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Argentino a morir
02-26-2007, 08:36 AM
it will sound really rare, but I heard that the atp paid mariano puerta about 4 million dolars to mantain silence when his doping was postive in the french open final in 2005. Rafaels nadal doping gave positive and not hes. But as you can image they couldn`t suspend nadal due to its image and fame, and they do what they do with puerta.

RMB
02-26-2007, 09:13 AM
Yeah! The same with Juan I. Chela, Guillermo Coria, Guillermo Cañas, etc. They were framed!

Andres
02-26-2007, 10:42 AM
it will sound really rare, but I heard that the atp paid mariano puerta about 4 million dolars to mantain silence when his doping was postive in the french open final in 2005. Rafaels nadal doping gave positive and not hes. But as you can image they couldn`t suspend nadal due to its image and fame, and they do what they do with puerta.
Yo no lo creo, y me parece una gansada.

English translation: I can't believe that, and sounds like nonsense to me.

diegaa
02-26-2007, 10:48 AM
you should definetely give a source to that info, otherwise it´s just a crappy gossip.

javier sergio
02-26-2007, 10:54 AM
it will sound really rare, but I heard that the atp paid mariano puerta about 4 million dolars to mantain silence when his doping was postive in the french open final in 2005. Rafaels nadal doping gave positive and not hes. But as you can image they couldn`t suspend nadal due to its image and fame, and they do what they do with puerta.


I'VE GOT THE SAME STORY LAsT WEEK FROM A LOCAL PRO !!!!!

It's a lot better for this bussiness (tennis) to have a Nadal than having Puerta.
Nadal sells a lot more than Puerta so.....

Andres
02-26-2007, 10:59 AM
How are we going to believe this??

p3k
02-26-2007, 11:02 AM
4 mil is not enough, just think how much would nike, babolat... pay for keeping him silent

Andres
02-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Argentino y Javier: quien fue el que comentó esto? quien es el local pro que dijo esto?

javier sergio
02-26-2007, 11:06 AM
Argentino y Javier: quien fue el que comentó esto? quien es el local pro que dijo esto?


Andres,

esto suena como la historia sobre Maradona, no? es solo una casualidad que lo que dice este chico me lo comentaron a mi la semana pasada. Dicen que le pagaron a Puerta para hacer el test en lugar de Nadal.......nada documentado, es solo un rumor.

>Javier

jelle v
02-26-2007, 01:04 PM
English please.. this is an international forum.

So: What did you say? :)

Forehand Forever
02-26-2007, 01:59 PM
source much?

Andres
02-26-2007, 02:02 PM
English please.. this is an international forum.

So: What did you say? :)
International forum: Meaning there are people who doesn't speak english. Meaning that some people don't have the obbligation of speaking english.
Meaning that in the rules, it's not specified "ENGLISH ONLY", cause spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world, after mandarin chinese :)

The Gorilla
02-26-2007, 02:04 PM
From wikipedia

Doping controversies

In 2003 Puerta received a two-year doping suspension after testing positive for clenbuterol at Viña del Mar. In his defense he argued that the substance had been administered to him by his doctor to combat asthma and that it had no performance-enhancing effect. The sanction was subsequently reduced to nine months suspension and a US$5600 fine.

In 2005, he was once again banned, this time after he tested positive for the use of the cardiac stimulant etilefrine. The suspension was for 8 years, the longest so far in tennis history. Puerta also had his results disqualified from every event from the 2005 French Open onwards, and forfeited all his entry ranking points and prize money. Since he had recently lost the French Open final to Spain's Rafael Nadal, that signified a loss of €443,282 (£300,671, $456,000).

The International Tennis Federation tribunal noted, however, that "The amount of etilefrine in his body was too small to have any effect on his performance" [1]. Puerta appealed against the ban, claiming on his web site that he only ingested trace amounts of it accidentally left over by his wife in a glass.

On July 12, 2006 his suspension was reduced to 2 years by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, making him eligible to restart his career on June 5th 2007.


Poor guy, just a scapegoat.Maybe he'll pull a Tommy Haas though.

vive le beau jeu !
02-26-2007, 02:18 PM
International forum: Meaning there are people who doesn't speak english. Meaning that some people don't have the obbligation of speaking english.
Meaning that in the rules, it's not specified "ENGLISH ONLY", cause spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world, after mandarin chinese :)
quieres decir que ahora debemos todos hablar 正音書院 ?! :)

Andres
02-26-2007, 02:21 PM
quieres decir que ahora debemos todos hablar 正音書院 ?! :)
I wouldn't mind :)
How many of you does speak mandarin fluently anyway? :)

jelle v
02-26-2007, 02:25 PM
International forum: Meaning there are people who doesn't speak english. Meaning that some people don't have the obbligation of speaking english.
Meaning that in the rules, it's not specified "ENGLISH ONLY", cause spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world, after mandarin chinese :)

It's not polite, imo even very rude.. There are people here who don't understand spanish. I'm very curious as to what you said still.

vive le beau jeu !
02-26-2007, 02:25 PM
I wouldn't mind :)
How many of you does speak mandarin fluently anyway? :)
i wish i could !

i did some russian and found it cool to have to deal with another alphabet (well... at least partially different !)... but learning mandarin must be a more complicated experience !
i'd like to try... ;)

Feña14
02-26-2007, 02:31 PM
I don't believe the stuff about Nadal, would really shake up the game if it was true but I just can't see it.

As for Puerta, I feel he was innocent. The traces were not enough to give him an advantage which makes an 8 year ban seem pretty silly, particularly as it seems apparent he didn't have the intent to take the substance.

I think he is due back in June so hopefully he will be able to get back to somewhere near the level that his talent deserves.

Argentino a morir
02-26-2007, 02:36 PM
yo trabaje en la copa telmex, toda la semana pasada, y el rumor me llego, y lo verifique de varias fuentes que saben de tenis.
lo que digo tiene su logica, si lo vemos desde el punto de vista comercial, a la atp tanto como al tenis en general, no le conviene que nadal sea suspendido por doping justo despues de ganar roland garros, seria un fraude para el tenis no? puerta ya tubo un caso de doping anterior, ya hace varios años y dudo que se arriesgue a tomar algo que pueda estar contaminado y justo antes de esa final, el partido mas importante de su carrera! tambien crea sus sospechas que le bajen la sancion a puerta a 2 años cuando en realidad por ser reincidente tendria que ser suspendido de por vida, y mas ahora que la atp esta tan firme con los casos de doping.
Nadal vende mas que puerta y creo hasta cierto punto ese rumor. Este español salto a la fama en menos de 6 meses, de ser un chico nomas sin mucho fisico a tener la musculatura y resistencia que tiene suena demasiado raro. piensenlo

Argentino a morir
02-26-2007, 02:41 PM
I worked all last week in the telmex cup, atp of buenos aires, and I heard the rumor there! Is logic, since nadal sells much more image than mariano puerta!
read the hole post in spanish, is much more complete.

Zaragoza
02-26-2007, 02:53 PM
I heard Elvis is actually relaxing in some island in the Pacific. What do you think, should I make a thread of this?
I don´t know how someone had the balls to make a thread of this.
If your point is that Puerta didn´t deserve to be suspended for 2 years it´s ok, but let alone this "patriotism" slandering other guy who is a legitimate champion. Let´s defend Puerta but what you did is totally classless, not a good way to start here.

Feña14
02-26-2007, 02:58 PM
I worked all last week in the telmex cup, atp of buenos aires, and I heard the rumor there! Is logic, since nadal sells much more image than mariano puerta!
read the hole post in spanish, is much more complete.

I wish I could read it lol ;)

It certainly is logical but I don't think the ATP would be that corrupt, also for Puerta to have to live with the stigma of being a cheat and to never play competitive tennis again would be something that i'm sure no amount of money could persuade him to do.

javier sergio
02-26-2007, 03:00 PM
International forum: Meaning there are people who doesn't speak english. Meaning that some people don't have the obbligation of speaking english.
Meaning that in the rules, it's not specified "ENGLISH ONLY", cause spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world, after mandarin chinese :)

Andres, I could have not said that better, thanks !!!!

javier sergio
02-26-2007, 03:07 PM
I heard Elvis is actually relaxing in some island in the Pacific. What do you think, should I make a thread of this?
I don´t know how someone had the balls to make a thread of this.
If your point is that Puerta didn´t deserve to be suspended for 2 years it´s ok, but let alone this "patriotism" slandering other guy who is a legitimate champion. Let´s defend Puerta but what you did is totally classless, not a good way to start here.


Talking about "patriotism" I think your position is clearly in favour of Nadal, ovbiously Zaragosa you are Spaniard...........so don't ask the other ones to be objective when you're not.

vive le beau jeu !
02-26-2007, 03:10 PM
I heard Elvis is actually relaxing in some island in the Pacific. What do you think, should I make a thread of this?
ah you saw him too, in bora-bora ?
i was very surprised to see him working as a barman... but i have to admit his piña colada was very good ! ;)

grimpi
02-26-2007, 04:00 PM
Elvis is with Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison in a beatufil island in the Pacific enjoying his millons and drinking goods drinks and Puerta is the owner of the hotel (he buy it with the millons of his doping case).

Andres
02-26-2007, 04:13 PM
ah you saw him too, in bora-bora ?
i was very surprised to see him working as a barman... but i have to admit his piña colada was very good ! ;)
You think?
I didn't like it that much... but the Tequila Sunrise was delightful! :D

EXQUISITE ;)

Zaragoza
02-26-2007, 05:05 PM
Talking about "patriotism" I think your position is clearly in favour of Nadal, ovbiously Zaragosa you are Spaniard...........so don't ask the other ones to be objective when you're not.

Don´t make me laugh. Anyone with a brain would say it´s a silly accusation, you don´t need to be spaniard or argentinian. If some spaniard player tested positive, I would never slander the guy who played against him to defend the spaniard player.
"Objective" is someone who doesn´t believe some rumour without a proof, so I´m being objective here and the guy who said that isn´t being objective.
Now someone who reacts against a non-sense accusation isn´t objective? Give me a break.
And he´s not just slandering Nadal, he is also insulting Puerta if he implies his dignity as a person and an athlete costs 4 million $.
Off the record, Puerta is my favourite player between the non-spaniards.

jelle v
02-26-2007, 05:48 PM
Andres, I could have not said that better, thanks !!!!

It's to bad that you aren't even willing to translate and share information when asked to. Spanish maybe the second language in the world, but English is much more widespread around the globe. It's obvious you are able to read and write in english. Don't want to argue any further about it.

On-Topic:
I would be happy to see Puerat back in the game after this summer. Just hope that he will be able to reach the same level again, and that will be very hard. Is he still ranked actually? :confused:

diegaa
02-26-2007, 06:33 PM
yo trabaje en la copa telmex, toda la semana pasada, y el rumor me llego, y lo verifique de varias fuentes que saben de tenis.
lo que digo tiene su logica, si lo vemos desde el punto de vista comercial, a la atp tanto como al tenis en general, no le conviene que nadal sea suspendido por doping justo despues de ganar roland garros, seria un fraude para el tenis no? puerta ya tubo un caso de doping anterior, ya hace varios años y dudo que se arriesgue a tomar algo que pueda estar contaminado y justo antes de esa final, el partido mas importante de su carrera! tambien crea sus sospechas que le bajen la sancion a puerta a 2 años cuando en realidad por ser reincidente tendria que ser suspendido de por vida, y mas ahora que la atp esta tan firme con los casos de doping.
Nadal vende mas que puerta y creo hasta cierto punto ese rumor. Este español salto a la fama en menos de 6 meses, de ser un chico nomas sin mucho fisico a tener la musculatura y resistencia que tiene suena demasiado raro. piensenlo



no, si lógica tiene. el tema está en que hasta que no cites tu fuente yo no te creo un pepino.

una aclaración: justo cuando nadal empezó a tener más físico es la edad (17-18 años) en que te empezás a desarrollar, sin misterios. No es que lo esté defendiendo, pero es un proceso normal si el pibe se rompió el orto en el gimnasio.

diegaa
02-26-2007, 06:37 PM
It's to bad that you aren't even willing to translate and share information when asked to. Spanish maybe the second language in the world, but English is much more widespread around the globe. It's obvious you are able to read and write in english. Don't want to argue any further about it.

On-Topic:
I would be happy to see Puerat back in the game after this summer. Just hope that he will be able to reach the same level again, and that will be very hard. Is he still ranked actually? :confused:

it is not rude, jelle. dont take it the wrong way. what u wanna know?

Phil
02-26-2007, 06:40 PM
Spanish maybe the second language in the world, but English is much more widespread around the globe. It's obvious you are able to read and write in english. Don't want to argue any further about it.

Hmmm...funny, but somehow, I thought Mandarin CHINESE was up there as #2 (or #1) in the world...but I might be wrong...(though it's doubtful...;) )

diegaa
02-26-2007, 06:43 PM
Hmmm...funny, but somehow, I thought Mandarin CHINESE was up there as #2 (or #1) in the world...but I might be wrong...(though it's doubtful...;) )

hey phil, read andres post before that, it was already said. ;)

The Grand Slam
02-26-2007, 06:52 PM
As much as I dislike... hate... DESPISE Nadal, what the OP said just cracks me up. XD I mean, as if.

ja_
02-26-2007, 08:52 PM
it is not rude, jelle. dont take it the wrong way. what u wanna know?
Yes, it is rude for people to speak in another language and not let the others understand, while they are easily capable of doing so. Not saying that anyone who hasn't helped the non-Spanish speaking people are simply rude people in general, but the act is rude.
Jelle, there are a lot of make-shift translators all over the internet. Babel Fish is good. It's not perfect, but you can get the basic understanding. There isn't much to what was said, however: OP said that it was easy to let Puerta be "caught" so to speak because he has already been "guilty" before, so the second time would look just as guilty. It wouldn't be convenient for the ATP to let Nadal get "caught." He also said that he worked at the Copa Telmex all last week and had various sources confirm his speculations. That's as much as I understood.

I think it's only a conspiracy theory and nothing more. I've been hearing this rumor about Nadal doping for two years. Nothing has come of it and probably never will. Without confirmations, these are all just speculations, and maybe wishful thinking on part of the anti-Nadal's.

vive le beau jeu !
02-27-2007, 02:34 AM
Elvis is with Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison in a beatufil island in the Pacific enjoying his millons and drinking goods drinks and Puerta is the owner of the hotel (he buy it with the millons of his doping case).
waow, this definitely explains... everything !!! :D

You think?
I didn't like it that much... but the Tequila Sunrise was delightful! :D

EXQUISITE
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Beverage/LimeMargarita.jpghis margarita was exquisita too... cheers ! ;)

Andres
02-27-2007, 04:03 AM
yes sir, no sir, hot dog, hot dog, goodbye! :D

and VLBJ: Cheers!!
http://www.hereford.is/files/fordrykkir/tequila%20sunrise%20cr.jpghttp://www.zoommagazine.dk/img/artikler/tequila-sunrise-art6950.jpg

vive le beau jeu !
02-27-2007, 04:25 AM
andres, isn't it indecent that we organize this cocktail party while we were supposed to talk about doping ?... ;)

Andres
02-27-2007, 04:31 AM
andres, isn't it indecent that we organize this cocktail party while we were supposed to talk about doping ?... ;)
I barely know the meaning of the word DECENCY :D:D:D

pound cat
02-27-2007, 04:35 AM
English please.. this is an international forum.

So: What did you say? :)


Well if this is an international forum everyone should be posting in his own language if he wants. I think you mean this is an English language message board with international posters. Oui???

Andres
02-27-2007, 04:36 AM
Well if this is an international forum everyone should be posting in his own language if he wants. I think you mean this is an English language message board with international posters. Oui???
But this is not an English language message board, that's my point :)
It doesn't say anything about the Language in the rules or FAQ :)

haerdalis
02-27-2007, 04:39 AM
This sounds like something out of prison break.

verdascoynadal
02-27-2007, 01:39 PM
ok guys! whatever happened happened already! its done! even without steroids he was a good player! he will be back hopefully! look at canas even if he didnt do it! or if he did it! now hes clean and look how he is playing!

pound cat
02-27-2007, 01:45 PM
But this is not an English language message board, that's my point :)
It doesn't say anything about the Language in the rules or FAQ :)



будет то факт?

norcal
02-27-2007, 02:13 PM
But this is not an English language message board, that's my point :)
It doesn't say anything about the Language in the rules or FAQ :)I think when the whole site is in english and the home site is based in the US then it's safe to assume it's an english based message board.

That being said the old, 'oooh, Nadal has muscles he must be on steroids' rumors are tiresome. And they are rarely leveled by Americans because we are used to athletes having a developed upper body.

jktennis59
02-27-2007, 06:44 PM
I have a picture of my son with Nadal in the year 2004. At that time Nadal was about 1.80 m (5'11" ) tall and he was 17 years old. He was already a strong guy and his weight was around 75 - 78 Kgs. Right now, four years later, according to atptennis.com, he is 1.85 m (6' 1"), 85 Kgs (188 lbs.)
So he grew 5 cm (2") and increased his weight in 8 - 10 Kg (about 20 lbs.).
Is that unusual at that age? I don't think so.

I can't understand what's the deal with Nadal. He is a strong player with great legs for tennis. His strokes, full of topspin makes feel Federer uncomfortable. But Nadal is far from being invencible. His main achievement are his victories over Federer. These matches put him in the headlines. His flamboyant game is very attactive to fans and media. So it can't be real. There has to be something wrong because he's too good. Doping? steroids? There has to be a reason for this incredible physical development. I'll bet Nadal is taking banned substances......please...that's stupid!!!

My son, who is in this picture , in the same period grew 12" and is about 15 Kgs. heavier. Steroids? Absolutely not. He eats like an animal and practices tennis 3 hours per day.

By the way, the same day of this picture, Nadal defeated Federer 6/3 6/3 at the Nasdaq 100 Open.

http://picasaweb.google.es/jlkm2219/FotosNasdaq/photo#5035502649891198498

Regarding Puerta, I wish he would return to the élite of tennis. I really liked his game. He commited a mistake, same as Chela, Cañas and other argentinian players. Frankly I don't think that these players needed that substances to success in tennis. I think they took an easier way to recover from injuries. It was just stupid, not an anti-argentinian conspiracy.

P.S. To the non spanish speaking members: "www" means world wide web, globalization the whole world, different countries and cultures. USA in not the navel of the world and english is not the only important language. As a latino I'm proud of my mother language and I'm doing an effort to speak and write in english. Maybe I'm not Shakespeare but at least I'm trying to do my best.
Writing in spanish is not in any way a lack of respect to the forum.

Best regards, saludos, shalom, salaam, ciao, aufwidrsehen.....

Zaragoza
02-28-2007, 04:51 AM
I´m agree with most of the things you say except that Nadal´s main achievement is beating Federer. That´s something to admire but his 2 French Open titles, Wimbledon final, no.2 ranking in the last 2 years and longest streak on clay ever are much more important achievements to me. I could mention the Davis Cup title in 2004 but that´s a teams competition.

jktennis59
02-28-2007, 05:05 AM
I´m agree with most of the things you say except that Nadal´s main achievement is beating Federer. That´s something to admire but his 2 French Open titles, Wimbledon final, no.2 ranking in the last 2 years and longest streak on clay ever are much more important achievements to me. I could mention the Davis Cup title in 2004 but that´s a teams competition.

Winning two Roland garros is a great achievement. No doubt. Kuerten won three RG and never had the media coverage that Nadal has. Nadal is a great player, but his rivalry with Federer and the fact that he has a positive balance against him, is, according to what I've seen in the media, even more important than his two RG and other great perfomances.

Limitaciones del idioma. Saludos.

jelle v
02-28-2007, 05:44 AM
But this is not an English language message board, that's my point :)
It doesn't say anything about the Language in the rules or FAQ :)

Well.. it doesn't say "charla del tenis" at the top of this page now does it? It says Talk Tennis, that seems pretty english to me. Just look at all the words on this site, do you see any spanish words. I only see english words. What's FAQ in spanish anyway?

ja_
02-28-2007, 06:26 AM
Well.. it doesn't say "charla del tenis" at the top of this page now does it? It says Talk Tennis, that seems pretty english to me. Just look at all the words on this site, do you see any spanish words. I only see english words. What's FAQ in spanish anyway?
Just calm down, che. Everyone these days has to be at least half bilingual anyway.

jktennis59
02-28-2007, 06:27 PM
Hey ladies and gentlemen, let's talk about tenis.

To the only english speaking people: we know that TW is based in USA and "Tennis Talk" is english, but you have to understand that, possibly there are people in this forum that make an effort to write in english. What's the big deal if somebody writes in spanish? Is that an offense to you? Is that rude? Absolutely not. TW is a global forum in which are people from several countries and cultures. Don't be so narrow minded.
If someone writes in italian or french I'll try to understand him.
By the way, spanish is the second language in USA.

Saludos.

jmsx521
02-28-2007, 08:14 PM
Puerta's suspension end June/July? Does anyone know if Mariano has been practicing... is he ATP-fit... is he making a comeback like Canas?

Phil
02-28-2007, 09:31 PM
hey phil, read andres post before that, it was already said. ;)

I missed it...but unfortunately for both of you, technically, Spanish is #4 in the world after Chinese Mandarin, English and Hindu...sorry guys. You lose. No more Espanol is to be spoken on this board...take these fer-en conversations onto AIM...;)

_mats_
02-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Phil,

So by your reasoning we should be speaking Chinese Mandaring since its #1 then? instead of English?

dima
02-28-2007, 09:39 PM
будет то факт?

Lol, good one!

Anyway, spanish speaking people can go create their own tiende de tennis

Phil
02-28-2007, 10:00 PM
Phil,

So by your reasoning we should be speaking Chinese Mandaring since its #1 then? instead of English?

Actually, I don't recall using any pattern of "reasoning" in my post-I corrected a poster regarding the most commonly spoken languages in the world-so maybe you're digging a bit too deep there, spanky. Also, notice the "smiley" used at the end...or is that not in your language?

_mats_
02-28-2007, 10:19 PM
hah the smiley looked like a tennis ball to me ;) I need a new monitor it seems ;)

all good spanky.. I mean Phil, you just said that spanish was not to be spoken since it was #4, only English which by your standards is #2.

Since you highlighted a numerical ranking order and mentioned the term "lose" I expected we should speak the obvious "winner" or #1, which happens to be Chinese Mandarin.

All good, I speak 5 languages, so I should be covered

;)

Matt-

Phil
02-28-2007, 10:50 PM
hah the smiley looked like a tennis ball to me ;) I need a new monitor it seems ;)

all good spanky.. I mean Phil, you just said that spanish was not to be spoken since it was #4, only English which by your standards is #2.

Since you highlighted a numerical ranking order and mentioned the term "lose" I expected we should speak the obvious "winner" or #1, which happens to be Chinese Mandarin.

All good, I speak 5 languages, so I should be covered

;)

Matt-

If you're covered, wtf is your problem, getting all defensive over this? What does a numerical ranking have to do with what language should be spoken on this board? For your information, the DEFAULT language IS English, since it's an American-owned board, the software and FAQ's are in English and most of the participants come from English speaking countries or can converse fairly well in English with the majority of posters.

What language someone speaks is their business, but if it's a language that only a few or no one understands, that kinda defeats the purpose of a public message board that orginates from the USA, now doesn't it?

Andres
03-01-2007, 05:37 AM
I missed it...but unfortunately for both of you, technically, Spanish is #4 in the world after Chinese Mandarin, English and Hindu...sorry guys. You lose. No more Espanol is to be spoken on this board...take these fer-en conversations onto AIM...;)
The Summer Institute for Linguistics (SIL) Ethnologue Survey (1999) lists the following as the top languages by population:
(number of native speakers in parentheses)

Chinese* (937,132,000)
Spanish (332,000,000)
English (322,000,000)
Bengali (189,000,000)
Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000)
Arabic* (174,950,000)
Portuguese (170,000,000)
Russian (170,000,000)
Japanese (125,000,000)
German (98,000,000)
French* (79,572,000)

The following list is from Dr. Bernard Comrie’s article for the Encarta Encyclopedia (1998):
(number of native speakers in parentheses)

Mandarin Chinese (836 million)
Hindi (333 million)
Spanish (332 million) (1 million people less?)
English (322 million)
Bengali (189 million)
Arabic (186 million)
Russian (170 million)
Portuguese (170 million)
Japanese (125 million)
German (98 million)
French (72 million)

:)

jktennis59
03-01-2007, 09:22 AM
To the american members: don't be afraid, don't worry, we won't invade your country.

By the way, hispanics are the 1st. minority in USA.

Phil
03-01-2007, 04:57 PM
The Summer Institute for Linguistics (SIL) Ethnologue Survey (1999) lists the following as the top languages by population:
(number of native speakers in parentheses)

Chinese* (937,132,000)
Spanish (332,000,000)
English (322,000,000)
Bengali (189,000,000)
Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000)
Arabic* (174,950,000)
Portuguese (170,000,000)
Russian (170,000,000)
Japanese (125,000,000)
German (98,000,000)
French* (79,572,000)

The following list is from Dr. Bernard Comrie’s article for the Encarta Encyclopedia (1998):
(number of native speakers in parentheses)

Mandarin Chinese (836 million)
Hindi (333 million)
Spanish (332 million) (1 million people less?)
English (322 million)
Bengali (189 million)
Arabic (186 million)
Russian (170 million)
Portuguese (170 million)
Japanese (125 million)
German (98 million)
French (72 million)

:)

Sorry, Andres, but neither of those surveys include the English speakers in INDIA (over 100 million-it is one of the official government languages). But...nothing wrong with 4th place. ;)

Wait...if the populations of USA, Canada, UK/Ireland, Australia, NZ, the English speaking Carribean and English speaking Oceana together are over 400 million, where does this guy get "322 million" English speakers? Even if you subtract 25 million Spanish speakers in the US and 7 million French speakers in Canada, we're still talking about a big number, even without India. Ooops...I think your study is bogus, but anything in the service of nationalism, eh, bud?;-)

Starlite
03-01-2007, 07:03 PM
будет то факт?

Hee hee. From http://bigrussiansoul.org's FAQ page:

Question: Isn't rude to call this document a "FAQ?"
Answer: Actually, this is a wonderful example of a homophone--the word you are thinking of is "FAK," which is quite rude. FAQ is not rude at all. The words do, however, sound the same.