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Black Max
03-02-2007, 08:50 AM
This gets even more interesting

ATP STATEMENT REGARDING TENNIS CHANNEL OPEN

An incorrect variation of ATP rules resulted in the erroneous passage of James Blake into the quarterfinals of the Tennis Channel Open in Las Vegas, and according to the rules Evgeny Korolev will advance instead of Blake, the ATP announced today.

Blake had advanced after ATP Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers had been called in to discuss a controversial end to the Blake/Korolev/Juan Martin del Potro group. Blake needed to complete his match, beat del Potro in straight sets and concede five games or less. Blake was leading 6-1, 3-1 when del Potro retired from the match with breathing problems.

The relevant rule states that an incomplete match shall not count as a match played for the retiring player. This eliminated del Potro based on the tiebreak procedure for greatest number of completed matches and left only Blake and Korolev tied with 1-1 records. Therefore, under ATP rules Korolev should have advanced having beaten Blake in their round robin encounter.

The same ATP Rulebook prevents the ATP Chairman and President or any ATP staff member from making a judgment call on the rules, as no variation can be implemented without ATP Board approval. The rules state that the final decision at a tournament rests solely with the ATP Supervisor.

“I was contacted late at night my time and did not fully understand the issues being discussed and I made a judgment call on what seemed fair. However I understand that judgment calls are not part of the rule book and I must abide by the rules, as must everybody else in the circumstance,” de Villiers said.

‘This is of course an unpleasant situation for all involved, but we must abide strictly by the rules. I apologize to James for giving false hope and to Evgeny for the confusion. I said we would be prepared to make mistakes but that we would reverse them if necessary and learn from them.”

“I hope that it is recognized that I acted in good faith and my intentions were to do the right thing and see fairness prevail. Clearly, I was wrong to intervene. I have always maintained that we should experiment with new and different ideas and it was with this in mind that I made what I thought was a fair call.”

“I regret that I got involved, that I overruled a Supervisor and I regret this storm in a teacup,” said de Villiers.

“What this situation and a somewhat similar confusing end to a group result in Buenos Aires have shown is that the experiment has brought a sharp focus onto specific flaws involved with round robin competition and the review of the format and the decision as to whether to continue at all, will now be brought forward.”

The experiment with round robin play, inspired and supported by research that showed strong support for the format by fans, was to have involved 12 – 13 tournaments over the entire 2007 ATP season.

“Discussions with ATP Board members and other parties have already started and the future of round robin play has now been put on the agenda for the ATP Board meeting, starting in Miami on March 22,” de Villiers said.

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 08:56 AM
i can't believe it...
now i'm ready for anything : in the middle of korolev's QF match, they will change again of opinion, and ask blake to replace korolev for the 2nd set !!! :rolleyes:

now it's really time to fire de villiers.
really.

Blake out of Las Vegas open after ATP ruling

LAS VEGAS, March 2 (Reuters) - The ATP has reversed its decision to award James Blake a quarter-final berth at the Las Vegas Open, after bending a rule to allow the American through.

Russian Evgeny Korolev, who should have gone through under the rules, will now take his place in the last eight, the ATP said.

Needing to beat Argentine Juan Martin del Potro with the loss of no more than five games on Thursday to advance, top seed Blake was leading 6-1 3-1 when his opponent retired because of breathing problems, handing the American a walkover.

Blake was then told he would not advance as the rules stated games won or lost in a walkover did not count and that Korolev would go through on a head-to-head basis after the Russian beat Blake earlier in the competition.

After lengthy discussions, however, the ATP backtracked and awarded Blake a place in the last eight instead of the Russian, only to change its decision again on Friday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=reu-menvegasblake&prov=reuters&type=lgns

but this is the good choice, i think. :)

malakas
03-02-2007, 08:57 AM
omg wahahahahah this is so ridiculous!!!!Really!!hahahaha

sureshs
03-02-2007, 08:59 AM
what a clown this de villers is.

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 09:00 AM
I was contacted late at night my time and did not fully understand the issues being discussed and I made a judgment call on what seemed fair. However I understand that judgment calls are not part of the rule book and I must abide by the rules, as must everybody else in the circumstance, de Villiers said.
please... what the hell are you paid for, poor jerk ?! :shock:
... and how much ??? :rolleyes:

goofy is missing you, come back home with him.

malakas
03-02-2007, 09:01 AM
I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of RR!!

sureshs
03-02-2007, 09:02 AM
I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of RR!!

All 5 of the spectators will be disappointed!

GRANITECHIEF
03-02-2007, 09:04 AM
Regardless of who plays, i hope Sam Q kicks their *****.

ne1410is
03-02-2007, 09:05 AM
lol i think this is the right decision though. the blake advancement seemed to be based on speculation that he would have likely won the event and that his opponent wouldn't have won 2 more games before the end of the match. or at least that's how i understand it. lol round robins are kinda crazy.

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 09:09 AM
I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of RR!!
seriously, how could they dare to keep RR after such what happened ? :?
please tell me it's not possible.


...


do you think they will dare ?... :roll:

Nick Irons
03-02-2007, 09:15 AM
... and I made a judgment call on what seemed fair

HE is suggesting his call is fair over the rulebook ?

malakas
03-02-2007, 09:22 AM
ehmmm...Korolev plays ONLY in 1 hour and a half..:? is he even in Vegas right now?

Nick Irons
03-02-2007, 09:24 AM
You gotta assume these guys are hanging out for a day or so after being ousted in Vegas

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 09:24 AM
ehmmm...Korolev plays ONLY in 1 hour and a half..:? is he even in Vegas right now?
yes he was playing at the casino with the extra prize money he got from de villiers yesterday ! ;)

MasterTS
03-02-2007, 09:24 AM
what a clown this de villers is.


He's a corrupt frenchman.. his as$ was gettin reamed with possible lawsuit so he covered it by doing what is right..

malakas
03-02-2007, 09:28 AM
yes,but Blake had said in his interview,that "Korolev is probably now on his way to IW" and that he has rent a car to drive there.

sureshs
03-02-2007, 09:28 AM
He's a corrupt frenchman.. his as$ was gettin reamed with possible lawsuit so he covered it by doing what is right..

Do you know how much he makes? Something like $700K/yr. Plus bonuses and all that I am sure.

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 09:29 AM
He's a corrupt frenchman.. his as$ was gettin reamed with possible lawsuit so he covered it by doing what is right..
in fact, he's south african... but we don't really care about it.

malakas
03-02-2007, 09:29 AM
yes he was playing at the casino with the extra prize money he got from de villiers yesterday ! ;)

yes and when they ask for the money back he should claim that he has "lost" it.:) Will Blake been awarded extra money as Korolev was?

ATXtennisaddict
03-02-2007, 09:30 AM
Only the fans who pay for the tickets give a damn about the RR. Personally, if I were an attending fan, I'd STILL not want the RR format. It's so damned confusing! I don't even pay attention to who wins or loses in RR. I just see results and wait until the QF draw comes out.

malakas
03-02-2007, 09:31 AM
Only the fans who pay for the tickets give a damn about the RR. Personally, if I were an attending fan, I'd STILL not want the RR format. It's so damned confusing! I don't even pay attention to who wins or loses in RR. I just see results and wait until the QF draw comes out.

yeah,but according to the "serious" researches contucted by the ATP in the RR tournaments the most attending fans were much in favour of the new system:( But they probably weren't real tennis fans and just went to see the big name play!

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 09:47 AM
yeah,but according to the "serious" researches contucted by the ATP in the RR tournaments the most attending fans were much in favour of the new system:( But they probably weren't real tennis fans and just went to see the big name play!
tennis fans, tennis fans...... hey, wait a minute !
us, for instance... aren't we classified as tennis fans ? http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/7.gif

ummm... we are, right ? http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

and according to this (very) serious research (and many other polls !)... i see that ~89% of us think RR suck.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=121039

strange...... very strange. :rolleyes:

ibemadskillzz
03-02-2007, 09:49 AM
Sam Querry would have destroyed blake, now we can't see it. F

dubsplayer
03-02-2007, 09:51 AM
Only the fans who pay for the tickets give a damn about the RR. Personally, if I were an attending fan, I'd STILL not want the RR format. It's so damned confusing! I don't even pay attention to who wins or loses in RR. I just see results and wait until the QF draw comes out.

Agree.The early rounds of these RR tourneys are more like watching an exo or WTT then a real match. One big yawner. And as a fan who goes to at least 5 tourneys a year I would never go one of these RR tourneys. The sooner they get rid of this ridiculous format the better.

sureshs
03-02-2007, 09:52 AM
Blake should sue the ATP for emotional trauma.

tintin
03-02-2007, 09:56 AM
He's a corrupt frenchman.. his as$ was gettin reamed with possible lawsuit so he covered it by doing what is right..

no DeVillier is SOUTH AFRICAN,so get your facts straight

MasterTS
03-02-2007, 10:02 AM
no DeVillier is SOUTH AFRICAN,so get your facts straight

Probably some french decent that took over the south africans back in the day

stormholloway
03-02-2007, 10:08 AM
Round Robin is too confusing. I agree.

tintin
03-02-2007, 10:08 AM
Probably some french decent that took over the south africans back in the day

or maybe just south african;)

bluetrain4
03-02-2007, 10:20 AM
RR seems to work for the Masters Cup, but obviously there are only 8 players.

I thought the regular tour RR would just be a bigger version. So, if you have a 32 player field, then 8 groups of 4, 1 player advancing from each into the quarters. The player with the best record wins the group. If two players are 2-1 (and the 2 others 1-2) then head to head. If three players are 2-1 (and the other 0-3), then simply add up all the games won.

Is this how it works?

I really thought RR would be good for some (not all) regular tour events because it would allow more opportunities to see the top players and would allow players to get more out of the week since they don't have to go home right after a loss.

But, I'm changing my mind. If an event has all the top players (like a Masters series), then it doesn't need RR. There is enough quality tennis. Even if a top player loses, there are other top players to watch.

I never thought it would be this disastrous. It actually made sense to me when first announced.

ATXtennisaddict
03-02-2007, 10:25 AM
James Blake had to win the match with a loss of no more than 5 games in the match.

HOW IS THIS TENNIS?! This means that if he won 6-2,6-4, he's STILL out?! Isn't that a bunch of crap?

This means that not only do you have to focus on winning the match, you have to control the damn total score?

If he's up 6-2,5-3 and about to be broken, it's just deflating if he does indeed get broken. What's the point of playing well the rest of the match? Pride? pfft.

Max G.
03-02-2007, 11:01 AM
What's the point of playing well the rest of the match? Pride? pfft.

Well, that and prize money and ranking points. I think you get different amounts of each depending on how many matches in the RR you win.

vive le beau jeu !
03-02-2007, 11:12 AM
Well, that and prize money and ranking points. I think you get different amounts of each depending on how many matches in the RR you win.
yes and no ! ;)

well, if you're eliminated in the RR stage, you're right, you win more points and more prize money with your win.

but if you qualify, the number of matches you won during the RR stage only infers on your prize money... not on your ATP points !
http://orycterope.free.fr/RRbug.JPG
both players lost in the SF at adelaide but JJ lost a RR match while JMDP won his 2 RR matches.
he consequently has a greater prize money (logical)... but both earned the same number of ATP points !
i know it concerns a small amount of points... but i don't find this logical.

ibemadskillzz
03-02-2007, 11:40 AM
this RR shizz is BS and whoever came up with it should get the rules correct beforehand. wtf

BreakPoint
03-02-2007, 11:49 AM
These kinds of problems is exactly why they should get rid of round robins. There are just too many rules and it's way too confusing. I mean what is this B.S. about having to not lose more than a certain number of games in order to advance? Talk about putting an additional artificial pressure on a player during the match. A win is a win, the scoreline shouldn't matter.

We need to just all go back to single elimination ONLY!!

BTW, I still don't understand how some tournaments now seem to mix both a round robin and a single elimination formats at the same time for the early rounds. How does this work and what's the purpose? It's really confusing when I read the results in the paper.

lorenza
03-02-2007, 11:51 AM
i'm glad they changed their decision, but RR really is total crap. they should just get rid of it to avoid all these problems....

pound cat
03-02-2007, 11:57 AM
what a clown this de villers is.


i don't believe he has 1 bit of tennis knowlwdge,

Oh what the heck, put Korolev directly into the final and make blake a linesperson. Then they'll both be in th e final LOL

pound cat
03-02-2007, 11:59 AM
BTW Korfolev is on a roll in set 2. "I'll show them!" Davai Zhenya!

ibemadskillzz
03-02-2007, 12:09 PM
Sukka Yooooooo

Black Max
03-02-2007, 12:10 PM
We need to just all go back to single elimination ONLY!!



RIGHT NOW!!! I might add...

Some 3hrs1/2 after this was announced you can't read anything about it on the ATP website, meaning this story is quite BIG.

bluescreen
03-02-2007, 01:06 PM
lol i think this is the right decision though. the blake advancement seemed to be based on speculation that he would have likely won the event and that his opponent wouldn't have won 2 more games before the end of the match. or at least that's how i understand it. lol round robins are kinda crazy.

i think it was the wrong decision cuz the rules r skewed for the rr format anyway. so basically its right that del potro held blake's fate in his hands, but its wrong that blake goes onto the quarters due to a retirement.

he won the match, he lost less than five games. so he deserved the spot. this rr format is quite the headache.