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Lloyd Barcenilla
05-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Sorry no video but...

My thoughts to second serve are try and have an aggressive one and then build consistency. I am quite consistent with the kick serve, but sometimes in games, they start to drop into the net maybe twice in succession, and then when i try to fix it, it goes long.

What could my problem be?

abenguyen
05-04-2007, 03:13 PM
serve is all about timing. all i can say is practice practice practice

shindemac
05-04-2007, 03:14 PM
Get a topspin serve.

Lloyd Barcenilla
05-04-2007, 03:56 PM
Get a topspin serve.

kick = topspin

es-0
05-04-2007, 06:12 PM
kick = mix of topspin and slice

Duzza
05-04-2007, 08:19 PM
kick = topspin

No. Not really.. Topspin serves will roll over and bounce up. Kick serves "kick" to the side after the bounce.

MTXR
05-04-2007, 08:39 PM
how to increase speed in a topspin/kick serve? Coaches are always saying more spin/racquet head speed and hit through the ball a bit more... but it always flys way out if i try to hit through the ball and kick/topspin it at the same time.

Duzza
05-04-2007, 09:34 PM
how to increase speed in a topspin/kick serve? Coaches are always saying more spin/racquet head speed and hit through the ball a bit more... but it always flys way out if i try to hit through the ball and kick/topspin it at the same time.

Hmm...well I agree with the coaches.

My part time coach always tells me to hit my 2nd serve as hard as my 1st, as in racquet speed, but aim to spin it more. I think this is how Pete Sampras did his spin serves, fast racquet speed. It works well for me..

Swissv2
05-04-2007, 09:46 PM
topspin + slice = american twist.

SFtennisGG
05-05-2007, 12:08 AM
practice....obviously its the pressure of the match...we all experience this. the only way to combat this is to keep practicing so that you're comfortable and confident when faced with the second serve.

mucat
05-05-2007, 12:53 AM
topspin + slice = american twist.

No No No!!! Topspin + slice = topspin-slice serve

American twist is whole different animal.

Lloyd Barcenilla
05-05-2007, 02:09 AM
say the ball is a clock,
WHere do you hit from and to when hitting a i) topspin
ii) Twist/kick serve.

At the moment, i hit from about 7 to 1

brtennis
05-05-2007, 03:30 AM
when your second serves become shaky, try to get the first serve in by either holding back some of your first serve power or using second serve as your first serve.

dave333
05-05-2007, 05:51 AM
It might be toss location. If its too close, it'll go long, too far, it goes into the net.

Or if it is going into the net, you might not be swinging hard enough.

shindemac
05-05-2007, 06:04 AM
You should aim to hit it 2-3 feet above the net and still have it land in. Your swing speed needs to be about the same as your first serve. If you can't do that, then you don't have enough spin on your serve. This serve will take a long time to master.

Swissv2
05-05-2007, 07:23 AM
No No No!!! Topspin + slice = topspin-slice serve

American twist is whole different animal.

gotcha. I will correct myself: American Twist Serve --> Reverse Twist Reverse.

mucat
05-05-2007, 07:55 AM
gotcha. I will correct myself: American Twist Serve --> Reverse Twist Reverse.

No, it is not, and I don't see a smiley.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=72198&page=3&highlight=twist

I don't like the clock face analogy, the clock face is only limit to 2D but the tennis ball is a 3D object.

lecter255
05-06-2007, 01:55 AM
ok, to improve your 2nd serve, first thing you do, is to try to get your 1st serve in =D that way you won't have to hit the 2nd serve you aren't comfortable with.

2nd, yea, get a topspin serve. pure topspin, get that down first, then try other stuff like slice.

Lloyd Barcenilla
05-06-2007, 11:12 AM
okay,

I went out today, and served some second serves, i found that they were dipping in, none really in the net, but they didnt really kick... they bounced.

why is this?

mucat
05-06-2007, 11:50 AM
It can be the trajectory of the ball before it bounce, if the ball has a close to flat serve trajectory (small net clearance) and high pace, it will not bounce as high. Also, are you using old balls or new balls?

Lloyd Barcenilla
05-06-2007, 11:52 AM
It can be the trajectory of the ball before it bounce, if the ball has a close to flat serve trajectory (small net clearance) and high pace, it will not bounce as high. Also, are you using old balls or new balls?

They were new-ish. about 1 hour worth

I think it is the net clearance then, (trajectory)
its not very loopy

mucat
05-06-2007, 11:52 AM
This is a great diagram of topspin serves (by TennisAsAlways)

http://x10.putfile.com/4/9323082987.gif

Lloyd Barcenilla
05-06-2007, 11:55 AM
This is a great diagram of topspin serves (by TennisAsAlways)

http://x10.putfile.com/4/9323082987.gif

SHould i use a topspin/slice or twist serve?

mucat
05-06-2007, 03:12 PM
SHould i use a topspin/slice or twist serve?

Not the twist, it is more difficult to hit. You can see the racket will be attacking the ball at a steep angle for the twist.