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MirkoMecir
02-26-2007, 12:16 PM
I've noticed since Federer started dominating in 2004 that the number of tiebreaks he plays is steadily increasing. Here's a breakdown of the number of breakers and his record in them:

Year |TB's| Record
2004 | 25 | 20-5
2005 | 39 | 28-11
2006 | 51 | 37-14

This begs a couple of questions:
1) Was Federer's serve that dominant in 2004 that he was able to close out most sets after getting a break of serve? I do remember his serving was so clutch that year, nailing aces Sampras-style just about everytime he was down breakpoint.
2) Was Federer playing all-out destroy mode in 2004 where he would get up an insurance break a set most of the time back in 2004? He seemed to drop a ton of bagels on players that year too, well at least to Hewitt.
3) Has Federer's return not improved since 2004 and thus not getting as many breakpoint chances throughout a set? I doubt this, but maybe his conversion rate isn't as high?

I'd say his serve is better since 2004, though not as many clutch aces and his return is more consistent. However, closing out sets on serve seems a bit shaky - I can recall US Open QF vs Blake and TMC SF vs Nadal as 2 prime examples.

ceejay
02-26-2007, 12:21 PM
How many matches did Fed play in the respective years?

jamumafa
02-26-2007, 12:24 PM
^^

good point. Ratio or % would be a better indication

Moose Malloy
02-26-2007, 12:31 PM
How many matches did Fed play in the respective years?

'04-80
'05-85
'06-97

I wouldn't read too much into Fed's tiebreak ratio, it seemed like he played more big servers (like Ljubicic) in '05/'06 than '04. Also in '06 Fed played Halle on grass a day after reaching the FO final, ended up playing 8 tiebreaks in 5 matches. Obviously his physical condition was a factor in the close matches that week.

justineheninhoogenbandfan
02-26-2007, 01:30 PM
I was surprised in 2005 that all of Federer's matches with Ljubicic were as close as they were. I know Ljubicic is a good player but other then the great serve he doesnt belong on the same court as Roger and I even think Roger's serve might be still better despite Ljubicic's being more powerful probably.

Last year I dont think their matches were as close but I dont recall each match.

alienhamster
02-26-2007, 01:37 PM
How does his tiebreak winning percentage compare to other great players? I've always felt that part of his dominance has to be due to how well he plays tiebreaks. It seems like the guy never loses them (even though I know he does).

justineheninhoogenbandfan
02-26-2007, 01:43 PM
It seems in a big match he never loses tiebreaks except to Nadal on clay. Well he lost the 3rd set tiebreaker of the Wimbledon final to Nadal but he didnt really seem too concerned about it from an admitedly biased viewing standpoint.

shrakkie
02-26-2007, 01:48 PM
To a large extent its the end result taht matters.

However I think he is playing a lot of big servers now compared to yester-year.

MirkoMecir
02-26-2007, 03:36 PM
How does his tiebreak winning percentage compare to other great players? I've always felt that part of his dominance has to be due to how well he plays tiebreaks. It seems like the guy never loses them (even though I know he does).
Federer tiebreak records compared with a few Open era greats in their peak years:

Federer:
Year |TB's| Record
2003 | 42 | 26-17
2004 | 25 | 20-5
2005 | 39 | 28-11
2006 | 51 | 37-14
2007 | 4 | 4-0

Sampras:
Year |TB's| Record
1993 | 50 | 28-22
1994 | 35 | 27-8
1995 | 40 | 20-20
1996 | 42 | 25-17
1997 | 28 | 16-12

McEnroe:
Year |TB's| Record
1980 | 32 | 22-10
1981 | 19 | 11-8
1982 | 18 | 14-4
1983 | 22 | 13-9
1984 | 15 | 13-2

Borg:
Year |TB's| Record
1976 | 17 | 7-10
1977 | 4 | 2-2
1978 | 8 | 4-4
1979 | 19 | 12-7
1980 | 11 | 6-5

dh003i
02-26-2007, 04:05 PM
I'd say Federer clearly comes out on top of all of those tiebreak records, except McEnroe...and there it's close (haven't done the %s, so don't know).

prosealster
02-26-2007, 05:03 PM
yeah... i agree... Fed seems to have the best %... in TBs, it's all mental, and those people that says Fed is mentally weak is talking nonsense

The tennis guy
02-26-2007, 07:09 PM
I wouldn't read too much into Fed's tiebreak ratio, it seemed like he played more big servers (like Ljubicic) in '05/'06 than '04. Also in '06 Fed played Halle on grass a day after reaching the FO final, ended up playing 8 tiebreaks in 5 matches. Obviously his physical condition was a factor in the close matches that week.

Exactly. The Miami final against Ljubicic and Halle tournament together (11 tie break) last year explain his increasing number of tie break played in 2006.