that's a modern fh wrap around, is it?

[Ross K]

Couldn't get response about fh issue with Verdasco on different thread, so...

From the footage I've seen of Verdasco and his highly impressive fh (and I'm reaaally liking the look of his strokes), he seems to finish wrapping high up over his shoulder EVERY time. Having spent considerable time and effort altering my own finish to end up around either chest or waist, my point is: isn't Verdasco's finish more of an old school finish? Ie, isn't the modern fh - (incorporating loading racquet high up over shoulder, double-bend, butt-pull, windscreen wipe ball, etc) - wrap around finish meant to be at either chest height or waist height, or is this information actually incorrect? Could somebody please clarify this (and in some detail if poss.)

Many thanks...

[JohnYandell]

Ross,

What is often called the modern forehand is actually a variation in the modern game.

You can finish over the shoulder, around the shoulder, lower, or over the head (reverse). There is no one modern finish. It's situational and players with different grips depending on their preferences can use all of these.

John Yandell

[Ross K]

John,

Thanks for your response. I take your points regarding grip types and situational circumstances. I wonder though...

1. Is it possible for you or somebody else to clarify further about the specifics regarding where your wrap around finish is located and the type of shot this produces. For example, is it true that a low wrap around finish (about, say, level of the waist region) goes with a lower, flatter shot?

2. What, if any, is the relationship between the different wrap around finish positions and the windscreen wiper motion? For example, isn't the WW made harder to execute by finishing way up over shoulder?

3. Am I wrong in thinking this high over the shoulder finish is now generally less prevelant among pro players?

Many thanks...

[Tennismastery]

John,

Thanks for your response. I take your points regarding grip types and situational circumstances. I wonder though...

1. Is it possible for you or somebody else to clarify further about the specifics regarding where your wrap around finish is located and the type of shot this produces. For example, is it true that a low wrap around finish (about, say, level of the waist region) goes with a lower, flatter shot?

2. What, if any, is the relationship between the different wrap around finish positions and the windscreen wiper motion? For example, isn't the WW made harder to execute by finishing way up over shoulder?

3. Am I wrong in thinking this high over the shoulder finish is now generally less prevelant among pro players?

Many thanks...

A low finish does not necessarily mean a flatter shot. If you are using a full western grip, you will come up dramatically, then using a wiper finish, you can end up down by your left hip (right handed forehand). It makes sense too, that if you want to elongate your finish you would go from very low to very high then to very low again. This provides a longer 'relaxation' phase of the stroke than just finishing over the shoulder. However, this is more evident with western grip forehands

Most pros can have three to four finishes as John Yandell mentioned earlier in this thread depending on situation and preference.

[Ross K]

Appreciated.

[10ispro]

as mentioned above, its all situational.
The vertical finish like Nadal and sharapova are used by many players when on the run and attempting to increase topspin.
the inverted or smaller windsield wiper finish is often used to create more angle.
The horizontal finish is often to drive through a ball in an upper level strike zone.
rainbow larger wiper finish is often for loopy topspin.
traditional elevated finish for rallying or hitting deeper into the court.
also, as mentioned, grips, playing style etc..determine which is best.
All different finishes for different situations--that is why people need to look at more than just technique to understand the technique being used. Everything is situationally based. The game and Strokes/technique has evolved to adapt to situations. Thus--teaching needs to do the same--there is no one way anymore.
Bottom line becomes " is it efficient and is it effective". It needs to be both in the modern game.

[Ross K]

as mentioned above, its all situational.
The vertical finish like Nadal and sharapova are used by many players when on the run and attempting to increase topspin.
the inverted or smaller windsield wiper finish is often used to create more angle.
The horizontal finish is often to drive through a ball in an upper level strike zone.
rainbow larger wiper finish is often for loopy topspin.

All different finishes for different situations--that is why people need to look at more than just technique to understand the technique being used. Everything is situationally based. The game and Strokes/technique has evolved to adapt to situations. Thus--teaching needs to do the same--there is no one way anymore.
Bottom line becomes " is it efficient and is it effective". It needs to be both in the modern game.

Very interesting indeed to have these specific situations detailed - just what I was after!

Cheers...