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killer
03-22-2007, 03:23 PM
Just thought I'd ask, given that boris spanned the 80s and 90s: who was his best rival? More than welcome to add others who weren't mentioned in the poll...

The Gorilla
03-22-2007, 03:24 PM
edberg and sampras equally.Both incredibly entertaining.

diegaa
03-22-2007, 03:36 PM
I like, during the first years of boris career, his rivlary with lendl. that were fun times.

Moose Malloy
03-22-2007, 04:11 PM
Boris was like the Safin of the 80s, only better. If he had Sampras like dedication to the game, who knows what he could have accomplished.

I still can't believe he won 2 Wimbledons by 18(Borg won his first at 20, Sampras & Fed at 21, Mac at 22)

Becker was 4-0 vs Lendl at majors betwen 1986-1989(a time in which Lendl was ranked #1 most of the time, Becker none of the time)
They played finals in 3 of the 4 majors.

Becker was 1-3 vs Edberg in majors from '88-'90 but 25-10 vs him overall

He wasnt really a rival to Sampras, except indoors, where he was 7-6 vs him(some really great matches at the masters)

andreh
03-23-2007, 01:43 AM
Becker was 1-3 vs Edberg in majors from '88-'90 but 25-10 vs him overall




Even 1-4 if you count the Master 89 as a major.

Oddly, Edberg and Becker were fairly even when they were both at their peak. By 1992 I think was something like 15 or 16 to 10 in Becker's favor. The last 10 or so meeting after both had finished their time as at the very top went to Becker.

Becker must have nightmares about Edberg to this day. He must ask himself WHY he couldn't beat him when it mattered the most when he had a fairly easy time otherwise.

oscar_2424
03-23-2007, 05:50 AM
Stefan Edberg.

ericsson
03-23-2007, 05:53 AM
Boris was like the Safin of the 80s, only better. If he had Sampras like dedication to the game, who knows what he could have accomplished.

I still can't believe he won 2 Wimbledons by 18(Borg won his first at 20, Sampras & Fed at 21, Mac at 22)

Becker was 4-0 vs Lendl at majors betwen 1986-1989(a time in which Lendl was ranked #1 most of the time, Becker none of the time)
They played finals in 3 of the 4 majors.

Becker was 1-3 vs Edberg in majors from '88-'90 but 25-10 vs him overall

He wasnt really a rival to Sampras, except indoors, where he was 7-6 vs him(some really great matches at the masters)


agree, but don't forget grass, sampras called him the best indoor player he ever faced, says enough...

michaellashan
03-23-2007, 06:12 AM
Boris was like the Safin of the 80s, only better.
Well said. I voted for Edberg because nearly every match they played was amazing to watch. Their showdowns in the Wimbledon finals are classics. I miss those days :(

laurie
03-23-2007, 06:24 AM
Even 1-4 if you count the Master 89 as a major.

Oddly, Edberg and Becker were fairly even when they were both at their peak. By 1992 I think was something like 15 or 16 to 10 in Becker's favor. The last 10 or so meeting after both had finished their time as at the very top went to Becker.

Becker must have nightmares about Edberg to this day. He must ask himself WHY he couldn't beat him when it mattered the most when he had a fairly easy time otherwise.

Well that is very interesting because Edberg presented the same problems to Sampras. The 1992 US Open final stayed with Sampras for some time. Edberg is underated but what a smooth, athletic and stylish player! What problems would a young Edberg pose today?

supertennis
03-23-2007, 07:04 AM
Stefan Edberg 100 %

bluetrain4
03-23-2007, 07:16 AM
I also voted for Edberg.

Edberg may seem an unlikley choice since he was 10-25 against Becker.

But, as others have said, he was 3-1 in the slams (including 2-1 in slam finals), and beat him on the way to the '89 Masters title. I was always surprised they didn't meet more at the Slams.

Anyway, throw in a couple of other fairly big tourney wins for Edberg over Becker, mainly the fall indoor season, and you have a great rivarly. Becker padded the record at the end as Edberg's prime ended a little sooner. I don't say that to imply that Edberg is actually better or anything like that, just to recognize that their during the prime years ('86 ot '87 to '92), their head to head was a lot closer, although Becker still had the lead.

Great match up. Both attacking players, but totally different styles.

I miss those matches.

BiGGieStuFF
03-23-2007, 07:19 AM
lOVELY. Becker, Sampras, Edberg, Lendl. Those were the days :)

andreh
03-23-2007, 07:52 AM
Well that is very interesting because Edberg presented the same problems to Sampras. The 1992 US Open final stayed with Sampras for some time. Edberg is underated but what a smooth, athletic and stylish player! What problems would a young Edberg pose today?

Well put. In general, Edberg was always an underdog. He was almost never expected to win. Certainly not the Wimbledon finals against Becker, who was considered invincible on grass at that time. By 1990 Becker had only lost ONE match on the Center court at Wimbledon, against Edberg in 1988. In that year he lost again to the same man (In 1987 he lost on another court).

Also, in the 89 Masters Becker actually beat Edberg in the Round Robin, but lost to him in the final! Does that prove the point or what!? Edberg won when it mattered.

Neither was Edberg the favorite to win any of the other slams he took except for the USO91 against Courier. In the 1985 AO Wilander was the clear favorite, 1987 Cash was the favorite (it was his heyday, he won Wimbledon that year), 1992 USO Sampras was the favorite (he also beat Sampras in the 1993 AO semi).

Moose Malloy
03-23-2007, 12:00 PM
Also, in the 89 Masters Becker actually beat Edberg in the Round Robin, but lost to him in the final! Does that prove the point or what!? Edberg won when it mattered.


Well, Becker was 3-0 vs Edberg in davis cup finals(some really one sided scores in those matches as well) & davis cup was very important to Swedes in the 80s, if you count masters as big matches, you need to count davis cup as well. and he was 2-0 vs him in the dallas wct event, that was a huge event in the 80s as well.

Becker padded the record at the end as Edberg's prime ended a little sooner.

Edberg was actually ranked higher than Becker in most of their meetings from '87 to '93, I don't think Becker padded the record at all. Edberg was year end #1 in '90 & '91 & #2 in '92, but Becker was 6-1 vs him those years, some of the matches weren't even close. Becker wasn't even top 10 in '93, while Edberg was still in the top 5 that year. Becker was clearly better '94-'96, but they only played 4 times in that span.

Neither was Edberg the favorite to win any of the other slams he took except for the USO91 against Courier. In the 1985 AO Wilander was the clear favorite, 1987 Cash was the favorite (it was his heyday, he won Wimbledon that year), 1992 USO Sampras was the favorite (he also beat Sampras in the 1993 AO semi).

I was at the '91 US Open final, it was considered basically even money, Courier hadn't lost a set that event. Edberg was favored to beat Courier in the '92 AO though. And the '92 US Open final was basically even money as well, since Edberg was ranked higher,the defending champ & sampras was still relatively new to big matches(ah the days of not knowing who would win a slam final) But you are right Edberg has always been underrated, even in slam finals. He was ranked much higher than Cash in the '87 AO final, but almost no one gave him a shot(Cash had beat Lendl in the semis & Edberg in the DC final on the same court only a month earlier, he was considered the more 'in-form' player)

Becker was a big favorite in '88 W, but I think it was even in '89(or even just a slight edge to Edberg, seeing that he was the defending champ & had just beaten Becker at the French) In '90, Becker was the slight favorite(he had a much tougher semi with Goran while Edberg blew away Lendl, who had beaten Becker at Queens, so that was expected to be a close semi)
It is suprising they didn't play in majors more often, Edberg lost the AO SF vs Lendl in '91 after having match point, that could have been an interesting final.

here is the complete head to head(you can find out their ranking at time of the matches by searching ranking history at atptennis. They really should include that as well in head to head stats)

1996 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-4 7-6(3)

1996 Doha
Qatar Hard R32 Becker 6-2 7-5

1995 Basel
Switzerland Hard Q Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3

1994 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-7(3) 6-4 7-5(saw this match recently, very high quality stuff

1993 Doha
Qatar Hard S Becker 6-4 6-4

1992 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-4 6-0(shocking score, Edberg won the US Open & finished '92 as 2, while Becker played poorly most of the year)

1992 Brussels
Belgium Carpet S Becker 4-6 6-4 6-2

1991 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 3-6 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-2(Edberg was year end #1)

1990 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Edberg 3-3 RET (I think we know what would have happened in this one, considering the Stockholm & Sydney scores)

1990 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-0 6-3(must have been embarassing for Edberg, to lose like that in Sweden. He was year end #1 for '90 while Becker was slamless that year)

1990 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard F Becker 7-6 6-4 6-4

1990 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 6-2 6-2 3-6 3-6 6-4

1990 London / Queen's Club
England Grass S Becker 6-4 6-4

1989 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-2 6-2 6-4

1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-3 6-1

1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Becker 6-1 6-4

1989 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-3 6-3

1989 Wimbledon
England Grass F Becker 6-0 7-6 6-4

1989 Roland Garros
France Clay S Edberg 6-3 6-4 5-7 3-6 6-2

1988 GER V SWE F
Sweden Clay RR Becker 6-3 6-1 6-4

1988 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Edberg 7-6 3-6 6-4

1988 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-4 6-2

1988 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-1 3-6 6-3

1988 Dallas WCT
TX, U.S.A. Carpet F Becker 6-4 1-6 7-5 6-2

1987 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard F Edberg 6-4 6-1

1987 Montreal / Toronto
Montreal, Canada Hard S Edberg 6-2 6-4

1987 Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A. Hard F Becker 6-4 6-4 7-5

1986 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 6-4 6-4

1986 Tokyo Indoor
Japan Carpet F Becker 7-6 6-1

1986 Montreal / Toronto
Toronto, Canada Hard F Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3

1986 Dallas
TX, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6

1985 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-3 3-6 7-5 8-6

1985 Las Vegas
NV, U.S.A. Hard R16 Becker 6-3 6-7 6-2

1985 Philadelphia
PA, U.S.A. Carpet R32 Edberg 6-3 6-1

1984 Cologne
Germany Hard R32 Edberg 6-4 6-4

Becker won 15 of his 25 wins in straight sets, 7 of those were in finals, 3 of them at the year end championship. Overall Becker was 4-2 vs Edberg at that event. Becker was able to bagel Edberg 3 times in his career. He was 11-5 vs Edberg in finals overall (one win for Edberg was a retirement)

3-1 edge for Edberg in majors is important, but also it isn't that many meetings. Plus I'm not sure how big that French Open win was in judging their rivalry(only played twice on clay, with a 1-1 record) Its a shame they didn't play at the US Open or Australia, better events for both.

noeledmonds
03-23-2007, 12:51 PM
For me it is defenitly Edberg as many of you have been discussing above. I particuarly enjoyed their 3 consecutive Wimbledon finals, with Becker winning the 2nd final. Both great S&V players, but none the less very constrasting in styles. Becker had the big game, with the big serve. Becker had the bigger ground srokes and the diving volleys. Edberg was a master class in technical vollying. What Edberg lost in serve strength he more than made up for in superb vollying.

slice bh compliment
03-23-2007, 12:58 PM
... What problems would a young Edberg pose today?

Edberg would make today's players think:

Let's see....should I hit this passing shot 85 or 95 miles per hour? Down the line or cross court?
Should I move in and return this slow serve right now, or should I wait until it gets to me at shoulder level where I like it?
Hmmm. Should I give this guy more forehands because I enjoy watching his continental grip or because he cannot really hurt me with it?Kidding. I loved Edberg. He is an elegant mover and a class man. One of the true greats of the open era. What a great game! Not just a serve-volley grass specialist, Edberg was capable of mixing it up pretty well.....steadily and patiently playing all-court attacking tennis on hard courts and clay, too. I was there the night of his last match at the Open. Goran tuned him in three. 1997, if I recall. In the end, Stefan was just overwhelmed by the returns and the passes.

I think a young Edberg would rush a lot of today's kids into errors. He'd even frustrate Federer, on any surface. However, I do think he would have trouble with the pace and speed of today's players.

Back to Boris, though. Fun thread. I watched a lot of those. I'm thinking Pete indoors. I voted for BB's mind. His ego gets the assist.

Moose Malloy
03-23-2007, 01:13 PM
I think a young Edberg would rush a lot of today's kids into errors. He'd even frustrate Federer, on any surface. However, I do think he would have trouble with the pace and speed of today's players.


Don't forget equipment & slower surfaces are partly responsible for the pace/spin of todays players. If they had to play every other event on the supreme court of the 80s with natural strings, I doubt you'd see as much baseline bashing & a lot more net rushing. And Edberg was experiencing back issues in his later years, I think that had more to do with his declining results than him not being able to handle the pace of Goran types(who he beat many times)

Edberg wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 80s & Federer wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 60s. But considering Edberg on purely athletic terms, are there that many today on his level? That many that do 1000 situps a day(I recall reading that)?

Its a shame top players aren't timed over the years, I think Edberg would be top 10 in pure speed among top 10 players of the last 20 years.

If you are a great athlete who played at an elite level in one era, not sure why you wouldn't be able to be elite in another era.

But as far as alltime greats go, he was a bit of a flake. I still can't believe he lost in the 1st round of the 1990 US Open after winning Wimbledon & every hardcourt event that summer to get the #1 seed there.

galain
03-23-2007, 03:37 PM
I think the really interesting thing about their rivalry was that Becker never beat Edberg at all during their junior days (IIRC). Then he turns pro, wins WImbledon and goes to town on Edberg, only to fall short in the majors. For someone thought to be a little mentally fragile, it seems as though Edberg managed to pull it back together when it mattered.

BounceHitBounceHit
03-23-2007, 06:49 PM
The meetings between Boris and Stefan in the Wimbledon finals were some of the most entertaining tennis matches I've ever watched. Fantastic stuff. ;) CC

The Gorilla
03-23-2007, 06:52 PM
Don't forget equipment & slower surfaces are partly responsible for the pace/spin of todays players. If they had to play every other event on the supreme court of the 80s with natural strings, I doubt you'd see as much baseline bashing & a lot more net rushing. And Edberg was experiencing back issues in his later years, I think that had more to do with his declining results than him not being able to handle the pace of Goran types(who he beat many times)

Edberg wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 80s & Federer wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 60s. But considering Edberg on purely athletic terms, are there that many today on his level? That many that do 1000 situps a day(I recall reading that)?

Its a shame top players aren't timed over the years, I think Edberg would be top 10 in pure speed among top 10 players of the last 20 years.

If you are a great athlete who played at an elite level in one era, not sure why you wouldn't be able to be elite in another era.

But as far as alltime greats go, he was a bit of a flake. I still can't believe he lost in the 1st round of the 1990 US Open after winning Wimbledon & every hardcourt event that summer to get the #1 seed there.



no way did he do 1000 sit ups a day.

urban
03-23-2007, 11:40 PM
I remember a match indoors in England (Birmingham?) in winter 1984/85, for a junior World champs. beween Becker and Edberg, which went five sets and was won by Boris. Afterwards Dan Maskell was full of praise for both players, and compared Becker to the young Lew Hoad. Becker and Edberg were complementary players: Boris had the big serve, Stefan the slower kicker, Boris the big forehand, Stefan the wonderful backhand. Boris was rather slow on his feet, Stefan got great footwork. Boris had exceptional good nerves, Stefan was often very nervous in the clutch. Boris was a man for the big moments like Davis Cup, Stefan more consistent for the longer term ranking. If you put both into one, you have the ideal offensive player.

Colpo
03-24-2007, 05:11 AM
I don't think there's any question that Boris' chief rivals were a toss-up between Lendl and Edberg. The beauty of that era was that he also had memorable matches versus Mac, Wilander, Sampras, Agassi, name it. Boris was also appealing in his vulnerability, in that he could drop a match to a Sergio Casal or a Martin Jaite - as great as BB was, you didn't know whether he'd play to capability from tourney to tourney.

slice bh compliment
03-24-2007, 05:28 AM
Don't forget equipment & slower surfaces are partly responsible for the pace/spin of todays players. If they had to play every other event on the supreme court of the 80s with natural strings, I doubt you'd see as much baseline bashing & a lot more net rushing. And Edberg was experiencing back issues in his later years, I think that had more to do with his declining results than him not being able to handle the pace of Goran types(who he beat many times)

Edberg wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 80s & Federer wouldn't be the same player if he was born in the 60s. But considering Edberg on purely athletic terms, are there that many today on his level? That many that do 1000 situps a day(I recall reading that)?

Its a shame top players aren't timed over the years, I think Edberg would be top 10 in pure speed among top 10 players of the last 20 years.

If you are a great athlete who played at an elite level in one era, not sure why you wouldn't be able to be elite in another era.

But as far as alltime greats go, he was a bit of a flake. I still can't believe he lost in the 1st round of the 1990 US Open after winning Wimbledon & every hardcourt event that summer to get the #1 seed there.

Great post, Moose. I appreciate Edberg more now than I did back then. I was more of a Stich, Becker, Noah, Mac guy. Especially Becker.

Mick
03-24-2007, 06:56 AM
Becker vs Mecir: power vs finess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QcSnEsoMB0

laurie
03-24-2007, 11:17 AM
Well put. In general, Edberg was always an underdog. He was almost never expected to win. Certainly not the Wimbledon finals against Becker, who was considered invincible on grass at that time. By 1990 Becker had only lost ONE match on the Center court at Wimbledon, against Edberg in 1988. In that year he lost again to the same man (In 1987 he lost on another court).

Also, in the 89 Masters Becker actually beat Edberg in the Round Robin, but lost to him in the final! Does that prove the point or what!? Edberg won when it mattered.

Neither was Edberg the favorite to win any of the other slams he took except for the USO91 against Courier. In the 1985 AO Wilander was the clear favorite, 1987 Cash was the favorite (it was his heyday, he won Wimbledon that year), 1992 USO Sampras was the favorite (he also beat Sampras in the 1993 AO semi).

Just to illustrate your point, in that semifinal you mention in Australia, Sampras was 4:0 up against Edberg in the 1st set and lost!! Imagine that, Sampras been 4 nil up and losing a set. Definitely Edberg gave power players trouble.

What I think Sampras learned from Edberg is this, back then Sampras liked to stay back a lot, that allowed Edberg to keep attacking him. In the end that more than anything got to Sampras because he had to keep hitting great passing shots off both wings all day which is not possible if your opponent has amazing technique and is athletic to go with it.

Sampras employed that strategy against Agassi in the 2nd half of their rivalry. In the first years Sampras was more than happy to trade baseline rallies off his serve and Andre's. In fact what makes me laugh about Sampras is that when he is interviewed now, he gives you the impression he never stayed back in his life!)

Moose Malloy
03-24-2007, 11:44 AM
I remember a match indoors in England (Birmingham?) in winter 1984/85, for a junior World champs. beween Becker and Edberg, which went five sets and was won by Boris.

a 5 set junior match? interesting

Just to illustrate your point, in that semifinal you mention in Australia, Sampras was 4:0 up against Edberg in the 1st set and lost!! Imagine that, Sampras been 4 nil up and losing a set. Definitely Edberg gave power players trouble.


I recall Sampras being hobbled by shin splints in that match, I'm surprised he didn't retire.

Buckeye10s
03-24-2007, 12:19 PM
Edberg for sure... The his own mind was a cheap shot though.

35ft6
03-25-2007, 03:46 PM
Just watched a Davis Cup match between Becker and Edberg. Snooze.

sandy mayer
03-26-2007, 01:18 AM
I voted Edberg because I think their rivalry was the most exciting though Sampras was clearly his best opponent.

andreh
03-26-2007, 01:27 AM
Well, Becker was 3-0 vs Edberg in davis cup finals(some really one sided scores in those matches as well) & davis cup was very important to Swedes in the 80s, if you count masters as big matches, you need to count davis cup as well. and he was 2-0 vs him in the dallas wct event, that was a huge event in the 80s as well.



Edberg was actually ranked higher than Becker in most of their meetings from '87 to '93, I don't think Becker padded the record at all. Edberg was year end #1 in '90 & '91 & #2 in '92, but Becker was 6-1 vs him those years, some of the matches weren't even close. Becker wasn't even top 10 in '93, while Edberg was still in the top 5 that year. Becker was clearly better '94-'96, but they only played 4 times in that span.



I was at the '91 US Open final, it was considered basically even money, Courier hadn't lost a set that event. Edberg was favored to beat Courier in the '92 AO though. And the '92 US Open final was basically even money as well, since Edberg was ranked higher,the defending champ & sampras was still relatively new to big matches(ah the days of not knowing who would win a slam final) But you are right Edberg has always been underrated, even in slam finals. He was ranked much higher than Cash in the '87 AO final, but almost no one gave him a shot(Cash had beat Lendl in the semis & Edberg in the DC final on the same court only a month earlier, he was considered the more 'in-form' player)

Becker was a big favorite in '88 W, but I think it was even in '89(or even just a slight edge to Edberg, seeing that he was the defending champ & had just beaten Becker at the French) In '90, Becker was the slight favorite(he had a much tougher semi with Goran while Edberg blew away Lendl, who had beaten Becker at Queens, so that was expected to be a close semi)
It is suprising they didn't play in majors more often, Edberg lost the AO SF vs Lendl in '91 after having match point, that could have been an interesting final.

here is the complete head to head(you can find out their ranking at time of the matches by searching ranking history at atptennis. They really should include that as well in head to head stats)

1996 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-4 7-6(3)

1996 Doha
Qatar Hard R32 Becker 6-2 7-5

1995 Basel
Switzerland Hard Q Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3

1994 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-7(3) 6-4 7-5(saw this match recently, very high quality stuff

1993 Doha
Qatar Hard S Becker 6-4 6-4

1992 Singles Championship
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-4 6-0(shocking score, Edberg won the US Open & finished '92 as 2, while Becker played poorly most of the year)

1992 Brussels
Belgium Carpet S Becker 4-6 6-4 6-2

1991 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 3-6 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-2(Edberg was year end #1)

1990 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Edberg 3-3 RET (I think we know what would have happened in this one, considering the Stockholm & Sydney scores)

1990 Stockholm
Sweden Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-0 6-3(must have been embarassing for Edberg, to lose like that in Sweden. He was year end #1 for '90 while Becker was slamless that year)

1990 Sydney Indoor
Australia Hard F Becker 7-6 6-4 6-4

1990 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 6-2 6-2 3-6 3-6 6-4

1990 London / Queen's Club
England Grass S Becker 6-4 6-4

1989 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-2 6-2 6-4

1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-3 6-1

1989 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Becker 6-1 6-4

1989 Paris Indoor
France Carpet F Becker 6-4 6-3 6-3

1989 Wimbledon
England Grass F Becker 6-0 7-6 6-4

1989 Roland Garros
France Clay S Edberg 6-3 6-4 5-7 3-6 6-2

1988 GER V SWE F
Sweden Clay RR Becker 6-3 6-1 6-4

1988 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Edberg 7-6 3-6 6-4

1988 Wimbledon
England Grass F Edberg 4-6 7-6 6-4 6-2

1988 London / Queen's Club
England Grass F Becker 6-1 3-6 6-3

1988 Dallas WCT
TX, U.S.A. Carpet F Becker 6-4 1-6 7-5 6-2

1987 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard F Edberg 6-4 6-1

1987 Montreal / Toronto
Montreal, Canada Hard S Edberg 6-2 6-4

1987 Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A. Hard F Becker 6-4 6-4 7-5

1986 Masters
NY, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 6-4 6-4

1986 Tokyo Indoor
Japan Carpet F Becker 7-6 6-1

1986 Montreal / Toronto
Toronto, Canada Hard F Becker 6-4 3-6 6-3

1986 Dallas
TX, U.S.A. Carpet S Becker 7-6 7-6 4-6 7-6

1985 SWE V GER F
Germany Carpet RR Becker 6-3 3-6 7-5 8-6

1985 Las Vegas
NV, U.S.A. Hard R16 Becker 6-3 6-7 6-2

1985 Philadelphia
PA, U.S.A. Carpet R32 Edberg 6-3 6-1

1984 Cologne
Germany Hard R32 Edberg 6-4 6-4

Becker won 15 of his 25 wins in straight sets, 7 of those were in finals, 3 of them at the year end championship. Overall Becker was 4-2 vs Edberg at that event. Becker was able to bagel Edberg 3 times in his career. He was 11-5 vs Edberg in finals overall (one win for Edberg was a retirement)

3-1 edge for Edberg in majors is important, but also it isn't that many meetings. Plus I'm not sure how big that French Open win was in judging their rivalry(only played twice on clay, with a 1-1 record) Its a shame they didn't play at the US Open or Australia, better events for both.

Wow! Great post. I agree that the Becker - Edberg rivalry is very strange indeed. They were both pretty even in terms of how they did against the field of the day, but obviously Edberg had great trouble with Becker. Why? Edberg beat other players that Becker had trouble with, Lendl and Agassi, for instance. Something in the psychology between just those two players? Still, how did Edberg manage to sneak just those really BIG matches and almost no others? Strange, indeed. One must wonder who really had the upper hand.

Becker had similiar trouble against Agassi, (4-11, I think). Muster had similar trouble against Edberg (10-0 in Edbergs favor - even I could repeat that record!!!). Just goes to show how many levels there are to the sport.

LeftyServe
03-26-2007, 01:13 PM
Well that is very interesting because Edberg presented the same problems to Sampras. The 1992 US Open final stayed with Sampras for some time. Edberg is underated but what a smooth, athletic and stylish player! What problems would a young Edberg pose today?

There are many threads discussing Sampras vs. Fed. I think a good case can be made for Edberg matching up very well against Fed.

LeftyServe
03-26-2007, 01:15 PM
Just watched a Davis Cup match between Becker and Edberg. Snooze.

That was a post-prime match for each. Not a representative example.

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
03-30-2007, 09:17 AM
Just adding my 2 kopecks worth...thought Edberg was the perfect rival because they were both terrific serve and volleyer yet occasionally had the stubborn streak to try to win trading ground strokes. And yes, Becker went through that for a while, and Edberg did also, yet they could close in and strike quickly.

kiki
03-20-2011, 07:18 AM
edberg and sampras equally.Both incredibly entertaining.

Edberg on grass, Lendl on carpet... and Sampras on both, grass and carpet.

He also played interesting matches against counterpunchers like Agassi and Wilander.And a few but truly great matches against Connors ( 1987 Masters ) and Mac (1989 Davis Cup ).he was so flasy that his game matched pretty well with the rest of the top players...not to mention his nation wide rivalry with Michael Stich ( a very underrated, yet terrific tennis player)

NadalAgassi
03-21-2011, 09:34 AM
Edberg was his most even opponent of almost the same age who he battled for #1 for awhile so I say him. Sampras was simply superior, and they were serious rivals for a shorter time when Becker was already past his prime so not him. I guess Lendl would be a good choice too but I still say Edberg. Actually Becker owned Lendl in big matches pretty much.

hoodjem
03-21-2011, 10:49 AM
Love those '88, '89, and '90 Wimbledon finals with Edberg.

That's some great tennis!!

NadalAgassi
03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
It is great to see two attacking all courtplayers yet with different styles completely all the same. One based more on sheer power and force, the other on finesse and precision.

alcheng
03-27-2011, 08:14 PM
On court: Stefan Edberg

Overall Rival: His life with women. hehee

cheers

Mustard
03-28-2011, 08:12 AM
Here are all of Becker's matches with Edberg, Lendl and Sampras:

Boris Becker 25-10 Stefan Edberg
1984 Cologne R32: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-4, 6-4)
1985 Philadelphia R32: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-3, 6-1)
1985 Las Vegas R16: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-3, 6-7, 6-2)
1985 Davis Cup F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-3, 3-6, 7-5, 8-6)
1986 WCT Dallas SF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (7-6, 7-6, 4-6, 7-6)
1986 Toronto F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 3-6, 6-3)
1986 Tokyo F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (7-6, 6-1)
1986 Masters (Dec) SF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-4)
1987 Indian Wells F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-4, 7-5)
1987 Montreal SF: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-2, 6-4)
1987 Cincinnati F: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-4, 6-1)
1988 WCT Dallas F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 1-6, 7-5, 6-2)
1988 Queen's Club F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-1, 3-6, 6-3)
1988 Wimbledon F: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)
1988 Masters RR: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (7-6, 3-6, 6-4)
1988 Davis Cup F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-3, 6-1, 6-4)
1989 French Open SF: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 3-6, 6-2)
1989 Wimbledon F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-0, 7-6, 6-4)
1989 Paris Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
1989 Masters RR: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-1, 6-4)
1989 Masters F: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (4-6, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
1989 Davis Cup F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
1990 Queen's Club SF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-4)
1990 Wimbledon F: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4)
1990 Sydney Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
1990 Stockholm Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-0, 6-3)
1990 Paris Indoor F: Stefan Edberg def. Boris Becker (3-3 ret.)
1991 Stockholm Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (3-6, 6-4, 1-6, 6-2, 6-2)
1992 Brussels SF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (4-6, 6-4, 6-2)
1992 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-0)
1993 Doha SF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 6-4)
1994 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-7, 6-4, 7-5)
1995 Basel QF: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 3-6, 6-3)
1996 Doha R32: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-2, 7-5)
1996 Queen's Club F: Boris Becker def. Stefan Edberg (6-4, 7-6)

Hardcourt: 7-3 to Becker
Clay: 1-1
Grass: 4-2 to Becker
Carpet: 13-4 to Becker
In Slams: 3-1 to Edberg


Ivan Lendl 11-10 Boris Becker
1985 Indianapolis SF: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (5-7, 6-2, 6-2)
1985 Tokyo Indoor SF: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-3, 7-6)
1985 Wembley F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4)
1986 Masters (Jan) F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-2, 7-6, 6-3)
1986 Chicago F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (7-6, 6-3)
1986 Wimbledon F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (6-4, 6-3, 7-5)
1986 Stratton Mountain F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-4, 7-6)
1986 Sydney Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (3-6, 7-6, 6-2, 6-0)
1986 Masters (Dec) F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
1987 Masters RR: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-4, 6-7, 6-3)
1988 Wimbledon SF: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (6-4, 6-3, 6-7, 6-4)
1988 Masters F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (5-7, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2, 7-6)
1989 Wimbledon SF: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (7-5, 6-7, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3)
1989 US Open F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 7-6)
1990 Stuttgart Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (6-2, 6-2)
1990 Queen's Club F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-3, 6-2)
1990 Tokyo Indoor F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (4-6, 6-3, 7-6)
1990 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (1-6, 7-6, 6-4)
1991 Australian Open F: Boris Becker def. Ivan Lendl (1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
1992 US Open R16: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 6-4)
1993 Tokyo Indoor QF: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-3, 1-6, 7-6)

Hardcourt: 3-2 to Becker
Clay: 1-0 to Lendl
Grass: 3-1 to Becker
Carpet: 7-4 to Lendl
In Slams: 5-1 to Becker


Pete Sampras 12-7 Boris Becker
1990 Stockholm Indoor SF: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 6-4)
1991 Indianapolis F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 3-6, 6-3)
1991 Stockholm Indoor QF: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-5)
1991 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 6-7, 6-1)
1992 Indianapolis SF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 7-6)
1992 World Championships RR: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 7-6)
1993 Wimbledon SF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
1994 Rome F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
1994 Stockholm Indoor SF: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 6-4)
1994 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-5)
1994 World Championships F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (4-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4)
1995 Wimbledon F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2)
1995 Paris Indoor F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
1995 World Championships RR: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-2, 7-6)
1996 Stuttgart Indoor F: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (3-6, 6-3, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
1996 World Championships RR: Boris Becker def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 7-6)
1996 World Championships F: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
1997 Wimbledon QF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-1, 6-7, 6-1, 6-4)
1997 Paris Indoor R32: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 3-6, 6-3)

Hardcourt: 2-0 to Sampras
Clay: 1-0 to Sampras
Grass: 3-0 to Sampras
Carpet: 7-6 to Becker
In Slams: 3-0 to Sampras