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Rabbit
01-21-2007, 03:06 PM
I read this book over the Christmas holdiays. I really liked this one. It went through the whole of Scanlon's career. Scanlon pulled no punches when giving his opinioin on other players, especially his nemisis John McEnroe.

He has an entire chapter devoted to equipment, both new and old. The most interesting factoid that I garnered from this is that a wood racket usually lasted the pros about 3 to 5 weeks.

Also of great interest to me was Scanlon's take on the frame he used. He used the Jack Kramer Auto, ProStaff, and one other variant. He said that all 3 frames were exactly the same and that he thought he couldn't pass a blindfold test with them. He said he played with all 3 during his career. I found this of particular interest in light of the things that are posted on these boards. I posted long ago that we "overthink" our equipment at our level and it appears that I may have actually gotten one thing right. :)

Scanlon explains the WCT versus the ITF battle in great and interesting detail. He goes through the war that raged between the powers that ran tennis and how the ATP finally became a player in the running of the sport. He doesn't arrive at this conclusion, but I find it very interesting that once the ATP gained control of the sport and began to run it "right", interest from the fans began to wane and the tennis boom began to taper off.

Scanlon talks about the driving force behind the tour, which is money. It's the same story for pros. It ain't about the money IF you have the money. Scanlon talks about the decisions he had to make regarding tournament play, how he was basically at the whim of his agents.

I would recommend this book to anyone who played tennis in the 70s or has an interest in the dawn of the professional game as we know it today. This book was a really good read.

Voltron
01-21-2007, 03:11 PM
Cool, is the name of the book "bad news for McEnroe" or something else. I'd really like to read it.

Voltron
01-21-2007, 03:11 PM
I didn't play tennis in the 70s though, does that really make or break the book?

FiveO
01-21-2007, 03:18 PM
Also of great interest to me was Scanlon's take on the frame he used. He used the Jack Kramer Auto, ProStaff, and one other variant. He said that all 3 frames were exactly the same and that he thought he couldn't pass a blindfold test with them. He said he played with all 3 during his career. I found this of particular interest in light of the things that are posted on these boards. I posted long ago that we "overthink" our equipment at our level and it appears that I may have actually gotten one thing right. :)

Copy that until the advent of frames of the "Profile" ilk. Very, very, different. I hadn't met a frame prior that I sensed such difficulty in keeping the ball in the same zip code in which I was playing. When I first experimented with that frame I felt I needed a shower though I never broke a sweat with it.

Legend has it that a ball one of my hitting partners struck with that frame was found in the stomach of a Great White shark during a post mortem of a specimen caught off Montauk Point approximately 8 months later.

...I would recommend this book to anyone who played tennis in the 70s or has an interest in the dawn of the professional game as we know it today. This book was a really good read.

Thanks for the review. I'm there.

Rabbit
01-21-2007, 04:49 PM
Cool, is the name of the book "bad news for McEnroe" or something else. I'd really like to read it.

Yes, that is the name. Scanlon explains the title of the book inside.

I didn't play tennis in the 70s though, does that really make or break the book?

Nope. If you like the history of tennis, or hearing war stories, you'll like this one. He talks about all of the guys from back then.

Copy that until the advent of frames of the "Profile" ilk. Very, very, different. I hadn't met a frame prior that I sensed such difficulty in keeping the ball in the same zip code in which I was playing. When I first experimented with that frame I felt I needed a shower though I never broke a sweat with it.

Legend has it that a ball one of my hitting partners struck with that frame was found in the stomach of a Great White shark during a post mortem of a specimen caught off Montauk Point approximately 8 months later.



Thanks for the review. I'm there.

Ditto on the Profile. Too heavy....too thick...too powerful.....

My next tennis book is one about Bobby Riggs that I got for Christmas from TW. I'll post my thoughts on it when I get through.

spt
01-21-2007, 05:29 PM
Rabbit,

It has been several months since I have read the book. I like his stories from the tour. I had a problem with the chapter on equipment. Did you remember some of the facts differently than he describes?

Grimjack
01-22-2007, 05:45 AM
Who the hell told Scanlon he ought to write a book? LOL.

Anything negative a career turd like Scanlon says about the all-time greats can only be a monumental case of sour grapes, and ought to be disregarded out of hand. This guy was irrelevant in his heyday -- wtf is he doing resurfacing now? Shame on the publisher for foisting this upon the readership of the world.

Rabbit
01-22-2007, 06:16 AM
Rabbit,

It has been several months since I have read the book. I like his stories from the tour. I had a problem with the chapter on equipment. Did you remember some of the facts differently than he describes?

Yeah, I did too. He references wood frames as 85 square inches more than once. He also said that Nastase used a Kramer Auto painted like an Adidas Haillet when I think it was really a Dunlop frame. To my knowledge, Nastase never used a Wilson frame. There was some other stuff, I'll have to go back and reread for cite specific examples.

Who the hell told Scanlon he ought to write a book? LOL.

Anything negative a career turd like Scanlon says about the all-time greats can only be a monumental case of sour grapes, and ought to be disregarded out of hand. This guy was irrelevant in his heyday -- wtf is he doing resurfacing now? Shame on the publisher for foisting this upon the readership of the world.

Maybe you should read the book before making such an ignorant statement. Who said all Scanlon said was negative? Maybe you should write a book on negative turds, it could be autobiographical.

alwaysatnet
01-22-2007, 06:20 AM
Perhaps if you read the book before dismissing it you might have a more tolerant view. His views on the players he played with or against are as valid as anyones. If an all time jerk like McEnroe gets to write a book, then why not this guy? Anyone who hates the Super Brat can't be all bad.

Ash Doyle
01-22-2007, 07:03 AM
I don't have much to add to what Rabbit said, but I too have read the book and very much enjoyed it. This book along with "BreakPoint" by Vince Spadea are my two favorite books written by pros about the tour.

NoBadMojo
01-22-2007, 08:04 AM
I havent read the book, but <seem to> remember Scanlon wasnt well liked by the public nor his fellow pros back then. he was far from a household name and was pretty much a non factor out there..hardly book material IMO. I think he won a handful of lesser titles in his career, but didnt he also record a Golden Set once? If he didnt use Mac's name in the title of the book he would have sold maybe 4 copies of the book.

alwaysatnet
01-22-2007, 08:50 AM
I havent read the book, but <seem to> remember Scanlon wasnt well liked by the public nor his fellow pros back then. he was far from a household name and was pretty much a non factor out there..hardly book material IMO. I think he won a handful of lesser titles in his career, but didnt he also record a Golden Set once? If he didnt use Mac's name in the title of the book he would have sold maybe 4 copies of the book.I hope you aren't implying that only famous popular players should be able to write books. Let the marketplace dictate who get's read or not.

NoBadMojo
01-22-2007, 08:58 AM
I hope you aren't implying that only famous popular players should be able to write books. Let the marketplace dictate who get's read or not.

no. of course i'm not. i would think that would go w.o saying

alwaysatnet
01-22-2007, 09:01 AM
Then my mistake for confusing your intent...

SC in MA
01-22-2007, 11:08 AM
I saw Scanlon win a tournament in Maui back in late 70's I think it was. I was surprised how talented he was. He was a very smooth player who made the game look extremely easy. He had a very fluid, smooth serve with an easy motion that produced rockets with his Jack Kramer wood racket. I thought he would become a Top 10 player for sure. What happened ?

FiveO
01-22-2007, 11:36 AM
Scanlon reached 14 tour finals winning six.

He reached a career high of #9 in 1984.

Rabbit
01-22-2007, 11:43 AM
According to Scanlon, there were a couple of things. First, he was very promising and as such was sought out by agents. Agents then try to seal deals. One of the deals was with Fila. Fila was going to be an all inclusive deal like Lendl had with Adidas and later Mizuno. Scanlon would play with Fila rackets. They tried over an extended period of time to get him a frame he liked, but it never worked out. This, according to Scanlon hurt him some.

The biggest dent in his game was the fact that he came along right when wood was going to graphite. He never could adjust to the newer frames and consequently was kind of left behind by the game ala Jimmy Arias.

Scanlon is very honest about his career. He says that he was promsing, but something got lost in the shuffle. Whereas Spadea is still on the hunt, thinking (as he has to) that he can win it all, Scanlon has the perspective of more than a few years away from the tour to assess his real status. I think he does a good job.

Scanlon was friendly with Lendl on tour, along with Nastase, Gerualaits, and a few others. He explains the rift with McEnroe, and it sounds plausible to me given the other things I've read about McEnroe. No big deal and Scanlon is up front about giving anyone kudos on their careers when they deserve it. I think he even goes so far as to say McEnroe was the better player.

Anyway, it's a great read for a tennis fan.

AndrewD
01-22-2007, 02:43 PM
Rabbit,
Scanlon's take on the equipment sounds interesting. In Peter Bodo's 1978 book, 'Inside Tennis: a year on the pro tour' Scanlon speaks at length about his problems on tour and with the Fila racquet (Fila rep Matrin Mulligan also weighs in with his opinion) and you're left with the feeling that he is a guy who struggles with the slightest change to his universe - even if it is only cosmetic. He also seems to be someone who is, slightly, out of step with the rest of the pro tour (wide-eyed, intelligent but not necessarily smart) although he does seem to be widely liked, if not understood, by the bulk of the players.

Is that pretty much how he comes off in his book?

Rabbit
01-22-2007, 04:01 PM
Yep. He tells the story of how he finally decided to go to graphite. He was going to make the switch at a tournament and wound up warming up with none other than Rod Laver. Laver was warming him up and Scanlon couldn't put two balls in the court. Laver was commenting on this and making Scanlon more and more of a head case in the process. Scanlon digresses to mention that Laver left his Dunlops for a while to play with Chemhold with disastrous results. Scanlon says he literally ran from the court, back to his room, got his Kramers and played his first round match at the tournament.

The first round match was against a little known Brazilian player named Hocevar. Scanlon won 6-2, 6-0. The 6-0 set was also tennis history, it was a Golden Set. Scanlon's fate with wood was sealed.

Zets147
01-22-2007, 04:08 PM
Awesome! Has the Golden Set been achieved only once in all of tennis history?

alwaysatnet
01-22-2007, 04:27 PM
For that alone (Golden Set) Scanlon is not the nonentity some would claim. I remember him as being talented and feisty and not someone to put up with crap from McEnroe.

stormholloway
01-22-2007, 06:15 PM
Well I was born in 1980 and have heard of Bill Scanlon many times, so he couldn't be that irrelevant.

Esatsan
01-23-2007, 11:37 AM
"He also said that Nastase used a Kramer Auto painted like an Adidas Haillet when I think it was really a Dunlop frame. To my knowledge, Nastase never used a Wilson frame."

Correct.
Nastase - according to his autobiography painted his Dunlop Maxply to look like an adidas, I never saw a reference to Wilson in his book. He complains that Adidas could never get the racquet right, never as good as his beloved Dunlop.

Rabbit
01-24-2007, 10:33 AM
Yeah, I pretty much remember Nastase going from the Fort to a the Haillet (Fort painted to look like a Haillet) and then a succession of frames. I bought a Haillet new back when they made them and still have it. They later changed the name to the Nastase Master. I also have the follow on aluminum frame that Nastase used, the ADS 550. This was a nice frame and Adidas' answer to the Red Head or Head Master (the Professional was the blue one, right?). Anyway, I have it as well.

travlerajm
01-24-2007, 10:47 AM
Yes, that is the name. Scanlon explains the title of the book inside.



Nope. If you like the history of tennis, or hearing war stories, you'll like this one. He talks about all of the guys from back then.



Ditto on the Profile. Too heavy....too thick...too powerful.....

My next tennis book is one about Bobby Riggs that I got for Christmas from TW. I'll post my thoughts on it when I get through.

I was a proud user of the Profile 2.7 OS for 10 years - I strung it with Problend at 78 lbs, and I could still serve over 120 with ease. It was the best serve and volley frame in history, bar none. And flat laser 2hbs could be hit with pinpoint accuracy due to its stiffness. Unfortunately, It's not spin-friendly enough to permit dippers and short angles.

Nuke
01-24-2007, 11:49 AM
I took a look at that book and read the "equipment" chapter. Something that jumped out at me a couple of times was the "Dunlop Maxfli" racquet. The Maxfli is a golf ball; the racquet was the Maxply. Odd mistake to make from someone who played in the wood era. And there seemed to be lots of stories about matches where Scanlon was not present. But there were coauthors involved, and maybe a tennis-illiterate copyeditor, so who knows how involved Scanlon really was in the writing of this book.

Azzurri
01-24-2007, 12:26 PM
Who the hell told Scanlon he ought to write a book? LOL.

Anything negative a career turd like Scanlon says about the all-time greats can only be a monumental case of sour grapes, and ought to be disregarded out of hand. This guy was irrelevant in his heyday -- wtf is he doing resurfacing now? Shame on the publisher for foisting this upon the readership of the world.

You said it Grimjack! Scanlon is a buffoon. His opinion means little.

thor's hammer
10-12-2009, 07:52 AM
I was Googling something today and stumbled across "Bad News for McEnroe". a preview of which is available via Google books...

http://books.google.com/books?id=7sQrX0I5wZcC&lpg=PA38&dq=Bill%20Scanlon%20%20MAc%20and%20Me&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q=Bill%20Scanlon%20%20MAc%20and%20Me&f=false

According to the web site the preview allows a certain number of pages to be viewed and then access is cut off, but I've scanned a few pages and haven't hit the limit yet.

Thought some of you might like to have a peek.

Fedace
10-12-2009, 07:58 AM
I know they didn't like each other but why is he still picking on JP Mcenroe ??

muddlehead
10-12-2009, 08:30 AM
54 yrs old. just said yesterday to a friend as he saw the kramer woodie on my garage wall that all wood rackets were the same. feeling smart now. have used only 5 rackets my whole life. kramer, ashe competition, black aluminum prince pro, wilson profile widebody 110 till 9 months ago. currently and for next 20 years wilson k six one 95.

hoodjem
10-12-2009, 09:37 AM
^^^ No Pro Staff 6.0 in there. Too bad.

(I feel sorry for anyone who never knew the joys of that great old racquet. But I'm sure they don't mind, and would resent my sympathy.)

jyjyj
10-12-2009, 10:57 AM
I was Googling something today and stumbled across "Bad News for McEnroe". a preview of which is available via Google books...

http://books.google.com/books?id=7sQrX0I5wZcC&lpg=PA38&dq=Bill%20Scanlon%20%20MAc%20and%20Me&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q=Bill%20Scanlon%20%20MAc%20and%20Me&f=false

According to the web site the preview allows a certain number of pages to be viewed and then access is cut off, but I've scanned a few pages and haven't hit the limit yet.

Thought some of you might like to have a peek.

That's awesome. Thanks for the link. I just got sucked into reading a couple chapters instead of working. (Don't tell my boss!) But I noticed a couple things that seemed factually inaccurate in the "equipment" chapter.

Maybe I'm wrong, but he repeatedly refers to Rod Laver's Dunlop racquet as the "Maxfli" model. I thought it was was the "Maxply." Then later, he refers to "John McEnroe's Pro Staff." I always thought McEnroe played a Jack Kramer Pro Staff, and that the only "McEnroe edition" racquet was after he switched to Dunlop. (Maybe I'm being picky about the way it's written, and that he's simply referring to the Pro Staff that McEnroe used...)

Anyway, still an interesting read.

jyjyj
10-12-2009, 11:13 AM
Wow. I totally missed someone a few posts earlier. I didn't mean to double-up! My apologies. (I'd delete mine, but I don't have the ability to edit posts yet...)

Sorry Nuke!

hoodjem
10-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but he repeatedly refers to Rod Laver's Dunlop racquet as the "Maxfli" model. I thought it was was the "Maxply."
It is the Dunlop Maxply Fort.

Chopin
10-12-2009, 07:29 PM
He gets stuff wrong as far as equipment goes. I would take much of what he says with a grain of salt.

pmerk34
10-13-2009, 04:52 AM
He gets stuff wrong as far as equipment goes. I would take much of what he says with a grain of salt.

I wouldn't. He played on the tour so his insights have value.

slice bh compliment
10-13-2009, 06:36 AM
There's a Lendl story in there that's really great. Revealing w/o being salacious.

Scanlon's a good man. Very nice game, too, even now in his 50s.

jyjyj
10-13-2009, 01:18 PM
I think Scanlon's obviously a good and knowledgable source. I bet any errors in the book are the fault of a sloppy editor.

pmerk34
10-13-2009, 01:25 PM
I think Scanlon's obviously a good and knowledgable source. I bet any errors in the book are the fault of a sloppy editor.

Getting the exact model of racquet right means nothing. It's the insights and first hand accounts that are interesting

Chopin
10-13-2009, 01:26 PM
I wouldn't. He played on the tour so his insights have value.

Err, but he literally gets basic racquet facts wrong (who was using what). Also, he's not exactly the most objective guy out there--I mean come on, his book is named "Bad News for McEnroe."

Karlovic's Sunglasses
10-13-2009, 01:26 PM
Sounds like something I'll be buying soon.

pmerk34
10-13-2009, 01:30 PM
Err, but he literally gets basic racquet facts wrong (who was using what). Also, he's not exactly the most objective guy out there--I mean come on, his book is named "Bad News for McEnroe."

Maybe becuase Mac is a jerk and again who cares about the exact models of frames.

Chopin
10-13-2009, 01:38 PM
Maybe becuase Mac is a jerk and again who cares about the exact models of frames.

It's not the exact models--it's claiming that other plays used certain racquets and just generally having an agenda.

Others have also pointed out the amount of stories Scanlon tells in which he was not literally present. I personally would not put too much weight on his discussion of equipment, but that's just me.

DNShade
10-13-2009, 01:43 PM
Err, but he literally gets basic racquet facts wrong (who was using what). Also, he's not exactly the most objective guy out there--I mean come on, his book is named "Bad News for McEnroe."

That's because "My thoughts on tennis by Bill Scanlon" wouldn't sell except to a few tennis buffs. But put Mac's name on the cover and people might actually care and buy the book. Kind of funny due to their past that Bill has to use Mac's name to sell his book.

NLBwell
10-13-2009, 08:13 PM
When he was at Trinity, he and the team would always beat Rice, which irritated me. Later, he kept beating McEnroe, who I liked watching most of all. That irritated me too. Still, I did like watching him play.

film1
10-13-2009, 09:17 PM
I read this book over the Christmas holdiays. I really liked this one. It went through the whole of Scanlon's career. Scanlon pulled no punches when giving his opinioin on other players, especially his nemisis John McEnroe.

He has an entire chapter devoted to equipment, both new and old. The most interesting factoid that I garnered from this is that a wood racket usually lasted the pros about 3 to 5 weeks.

Also of great interest to me was Scanlon's take on the frame he used. He used the Jack Kramer Auto, ProStaff, and one other variant. He said that all 3 frames were exactly the same and that he thought he couldn't pass a blindfold test with them. He said he played with all 3 during his career. I found this of particular interest in light of the things that are posted on these boards. I posted long ago that we "overthink" our equipment at our level and it appears that I may have actually gotten one thing right. :)

Scanlon explains the WCT versus the ITF battle in great and interesting detail. He goes through the war that raged between the powers that ran tennis and how the ATP finally became a player in the running of the sport. He doesn't arrive at this conclusion, but I find it very interesting that once the ATP gained control of the sport and began to run it "right", interest from the fans began to wane and the tennis boom began to taper off.

Scanlon talks about the driving force behind the tour, which is money. It's the same story for pros. It ain't about the money IF you have the money. Scanlon talks about the decisions he had to make regarding tournament play, how he was basically at the whim of his agents.

I would recommend this book to anyone who played tennis in the 70s or has an interest in the dawn of the professional game as we know it today. This book was a really good read.

I do not know if this is a fact but it was my understanding the Kramer Autograph was slightly stiffer than the Prostaff.
I wanted the Kramer Autograph more but most top players seemed to use the prostaff.

film1
10-13-2009, 09:34 PM
I read this book over the Christmas holdiays. I really liked this one. It went through the whole of Scanlon's career. Scanlon pulled no punches when giving his opinioin on other players, especially his nemisis John McEnroe.

He has an entire chapter devoted to equipment, both new and old. The most interesting factoid that I garnered from this is that a wood racket usually lasted the pros about 3 to 5 weeks.

Also of great interest to me was Scanlon's take on the frame he used. He used the Jack Kramer Auto, ProStaff, and one other variant. He said that all 3 frames were exactly the same and that he thought he couldn't pass a blindfold test with them. He said he played with all 3 during his career. I found this of particular interest in light of the things that are posted on these boards. I posted long ago that we "overthink" our equipment at our level and it appears that I may have actually gotten one thing right. :)

Scanlon explains the WCT versus the ITF battle in great and interesting detail. He goes through the war that raged between the powers that ran tennis and how the ATP finally became a player in the running of the sport. He doesn't arrive at this conclusion, but I find it very interesting that once the ATP gained control of the sport and began to run it "right", interest from the fans began to wane and the tennis boom began to taper off.

Scanlon talks about the driving force behind the tour, which is money. It's the same story for pros. It ain't about the money IF you have the money. Scanlon talks about the decisions he had to make regarding tournament play, how he was basically at the whim of his agents.

I would recommend this book to anyone who played tennis in the 70s or has an interest in the dawn of the professional game as we know it today. This book was a really good read.

I think the Wilson Prostaff and the Wilson advantage were identical but the wood on the neck of kramer autograph was not rounded off where it met the laminate on the neck perhaps making it slightly more stiff.

What did he say about Mac?

film1
10-13-2009, 09:38 PM
That's because "My thoughts on tennis by Bill Scanlon" wouldn't sell except to a few tennis buffs. But put Mac's name on the cover and people might actually care and buy the book. Kind of funny due to their past that Bill has to use Mac's name to sell his book.

Donnie, you,re out of your element.

DNShade
10-13-2009, 10:57 PM
Donnie, you,re out of your element.

Wal, a wiser fella than m'self once said, sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar, wal, he eats you

Borgforever
10-13-2009, 11:32 PM
^^^^ The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

DNShade
10-14-2009, 12:07 AM
Nihilists! Jesus. Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Borgforever
10-14-2009, 03:15 AM
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.

Rabbit
10-14-2009, 04:20 AM
I do not know if this is a fact but it was my understanding the Kramer Autograph was slightly stiffer than the Prostaff.
I wanted the Kramer Autograph more but most top players seemed to use the prostaff.

I played with both back in the day and always thought it was the other way around. Scanlon says that they were the same, I'd probably think he'd know more since he was a sponsored player. Maybe they were made the same for him...



So you have no frame of reference, Donny. You're like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie and wants to know--

duusoo
10-14-2009, 04:26 AM
As far as the equipment is concerned, Bill started playing in a much simpler time. In 1967 at K-zoo, all the layers played with either a Wilson Kramer Auto, Tony Trabert Auto, Kraemer Pro Staff, Dunlop Fort, Spalding Gonzalez Auto, or World Open. Maybe 1 or 2 with a Bancroft Players Special. That was it. When the switch to metal and graphite came, the number of manufacturers went nuts, companies came and went by the month, tennis was exploding, the money was coming in, and everyone wanted a part of it. As for him not liking McEnroe, no big deal, how many of us have gone back to our 40th class reunion, and the guy was a jerk in 1969, is just a fatter jerk in 2009. Things don't always get better.

slice bh compliment
10-14-2009, 04:52 AM
Good points, all. And now McEnroe is a skinnier jerk. And a father of 6!

hoodjem
10-14-2009, 09:20 AM
I do not know if this is a fact but it was my understanding the Kramer Autograph was slightly stiffer than the Prostaff.

I played with both, and I would say the Kramer Pro Staff was stiffer. I owned a Kramer PS for maybe 10 years before switching to a PS 6.0 85 in the mid-later 80s.

Dave Mc
10-16-2009, 11:40 AM
I almost got to play Bill Scanlon one time. There was a popular annual open tournament at a club called Wimbledon Racquet Club in Spring TX, north of Houston. One year, I believe back in 1988, Bill Scanlon enters the tournament. The prize money was very small, and no tour points, so we couldn't figure out what a player of his caliber was doing there. I won 2 rounds and lost in the quarters, and would have played Scanlon in the semis had I won. I really wish I could have won that match so I could have the experience of playing Scanlon. He won the tournament very easily. His best competition was against a guy named Clark Diehl, who was the head pro at the Wimbledon club at the time. The most amazing thing to me was Scanlon's numerous running passing shots against Diehl. We used to joke that Scanlon only played that tournament so he could say that he has won "Wimbledon". Years later, Sammy Giammalva Jr. purchased the club, and renamed it to the Giammalva Tennis Club. And thats the rest of the story ;-)

jyjyj
10-16-2009, 11:46 AM
Great story, Dave. This is the best part of these message boards, in my opinion -- stories like that. (As opposed to "what racquet is Federer REALLY playing??)

pmerk34
10-16-2009, 11:49 AM
Great story, Dave. This is the best part of these message boards, in my opinion -- stories like that. (As opposed to "what racquet is Federer REALLY playing??)

Retail K90 with some lead. People need to get over it.

jyjyj
10-16-2009, 11:52 AM
Retail K90 with some lead. People need to get over it.

Wow. See what I mean?

slice bh compliment
10-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Retail K90 avec lead? People need to get over it? You callous, macho bastidges.

I see what you're trying to do, but, I've seen Roger's frame close up and.....

the handle is 2 mm shorter
and the PWS area is 1 mm shorter
and the shaft is beveled differently
and the buttcap looks less octagonal
and the bumper is probably teflon
and the layup is TOTALLY a different ballgame
and the SW is tweaked
and the nanoparticles have undergone metaphysical metamorphosis
and Tony Roche's acupuncture and herbalist in China has treated the fibers from the inside out
and, well, it's just a different racquet
and if we could only get our hands on it, we'd all be good!

pmerk34
10-16-2009, 12:00 PM
Retail K90 avec lead? People need to get over it? You calloud bastidges.

I see what you're trying to do, but, I've seen Roger's frame close up and.....

the handle is 2 mm shorter
and the PWS area is 1 mm shorter
and the shaft is beveled differently
and the buttcap looks less octagonal
and the bumper is probably teflon
and the layup is TOTALLY a different ballgame
and the SW is tweaked
and the nanoparticles have undergone metaphysical metamorphosis
and Tony Roche's acupuncture and herbalist in China has treated the fibers from the inside out
and, well, it's just a different racquet
and if we could only get our hands on it, we'd all be good!

I know and it's a joke. The best player on earth uses a stock K90 with some lead. Not some mysterious paint job of a 18 year old head Prestige.

hoodjem
10-16-2009, 12:38 PM
The best player on earth uses a stock K90 with some lead.Where's the lead?

Chopin
10-16-2009, 01:07 PM
Where's the lead?

Under the bumper I believe.

hoodjem
10-16-2009, 03:48 PM
I've never noticed it, so that's what I would think also.

Does he use as much as Sampras?

Chopin
10-16-2009, 04:43 PM
I've never noticed it, so that's what I would think also.

Does he use as much as Sampras?

No, the guys who customize his racquet say that they just sneak a little bit under the bumper.

Brettolius
10-17-2009, 03:50 PM
That's because "My thoughts on tennis by Bill Scanlon" wouldn't sell except to a few tennis buffs. But put Mac's name on the cover and people might actually care and buy the book. Kind of funny due to their past that Bill has to use Mac's name to sell his book.

For real. Not like even most tennis fans would know who the hell Bill Scanlon is. Probably know Leif Sheiras more so than Scanlon, due to his commentating...

Brettolius
10-17-2009, 03:54 PM
Nihilists! Jesus. Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Perhaps to get the real story from Scanlon I'll roll out at 15 m.p.h., double back, and beat it out of him!!!

NLBwell
10-17-2009, 03:58 PM
I almost got to play Bill Scanlon one time. There was a popular annual open tournament at a club called Wimbledon Racquet Club in Spring TX, north of Houston. One year, I believe back in 1988, Bill Scanlon enters the tournament. The prize money was very small, and no tour points, so we couldn't figure out what a player of his caliber was doing there. I won 2 rounds and lost in the quarters, and would have played Scanlon in the semis had I won. I really wish I could have won that match so I could have the experience of playing Scanlon. He won the tournament very easily. His best competition was against a guy named Clark Diehl, who was the head pro at the Wimbledon club at the time. The most amazing thing to me was Scanlon's numerous running passing shots against Diehl. We used to joke that Scanlon only played that tournament so he could say that he has won "Wimbledon". Years later, Sammy Giammalva Jr. purchased the club, and renamed it to the Giammalva Tennis Club. And thats the rest of the story ;-)


Yeah, and Tony Giammalva played for Trinity the same time as Scanlon (it was a great team). Traitor to a Rice family. That irritated me too.

Don't Let It Bounce
10-17-2009, 04:52 PM
Perhaps to get the real story from Scanlon I'll roll out at 15 m.p.h., double back, and beat it out of him!!! Brettolius, this is not 'Nam. This is Talk Tennis. There are rules.

duusoo
10-18-2009, 05:00 PM
I almost got to play Bill Scanlon one time. There was a popular annual open tournament at a club called Wimbledon Racquet Club in Spring TX, north of Houston. One year, I believe back in 1988, Bill Scanlon enters the tournament. The prize money was very small, and no tour points, so we couldn't figure out what a player of his caliber was doing there. I won 2 rounds and lost in the quarters, and would have played Scanlon in the semis had I won. I really wish I could have won that match so I could have the experience of playing Scanlon. He won the tournament very easily. His best competition was against a guy named Clark Diehl, who was the head pro at the Wimbledon club at the time. The most amazing thing to me was Scanlon's numerous running passing shots against Diehl. We used to joke that Scanlon only played that tournament so he could say that he has won "Wimbledon". Years later, Sammy Giammalva Jr. purchased the club, and renamed it to the Giammalva Tennis Club. And thats the rest of the story ;-)

When did this tournament begin? I believe that I played in it, back in the 70's, and it was won by Mike Estep. I also think that a player named Kettelson was in it. As I recall, it had a fairly good draw, but what motivated many of us was to win Wimbledon.