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Power Game
08-22-2004, 12:53 PM
I just watched Massu take Fish for the gold medal.. I never really paid attention to him, but he has game. I mean, 10 sets in 24hrs!!

I really like his service toss. It reminds me of Goran.

Any tips on how to train yourself to hit the ball at the top of its peak, without having a toss that is too low?

Bungalo Bill
08-22-2004, 01:37 PM
I just watched Massu take Fish for the gold medal.. I never really paid attention to him, but he has game. I mean, 10 sets in 24hrs!!

I really like his service toss. It reminds me of Goran.

Any tips on how to train yourself to hit the ball at the top of its peak, without having a toss that is too low?

Yes, you can try and learn to toss it like Roddick sometimes does and how Roscoe Tanner used to toss. I already commented about this in another article. Toss with an outward arc. As the ball arcs up and outward, you have time to get your service motion going because it is already in motion in order to execute this type of toss.

With a fast motion and a ball that will like be more still when you hit it, you will understand how Roddick, Sampras, and Tanner can get so much power in their serve.

It isn't for everyone, but go and practice it and give it a month of good solid work and then make a judgment call.

twocents
08-23-2004, 09:38 AM
I want to know what Massu had stashed in the bathroom when he took a "Bathroom Break" and where I can get some. The guy looked like he was going to die on the court from his previous match that ended 3:00 am that morning. He then mysteriously took a bathroom break and then coming back on the court continued to play like he was on top of his game again. Gatorade doesn't work like that !!!!

Bungalo Bill
08-23-2004, 10:41 AM
I want to know what Massu had stashed in the bathroom when he took a "Bathroom Break" and where I can get some. The guy looked like he was going to die on the court from his previous match that ended 3:00 am that morning. He then mysteriously took a bathroom break and then coming back on the court continued to play like he was on top of his game again. Gatorade doesn't work like that !!!!

You saw that too! I thought I was going crazy! I watched the match in slow motion and replayed certain areas of the match that looked so different. I have TiVO and saved it so I can study it tonight again.

He looked like a different man coming out of that locker room. Something happened in that locker room. Not to take away his fighting spirit and the mental mistakes Fish made, but something happened.

Power Game
08-23-2004, 03:10 PM
Thanks Bungalo Bill,
Hey guys, once you figure out what it was, let me know, cause I want some too :D

Bungalo Bill
08-23-2004, 03:12 PM
The question is "was it legal?"

Was it approriate to call an injury time out, then go into the locker room unescorted by the trainer? At least that is what I saw and this is the part I will review tonight.

I am not sure of the rules regarding this. But I do think some sort of escort is needed in case a player does something weird in the locker room while he is on his own.

Bungalo Bill
08-23-2004, 03:40 PM
Interesting part of the article I read on this guy Massu.

"I just don't understand how someone gets less and less tired, keeps going hour after hour. I'm in pretty good shape, and I was getting tired there at the end" said Fish.

On changeovers, Massu would take his time, then sit back, exhale and drink something or munch on an energy bar. Massu moved his extra chair -- usually where players put towels or spare rackets -- and plopped his legs up, using the seat like an ottoman.

When Fish broke to open the third set, Massu stepped gingerly to grab some water, as if walking barefoot on hot sand. Fish then held at love for a 2-0 edge, ending the game with two aces that Massu simply watched fly past, not even raising his racket.

The humidity couldn't have helped; Fish changed out of sweat-soaked shirts four times. Still, Massu wasn't visited by the trainer until after the third set, when he got his left thigh massaged.

As much as Massu was struggling, Fish repeatedly let him off the hook, once dumping a backhand into the net after the Chilean tripped. After another miscue, Fish knelt and punched his racket.

Suddenly, Massu started playing more fluidly. (My comments: It is this suddenly that baffles me, as this happened once he returned from the locker room) When he served out the fourth set, Massu hopped to his chair, the match exactly three hours old.

Now, Fish was the one trudging over, head down.

"I had a second life," Massu said.

Massu broke for a 3-2 edge in the fifth with a running forehand passing winner. He held serve the rest of the way, and after one last shot by Fish drifted wide, Massu dropped to the court on his back, arms and legs spread, chest heaving.

When Massu finally rose, Fish came around to that side of the court, and they hugged.

A member of the group of fans loudly chanting "Chi-chi-chi, le-le-le, Vi-va Chi-le!" all night tossed Massu a red-white-and-blue Chilean flag. He draped it over his head, then was lifted into the stands so he could celebrate with his coach.

Massu wasn't about to climb up on his own.

Oh well, it was a great match to see how tennis is also very much an endurance sport. We may never know what really happened in that locker room.

Power Game
08-23-2004, 05:01 PM
When you say that the low toss is not for everyone, after seeing my video, do you think it is for me? I will definately try it though

Bungalo Bill
08-23-2004, 05:09 PM
When you say that the low toss is not for everyone, after seeing my video, do you think it is for me? I will definately try it though

No I believe it is purely a prefence item within parameters. Most players will toss the ball a little higher allowing the ball to drop to the strike zone from no more than two feet higher.

There are those players that like a high toss so that they can induce more topspin on the ball. The ball coming down and gaining speed and a racquet face going up to meet the ball can produce more spin.

However, a high toss also requires better timing as the ball gains speed and is only in the contact spot for a very short time vs. hitting the ball at its peak. So there could be a tradeoff with consistency. Also, a high toss makes the serve more difficult in windy conditions.

When I say it is not right for everyone it is a personal decision. All I can do is give you the pros and cons.

Power Game
08-23-2004, 05:24 PM
I see, Thanks
I will try it though, my goal is to hit let the ball drop about 1 ft before hitting. I noticed that if i really try to hit the ball early I can get more spin on my second serves.

lendl lives
08-24-2004, 09:38 AM
crap. i watched all 5 sets on tape then at 5-3 in the 5th the tape stopped and started to rewind. i was a bit upset last night to say the least. i just found out who won by reading this post. i kinda thought fish was going down though. dang.

eagle
09-23-2004, 04:09 AM
Hi,

I've always struggled to get consistent serves. I've read and have tried a number of styles over time to improve consistency and effectiveness. To name a few, I've tried the Sampras, Agassi, Ivanisevic, and even the Becker serves but for the most part got spotty results.

I tried the Massu serve and it works for me. Hitting the ball at its peak while it is relatively motionless or traveling with the least velocity seems to work for me. I don't have to work as hard to strike the ball at the right time while it is in motion. I guess I see the ball much better and have been able to time it just right to get the ball in play with consistency in terms of pace, spin, and direction.

So, it's a good thing I watched the Olympics doubles and singles semis and finals matches. Who says watching TV matches can't improve one's game?

It did for me ... at least for now. :)

r,
eagle

splink779
09-23-2004, 03:44 PM
C'mon, I can't believe some of you think he drugged up during the break. Its called a second wind! (or in his case a 3rd or 4th). It hapens all the time. Maybe he just really thought about the opportunity he had and that drove him.