TT members, what NTRP level is this?

[dima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2x91PbM04

[raiden031]

Anyone who says 3.X is a moron.

[drake]

It's really hard to say when you show the "best of clips" and both players are scrambling to stay in the point. It looks like they're a solid 4.5 and possibly slightly better however the 2 hander's fh is too abbreviated and sometimes he briings his head down too early on his serve.

[raiden031]

It's really hard to say when you show the "best of clips" and both players are bringing on the pressure. It looks like they're a solid 4.5 and possibly slightly better however the 2 hander's fh is too abbreviated and he briing's his head down too early on his serve.

That team is ranked #54 in the country. I'd say they are like 5.5-6.0

http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/player.asp?plId=52449

[kevhen]

5.0ish. His serve is not as good as the 5.5 D1 guys I have watched here but the rest of his game is pretty good from the clips. If his team is ranked and he plays then he is considered 5.5 by NTRP.

[Swissv2]

agree with raiden031

[dacrymn]

Wow. That's serve and volley player's volleys are good.

[adlis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2x91PbM04

OK video. shame ABOUT THE GOD AWFUL MUSIC that goes with it.

grey dude is defiantly the weaker player. 5+.
white dude 5.5

a couple of pointers. the gray dudes serve is a bit weak, he tends to push the ball too much when he is under pressure which is a definite no no for 5+ players . He needs to be a lot more aggressive.

[lordmanji]

at least a 5.0 according to the ntrp scale and as high as a 6.5 depending on ranking and division of school.

[adlis]

at least a 5.0 according to the ntrp scale and as high as a 6.5 depending on ranking and division of school.

Who? the grey top is no 6.5, white maybe but he his playing a far inferior player so it is hard to make a accurate assessment.

[drakulie]

5.0-5.5

No way, these guys are 6.0 or above.

That one guy has a seriously good attacking net game. Very good volleys, and approach shots. Thanks for sharing that vid with us. Good stuff.

[adlis]

5.0-5.5

No way, these guys are 6.0 or above.

That one guy has a seriously good attacking net game. Very good volleys, and approach shots. Thanks for sharing that vid with us. Good stuff.

that's true but the other guy was hitting pathetic lob shots

[southpaw]

I thought the ntrp guidelines were cut and dry when it came to the college level. A Div 1 Top 75 ranked college team or player is 6.0.

[raiden031]

I thought the ntrp guidelines were cut and dry when it came to the college level. A Div 1 Top 75 ranked college team or player is 6.0.

you can say that about the guy in thew white shirt. Although the guy in the gray shirt may have been on an unranked team, and looked like he was taking a beating.

[Budgerigar]

anywhere 4.5-6.0 based on greatest hits video, knowing player/college, i say weak 6.0.

[DANMAN]

There is not way that guy is a 4.5. It's a stretch to even consider the better guy to be close to 5.0. He is definitely 5.5. He IS NOT a 6.0.

[Jack the Hack]

This player's name and college are listed in the video, so why not look him up on the internet?

According to a brief search on the web, it looks like John Pelton was a state high school singles finalist in Michigan, was ranked #40 in the section in the 18s, and had a national ranking in the 500s (from playing in the Nationals at Kalamazoo his senior year). At Western Michigan University, he is in his sophomore season, and it looks like he plays #3 singles on a consistant basis. The ITA site also shows that he won a large college summer circuit series tournament at Notre Dame this summer as an unseeded player (he beat the #1 seed in the final). And finally, WMU is ranked #56 in the US as a team, and their best player is ranked #52 in the US college standings.

Since his play has only been at the junior and college level, he does not need or have an NTRP rating. However, based on where this guy is playing on a nationally ranked team (ranked in the top 75 in Division 1), the USTA NTRP Guideline Chart says that he should be a 6.0 if he self rated today.

[LuckyR]

An editted video ie lots of individual clips, is extremely difficult if not impossible to classify. The reason is because we are all assuming that every point was like the ones shown. Whereas, this could be (and probably is) a highlights video, based on the school intro. If this is the highlights and the unforced errors and other garbage was left on the cutting room floor, then that dramatically changes things (in a downward way...).

[Jack the Hack]

An editted video ie lots of individual clips, is extremely difficult if not impossible to classify. The reason is because we are all assuming that every point was like the ones shown. Whereas, this could be (and probably is) a highlights video, based on the school intro. If this is the highlights and the unforced errors and other garbage was left on the cutting room floor, then that dramatically changes things (in a downward way...).

If you know the player's name and match results, the video is completely irrelavant (and it doesn't matter if it only shows his highlights).

I think the USTA chart that shows player characteristics for each level has caused too much confusion. Despite popular opinion on this forum, the NTRP system is results based, not skills based (like the ITN). This guy could have the ugliest looking strokes in the world, but if he wins a certain number of matches against highly ranked opponents or is ranked himself, then his NTRP rating would be clearly defined. As I mentioned in my previous post, given Pelton's match experience and top 3 roster spot on a top 75 ranked team in Division 1, the USTA self rating guidelines put him at a 6.0.

[drake]

Well done, LuckyR ! ! !

[snoflewis]

An editted video ie lots of individual clips, is extremely difficult if not impossible to classify. The reason is because we are all assuming that every point was like the ones shown. Whereas, this could be (and probably is) a highlights video, based on the school intro. If this is the highlights and the unforced errors and other garbage was left on the cutting room floor, then that dramatically changes things (in a downward way...).

exactly....i would say they're 5.0...

[LuckyR]

If you know the player's name and match results, the video is completely irrelavant (and it doesn't matter if it only shows his highlights).


Jack, you've got a firm grasp on the obvious. Of course you could look the guy up and be automatically correct, but that wasn't what the OP asked for...

[mucat]

Holy batman, and I thought I can become a pro in a year....;)

I think 5.5 at least.

[drakulie]

An editted video ie lots of individual clips, is extremely difficult if not impossible to classify. The reason is because we are all assuming that every point was like the ones shown. Whereas, this could be (and probably is) a highlights video, based on the school intro. If this is the highlights and the unforced errors and other garbage was left on the cutting room floor, then that dramatically changes things (in a downward way...).

This doesn't make sense. Even highlights of pros on sportscenter show the best points>>>Not all the errors. And pros for the most part make more errors than hit winners during a course of a match. Like you said, that stuff ends up on the cutting room floor. Does that mean that pros are any less because the errors they made (which are a lot and not shown in highlights) during the course of the match changes things dramatically "in a downward way"?

Your argument suggests that players below pro level should be doing better than pros themsleves.

Rather than focusing on what you don't see, focus on what you do. Then ask yourself, being honest, can a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 play like that and hit those shots as consistently as you are being shown?

[LuckyR]

This doesn't make sense...

Then ask yourself, being honest, can a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 play like that and hit those shots as consistently as you are being shown?


Of course it makes sense, as you yourself said. The key word is "consistently" as you put it.

I could play a bunch of points where I was going for shots that are (for me) only going to be in 5 - 10% of the time. Eventually, I will put together a video where I look a lot better than I really am, because in reality I can't play up to the video "consistently".

A Pro can hit shots in 75% of the time, that you or I can only get in 20% of the time or less. That's why they're Pros and could kick any of our a55es. However, it's not like most folks on this forum could never hit a Pro-like shot in. We all hit them, on a rare or inconsistent basis. Tennis is kind of like golf in that way.

[Jack the Hack]

Jack, you've got a firm grasp on the obvious. Of course you could look the guy up and be automatically correct, but that wasn't what the OP asked for...

This is exactly what the OP asked:

TT members, what NTRP level is this?

I guess I must have missed the part of the OP post where he/she stated that they wanted a video analysis of the player's strokes. ;)

If the video gives the player's name, that is pretty much all you would need to know to find their NTRP and answer the question. Therefore, debating opinions on the player characteristics is pointless. Besides, as I stated earlier, the NTRP is results based and the style of a player's strokes has nothing to do with their rating.

Perhaps a better question would have been "What ITN rating is this person?" since that system is skills based, but I thought I would answer the OP's question exactly as it was stated in very black and white terms that can not be debated. How is that wrong?

[raiden031]

Jack, you've got a firm grasp on the obvious. Of course you could look the guy up and be automatically correct, but that wasn't what the OP asked for...

So most of the posters here think he is less than what his actual NTRP rating is (6.0 due to NTRP guidelines). Are you saying that because people here think that he doesn't look as good as a 6.0, that its fair to say he is lower than that? How can that be implied when his performance is what put him at 6.0, not what he displays in the video. This is living proof that most people here who critique tennis videos don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[drakulie]

Of course it makes sense, as you yourself said. The key word is "consistently" as you put it.

I said, "consistently as you are being shown". Yes, 3.0's can hit one "pro-like" shot every blue moon, or every few matches. The difference between 3.0's and these guys is these guys are hititng a lot of good shots within one match. Therefore, they would be much better than a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, etc, etc.

Regardless of it being a "highlight" reel, this highlight reel would blow away a 3.0's "highlight reel".

3.0 highlight reel= possibly one blazing winner.

These guys highlight reel= over two minutes of "highlights" of every shot.

[fluffy Beaver]

soooooooooooooo.... lemme get this straight, the majority of the people here have said these guys are about 5.0-5.5 correct? And i agree these guys are good, but then these people are also saying that Etienne guy is close to 5.0-5.5 (thread that ask for 4.0 or + vid). I don't know about you guys, but i see a big gap between these 2 guys and Etienne who i stated is a 4.5 as a fact.


Edit: apparently these 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHjXw_HnLpg&mode=related&search= are up to par with the op's vid guys.

[AJK1]

5.5-6.0 no question

[fluffy Beaver]

oh ya, my guess for the rating is 5.5-6.0 as well. I find it funny how people say things as if it's completely true like he IS a 5.0 or HE IS DEF NOT BLAH, would sounds better if you added i think or something, just IMHO.

Also, jack the hack has brought up some good points.

[adlis]

I said, "consistently as you are being shown". Yes, 3.0's can hit one "pro-like" shot every blue moon, or every few matches. The difference between 3.0's and these guys is these guys are hititng a lot of good shots within one match. Therefore, they would be much better than a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, etc, etc.

Regardless of it being a "highlight" reel, this highlight reel would blow away a 3.0's "highlight reel".

3.0 highlight reel=possibly one blazing winner.

These guys highlight reel= over two minutes of "highlights" of every shot.

wise words Yoda. It is all to often on tw for users to post flattening highlights of themselves

Here's a video of a 6.5+ player hitting f/backhands (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html). try to compare it to your game. The quality is higher than you tube so you can actually see the ball!


http://i5.tinypic.com/4i60qkp.jpg (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html)

[LuckyR]

Jack- I guess to me: "TT members, what NTRP level is this?" Would be a request to analyse the level of play of the two people on the video, esp if only a link to a video was given. My nit is now picked.

raiden- The discrepancy you mention (between published performance and strokes on a video) is exactly what my first post alluded to as being unreliable.

drak- Did I mention 3.0? Or 3.5, or 4.0? That, my friend is what we call a strawman argument. Obviously these guys aren't any of those ratings. I never supposed that they were. I merely pointed out that a highlight video is much more unreliable way to rate someone on their strokes than either their match performance (the best way) or an uneditted video (that include all of their mistakes as well).

[BounceHitBounceHit]

This player's name and college are listed in the video, so why not look him up on the internet?

According to a brief search on the web, it looks like John Pelton was a state high school singles finalist in Michigan, was ranked #40 in the section in the 18s, and had a national ranking in the 500s (from playing in the Nationals at Kalamazoo his senior year). At Western Michigan University, he is in his sophomore season, and it looks like he plays #3 singles on a consistant basis. The ITA site also shows that he won a large college summer circuit series tournament at Notre Dame this summer as an unseeded player (he beat the #1 seed in the final). And finally, WMU is ranked #56 in the US as a team, and their best player is ranked #52 in the US college standings.

Since his play has only been at the junior and college level, he does not need or have an NTRP rating. However, based on where this guy is playing on a nationally ranked team (ranked in the top 75 in Division 1), the USTA NTRP Guideline Chart says that he should be a 6.0 if he self rated today.

Well said. ;) I recently watched this guy play live and he is quite good. CC

[raiden031]

raiden- The discrepancy you mention (between published performance and strokes on a video) is exactly what my first post alluded to as being unreliable.


For some reason I had the idea that you thought the player was probably not as good as the video shows because they cut out the UEs. But I re-read and found you weren't really saying anything about these guy(s).

[fluffy Beaver]

It's really hard to say when you show the "best of clips" and both players are scrambling to stay in the point. It looks like they're a solid 4.5 and possibly slightly better however the 2 hander's fh is too abbreviated and sometimes he briings his head down too early on his serve.

lololololol i don't even want to know what you think a 7.0 should be HAHAHA LMAO

[BounceHitBounceHit]

So most of the posters here think he is less than what his actual NTRP rating is (6.0 due to NTRP guidelines). Are you saying that because people here think that he doesn't look as good as a 6.0, that its fair to say he is lower than that? How can that be implied when his performance is what put him at 6.0, not what he displays in the video. This is living proof that most people here who critique tennis videos don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Look, no offense to anyone, but the Vandy men just lost a close match to these guys and I was there to watch it. ;) Lucky me, because high level DI tennis is great fun.

This guy is a GREAT player and is, by definition, a 6.0. If you think he is 'only' a 5.0 and would like to try and play him, please give it a whirl and send us a video of the match.

Best,

CC

[drake]

lololololol i don't even want to know what you think a 7.0 should be HAHAHA LMAO

I loose track once they're at the ATP level. What level is a top 20, 10, 5 Federer? I would like to know. From my experience, I have a friend who recently played Div 1 top 50 and he considers himself 6.0. I hit with and are friends with a 5.0 finalist National team. I look at this video, as is, and have to say they are 4.5 and possibly 5.0 if I could see more. I'm not judging on their credentials, just their limited play. BTW I know quite a few Div 1 players that are considered 4.5-5.0. Personnaly, if I were to play either one of them, even if I were their age, I would loose but I can still determine how good a player is. Also, in Div 1, there is a difference in ablilty between the #1 player and the #4 or #5 player but the gap closes usually if the school is top 50 and better.

[fluffy Beaver]

so what was the score of the people in the vid posted? also lucky you for gettin to watch live.


Edit: oh ya, the people here still won't believe you Craig, you could be spot on a rating or even have that person be your friend, you just can't convince them otherwise

[lordmanji]

on a side note, is it me or do all these videos of players INDOORS make them look better - hit the ball cleaner and harder - than they really are?

[fluffy Beaver]

I loose track once they're at the ATP level. What level is a top 20, 10, 5 Federer? I would like to know. From my experience, I have a friend who recently played Div 1 top 50 and he considers himself 6.0. I hit with and are friends with a 5.0 finalist National team. I look at this video, as is, and have to say they are 4.5 and possibly 5.0 if I could see more. I'm not judging on their credentials, just their limited play. BTW I know quite a few Div 1 players that are considered 4.5-5.0. Personnaly, if I were to play either one of them, even if I were their age, I would loose.

So even the vid itself being a highlight gives them a low rating? I thought highlights made players look better.

Edit: i guess since roddicks serve is abbreviated his serve isn't a high rating LOL

[adlis]

Look, no offense to anyone, but the Vandy men just lost a close match to these guys and I was there to watch it. ;) Lucky me, because high level DI tennis is great fun.

This guy is a GREAT player and is, by definition, a 6.0. If you think he is 'only' a 5.0 and would like to try and play him, please give it a whirl and send us a video of the match.

Best,

CC

whoa there give raiden a break. There's no way i would call a level 6.0 player great. If they play futures tournaments i would call them great BUT NOT a competent college player

[drakulie]

adlis, I couldn't see the vid you posted.

[adlis]

adlis, I couldn't see the vid you posted.

why? problem with mega upload? Ive heard that it has problems in some regions. works fine for me. i could upload it to rapid share.

[drakulie]

Not sure, when I click on the link it shows a page to sign up or register. :(

[AJK1]

yeah, same problem for me

[AJK1]

Drak, i just worked it out, download the megaupload toolbar, then click the link again, it should work.

[dima]

wise words Yoda. It is all to often on tw for users to post flattening highlights of themselves

Here's a non-highlighted video (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T83HZD72) of a level 6.5 hitting f/backhands. try to compare it to your game. The quality is higher than you tube so you can actually see the ball!
http://i13.tinypic.com/2cngnwl.jpg (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T83HZD72)

What's his name? and how do you know he's a 6.5? I'm not doubting you, I believe he's a 6.5, I actually thought he was an atp tour player, he absolutely RIPS the ball without much effort, VERY good player, I suggest you all download that video, again, great video, thanks!

[adlis]

Drak, i just worked it out, download the megaupload toolbar, then click the link again, it should work.

I wouldn't advise that its full of spyware. I will upload to rapidshare instead guys. give me 2 minutes.....

[adlis]

I have re uploaded because people have been having issues with MEGAUPLOAD. i do not upload to you tube because the quality is appalling.

VIDEO
http://i5.tinypic.com/4i60qkp.jpg (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html)

[drake]

I REMOVED IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE SITE. i will re-upload to rapid share. 5.6 mins remaining..

Adlis,

I really can't determine, from this practice rally video, what his level is. If you say he's a 6.5 then that tells me he plays or did play #1 or #2 singles for a top 30 div 1 school. I would say from his GS, he's at least 5.5, far better than the OP video and if you say he's 6.5 then you must have seen him play. From a practice video, he could be Marat Safin playing around, then I guess he would better than 6.5.

[ZPTennis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2x91PbM04


5.0 but no higher than that. Very solid players but no big weapons.

[Ronaldo]

If that is 6.0, where would you rank the players on a team like the Ohio State Buckeyes from last year?

[BounceHitBounceHit]

whoa there give raiden a break. There's no way i would call a level 6.0 player great. If they play futures tournaments i would call them great BUT NOT a competent college player


I guess it depends on your frame of reference. And I certainly wasn't trying to be offensive. Just pointing out that BY DEFINITION this guys IS in fact, a 6.0 NTRP level player. :)

And fellas, a 6.0 is a VERY, VERY good tennis player.

CC

[drake]

If that is 6.0, where would you rank the players on a team like the Ohio State Buckeyes from last year?

Well that's the point. Ohio, especially the last 2 yrs. is a real powerhouse in tennis. They truly have 5.5 - 6.0 players so compare that level to the over 50 D1 teams and there's the difference. Ohio, right now has the best recruiting program in the country and their recent recruit, Steven Moneke is a phenom, probably a 6.5, BTW, I considered Benjamin Becker a 6.5. Now he's obviously even better.

[adlis]

Well that's the point. Ohio, especially the last 2 yrs. is a real powerhouse in tennis. They truly have 5.5 - 6.0 players so compare that level to the over 50 D1 teams and there's the difference. Ohio, right now has the best recruiting program in the country and their recent recruit, Steven Moneke is a phenom, probably a 6.5, BTW, I considered Benjamin Becker a 6.5. Now he's obviously even better.

which video are you talking abut again?

level 7.0-pro i.e 1 ranking point on the atp ranking list, therefore Benjamin Becker was a 7.0 years ago because he has won tons of futures tournaments.

[drake]

which video are you talking abut again?

level 7.0-pro i.e 1 ranking point on the atp ranking list, therefore Benjamin Becker was a 7.0 years ago because he has won tons of futures tournaments.

I am referring to when Becker played at Baylor.

[D-man]

wise words Yoda. It is all to often on tw for users to post flattening highlights of themselves

Here's a video of a 6.5+ player hitting f/backhands (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html). try to compare it to your game. The quality is higher than you tube so you can actually see the ball!


This is a really nice video! Do you have any more? Any 1H backhands?

[Sagittar]

This is a really nice video! Do you have any more? Any 1H backhands?
i concur the video is very nice and he seems not bad ..
hehe , jk of course i am a 3.5 and hope that one day i could get close to that

[TENNIS_IS_FUN]

That serve and volley guy is really good...check out the volley at 1:00...excellent.

[drakulie]

That serve and volley guy is really good...check out the volley at 1:00...excellent.

I agree. That volley (which was not easy), is totally sick.

[drakulie]

hmmm, I have a question. If D1 Men players by definition are 6.0 players, would that mean D1 women are also 6.0??? Anyone?

[equinox]

http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/player.asp?plId=52449

[equinox]

He did well in high school and is not doing too bad at college either. Probably won't amount to much on the itf circuit.

3.0 play and 2.5 extra for the nice uniform. :)

[raiden031]

hmmm, I have a question. If D1 Men players by definition are 6.0 players, would that mean D1 women are also 6.0??? Anyone?

According to NTRP Guidelines, players who are on a D1 team ranked in the top 75 are considered 6.0.

Unranked teams are considered 5.5.

That would apply to both men and women.

[equinox]

why'd he chase and play that lob at 1:17?? Just for the applause??

[raiden031]

which video are you talking abut again?

level 7.0-pro i.e 1 ranking point on the atp ranking list, therefore Benjamin Becker was a 7.0 years ago because he has won tons of futures tournaments.

7.0 is top 400 in the world.

6.5 is less than top 400 in the world, satellite, futures, circuit players

[drakulie]

raiden, regardless of what people on these boards say about you, I think you are a nice person.

LOL J/K! :) Thanks for the info, I aprreciate it.

[adlis]

Adlis,

I really can't determine, from this practice rally video, what his level is. If you say he's a 6.5 then that tells me he plays or did play #1 or #2 singles for a top 30 div 1 school. I would say from his GS, he's at least 5.5, far better than the OP video and if you say he's 6.5 then you must have seen him play. From a practice video, he could be Marat Safin playing around, then I guess he would better than 6.5.

he is ranked 340th so thats level 7.0.

[drakulie]

OK, finally saw the vid! That guy's backhand is unreal. The other dude with the one hander as well. Any other vids of this guy??

Thanks for sharing adlis!

[adlis]

sure.

daily videos of the dallas challenger

http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/video.cfm?gpt=3&g=398

practice

http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/video.cfm?gpt=3&g=398&vcid=301

that site has direct downloads of the videos.

To be honest i didn't direct link to the site because i thought the site would properly crash because of the sudden surge of 100 zillion TW referrals and i wanted to give myself some time d/l the videos to brush up on my game.


By the way the guy in the video is 22 year old Michael RYDERSTEDT from sweden who is ranked 340th in the world. (http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/player.asp?player=30021573)
Obviously he is a 7.0 ranked player to answer the question.

[Matthew]

hmm my friend goes to western michigan... definetely can't play tennis though lol. i'd see these guys are 5.0-5.5. pretty good point construction.

[javier sergio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2x91PbM04


5.0 or a little higher is my opinion ??????????

[fluffy Beaver]

I just don't understand how these guys can be considered 5.0 if Etienne is 5.0 as well, once must be higher or lower.

[Nick Irons]

Jack The Hack has about summed it up I think.

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[raiden031]

Put Pelton against any 5.0 and I will bet my life savings on Pelton.

[Nick Irons]

He did well in high school and is not doing too bad at college either. Probably won't amount to much on the itf circuit.

3.0 play and 2.5 extra for the nice uniform. :)

And why is that ?

[Ronaldo]

hmm my friend goes to western michigan... definetely can't play tennis though lol. i'd see these guys are 5.0-5.5. pretty good point construction.

So, how are the Stallions? Play Northern Michigan this year?

[MasturB]

7.0 is top 400 in the world.

6.5 is less than top 400 in the world, satellite, futures, circuit players

I don't understand that logic.

A 7.0 player is a 7.0 player, doesn't need to be Top 400 in the world IMO.

In this day and age there could be more than 400 7.0 players in the world.

[adlis]

http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/player.asp?plId=52449

love the 1950's haircut!

[adlis]

I don't understand that logic.

A 7.0 player is a 7.0 player, doesn't need to be Top 400 in the world IMO.

In this day and age there could be more than 400 7.0 players in the world.

i think the American rating is a bit confusing.

By the other posters analysis A top college player is a 6.0 so that means a 6.5 400-5100+ atp player would have trouble beating him? A 1500 ranked atp player would eat a college player for breakfast.

I am sure you need a 1 ranking point on the ATP rankings list to be level 7.0 last time i checked the rules on the utsa website.

Thats why people are so desperate for that 1 point in a futures tournament otherwise they are just 6.5 hacks.

[raiden031]

i think the American rating is a bit confusing.

By the other posters analysis A top college player is a 6.0 so that means a 6.5 400-5100+ atp player would have trouble beating him? A 1500 ranked atp player would eat a college player for breakfast.

I am sure you need a 1 ranking point on the ATP rankings list to be level 7.0 last time i checked the rules on the utsa website.

Thats why people are so desperate for that 1 point in a futures tournament otherwise they are just 6.5 hacks.

Both of you are making up your own definitions for the NTRP levels.

A 6.5 would kick any 6.0s ass on most days, similar to how anybody at any other level that is a solid level above another will kick their ass.

By definition a 7.0 is only a top 400 pro, not just any pro at all.

[Carnifex]

white shirt/no headband dude is 5.6 to 6.0, gray shirt/headband dude is 5.0.
nice drop volley at 1:06 but why did he play the lob-volley at 1;16 that was out?
nice hitting.

[adlis]

Both of you are making up your own definitions for the NTRP levels.

A 6.5 would kick any 6.0s ass on most days, similar to how anybody at any other level that is a solid level above another will kick their ass.

By definition a 7.0 is only a top 400 pro, not just any pro at all.

so that means a 401 atp player is a 6.5? I am sure all atp players are 7.0

i swear the usta said world class tennis player meaning any ranked player on the atp ranking table will attain the 7.0 status

white shirt/no headband dude is 5.6 to 6.0, gray shirt/headband dude is 5.0.
nice drop volley at 1:06 but why did he play the lob-volley at 1;16 that was out?
nice hitting.

the ball was clearly out but as with most college players They are selective to what balls they like to see in or out the box.

[raiden031]

so that means a 401 atp player is a 6.5? I am sure all atp players are 7.0

i swear the usta said world class tennis player meaning any ranked player on the atp ranking table will attain the 7.0 status

World class means a major source of income is tournament prize winnings

I downloaded a chart that explains college players and pros. I can't find the URL but I'm looking for it.

Go here: http://www.usta.com/leagues/custom.sps?iType=930&icustompageid=16673

Click on the experienced player guidelines

[edberg505]

the ball was clearly out but as with most college players They are selective to what balls they like to see in or out the box.

What do you mean by selective? Call them out when it's close or play them when you are blasting your opponent off the court?

[SalvadorVeiga]

wise words Yoda. It is all to often on tw for users to post flattening highlights of themselves

Here's a video of a 6.5+ player hitting f/backhands (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html). try to compare it to your game. The quality is higher than you tube so you can actually see the ball!


http://i5.tinypic.com/4i60qkp.jpg (http://rapidshare.com/files/15444783/Michael_Backhands.wmv.html)

whats the racquet he's using ? is it the k90 or the 95 inch version ?

[BounceHitBounceHit]

hmmm, I have a question. If D1 Men players by definition are 6.0 players, would that mean D1 women are also 6.0??? Anyone?

Hey Drak,

Yes. The DI women are also, by definition, 6.0 FEMALES. They are not of course on the same level as 6.0 males, but they too are very good.

Best,

CC

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Put Pelton against any 5.0 and I will bet my life savings on Pelton.


Can I throw my 401K into that ring as well? ;) CC

[adlis]

whats the racquet he's using ? is it the k90 or the 95 inch version ?

90 but i cant be certain