PDA

View Full Version : Andy Roddick vs. Andy Murray a rivalry in the making?


tennishead93
02-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Which one do u think will have the upper hand in the future and will it be a significant rivalry?

Forehand Forever
02-25-2007, 11:57 AM
They're a few years apart though. To me a rivalry is players closer in age, besides the Nadal/Federer rivalry.

DueSouth
02-25-2007, 12:08 PM
I think roddick/murray rivalry would be fab......i remember murray saying before the san jose match "He's got the home support so i'll have to pretend the 'come on andy' 's are for me"

DueSouth
02-25-2007, 12:10 PM
They're a few years apart though. To me a rivalry is players closer in age, besides the Nadal/Federer rivalry.

actually there is the same age difference between nadal and federer as there is between murray and roddick.
Nadal=20 Federer=25
Murray=19 Roddick =24

But i do get what you mean.....i quite fancy a Murray/Nadal rivalry...that AO match was awesome

Bottle Rocket
02-25-2007, 12:17 PM
Doesn't seem like much of a rivalry. Murray beat Roddick at Wimbledon.

I hate it... Roddick should be beating this kid!

Anytime Roddick improves one aspect of his game I feel like another aspect drops off. He just can't put everything together. Murray uses all his skills and does whatever he has to do to keep his opponent off balance.

Roddick had Gilbert as a coach for a long time, Roddick should be capable of thinking on the court just as well as Murray.

Roddick is nowhere close to his potential. Murray is not either, but he has time to get there. Roddick should have been there.

tintin
02-25-2007, 01:03 PM
Murray is only going to get better with age ;)
he's got more variety in his game that Roddick can only dream of
he's all court/all surface player unlike Roddick at 24:D
Murray's footwork is wayyyyyyyy better than Roddick'slRoddick's footwork is garbage;he's a fit guy but he lumbers like a slow turtle on the court when he faces a Federer/Murray/Monfils

Roddick's new s/v game should have been taught when he was growing up,not now because he's become predictable(huge serve/forays at the net with less than decent volleys) so any good returner with good passing shots with beat him and god forbid Roddick's serves are off,than he's scr****:D

Murray needs to be fit,pack on muscles
work on his serves more,especially the second serves
and get fitter between the ears
yeh it's getting fun to watch them play:D

omniexist
02-25-2007, 01:12 PM
Doesn't seem like much of a rivalry. Murray beat Roddick at Wimbledon.

I hate it... Roddick should be beating this kid!

Anytime Roddick improves one aspect of his game I feel like another aspect drops off. He just can't put everything together. Murray uses all his skills and does whatever he has to do to keep his opponent off balance.

Roddick had Gilbert as a coach for a long time, Roddick should be capable of thinking on the court just as well as Murray.

Roddick is nowhere close to his potential. Murray is not either, but he has time to get there. Roddick should have been there.

Well Roddick won their last match ;)

ceejay
02-25-2007, 01:22 PM
I don't think two players could really have a serious rivalry without constantly meeting in the slams too.

And with Federer constantly getting to the finals, it'll just be down to the luck of the draw for the two Andy's to meet.

Ross K
02-25-2007, 02:06 PM
IS THIS TRUE?...

I read a newspaper report (here in UK) that last week in San Jose, Andy Murray had a serve clocked at 145 mph, thus making it the third fastest serve recorded ever in history. Now if this is indeed correct, I think it perfectly illustrates why so many ppl feel his potential is pretty-much unlimited (unlike ARod.) It isn't even as if Murray's serve was especially noteworthy before? I mean, if he can start finding results like that with his service, G knows what he'll be able to do with the rest of his game... plus he's only 19, isn't he?

DueSouth
02-25-2007, 02:14 PM
yeh i think i heard that aswell.....isnt the fastest ever something like 147mph by A.Rod.

Thomas15
02-25-2007, 02:25 PM
no isnt it some wheres between 150-155mph for roddick

krprunitennis2
02-25-2007, 02:27 PM
Doesn't seem like much of a rivalry. Murray beat Roddick at Wimbledon.

I hate it... Roddick should be beating this kid!

Anytime Roddick improves one aspect of his game I feel like another aspect drops off. He just can't put everything together. Murray uses all his skills and does whatever he has to do to keep his opponent off balance.

Roddick had Gilbert as a coach for a long time, Roddick should be capable of thinking on the court just as well as Murray.

Roddick is nowhere close to his potential. Murray is not either, but he has time to get there. Roddick should have been there.

=,( I want Roddick to be best again. Serve is swooshy!

krprunitennis2
02-25-2007, 02:27 PM
yeh i think i heard that aswell.....isnt the fastest ever something like 147mph by A.Rod.

yeah, 155. Btw, how many records has he set with his serve anyways? speed

Forehand Forever
02-25-2007, 02:33 PM
yeah, 155. Btw, how many records has he set with his serve anyways? speed

I'm just making an assumtion but could that be maybe like the fastest object produced without anything special like machinery?

Andres
02-25-2007, 02:56 PM
IS THIS TRUE?...

I read a newspaper report (here in UK) that last week in San Jose, Andy Murray had a serve clocked at 145 mph, thus making it the third fastest serve recorded ever in history. Now if this is indeed correct, I think it perfectly illustrates why so many ppl feel his potential is pretty-much unlimited (unlike ARod.) It isn't even as if Murray's serve was especially noteworthy before? I mean, if he can start finding results like that with his service, G knows what he'll be able to do with the rest of his game... plus he's only 19, isn't he?
145 mph is the 7th highest (I mean, the 7th person with the higher speed, cause Andy has hit a 155, a 153, a 150, and so, am I clear?) :p

Above Andy there's Roddick with 155, Guccione with 154, Dent with 153, Rusedski with 149, Karlovic with 145.6 and Ljubicic with 145. Pim Pim, Gonzo and Safin are there with 144, though.

callitout
02-25-2007, 02:56 PM
IS THIS TRUE?...

I read a newspaper report (here in UK) that last week in San Jose, Andy Murray had a serve clocked at 145 mph, thus making it the third fastest serve recorded ever in history. Now if this is indeed correct, I think it perfectly illustrates why so many ppl feel his potential is pretty-much unlimited (unlike ARod.) It isn't even as if Murray's serve was especially noteworthy before? I mean, if he can start finding results like that with his service, G knows what he'll be able to do with the rest of his game... plus he's only 19, isn't he?
Murray serves under 50%; he will improve if he can hit a good serve 55-60% like most top 10 players.

krprunitennis2
02-25-2007, 03:12 PM
145 mph is the 7th highest (I mean, the 7th person with the higher speed, cause Andy has hit a 155, a 153, a 150, and so, am I clear?) :p

Above Andy there's Roddick with 155, Guccione with 154, Dent with 153, Rusedski with 149, Karlovic with 145.6 and Ljubicic with 145. Pim Pim, Gonzo and Safin are there with 144, though.


When will you make a vid of yoooself? =,(

C_Smith
02-25-2007, 05:23 PM
im pretty sure karlovic hit a 155 too so hes tied for the record

Ross K
02-25-2007, 10:33 PM
From Daily Mirror (Sat. 24 Feb):

Fastest serves recorded (mph)
Andy Roddick.............155
Greg Rudedski............149
Andy Murray...............145
Mark Phillippousis........141
Goran Ivanisevic..........135

"Rocket man Andy Murray is ready to launch himself into the top ten of the world on the back of a searing serve which is now too hot to handle. In retaining his title in San Jose last week, the Scottish Cyclone sent down a missile serve of 145 mph - a personal best and a warning heard around the world by the world's top players. The Dunblane teenager out-aced Andy Roddick, 14-9 in the last four, before taming giant Ivo Karlovic in the final"...

British Davis Cup captain John Lloyd quote from same article: "He has got an extra snap in his game and all his shots seem to be coming off the racquet harder. He has put on 10 pounds of muscle - he is ripped now... He showed he has more power. He could just unload on a shot and it was breathtaking. There was gasps from the crowd at the pace he was hitting. And it is huge to have a massive serve like that because you desperately need cheap points"...


I take ppls points - and if the top graphic isn't correct, these newspapers are really pretty slack in printing such errors...?

caulcano
02-26-2007, 01:14 AM
Which one do u think will have the upper hand in the future and will it be a significant rivalry?

Looks like they're fairly evenly matched atm. However, I feel RODD is at his potential were as MURRAY still has aspects of his game to improve.

Shabazza
02-26-2007, 01:48 AM
From Daily Mirror (Sat. 24 Feb):

Fastest serves recorded (mph)
Andy Roddick.............155
Greg Rudedski............149
Andy Murray...............145
Mark Phillippousis........141
Goran Ivanisevic..........135

I take ppls points - and if the top graphic isn't correct, these newspapers are really pretty slack in printing such errors...?

The newspaper is wrong. Andres stats are right, but most of those high-speed serves were made during DC-ties (e.g. Guccione and Roddick).

WayneCM
02-26-2007, 07:24 AM
Roddick/murray is a good rivalry:
They don't seem keen on 1 another, its 3-2 to murray, and it seems that they bring out the best in 1 another and the tussles go back and forward.

shrakkie
02-26-2007, 09:00 AM
This would be a fantastic rivalry for NOW. I think in the future,say 3-5 years Murray may have the CLEAR upperhand. So for the time-being it seems like a good rivalry.

Budgerigar
02-26-2007, 09:20 AM
murray's undeveloped serve is main reason he's only got a 3-2 record against roddick.

lajollatnsplyr
02-26-2007, 10:16 AM
As Andy Roddick said about his rivalry with Federer at Wimbledon "it's not a rivalry until I win one"...I don't believe he has beaten Murray as of yet.

wildbill88AA
02-26-2007, 10:23 AM
the only rivalry that matters is federer and who ever hes playing right now.

Andres
02-26-2007, 10:32 AM
From Daily Mirror (Sat. 24 Feb):

Fastest serves recorded (mph)
Andy Roddick.............155
Greg Rudedski............149
Andy Murray...............145
Mark Phillippousis........141
Goran Ivanisevic..........135

As far as I've found, the numbers goes like this:

Andy Roddick............155,00
Chris Guccione............155,00
Taylor Dent............153,00
Greg Rusedski............149,00
Ivo Karlovic............145,60
Ivan Ljubicic............145,00
Andy Murray............145,00
Nicolas Massu............144,40
Joachim Johannson............144,00
Marat Safin............144,00
Fernando Gonzalez............144,00
Jose Acasuso............143,13
Agustin Calleri............143,00
Mark Philippoussis............142,30
Max Mirnyi............142,00
Thomas Johannson............142,00
Fernando Verdasco............141,25
Wayne Arthurs............141,00
Danielle Bracciali............141,00
Mario Ancic............141,00
Dmitry Tursunov............141,00
Wesley Moodie............140,00
Pete Sampras............139,00
Feliciano Lopez............139,00
Gael Monfils............138,15
Nicolas Almagro............138,15
Richard Gasquet............138,00
Richard Krajicek............137,60
Radek Stepanek............137,00
Thomas Berdych............136,90
Carlos Moya............136,85
Goran Ivanisevic............136,00
Roger Federer............136,00
Juan Martin Del Potro............135,6
Nikolay Davydenko............135,60
Boris Becker............135,00

At least, down to 135 mph.
Of course there are many other players who hit a couple of 135 and 140 (like Tsonga), but I haven't put them in the list.

Ross K
02-26-2007, 12:21 PM
As far as I've found, the numbers goes like this:

Andy Roddick............155,00
Chris Guccione............155,00
Taylor Dent............153,00
Greg Rusedski............149,00
Ivo Karlovic............145,60
Ivan Ljubicic............145,00
Andy Murray............145,00
Nicolas Massu............144,40
Joachim Johannson............144,00
Marat Safin............144,00
Fernando Gonzalez............144,00
Jose Acasuso............143,13
Agustin Calleri............143,00
Mark Philippoussis............142,30
Max Mirnyi............142,00
Thomas Johannson............142,00
Fernando Verdasco............141,25
Wayne Arthurs............141,00
Danielle Bracciali............141,00
Mario Ancic............141,00
Dmitry Tursunov............141,00
Wesley Moodie............140,00
Pete Sampras............139,00
Feliciano Lopez............139,00
Gael Monfils............138,15
Nicolas Almagro............138,15
Richard Gasquet............138,00
Richard Krajicek............137,60
Radek Stepanek............137,00
Thomas Berdych............136,90
Carlos Moya............136,85
Goran Ivanisevic............136,00
Roger Federer............136,00
Juan Martin Del Potro............135,6
Nikolay Davydenko............135,60
Boris Becker............135,00

At least, down to 135 mph.
Of course there are many other players who hit a couple of 135 and 140 (like Tsonga), but I haven't put them in the list.

Great list - and if correct (I'm sure it is), as well as surprising me as regards how it affects the English newspaper's table of servers - (it appears to be somewhat bending the truth in order to 'big up' Andy Murray, or burying such facts as sometimes there are more than one player on a certain speed) - but to not give mention at all of Dent and Guccione really is peculiar, isn't it? In fact, I can't help but wonder, were those serves of Guccione and Dent fully legit? Anyone know if there were any problems there with authentication? Whatever. I suppose I just don't understand why there are these omissions and different listings... I mean, for example, in track and field, there is a clear, verifiable list of the fastest 100 metres runners ever. And I'm sure it would be the same with a huge number of sports. Hmmm...

Andres
02-26-2007, 01:09 PM
Guccione's 155 mph serve was in the first round of Davis Cup, last year. I saw it live on TV. The serve was blazing fast, 37th ace (on clay), and the whole crowed just stared in awe. They showed the radar gun, and it showed 248 km/h... the fastest I've ever seen.

Jaen
02-26-2007, 04:37 PM
As Andy Roddick said about his rivalry with Federer at Wimbledon "it's not a rivalry until I win one"...I don't believe he has beaten Murray as of yet.


Memphis SF.

ShcMad
02-26-2007, 06:23 PM
I don't think Andy Roddick and Andy Murray are going to be rivals. I expect Murray to be kicking Roddick's behind consistently in the near future.

Freedom
02-26-2007, 08:57 PM
What happened to Gael Monfils? He was supposed to be Murray's rival, no? I would love to see those two play when they're at their best. I've never seen Monfils play, but I've heard he's crazy.

DueSouth
02-27-2007, 04:08 AM
I've never seen Monfils play, but I've heard he's crazy.
He totally is!!!Some people only slide on clay but he slides on EVERYTHING. I saw a slow mo replay of him sliding on hard court at the AO, he legs look soooo odd.....shouts 'Allez!!' alot too

WayneCM
02-27-2007, 05:30 AM
As Andy Roddick said about his rivalry with Federer at Wimbledon "it's not a rivalry until I win one"...I don't believe he has beaten Murray as of yet.

eh he's beatin murray twice, in cincinatti last year and this year in memphis... And i love the way ppl think murray is jus gonna go beyond roddick, murray has potential but so do and have many others... Murrays serve is fine, the 2nd could use work but his issues r between the ears, he's a little b i t c hfar 2 often, roddick can be a b i t c h but it rarely affects his game when murray does it he suffers...