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Ripper
05-02-2007, 11:36 AM
I thought the player on the grass side would lose every game regardless of if he was recieving or serving and that, therefore, the exhibition would be a failure. Well, it didn't go down like that. Actually, it was, at times, kind of interesting. I don't know if I'd like to see something like that again, but, at least, it didn't bore me as much as I thought it would. In any case, the player who looked more serious about winning the thing, ended up winning... whatever that means. Oh well, let's get back to real tennis, please...

tintin
05-02-2007, 11:41 AM
Nadal beats Federer to win battle of surfaces

PALMA DE MALLORCA, Spain (Reuters) - Clay court king Rafael Nadal got the better of world number one and grass court master Roger Federer to win "the battle of the surfaces" in front of his home crowd in Palma on Wednesday.

Nadal, who had won seven of the previous 10 meetings against the Swiss, used his renowned tenacity to edge a 7-5 4-6 7-6 (12-10) victory in an absorbing exhibition match played out on a specially constructed hybrid court that was one half grass and one half clay.

The 20-year-old Spaniard, on a 72-match unbeaten streak on clay after notching up titles at Monte Carlo and Barcelona last month, adjusted better to the mixed surface in a match that was probably the most bizarre tennis challenge since Billie Jean King beat Bobby Rigg in the Battle of the Sexes back in 1973.
The split court gave a clear advantage to the player on the clay side, with the higher bounce giving them more time to line up their shots and move their opponent around the court.

The two players were at their most vulnerable when serving from the grass end of the court as the ball tending to sit up for their opponents and give them time to attack the serve.

Changeovers were extended to two minutes instead of the usual 90 seconds to give players a chance to change their footwear for each surface.

Federer struggled to adapt to the mixed surface and made an uncharacteristic number of unforced errors early in the match.

Nadal took full advantage to break his serve when the Swiss was serving from the grass and go on to take the opening set 7-5.

FOUND RHYTHM

The Swiss upset the established routine by breaking Nadal's serve in the opening game of the second set when the Spaniard was on the clay and found his rhythm to take the second set 6-4.

The two players exchanged breaks early in a high-quality third set and it was level pegging right through to the deciding tie-break.

Federer, who is on a 48-match unbeaten streak on grass, looked to be heading for victory after going a mini-break up, but the tenacious Nadal fought back hard to gain the upper hand, eventually winning through 12-10.

The organizers had experienced problems with the grass side of the court after the original turf had failed to cope with the indoor location and then fell victim to a plague of worms.

As a result they decided to lay a brand new surface the night before the clash, transporting in 400 square meters of putting green grass from a local golf club supplier.

In general, the mixed surface stood up well, although the grass side gave some odd bounces in the latter stages.

Apart from the innovations to cope with the novel surface, the match showed little other sign of being an exhibition with both players clearly determined to claim the honor as the first winner of the "battle of the surfaces" which will be played out at the same venue for the next two years.

(Writing by Simon Baskett in Madrid)
Updated on Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:49 pm EDT

funny how it was the grass side that gave the organizers trouble;) ;)

z-money
05-02-2007, 11:46 AM
I thought nadal might clean him up again. but it was really close. but a win is a win

edmondsm
05-02-2007, 11:53 AM
What channel was this on?

Ivanišević
05-02-2007, 12:01 PM
i wasn't able to watch it..
does anybody have a link? I'm searching for some highlights

Ripper
05-02-2007, 12:25 PM
I saw it on Spanish Fox Sports :p

Dho4001
05-02-2007, 12:25 PM
Ya I would really like to see a replay sometime

tuk
05-02-2007, 01:12 PM
I thought the player on the grass side would lose every game regardless of if he was recieving or serving and that, therefore, the exhibition would be a failure. Well, it didn't go down like that. Actually, it was, at times, kind of interesting. I don't know if I'd like to see something like that again, but, at least, it didn't bore me as much as I thought it would. In any case, the player who looked more serious about winning the thing, ended up winning... whatever that means. Oh well, let's get back to real tennis, please...

I have to admit i was wrong too...the match was actually very interesting and competitive....I'm looking forward to a Rafa-Roger final in Rome....

edmondsm
05-02-2007, 01:19 PM
I have to admit i was wrong too...the match was actually very interesting and competitive....I'm looking forward to a Rafa-Roger final in Rome....

Oh God, I fear it will be another inept effort to stop Rafa on clay.

McStud
05-02-2007, 01:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4cjm18-p0&NR=1

Teh_pwnerer
05-02-2007, 02:04 PM
dood, i recorded this thing until the 9-9!!!! then tape ran out WTF! for what i saw (the tiebreak) this was a hell of a fcken match!!!!!!!!

Baghdatis72
05-02-2007, 02:14 PM
Nice match but result was a bit too much to be a real match. After the 7-5 4-6 many of us predicted in the other thread that there would be a tie break in the 3rd set, that Nadal would win and that the result of the tie break would be tight and possibly 12-10!!! :D

Ripper
05-02-2007, 02:16 PM
Nice match but result was a bit too much to be a real match. After the 7-5 4-6 many of us predicted in the other thread that there would be a tie break in the 3rd set, that Nadal would win and that the result of the tie break would be tight and possibly 12-10!!! :D

Yeah, but the time of your "prediction" was after the time the match ended ;)

Baghdatis72
05-02-2007, 02:18 PM
Yeah, but the time of your "prediction" was after the time the match ended ;)

No you can go to the thread and check it out. It was during the 3rd set and when Federer broke back ;)

Here is the proof:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131164&page=7

page 6 post 227 and page 7 post 253. Andres was still commentating on the score being almost 5-5.

CyBorg
05-02-2007, 02:19 PM
I notice Fed is volleying more in that clip. That usually means he's playing around. That break at handed to him early in the third set showed somewhat careless tennis on his part. It's acceptable I guess, but no match of the century as some predicted.

Ripper
05-02-2007, 02:21 PM
No you can go to the thread and check it out. It was during the 3rd set and when Federer broke back ;)

Well, by that time, it was obvious there was going to be a tie-break. The 12-10 prediction may well have been your mental powers, though :grin:

Baghdatis72
05-02-2007, 02:23 PM
Well, by that time, it was obvious there was going to be a tie-break. The 12-10 prediction may well have been your mental powers, though :grin:

No it made sense at the moment because it wasn't too much but also neither boringly short at the same time for a tie break. It's a score that a good director would choose ;)

Attila the tennis Bum
05-02-2007, 02:28 PM
I watched the match. I think they started out competitive. They both got upset at times smacking the ball into the net in anger and frustration. But by the final set they were completely faking the match. They simply put on a show to entertain. I predicted a long final tie breaker. And thats exactly what happened.

There were silly misses and a double fault on match point. It was pathetic but fun nonetheless.

Zaragoza
05-02-2007, 02:33 PM
A short clip including last 2 points of the match.


http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/979529.html

Polaris
05-02-2007, 02:46 PM
but it was really close. but a win is a win
No, an exhibition is an exhibition. :)

p0w3r
05-02-2007, 02:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT4cjm18-p0&NR=1

i know everyone has probably heard enough of this but...does nadal really have ocd? whats up with that bottle cap thing in the beginning?

Fedace
05-02-2007, 02:53 PM
I have a insider info that rafa will throw french open to federer and Roger will throw Wimbledon to rafa.

Fedace
05-02-2007, 02:54 PM
i know everyone has probably heard enough of this but...does nadal really have ocd? whats up with that bottle cap thing in the beginning?

is this the highlights only?:confused:

goforgold99
05-02-2007, 03:02 PM
i know everyone has probably heard enough of this but...does nadal really have ocd? whats up with that bottle cap thing in the beginning?

lol, Nadal aka Mr. Monk :D

Zaragoza
05-02-2007, 03:28 PM
It was an exhibition match, true. But it wasn´t fixed, let´s be fair. I think most of people who actually watched the whole match will agree.
I think this unique half grass-half clay court made things a little different than any other exo match. It was a one life experience so I think they were excited to play and they tried their best even if the pressure to win/lose wasn´t there.
Also, there is always some pride in play when Fed-Nadal are on the court.
The bounces on the grass side were really low, definitely lower than the grass from Wimbledon and it was almost impossible to return the slice shots bouncing on the grass side.
In the final tie-break Fed started on the clay side so he could take advantage (4-1 ) but then he made some unforced errors in the big points.
Nadal had match point at 6-5 and double-faulted. Federer had 2 match points (maybe 3, not sure) but then Nadal played more consistently and won.
Even if it was an exo match I think Fed lost a good chance to grow in confidence against Nadal, especially after wasting match points.

Baghdatis72
05-02-2007, 03:34 PM
I have a insider info that rafa will throw french open to federer and Roger will throw Wimbledon to rafa.


This has to be a joke. Grand slams are not coins to be thrown from one player to another just like that. No one guarantees that they will meet in both finals anyway.


It was an exhibition match, true. But it wasn´t fixed, let´s be fair. I think most of people who actually watched the whole match will agree.
I think this unique half grass-half clay court made things a little different than any other exo match. It was a one life experience so I think they were excited to play and they tried their best even if the pressure to win/lose wasn´t there.
Also, there is always some pride in play when Fed-Nadal are on the court.
The bounces on the grass side were really low, definitely lower than the grass from Wimbledon and it was almost impossible to return the slice shots bouncing on the grass side.
In the final tie-break Fed started on the clay side so he could take advantage (4-1 ) but then he made some unforced errors in the big points.
Nadal had match point at 6-5 and double-faulted. Federer had 2 match points (maybe 3, not sure) but then Nadal played more consistently and won.
Even if it was an exo match I think Fed lost a good chance to grow in confidence against Nadal, especially after wasting match points.


You have to be joking :confused:

It reminded me of a screen play in a theater more than a tennis match.

GS
05-02-2007, 03:41 PM
Does this mean that Nadal now has 72-1/2 straight wins on clay?

The Gorilla
05-02-2007, 04:37 PM
dood, i recorded this thing until the 9-9!!!! then tape ran out WTF! for what i saw (the tiebreak) this was a hell of a fcken match!!!!!!!!

could you upload it onto google video please?

Baghdatis72
05-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Omg I just watched a clip on youtube of the end of the last set and the amazing feature is that they are so good that they can fake it without it being too obvious. Nadal missed shots that he never misses and didn't run down balls that he normally retrieves. Federer looked strangely "caught up" at the net by Nadal's shots and just watched the ball when he could have volleyed or at least tried to volley.
As for the double faults on the match points it is a step too far :lol:

ollie6286
05-02-2007, 05:46 PM
posted this on a couple threads already, just making sure people see it that want to! the last 38 minutes of the match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnBMVRpeKHA

tenniskid3119
05-02-2007, 05:53 PM
in the first clip. fed was playing horrible, could he serve any worse and clip the top of the tap more? but thats the only part of the match I saw.

GS
05-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Thanks, Ollie! You made my day!

TheNatural
05-02-2007, 06:13 PM
That last point was pretty funny. Pity about the bad bounce.

A short clip including last 2 points of the match.


http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/979529.html

LarougeNY
05-02-2007, 07:11 PM
What's with fed trying to serve and volley like every point, even on clay?

psamp14
05-02-2007, 08:16 PM
i was just watching the large youtube clip, thanks btw to the poster who posted it,...and it seems that it they were really fooling around, especially federer with the very looooooose and awkward backhands....

but it was good fun to watch :)

Bassus
05-02-2007, 08:30 PM
It was an exhibition match, true. But it wasn´t fixed, let´s be fair. I think most of people who actually watched the whole match will agree.
I think this unique half grass-half clay court made things a little different than any other exo match. It was a one life experience so I think they were excited to play and they tried their best even if the pressure to win/lose wasn´t there.
Also, there is always some pride in play when Fed-Nadal are on the court.
The bounces on the grass side were really low, definitely lower than the grass from Wimbledon and it was almost impossible to return the slice shots bouncing on the grass side.
In the final tie-break Fed started on the clay side so he could take advantage (4-1 ) but then he made some unforced errors in the big points.
Nadal had match point at 6-5 and double-faulted. Federer had 2 match points (maybe 3, not sure) but then Nadal played more consistently and won.
Even if it was an exo match I think Fed lost a good chance to grow in confidence against Nadal, especially after wasting match points.


Sounds like a typical Federer-Nadal match on clay. Federer has multiple chances, but wastes them. Federer builds leads in sets and/or tiebreaks, but cannot hold them. Nadal plays all the big points in the final set better than Federer. Nadal wins.

stormholloway
05-02-2007, 08:41 PM
So what are the differences in their shoes?

almost420
05-02-2007, 08:55 PM
Federer wore his Rolex endorsement watch during the match. That tells me they were for the most part, playing for fun and entertainment.

Ripper
05-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Federer wore his Rolex endorsement watch during the match. That tells me they were for the most part, playing for fun and entertainment.

Reminds me of Robredo and that horrible watch they pay him to use... Well, at least, I hope he's getting paid, because it's a huge horrible piece of crap :-(

caulcano
05-03-2007, 10:48 AM
A short clip including last 2 points of the match.


http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/979529.html

Looks like Nadal had an advantagefrom the word go. The clay looked/played like normal clay while the grass was sub-standard.

Simon Cowell
05-03-2007, 02:35 PM
This is another example of Nadal B-Slapping Federer around. If Federer had won, although almost impossible, you would have heard the Federer fans on here claiming it a massive step toward Federer figuring Nadal out (laughs).


Oh, how much does it hurt, Federer fans? Tsk Tsk

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-03-2007, 02:50 PM
This is another example of Nadal B-Slapping Federer around. If Federer had won, although almost impossible, you would have heard the Federer fans on here claiming it a massive step toward Federer figuring Nadal out (laughs).


Oh, how much does it hurt, Federer fans? Tsk Tsk
3 close sets isnt exactly b-slapping, b-slapping is u hating on fed cuz hes good.

tintin
05-03-2007, 04:27 PM
well that didn't take long people for some mofo to say something about "the battle of the surfaces":rolleyes::lol:

S.C. teaching pro sues organizers over hybrid court
May 3, 2007

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- A South Carolina teaching pro has sued organizers of the recently concluded half-grass, half-clay tennis match between stars Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal.

Renata Marcinkowska, a former WTA tour player who now lives in Rock Hill, took action against management and marketing giant, IMG, and two advertising firms involved in Wednesday's exhibition in Palma De Mallorca, Spain.
The suit, which does not specify damages, claims Marcinkowska invented the idea of a tennis court of differing surfaces on either side of the net, received a patent from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in November 2004 and pitched the idea to IMG soon after she got the patent.

"IMG did not express interest in the Patent at the time," according to Marcinkowska's suit, filed Tuesday in federal court in Columbia.

Marcinkowska says in her suit she met with IMG in February "with the idea of having Roger Federer play Rafael Nadal on a hybrid court." Again, the suit said, IMG expressed no interest in going forward.

She learned of plans for the Federer-Nadal exhibition last month and made several calls to IMG and sent e-mails to the company to try and stop it, according to the suit.

Nadal beat Federer 7-5, 4-6, 7-6 (10).

Marcinkowska's suit claims patent infringement, civil conspiracy and unfair business practices and asks for a jury trial. She did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

IMG spokesman Brian Weiss said the company hadn't seen the lawsuit and would not comment.

Updated on Thursday, May 3, 2007 5:52 pm EDT
http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slug=ap-two-surfacecourt-lawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns

Andres
05-03-2007, 05:08 PM
Looks like Nadal had an advantagefrom the word go. The clay looked/played like normal clay while the grass was sub-standard.
Fed also played on the clay side, attacking the grass side, you know?

Ripper
05-04-2007, 09:21 AM
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Ripper
05-04-2007, 09:22 AM
In any case, Rafa and Roger have been having a REAL battle of surfaces for the last couple of years. The exhibition just showed what we knew already; that Rafa has the upper hand in their personal confrontations.