. :)It was just a minor error - didn't need to be pointed out - unless it made you feel superior to know more 'Justin Gimelstob Trivia' than I.

By cheerleader I just meant someone with a bias - and with your admission of a friendship you affirm that.

I'm never grumpy - have a great life. But I will point out BS when I see it - and on these boards there's enough to keep a golf course green.

Fee
01-07-2007, 11:08 AM
No Ace, I don't need or want to feel superior to anyone, but giving someone a college degree that they havent earned is not a minor error in my book.

Yes, Justin has a friendship with Pete, but I was more drawn to your 'USTA' comment I suppose. I guess I focused on that organization as a seperate entity and that is why your comment kind of threw me.

Eviscerator
01-08-2007, 09:26 AM
I am beginning to detect an anti-Sampras bias on the part of a certain west coast poster.:mrgreen:

In all seriousness, anyone who could both sum up and diminish Pete Sampras's career by saying he was a "serve and not much more" cannot be taken seriously on the subject.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=108882&page=5

alwaysatnet
01-09-2007, 05:44 AM
Amen to that brother. Some people are blinded by their prejudices and become willfully ignorant.Without mentioning any names(initials are WAC,which he seems to be)this guy actually posted the opinion that Pete would be just an average ladder player without his serve! Everything he says,therefore,must be taken lightly or disregarded altoghether.

BiGGieStuFF
01-09-2007, 06:17 AM
http://www.petesampras.com.ar/pete-sampras8.jpg

I AM HAIRY THEREFORE I WIN.

slice bh compliment
01-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Speaking of chest hair.....Austin Powers had a world ranking. I just don't remember which decade that was.

alwaysatnet
01-10-2007, 05:37 AM
His hairy torso is a sign of virility and power.It's what helps make him an Alpha Tennis Player and causes lesser tennis foes to cower and give up hope before most matches even start.Only an equally hairy opponent,like Agassi,could challenge him,though ultimately,unsuccessfully.All hail the Alpha Tennis Champion!