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Moose Malloy
02-15-2007, 04:27 PM
Was looking up Mac's record & was amazed at how he dominated so many different events. So I started looking up other players. Feel free to add.

'79,'80,'81,'84-US Open(4)
78,79,84,85-Stockholm(4)
79,81,83,84,89-Dallas WCT(5)
78,79,80,82,83-Wembley(5)
82,83,84,85-Philadelphia(4)
78,79,82,84,86-San Francisco(5)
79,80,81,85-Milan(4)
79,80,81,84-Queens(4)
80,81,82,83-Sydney Indoor(4)

Federer
03,04,05,06-Halle(4)
03,04,05,06-Wimbledon(4)

Hewitt
00,01,02,06-Queens(4)
00,01,04,05-Sydney(4)

Sampras
US Open '90,'93,'95,'96,'02(5)
Wimbledon '93,'94,'95,'97,'98,'99,'00(7)
Masters Cup '91,'94,'96,'97,'99(5)
Philadelphia '90,'92,'97,'98(4)

Agassi
Australian Open '95,'00,'01,'03(4)
Key Biscayne '90,'95,'96,01,02,03(6)
90,91,95,98,99-Washington(5)
98,01,02,05-Los Angeles(4)
90,93,95,98,03-San Francisco/San Jose(5)

Kafelnikov
97,'98,99,00,01-Moscow(5)

Becker
85,87,88,96-Queens(4)
87,89,93,94-Milan(4)
88,90,91,94-Stockholm(4)

Edberg
87,89,90,91-Tokyo(4)

Muster
93,94,95,96-Mexico City(4)

Lendl
80,81,83,87,88,89-Canada(6)
81,82,85,86,87-Masters(5)
83,85,90,92,93-Toyko Indoor(5)

Voltron
02-15-2007, 04:29 PM
Awesome list, how did you find all that data without losing your mind? :)

9000tennis
02-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Connors:
Indianapolis 4 times
Birmingham 7 times
Los Angeles 4 times
Memphis 4 times
Las Vegas 4 times
Philadelphia 4 times

Vilas:
Buenos Aires 7 times
Kitzbuhel 4 times

Anyone over 7 :)

scaino
02-15-2007, 05:04 PM
Good list, and interesting topic. I am curious why 'four' was selected as the magic number. Much harder to find accurate info for any of the smaller events pre-Open Era, but I know at least the following:

EMERSON
Australian - 1961, '63-67

LAVER
Wimbledon - 1961-62, '68-69
Wembley - 1964-'67
US Pro - 1964, '66-68

ROSEWALL
Australian - 1953, '55, '71-72
French Pro - 1958, '60-66
Wembley - 1960-63, '68

GONZALES
Wembley - 1950-52, '56
US Pro - 1953-59, '61

CRAWFORD
Australian - 1931-33, '35

RICHARDS
US Pro - 1927-28, '30, '33

COCHET
French - 1926, '28, '30, '32

TILDEN
U.S. - 1920-25, '29
U.S. Clay Court - 1918, '22-27

LARNED
U.S. - 1907-11

WILDING
Wimbledon - 1910-13

H.L. DOHERTY
Wimbledon - 1902-06

R.F. DOHERTY
Wimbledon - 1897-1900

WRENN
U.S. - 1893-94, '96-97

SEARS
U.S. - 1881-87

RENSHAW
Wimbledon - 1881-86, '89

Moose Malloy
02-15-2007, 05:10 PM
I am curious why 'four' was selected as the magic number.

well, 4 is rather rare. many have 3-peated it seems.

urban
02-16-2007, 12:18 AM
I think, Laver won Wembley 6 times, US pro 5 times,Philadelphia 4 times: 1969, 70,72,74, and Houston on clay 61,62,72,74. Gonzales won LA SWP 3 or 4 times (1948), 1949,69, 71 (wasn't as good a field than the years before, but beat Connors). Balasz Taroczy won Hilversum 6 times.

Nick Irons
02-16-2007, 12:26 AM
Brad Gilbert - Tel Aviv (4)

noeledmonds
02-16-2007, 01:25 AM
Borg
FO (6)
Wimbledon (5)
Pepsi Grand Slam (4)

What about the number of different tournaments won by each player?

Moose Malloy
03-05-2007, 10:08 AM
Federer
03,04,05,06-Halle(4)
03,04,05,06-Wimbledon(4)


just adding to this:

03,04,05,07-Dubai

Moose Malloy
03-08-2007, 11:37 AM
Connors:
Indianapolis 4 times
Birmingham 7 times
Los Angeles 4 times
Memphis 4 times
Las Vegas 4 times
Philadelphia 4 times


was just looking at Connors record at Birmingham. Apparently that is 2 different events, a Birmingham, Alabama event & a Birmingham, Great Britain event. He won the Alabama event 6 times.

snapple
03-08-2007, 11:44 AM
Connors:
Indianapolis 4 times
Birmingham 7 times
Los Angeles 4 times
Memphis 4 times
Las Vegas 4 times
Philadelphia 4 times

You left out the biggest event: U.S. Open: 5 times!

CyBorg
03-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Borg
FO (6)
Wimbledon (5)
Pepsi Grand Slam (4)

What about the number of different tournaments won by each player?

Is there another player who has two grand slams to his name in such a list (meaning, 4 time winner in two of the slams)?

I don't think it's happened. At least not in a while.

Moose Malloy
03-08-2007, 01:48 PM
Is there another player who has two grand slams to his name in such a list (meaning, 4 time winner in two of the slams)?

I don't think it's happened. At least not in a while.

Sampras
US Open '90,'93,'95,'96,'02(5)
Wimbledon '93,'94,'95,'97,'98,'99,'00(7)

noeledmonds
03-08-2007, 02:53 PM
Wilander
Cincinnati '83, '84, '86, '88(4)

Nastase
Masters '71- '73, '75 (4)
Madrid '72-'75 (4)

I had not appreciated that Nastase won 4 Masters titles before, inluding 3 in a row and 5 consecutive finals. I know that Nastase is considered to be a very talletented player but I have always disliked him because he was deafted by an oponent using a Spagetti racket, complained about the racket (vowing "never to compete against the racket again"), and then ended up using the racket himself to defeat Vilas and end his winning streaks. Nastase was also considered a bad sportsman on court by many of his fellow players in the locker room. However this achivement at the Masters gives my a new found respect for Nastase (although I still dislike him). Any other thoughts on this conterversial character?

Moose Malloy
03-08-2007, 03:26 PM
imo, Nastase & Federer are the 2 most talented/complete players to play the game in the open era. mac was a unique talent, but was mainly just S&V. nasty could do it all, hit winners from everywhere, on the run, used all the shots. great athlete as well(not far off borg's speed) was a great player on grass as well as clay, eventhough he grew up on clay, he learned to master S&V.

Jimmy Connors said he is the biggest waste of talent in the history of the game, its hard to argue with that. Only won 2 slams.

was the atp #1 for '73, was probably the consensus #1 for '72(no computer) as well.

think he played more dc ties than any other #1 in the open era.

and as far as his masters record, have you heard this, it happened during his last masters win:

"In one remarkable case--- a few years before the advent of a point penalty system--- Arthur Ashe faced Ilie Nastase in Stockholm. In that 1975 clash--- the opening round robin contest for both players---Ashe led 4-1,15-40 in the final set. Nastase kept stalling and calling out, " Are you ready Mr. Ashe?" The normally imperturbable Ashe ran out of patience. He walked off the court, carrying out what he later called a "citizens arrest". Tournament officials met and decided to award Ashe the victory, recognizing that the umpire had not properly clamped down on Nastase. Ironically, Nastase recouped to win his next two matches and won the tournament over Bjorn Borg."

this is what he did after that default:

RR Orantes, Manuel (ESP) 3-6 6-4 6-4
RR Panatta, Adriano (ITA) 7-6 3-6 6-0
S Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-0 6-3 6-4
W Borg, Bjorn (SWE) 6-2 6-2 6-1

vive le beau jeu !
03-08-2007, 03:55 PM
and as far as his masters record, have you heard this, it happened during his last masters win:

"In one remarkable case--- a few years before the advent of a point penalty system--- Arthur Ashe faced Ilie Nastase in Stockholm. In that 1975 clash--- the opening round robin contest for both players---Ashe led 4-1,15-40 in the final set. Nastase kept stalling and calling out, " Are you ready Mr. Ashe?" The normally imperturbable Ashe ran out of patience. He walked off the court, carrying out what he later called a "citizens arrest". Tournament officials met and decided to award Ashe the victory, recognizing that the umpire had not properly clamped down on Nastase. Ironically, Nastase recouped to win his next two matches and won the tournament over Bjorn Borg."

this is what he did after that default:

RR Orantes, Manuel (ESP) 3-6 6-4 6-4
RR Panatta, Adriano (ITA) 7-6 3-6 6-0
S Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-0 6-3 6-4
W Borg, Bjorn (SWE) 6-2 6-2 6-1
amazing ! :D
i guess it's the only guy who managed to win a tournament (and not the least !) after being defaulted !!! ;)

don't know if he still could do it with the actual rules of the masters cup...
6) Any player who is defaulted pursuant to the ATP Code during the Round Robin competition shall be defaulted from all other matches in the Championship and the ATP default provisions shall apply, except for the following circumstances:
a) The loss of physical condition; or
b) Dress and Equipment.
from: http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook2007.pdf

maybe they wrote this because of him ?... :rolleyes:



EDIT
gottfried : 4*vienna (1977, 1980, 1982, 1983)

Moose Malloy
03-08-2007, 04:04 PM
maybe they wrote this because of him ?...

actually they probably did. bud collins talks about it in more details in his book. there really wasn't a need for a code of conduct pre nastase, he certainly is most responsible for the penalty system. before nasty, you had the occasional argument, but nothing like this.

as far as that RR in '75, I think it was fair that they allowed him to continue since the circumstances were so strange-ashe walking off the court-& them defaulting him after the fact.

do you remember the '79 us open match between mac & nasty? also very strange, the umpire defaulted nastase, the crowd almost rioted, so the tournament referee came out & reinstated nastase(with a new umpire) & they played out the match.

vive le beau jeu !
03-08-2007, 04:17 PM
actually they probably did. bud collins talks about it in more details in his book. there really wasn't a need for a code of conduct pre nastase, he certainly is most responsible for the penalty system. before nasty, you had the occasional argument, but nothing like this.

as far as that RR in '75, I think it was fair that they allowed him to continue since the circumstances were so strange-ashe walking off the court-& them defaulting him after the fact.

do you remember the '79 us open match between mac & nasty? also very strange, the umpire defaulted nastase, the crowd almost rioted, so the tournament referee came out & reinstated nastase(with a new umpire) & they played out the match.
ah i heard(read) about that match ! did you see it ?
i was a bit young (!) in that time, so i wish i could see some pictures of that on youtube...... i guess it was an "electric" atmosphere in the stadium ! ;)

PS: thx... now i know the etymology of the term "nasty". :p

caulcano
03-09-2007, 01:14 AM
Was looking up Mac's record & was amazed at how he dominated so many different events. So I started looking up other players. Feel free to add.

'79,'80,'81,'84-US Open(4)
78,79,84,85-Stockholm(4)
79,81,83,84,89-Dallas WCT(5)
78,79,80,82,83-Wembley(5)
82,83,84,85-Philadelphia(4)
78,79,82,84,86-San Francisco(5)
79,80,81,85-Milan(4)
79,80,81,84-Queens(4)
80,81,82,83-Sydney Indoor(4)

Federer
03,04,05,06-Halle(4)
03,04,05,06-Wimbledon(4)

Hewitt
00,01,02,06-Queens(4)
00,01,04,05-Sydney(4)

Sampras
US Open '90,'93,'95,'96,'02(5)
Wimbledon '93,'94,'95,'97,'98,'99,'00(7)
Masters Cup '91,'94,'96,'97,'99(5)
Philadelphia '90,'92,'97,'98(4)

Agassi
Australian Open '95,'00,'01,'03(4)
Key Biscayne '90,'95,'96,01,02,03(6)
90,91,95,98,99-Washington(5)
98,01,02,05-Los Angeles(4)
90,93,95,98,03-San Francisco/San Jose(5)

Kafelnikov
97,'98,99,00,01-Moscow(5)

Becker
85,87,88,96-Queens(4)
87,89,93,94-Milan(4)
88,90,91,94-Stockholm(4)

Edberg
87,89,90,91-Tokyo(4)

Muster
93,94,95,96-Mexico City(4)

Lendl
80,81,83,87,88,89-Canada(6)
81,82,85,86,87-Masters(5)
83,85,90,92,93-Toyko Indoor(5)


Of all the players listed, only 2 are still active players, FED & HEWITT. I see FED adding a few more tournaments in the list in the next 3-4 years (like US & AUS Open).

christos_liaskos
03-09-2007, 03:16 AM
What is/was the Pepsi Slam? I see Borg won it 4 times

Shabazza
03-09-2007, 03:17 AM
Moose could you edit your first post and add Dubai to Federer's tournaments. He won it 4 times now. Better to update this thread, than to start a new one evereytime Federer or Hewitt or anyone else gets 4 wins in another tourney. ;) Thanks.

Moose Malloy
03-09-2007, 10:05 AM
Shabazza, I added Dubai in post 9. Federer has 2 other chances to 4-peat this year-Indian Wells & the Masters Cup.

vive le beau jeu, I looked up my copy of "Nastase" by Richard Evans, there is a chapter called "Jekyll & Hyde" that deals with many of his most famous blowups. They go into more details about that Ashe match.

Right after Ashe walked off the court, there was chaos in the lockeroom. The sponsor, chair umpire, & referree were deciding what to do. Apparently before Ashe walked off, the referree was already on his way to the court to default Nastase. But Ashe walking off caused a dilemma, because he certainly didn't approve of that either. They decided to give both players a default, since it was round robin, they both still had a chance to advance. Ashe said he would appeal that, & by next morning a commitee decided to give Ashe the win & Nasty the default. Ironically Ashe helped Nasty advance to the semis when he beat Orantes in the last RR match, had Orantes won, he & Ashe would have advanced, not Ashe & Nasty.

Nasty's excuse for the stalling was that he was being heckled before every serve & he stopped to yell at the guy everytime(nasty wasn't the type to ignore what fans said)

A few days later all was forgiven Ashe & Nasty were having a few beers at the hotel bar. Ashe(& most of the players) actually liked Nasty quite a bit offcourt, he was 'one of the guys'-unlike Mac & Connors. they just didn't like him oncourt too much.

noeledmonds
03-11-2007, 05:01 AM
imo, Nastase & Federer are the 2 most talented/complete players to play the game in the open era. mac was a unique talent, but was mainly just S&V. nasty could do it all, hit winners from everywhere, on the run, used all the shots. great athlete as well(not far off borg's speed) was a great player on grass as well as clay, eventhough he grew up on clay, he learned to master S&V.

Jimmy Connors said he is the biggest waste of talent in the history of the game, its hard to argue with that. Only won 2 slams.

was the atp #1 for '73, was probably the consensus #1 for '72(no computer) as well.

think he played more dc ties than any other #1 in the open era.

and as far as his masters record, have you heard this, it happened during his last masters win:

"In one remarkable case--- a few years before the advent of a point penalty system--- Arthur Ashe faced Ilie Nastase in Stockholm. In that 1975 clash--- the opening round robin contest for both players---Ashe led 4-1,15-40 in the final set. Nastase kept stalling and calling out, " Are you ready Mr. Ashe?" The normally imperturbable Ashe ran out of patience. He walked off the court, carrying out what he later called a "citizens arrest". Tournament officials met and decided to award Ashe the victory, recognizing that the umpire had not properly clamped down on Nastase. Ironically, Nastase recouped to win his next two matches and won the tournament over Bjorn Borg."

this is what he did after that default:

RR Orantes, Manuel (ESP) 3-6 6-4 6-4
RR Panatta, Adriano (ITA) 7-6 3-6 6-0
S Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-0 6-3 6-4
W Borg, Bjorn (SWE) 6-2 6-2 6-1

Nastase was undoutably a tallented player, but not that tallented. He had not really mastered S&V and was always far more confertable at the back of the court. Sure he came through a RR loss to win a tournament but generally Vilas had the edge over Nastase. The most tallented players should not need to an illegal racket to outplay an oponent. You remember what happened when the two met at Monte Carlo. Vilas double bagled Nastase 6-0 6-0. You can't really quantify tallent in terms of results but even the a Nastase fan would admit his voleying was far less than great.

There are many other players who wasted their tallent. Look at Rios who failed to win a grand slam. Rios is the only world number 1 to fail to win a GS since the ATP rankings began. Safin's tallent is worth more than 2 slams. After the way he demolished Sampras at the USO he was hardly expected to have just 2 slams at this stage of his career.

vive le beau jeu !
03-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Shabazza, I added Dubai in post 9. Federer has 2 other chances to 4-peat this year-Indian Wells & the Masters Cup.

vive le beau jeu, I looked up my copy of "Nastase" by Richard Evans, there is a chapter called "Jekyll & Hyde" that deals with many of his most famous blowups. They go into more details about that Ashe match.

Right after Ashe walked off the court, there was chaos in the lockeroom. The sponsor, chair umpire, & referree were deciding what to do. Apparently before Ashe walked off, the referree was already on his way to the court to default Nastase. But Ashe walking off caused a dilemma, because he certainly didn't approve of that either. They decided to give both players a default, since it was round robin, they both still had a chance to advance. Ashe said he would appeal that, & by next morning a commitee decided to give Ashe the win & Nasty the default. Ironically Ashe helped Nasty advance to the semis when he beat Orantes in the last RR match, had Orantes won, he & Ashe would have advanced, not Ashe & Nasty.

Nasty's excuse for the stalling was that he was being heckled before every serve & he stopped to yell at the guy everytime(nasty wasn't the type to ignore what fans said)

A few days later all was forgiven Ashe & Nasty were having a few beers at the hotel bar. Ashe(& most of the players) actually liked Nasty quite a bit offcourt, he was 'one of the guys'-unlike Mac & Connors. they just didn't like him oncourt too much.
thx for this story, moose (i only read your answer now). itīs always a pleasure to travel back in tennis time... :)
so no way any player could have had a beer (or even an orange juice ?) with bigmac or connors from times to times... in those times ? ;)

jhhachamp
03-19-2007, 02:33 PM
Shabazza, I added Dubai in post 9. Federer has 2 other chances to 4-peat this year-Indian Wells & the Masters Cup.

Don't forget about the US Open. Looks like he missed his chance to 4-peat at Indian Wells.

christos_liaskos
03-19-2007, 02:37 PM
Shabazza, I added Dubai in post 9. Federer has 2 other chances to 4-peat this year-Indian Wells & the Masters Cup.

He has chance at US Open too.

Moose Malloy
03-19-2007, 02:38 PM
Don't forget about the US Open. Looks like he missed his chance to 4-peat at Indian Wells.

I forgot Hamburg as well. Its crazy that he's won so many events at such a young age.

harrpau7
03-20-2007, 06:10 AM
Borg
FO (6)
Wimbledon (5)
Pepsi Grand Slam (4)

What about the number of different tournaments won by each player?

What's the Pepsi Grand Slam?

Moose Malloy
03-26-2012, 06:24 PM
updating this thread, 5 years later. So many titles for Fed & Nadal in so little time.

Federer
03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09 - Wimbledon(6)
04, 05, 06, 07, 08 - US Open(5)
04, 06, 07, 10 - Australian Open(4)
03, 04, 06, 07, 10, 11 - WTF(6)
03, 04, 05, 07, 12 - Dubai(5)
03, 04, 05, 06, 08 - Halle (5)
06, '07, 08, 10, 11 - Basel(5)
02, 04, 05, 07 - Hamburg(4)
05, 07, 09, 10 - Cincinnati(4)
04, 05, 06, 12 - Indian Wells(4)

Nadal
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11 - Monte Carlo(7)
05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11 - French Open(6)
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 - Barcelona(6)
05, 06, 07, 09, 10 - Rome(5)

Biscuitmcgriddleson
03-26-2012, 06:41 PM
updating this thread, 5 years later. So many titles for Fed & Nadal in so little time.

Federer
03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09 - Wimbledon(6)
04, 05, 06, 07, 08 - US Open(5)
04, 06, 07, 10 - Australian Open(4)
03, 04, 06, 07, 10, 11 - WTF(6)
03, 04, 05, 07, 12 - Dubai(5)
03, 04, 05, 06, 08 - Halle (5)
06, '07, 08, 10, 11 - Basel(5)
02, 04, 05, 07 - Hamburg(4)
05, 07, 09, 10 - Cincinnati(4)
04, 05, 06, 12 - Indian Wells(4)

Nadal
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11 - Monte Carlo(7)
05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11 - French Open(6)
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 - Barcelona(6)
05, 06, 07, 09, 10 - Rome(5)

I think you mean so much diversity for Federer.

celoft
03-26-2012, 07:19 PM
updating this thread, 5 years later. So many titles for Fed & Nadal in so little time.

Federer
03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09 - Wimbledon(6)
04, 05, 06, 07, 08 - US Open(5)
04, 06, 07, 10 - Australian Open(4)
03, 04, 06, 07, 10, 11 - WTF(6)
03, 04, 05, 07, 12 - Dubai(5)
03, 04, 05, 06, 08 - Halle (5)
06, '07, 08, 10, 11 - Basel(5)
02, 04, 05, 07 - Hamburg(4)
05, 07, 09, 10 - Cincinnati(4)
04, 05, 06, 12 - Indian Wells(4)

Nadal
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11 - Monte Carlo(7)
05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11 - French Open(6)
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 - Barcelona(6)
05, 06, 07, 09, 10 - Rome(5)

Fed, what a player.

Raz11
03-26-2012, 07:59 PM
updating this thread, 5 years later. So many titles for Fed & Nadal in so little time.

Federer
03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09 - Wimbledon(6)
04, 05, 06, 07, 08 - US Open(5)
04, 06, 07, 10 - Australian Open(4)
03, 04, 06, 07, 10, 11 - WTF(6)
03, 04, 05, 07, 12 - Dubai(5)
03, 04, 05, 06, 08 - Halle (5)
06, '07, 08, 10, 11 - Basel(5)
02, 04, 05, 07 - Hamburg(4)
05, 07, 09, 10 - Cincinnati(4)
04, 05, 06, 12 - Indian Wells(4)

Nadal
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11 - Monte Carlo(7)
05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11 - French Open(6)
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 - Barcelona(6)
05, 06, 07, 09, 10 - Rome(5)

Is Federer the only player to have won 4 or more titles on each surface?

TMF
03-26-2012, 09:11 PM
updating this thread, 5 years later. So many titles for Fed & Nadal in so little time.

Federer
03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 09 - Wimbledon(6)
04, 05, 06, 07, 08 - US Open(5)
04, 06, 07, 10 - Australian Open(4)
03, 04, 06, 07, 10, 11 - WTF(6)
03, 04, 05, 07, 12 - Dubai(5)
03, 04, 05, 06, 08 - Halle (5)
06, '07, 08, 10, 11 - Basel(5)
02, 04, 05, 07 - Hamburg(4)
05, 07, 09, 10 - Cincinnati(4)
04, 05, 06, 12 - Indian Wells(4)

Nadal
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11 - Monte Carlo(7)
05, 06, 07, 08, 10, 11 - French Open(6)
05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 11 - Barcelona(6)
05, 06, 07, 09, 10 - Rome(5)

NOt surprise Nadal only did it on clay. Because he never defend any title on non-clay event.

namelessone
03-26-2012, 11:12 PM
NOt surprise Nadal only did it on clay. Because he never defend any title on non-clay event.

Defense has nothing to do with overall nr. of titles, which is what this thread is about.

If Nadal won Tokio(random example) in 2005,2007,2009,2011 he would have 4 titles there but NO ACTUAL DEFENSE.

It's not surprising to see Rafa only with clay in this 4 or more category because Rafa has won only 14 non-clay tournies in his whole career. In 10 years or so on the pro tour(went pro in 2001) just 14 non-clay and his "best" overall title count in a non-clay event is in IW and WB, both with 2 wins.

TMF
03-27-2012, 12:20 AM
Defense has nothing to do with overall nr. of titles, which is what this thread is about.

If Nadal won Tokio(random example) in 2005,2007,2009,2011 he would have 4 titles there but NO ACTUAL DEFENSE.
I know. My point is since he never defended any non-clay title is the reason I'm not surprise that he only managed to do it clay.


It's not surprising to see Rafa only with clay in this 4 or more category because Rafa has won only 14 non-clay tournies in his whole career. In 10 years or so on the pro tour(went pro in 2001) just 14 non-clay and his "best" overall title count in a non-clay event is in IW and WB, both with 2 wins.
I'm not surprise either, and all fans felt the same.

Anyway, he needs to spread out his win across other surfaces. It's getting way too off balance, or 1 dimensional achievement.