Rate my NTRP?

[[ GTR ]]

Sorry I don't have any video's or pictures of myself playing but I don't want to self rate my self because I think it's inaccurate. So I'm just gonna describe myself as best I can and could you guys please rate what level you think I am?

About me: I play 4 or 5 times a week for about 3 to 4 hours each time. I play for my junior high school team, junior comp, group coaching and the rest would be practicing on a wall but mostly serves and volleys.

Strengths: Very strong forehand with power, spin and placement. A good percentage of 1st serves at around 70-80% of the time (I don't play the serve 'safe', lollypop it or whatever you call it). Can hit second serves with kick, slice, topspin with placement and the swing speed is just about as fast as my 1st serve. My favourite shot is the weak midcourt ball to my forehand and can spank it pretty well for a winnner. My passing shots are very good even though I don't practice them and I rarely have to hit passing shots because no one comes to the net. People I play say I have a great defence game because of my movement and speed. I forgot to mention my mental game is really good, I hardly get angry on the court, never smash my racquet and after a bad miss/shot I'll just forget about it and move onto the next point.

Other things you need to know:
Although I'm not very physically strong a lot of people say I hit pretty hard for my size and accelerate fast through my shots, I can use the ncode 90 tour without any shoulder, wrist problems/injuries...etc. I am very fast around the court with very good footwork but probably bad foot work for volleying. I have very good endurance/stamina and hardly I get tired throughout a match. I could be compared to Lleyton Hewitt as not being very strong, fast on the court but I don't play a counter punching game. I would say my game is aggressive but I am consistent as well.

I can hit my backhand hard with topspin and slice but it is no where near my forehand. I wouldn't consider my backhand as very weak and attackable but the guys with heavy spin bouncing high troubles me.

The things I'm working on:
Volleying more, approach shots and smashes. The volleys and smashes would probably be my weakest shots but I'm still working hard on them. My approaches are normally heavy topsinned, deep shots or slice backhands down the line.

Well that's all I can think of now and please ask me anything that I've missed out and what level do you think I am at. I don't believe in self rating but if you asked me, I would say a strong 3.5 but I dont really know if that's accurate.

Thanks for reading,
GTR

[Duzza]

Umm video is good. It always cracks me up when people combine the words "very strong [insert stroke]" and "about 3.5-4.0"

[[ GTR ]]

Umm video is good. It always cracks me up when people combine the words "very strong [insert stroke]" and "about 3.5-4.0"

I don't have access to video. Could you rate me?

[Solat]

do you have an ITN? you should have one if you play comp tennis in Aus

there is a chart which tells you how ITN compares to NTPR

[FH2FH]

We sound very similar and I'm a 3.5. I win matches when I aim to be consistent and not give up on anything. At this level people get frustrated when they don't get any free points. When I can play slightly more aggressive over a set I can compete with 4.0's, but I have trouble maintaining a high level, error free match. I'm solid from the baseline, but need to work on other areas, particularly net game and transition.

[tarheels2323]

There's a good reason that self rating doesn't work well. It's your own (often mistaken) opinion of your game. Without seeing you hit, that's all that this would be too. Your "very strong" forehand likely isn't what you think it is, and you say that you don't "lollypop" your serve in reference to not playing your serve safe when a kick serve in the middle of the box (as well as others) is just as safe for a higher level player (safe, but stupid) as moving your racquet two inches to "lollypop" the ball over the net.

Edit: That sounded kind of mean. I just mean to say that without an objective viewpoint, you can't accurately rate someone. Ratings are overrated anyway.

[cak]

If you are playing on a junior high team you are too young to play leagues or adult tournaments,(not to mention you are an ocean away from USTA) so I'm not sure what you want the rating for. If you are looking for a rating just to tell folks your rating you can pretty much tell them anything you want. In that case you might as well go high, tell them you are a 4.5 or something. If you are playing other kids under age 19 they are probably doing the same thing.

NTRP ratings work because they aren't really based on what your game or strokes look like, but how you do against the competition. In the US you can get that same feel by wandering down to some courts and playing against various folks out there. If you play a few matches against some computer rated 3.5s, and you are playing even, then, assuming they were taking the match seriously, you are probably equivalent to a 3.5. As someone up thread mentioned, there is a ITN conversion chart, that kind of works for matching players on vacations abroad. If you have an ITN number you could come up with a NTRP number that's about right.

[Andres]

There's a good reason that self rating doesn't work well. It's your own (often mistaken) opinion of your game. Without seeing you hit, that's all that this would be too. Your "very strong" forehand likely isn't what you think it is
Exactly. I don't consider ANY of my shots "very strong" (I don't particulary hit hard), but depending on the opponent, I can blow them off court with any of them.
Video is a must

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[[ GTR ]]

There's a good reason that self rating doesn't work well. It's your own (often mistaken) opinion of your game. Without seeing you hit, that's all that this would be too. Your "very strong" forehand likely isn't what you think it is, and you say that you don't "lollypop" your serve in reference to not playing your serve safe when a kick serve in the middle of the box (as well as others) is just as safe for a higher level player (safe, but stupid) as moving your racquet two inches to "lollypop" the ball over the net.

Edit: That sounded kind of mean. I just mean to say that without an objective viewpoint, you can't accurately rate someone. Ratings are overrated anyway.

My forehand is really what I think it is as very strong. I can hit it hard and consistently, on the run and good passsing shots. I get your point about a kick serve in the middle is just about safe for higher players but I guess the competition I play with are not serious about their tennis. I've never actually seen someone hit a second serve hard with kick or slice around the area I play (not including the adult players).

On the deuce court, I hit the kicker down the T, ad court out wide. Think that's safe? Not showing off and all but just asking.

Thanks anyways.

[zapvor]

VIDEO i mean i can say my forehand is liek Federer and serves like Sampras. so can you rate me now? i guess if i have to rate myself, about 5.0...
hahahhahahahahhaa

[Sagittar]

unfortunatly they are all right but since you're so desperate for a rating i say you're about high 3.5 could be 4.0
hope you're satisfied now :)

[shindemac]

How long have u been playing?

[[ GTR ]]

VIDEO i mean i can say my forehand is liek Federer and serves like Sampras. so can you rate me now? i guess if i have to rate myself, about 5.0...
hahahhahahahahhaa

Hahahahahahhahahaha, That's funny....

I tried to describe myself as best I can and if you don't have anything good to say then shut it. Not just one a paragraph...

[[ GTR ]]

How long have u been playing?

About 4-5 years.

[x Southpaw x]

;1132087']Hahahahahahhahahaha, That's funny....

I tried to describe myself as best I can and if you don't have anything good to say then shut it. Not just one a paragraph...

The hours you spent describing and talking about yourself doesn't justify your brain power nor your right to shut people up

[West Coast Ace]

In the US you can get that same feel by wandering down to some courts and playing against various folks out there.Pretty much what I was thinking - join a tennis ladder - at the end of the season he should have a pretty good gauge based on the average ratings of those he beat and those he lost to.

While I would tend to agree a video would help, I'd caution against putting too much into it. You see his strokes but not where the ball's landing.

Odd that between his school coach and group coach he can't find anyone to do it in person.

And to the OP, lighten up a little when you come asking for help. You throw in so much information - you could be a 3.5 or a 5.5. 'Fast' is very relative.

[dvikasmishra]

My forehand is great, backhand is good too.
I hit winner from both of them, cross court and down the line.
Aggressive return of serve is my speciality.
I can serve & volley.
I can place my second serves wide and on T.

All this is good when I am playing around 3.0-3.5 players.

With higher 3.5 or 4.0, normally my net play goes out first. The pace is
faster. To compensate for net play, I have to force winner off of
my great forehand ( not so great now). That is when I start making unforce
errors. Some of these guys, do attack my second serve if not placed so well.
I have learnt to handle these guys.

Of late , I have been practing with strong 4 ( or 4.5). You know what?
I realise I am slow on the court. There are very points that I win at the net.
There isn't enough skid on my volleys to trouble them.
I realise I do not split step on volleys or serve returns.
My backhand slice is not effective against these guys.
I realise my anticipation is not good.
Most of all, My legs are tired at the end of matches.

Against weaker players, everything looks so good, till you face a good player.

Your personnel assesment is based on type of player that you are playing against.

I am strong 3.5( strong) player.

[tarheels2323]

;1131961']My forehand is really what I think it is as very strong. I can hit it hard and consistently, on the run and good passsing shots. I get your point about a kick serve in the middle is just about safe for higher players but I guess the competition I play with are not serious about their tennis. I've never actually seen someone hit a second serve hard with kick or slice around the area I play (not including the adult players).

On the deuce court, I hit the kicker down the T, ad court out wide. Think that's safe? Not showing off and all but just asking.

Thanks anyways.

No, Federer's forehand is very strong. Someone that plays Futures events has a strong forehand. My forehand is decent (I'm a 5.0 and my forehand is my strongest stroke) Your forehand is probably so-so, but when you compare it to your weaker compeition (as you said, they're not very serious about tennis) it seems strong. Your forehand may be your strongest stroke, but nobody stops in their tracks to admire it, do they? I might be wrong, but again, I can't tell without a video. My suggestion is to either post one or have a pro at your club evaluate you.

Edit: About your serve: if you get your first serve in it should produce a weaker than normal return to set up the point, so you're just doing what should be done by trying to hit the corners, but change it up; if you can tell me what you do on every serve in less than a sentence, it's too predictable. You should probably also try to start hitting with some better players if you've never seen a decent second serve.

[Spindarella]

Based on the way you said the things you said, I would predict that you are a 3.0 and MAYBE a 3.5 but almost certainly not more than that yet. Buy you are young still and if you have a good coach your rating can jump very quickly when you grow. Work on your variety. If you can describe your game in that few words, you arent doing enough different things with the ball.

[Duzza]

;1131496']I don't have access to video. Could you rate me?

Seeing as I'm in Australia too, no :D. Fly down to Melbourne and we'll have a hit, maybe I can tell you then.

[Duzza]

No, Federer's forehand is very strong. Someone that plays Futures events has a strong forehand. My forehand is decent (I'm a 5.0 and my forehand is my strongest stroke) Your forehand is probably so-so, but when you compare it to your weaker compeition (as you said, they're not very serious about tennis) it seems strong. Your forehand may be your strongest stroke, but nobody stops in their tracks to admire it, do they? I might be wrong, but again, I can't tell without a video. My suggestion is to either post one or have a pro at your club evaluate you.

Edit: About your serve: if you get your first serve in it should produce a weaker than normal return to set up the point, so you're just doing what should be done by trying to hit the corners, but change it up; if you can tell me what you do on every serve in less than a sentence, it's too predictable. You should probably also try to start hitting with some better players if you've never seen a decent second serve.
First paragraph is what I was getting at. But hey? If it makes them feel good, why not!

[zapvor]

The hours you spent describing and talking about yourself doesn't justify your brain power nor your right to shut people up

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH.

yea come on i wanna see some video. judging by what you wrote, theres nothing to be shamed about posting a video. and i am being honest. do you honestly expect a accurate reply to your question without a video? and you missed my point in the first place, but i fear repeating it wont do any good.

i think tarheels2323 is right.

EDIT: southpaw you crack me up hahhaa