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morten
05-05-2007, 01:25 AM
OMG, the rankingupdate is too slow. Feel sorry for him.

jelle v
05-05-2007, 01:36 AM
Why doesn't he get a wildcard..? :confused:

Fedexeon
05-05-2007, 03:39 AM
No. He's injured. He will return in Hamburg. Read his official website.

Dangus
05-05-2007, 09:03 AM
No. He's injured. He will return in Hamburg. Read his official website.

Really?! I would've liked to see him play Federer on the dirt. :(

Zaragoza
05-05-2007, 09:18 AM
No. He's injured. He will return in Hamburg. Read his official website.

No, he is playing qualies in Rome. He already won his first match against Di Mauro.

laurie
05-05-2007, 09:21 AM
Strange he has to play qualifiers now. I thought he was top 30 now.

I don't understand how Tennis works sometimes.

Andres
05-05-2007, 09:24 AM
He applied for the tournament, and they take in consideration his ranking 6 weeks before the tourney. He was around 50s or 60s back then.

Fee
05-05-2007, 10:09 AM
It's simple. Main draw entries are done 6 weeks in advance of the tournament (the Wimbledon list comes out week after next I think). For Masters events qualifiying, the entry lists are compiled 3 weeks in advance.

It was a bit silly for the tournament not to give him a wildcard though, his results have been impressive lately.

Andres
05-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Did he ask for one, Fee?

aramis
05-05-2007, 10:23 AM
I doubt they would have given it to him. See Rome 2005, Ferrero. They only give WC to the Italian guys it seems.

Fee
05-05-2007, 10:29 AM
Did he ask for one, Fee?

Not sure, haven't really been paying attention. He may not have (which would be kind of classy of him).

goforgold99
05-05-2007, 11:05 AM
Not sure, haven't really been paying attention. He may not have (which would be kind of classy of him).

maybe he sees the qualies as warming up for the tournament :)

callitout
05-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Did he ask for one, Fee?
huh? ask for a wild card? isnt that like asking for a nomination to the supreme court--okay maybe like the court of appeals. I thought tournaments selected very highly qualified players (often local) who wouldnt otheriwise make it into the main draw. I didnt know asking ever came into it.

Andres
05-05-2007, 12:01 PM
You have to ASK for the Wildcards :p

Fee
05-05-2007, 12:58 PM
Exactly Andres, you have to ask for them. Sometimes the tournament director will know ahead of time that he wants someone in the draw and make the first phone call (like when Sam Querrey was getting offers before he had to ask for them), but yes, players often pick up the phone and call to request a wildcard (or they have their agents/coaches do it).

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-05-2007, 01:11 PM
hopefully canas will get in the main draw, he'll prolly play safin.

goforgold99
05-05-2007, 01:21 PM
hopefully canas will get in the main draw, he'll prolly play safin.

if they're really mean they put Canas into Fed's eighth, so that he has to play him in his second match :D

Baghdatis72
05-05-2007, 01:28 PM
if they're really mean they put Canas into Fed's eighth, so that he has to play him in his second match :D

That would be cool :p

VGP
05-05-2007, 05:56 PM
I wonder if the black cloud of the doping ban is still following Canas around....perhaps tournaments (especially MS) don't want to look like they're "promoting" the advancement of a player with such a history.

Wingshellphelp
05-05-2007, 06:01 PM
I wonder if the black cloud of the doping ban is still following Canas around....perhaps tournaments (especially MS) don't want to look like they're "promoting" the advancement of a player with such a history.

quite possibly. he should play Estoril. he could even be a seed, and it's low, so they won't do tons of drug tests

FedFan_2007
05-05-2007, 06:19 PM
Canas deserves the dark cloud. He should be forced to qualify for slams even if he's top 10in ATP rankings. Doping = 1 strike and you're out!!!!!

Andres
05-05-2007, 06:21 PM
And you should be forced to qualify for the brain auction they're doing around the block. It's a pity what they're doing to you!!

In my opinion, it's not fair. Everyone has the right to have a brain.

I'll join your cruzade.

FedFan_2007
05-05-2007, 07:04 PM
And you should be forced to qualify for the brain auction they're doing around the block. It's a pity what they're doing to you!!

In my opinion, it's not fair. Everyone has the right to have a brain.

I'll join your cruzade.

Oh hardy-har har. I'm in Mensa.

Andres
05-05-2007, 07:07 PM
Good for you. I'm in Mensa too.
Unfortunately, your posts doesn't really show that condition ;)

VGP
05-05-2007, 07:07 PM
Oooohh......you must think you're hot stuff, FedFan_2007.

Fee
05-05-2007, 07:07 PM
quite possibly. he should play Estoril. he could even be a seed, and it's low, so they won't do tons of drug tests

Huh? Estoril will be over on Sunday, and it's an ATP tournament so they do the same amount of drug testing as any other tournament.

morten
05-06-2007, 02:38 AM
no wonder he is injured all the time, having to qualify all the time...

Andres
05-06-2007, 04:58 AM
It's only two matches, after all (But 3 less matches than any seeded player, though)

He won the first one pretty easily under one hour. Let's hope he can do the same thing with the 2nd one against Serra.

Wingshellphelp
05-06-2007, 05:17 AM
Huh? Estoril will be over on Sunday, and it's an ATP tournament so they do the same amount of drug testing as any other tournament.

i meant he should have played Estoril. Sorry!

EasternRocks
05-06-2007, 06:08 AM
honestly, he should be seeded! He is so good, taking out Roger two times in a row, is amazing..do they take that in considerration?

FEEL SO BAD FOE HIM!!!
but i think he'll still do well!

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 06:27 AM
I think its stupid to look at player's ranking 6 weeks before the tournament. I mean the Canas story is such a perfect example as to why tournaments should be more mindful of the current status of a player.

Canas deserves the dark cloud. He should be forced to qualify for slams even if he's top 10in ATP rankings. Doping = 1 strike and you're out!!!!!

Get real man. Your statement makes no sense: if you think he should be forced to qualify for tournaments and that 1 strike = being banned you have two beliefs that contradict each other. Players, just like people, make mistakes. And in most cases they are not even their own fault. So I hardly think it is fair to punish someone for their entire career or think much less of them.

Canas is a good and exciting player to watch, and I would love to see him play Federer on the dirt. If tennis is going to propel its fan base it needs to have fun and exciting players playing in its major tournaments. Not sitting on the bench waiting to get into a main draw.

Alejandro D
05-06-2007, 08:28 AM
At this point it's unfair to make Cañas qualify for any tournament. He had to qualify for the Pacific Open too, so he got to the final with 2 matches more than Djokovic. He had a lower ranking then, but now it seems like an unfair disadvantage.

tennisjunkiela
05-06-2007, 08:44 AM
At this point it's unfair to make Cañas qualify for any tournament. He had to qualify for the Pacific Open too, so he got to the final with 2 matches more than Djokovic. He had a lower ranking then, but now it seems like an unfair disadvantage.

i agree fully! by the time he gets to the finals, he's not able to play his best because he's prone to cramping due to all the miles he's put on his wheels in qualifying and the main draw!

Andres
05-06-2007, 08:47 AM
He won the first set 6-4 against Serra in the final qualification match

Fee
05-06-2007, 09:39 AM
i meant he should have played Estoril. Sorry!

I see. I think he intentionally took this week off to rest up a strained muscle and prepare for the Rome qualies.

honestly, he should be seeded! He is so good, taking out Roger two times in a row, is amazing..do they take that in considerration?


No, that would be silly. Seedings are based on the entry rankings at the time the draw is made, a mostly fair numerical system that all of the players are familiar with and agree with. It's not based on some subjective opinion of who he beat last week (or the fact that he lost to Alexander Waske).

I think its stupid to look at player's ranking 6 weeks before the tournament. I mean the Canas story is such a perfect example as to why tournaments should be more mindful of the current status of a player.


So players shouldn't have to enter a tournament 6 weeks in advance? When would you have them enter, and how would you get the tournament directors to go along with your proposal?

At this point it's unfair to make Cañas qualify for any tournament. He had to qualify for the Pacific Open too, so he got to the final with 2 matches more than Djokovic. He had a lower ranking then, but now it seems like an unfair disadvantage.

That was Miami, not Indian Wells. It's not unfair, it's the same set of rules that all of the players live by. The winners are willing to do the work to get their rankings back, the losers give up and go home.

i agree fully! by the time he gets to the finals, he's not able to play his best because he's prone to cramping due to all the miles he's put on his wheels in qualifying and the main draw!

But he earned extra points for it, and those points helped him improve his ranking so much that he won't have to play qualies for the rest of the year. He has direct entry into Hamburg next week, and every tournament after that. Canas has nothing to defend until much later this year, so a few weeks of hard work has paid off quite nicely for him because he earned all these points at Masters events. This isn't the great drama that some of you seem to be making it out to be.

goforgold99
05-06-2007, 09:43 AM
Canas seems to be having a hard time in his final qualifying match against Serra.
Constant breaking and re-breaking already in the first set. Now it's 6-4 4-6 and the third set is beginning now.

Hope Canas makes it

Alejandro D
05-06-2007, 09:52 AM
I think he's already qualified at least as a lucky loser. He's seeded 1º for the qualy rounds. In that case, struggling against Serra is just a waste of time. Reminds me of that strange round robin experiment...

Alejandro D
05-06-2007, 09:58 AM
I see. I think he intentionally took this week off to rest up a strained muscle and prepare for the Rome qualies.

He didn't take the week off. He played Munich instead of Estoril. He lost to Devilder 4-6 2-1 ret.

goforgold99
05-06-2007, 09:59 AM
I think he's already qualified at least as a lucky loser. He's seeded 1º for the qualy rounds. In that case, struggling against Serra is just a waste of time. Reminds me of that strange round robin experiment...

But as I understand it, if Canas loses to Serra, he has to have the luck that one of the seven qualifiers withdraws to get in as a lucky loser. But that is not very likely to happen...

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 10:01 AM
I wish I had access to this match -but I wouldn't be surprised if Canas is bored playing another qualifier. When he plays "better players" (i.e. Federer or other top 10) he rises to the occasion and elevates his game -making him such a great player to watch and support. We all know the feeling when we tank a little because the guy on the other side of the net is “beneath us” and we become less motivated to play.

So players shouldn't have to enter a tournament 6 weeks in advance? When would you have them enter, and how would you get the tournament directors to go along with your proposal?

I’m not arguing against when a player should enter/commit to playing a tournament (six weeks is fine) –I’m arguing against when the tournament decides to look at a player’s ranking to place them in either the qualifying or main draw. Six weeks is way too early. I really don’t think it should be this far in advance… maybe more like three weeks to make the decision?

Alejandro D
05-06-2007, 10:10 AM
But as I understand it, if Canas loses to Serra, he has to have the luck that one of the seven qualifiers withdraws to get in as a lucky loser. But that is not very likely to happen...

I'm not sure how it works, but i think that if any player from the main draw quits (like Nalbandian did) another qualifier is needed to replace him.

goforgold99
05-06-2007, 10:14 AM
I'm not sure how it works, but i think that if any player from the main draw quits (like Nalbandian did) another qualifier is needed to replace him.
yes, that is another possiblity, which however is unlikely also.

so Canas has to win that match, not to be dependent of luck..

Fee
05-06-2007, 10:19 AM
He didn't take the week off. He played Munich instead of Estoril. He lost to Devilder 4-6 2-1 ret.

Thanks for the correction. :)

But as I understand it, if Canas loses to Serra, he has to have the luck that one of the seven qualifiers withdraws to get in as a lucky loser. But that is not very likely to happen...

If any player withdraws after the main draw is made and the qualifying rounds have begun, that player is replaced by a lucky loser from the qualifying rounds.

I’m not arguing against when a player should enter/commit to playing a tournament (six weeks is fine) –I’m arguing against when the tournament decides to look at a player’s ranking to place them in either the qualifying or main draw. Six weeks is way too early. I really don’t think it should be this far in advance… maybe more like three weeks to make the decision?

The ATP is considering a rule change to make the entry deadline 4 weeks. It's about as much as the tournament directors will give up (they need to print promo materials and get the word out and such). Seedings for the qualie draws and main draws are based on the rankings at the time the draw is made. The current system benefits players in both directions (ie someone whose ranking has dropped in 6 weeks is safely in the main draw and does not have to qualify), and the few isolated cases that come up once or twice per year are probably not going to be enough to convince all of the interested parties to change it.

By the way, Amer Delic has qualified for the main draw in Rome. That's pretty impressive.

goforgold99
05-06-2007, 10:19 AM
Canas made it! 8-)

6-4 4-6 6-3

tennisjunkiela
05-06-2007, 10:29 AM
I’m not arguing against when a player should enter/commit to playing a tournament (six weeks is fine) –I’m arguing against when the tournament decides to look at a player’s ranking to place them in either the qualifying or main draw. Six weeks is way too early. I really don’t think it should be this far in advance… maybe more like three weeks to make the decision?

good point - six weeks seems too far in advance!

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 12:27 PM
good point - six weeks seems too far in advance!

Good point about making a good point ;)

If the tournament needs time to promote the event they won't need to do it based on the guys (like Canas) who are hovering on the outskirts of the draw. They can use names of the top 10 to promote the event who will undoubtedly show up and undoubtedly have strong results and minimal potential drops in ranking over the 6 week time frame.

I guess this issue is more for the die-hard tennis fans like those of us on the boards who notice every little detail. Peace and love to all you die-hard tennis fans!

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 12:27 PM
ps Yeah Canas! Now go beat Federer! :D

Fee
05-06-2007, 01:02 PM
What about the players who need to plan their schedules and make flight arrangements? The 6 week entry system has been beneficial to them as well. It's also beneficial to guys on the alternate list. It gives them 3 weeks to decide whether to take their chances with ATP qualies, or perhaps enter a Challenger that week instead if they will get directly in (since Challenger entries are due 3 weeks in advance).

There is a proposal to change the entry system to 4 weeks next season, but I do not see how anything shorter than that will benefit anyone, even the players. Again, you are looking at the instance of one player who played well over a two week span to make a huge jump in the rankings. Movement like that doesn't often happen. Canas had to qualify for one Masters event like everyone else who did not get one of the direct entry spots. He is not suffering, and he is set for the rest of the year.

But since you are a die hard tennis fan who pays attention to every little detail, what do you propose for an entry system that is fair to all of the players? Do you really think that you can require players to enter a tournament 4 weeks in advance, then on the Friday the tournament begins say 'yes, I know you were ranked 62 when the entries were due and that put you in the main draw, but now you are ranked 87 and you have to play qualies. This other guy has moved up and taken your spot. Yeah, make sure you spend another $500 to change that flight at the last minute so you can get here by sign in!'

tennisjunkiela
05-06-2007, 02:21 PM
What about the players who need to plan their schedules and make flight arrangements? The 6 week entry system has been beneficial to them as well. It's also beneficial to guys on the alternate list. It gives them 3 weeks to decide whether to take their chances with ATP qualies, or perhaps enter a Challenger that week instead if they will get directly in (since Challenger entries are due 3 weeks in advance).

There is a proposal to change the entry system to 4 weeks next season, but I do not see how anything shorter than that will benefit anyone, even the players. Again, you are looking at the instance of one player who played well over a two week span to make a huge jump in the rankings. Movement like that doesn't often happen. Canas had to qualify for one Masters event like everyone else who did not get one of the direct entry spots. He is not suffering, and he is set for the rest of the year.

But since you are a die hard tennis fan who pays attention to every little detail, what do you propose for an entry system that is fair to all of the players? Do you really think that you can require players to enter a tournament 4 weeks in advance, then on the Friday the tournament begins say 'yes, I know you were ranked 62 when the entries were due and that put you in the main draw, but now you are ranked 87 and you have to play qualies. This other guy has moved up and taken your spot. Yeah, make sure you spend another $500 to change that flight at the last minute so you can get here by sign in!'

obviously the atp also recognizes there is a problem with the 6 week entry system, when one of the hottest players on the tour like canas, is being forced to qualify! that's why the atp is considering reducing the entry system to 4 weeks.

seems like a fair solution to me!

goforgold99
05-06-2007, 02:22 PM
Canas has been placed in Nadals half!

That means Fed can meet Canas or Nadal only in the Final. A Canas - Nadal match is possible in semi-finals

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 05:34 PM
What about the players who need to plan their schedules and make flight arrangements? The 6 week entry system has been beneficial to them as well. Give me a break, most pro players don’t know where they are going to be after the match they play that day. I would bet ~90% of all plane tickets bought by pro tennis players are on the same day after a lost match departing the same day or the next.

It's also beneficial to guys on the alternate list. It gives them 3 weeks to decide whether to take their chances with ATP qualies, or perhaps enter a Challenger that week instead if they will get directly in (since Challenger entries are due 3 weeks in advance). Lower ranked players don’t need 3 weeks to make a decision to play a certain tournament. They know within minutes to hours if they have enough confidence/money to play a certain tournament.

There is a proposal to change the entry system to 4 weeks next season, but I do not see how anything shorter than that will benefit anyone, even the players. Again, you are looking at the instance of one player who played well over a two week span to make a huge jump in the rankings. Movement like that doesn't often happen. I’m not saying it happens often, just that a tournament should not be limited to guidelines that prevent for exciting players to play in their tournament. I want what’s best for the tennis fans –not the admin office.

Canas had to qualify for one Masters event like everyone else who did not get one of the direct entry spots. He is not suffering, and he is set for the rest of the year. You’re right, Canas is a big boy –but as a tennis fan I would have liked to see him play this event without having to qualify and be possibly be more tired than he should be for the matches “worth watching”.

But since you are a die hard tennis fan who pays attention to every little detail, what do you propose for an entry system that is fair to all of the players? Look, no reason to get “cute” with me. I think what I've discussed is fair, to players and fans alike.

Do you really think that you can require players to enter a tournament 4 weeks in advance, then on the Friday the tournament begins say 'yes, I know you were ranked 62 when the entries were due and that put you in the main draw, but now you are ranked 87 and you have to play qualies. This other guy has moved up and taken your spot. Yeah, make sure you spend another $500 to change that flight at the last minute so you can get here by sign in!'
Uhhh buddy, I didn’t say or propose this. What does the ranking of a player on the Friday before the tournament have to do with anything. I have only been talking about the players rank when it comes time to sign-up/commit to the tournament –not immediately before the tournament. Please don’t falsify my words or ideas. This conversation has gotten too involved. All most of us are saying is that the current rules are ridiculous and should be changed –it’s not like we’re looking to amend the Constitution. Besides, I think a shorter time span before tournament entry would help ensure more anticipation of future sporting events, no more no less.

Fedace
05-06-2007, 05:54 PM
now that canas qualified, Fed is in trouble

Fee
05-06-2007, 06:15 PM
Give me a break, most pro players don’t know where they are going to be after the match they play that day. I would bet ~90% of all plane tickets bought by pro tennis players are on the same day after a lost match departing the same day or the next.

I think you would lose that bet.

Lower ranked players don’t need 3 weeks to make a decision to play a certain tournament. They know within minutes to hours if they have enough confidence/money to play a certain tournament.

Yeah, they do. Or at least the ones I've spoken to do. The players on the cusp will use that time to see if there are changes in the entry list, early withdrawals and such. They will consider their health, the travel, the potential qualie draw opponents, and all kinds of factors to decide between a Challenger or Tour event qualies, and they often make that decision on Monday right before the entry deadline.

I’m not saying it happens often, just that a tournament should not be limited to guidelines that prevent for exciting players to play in their tournament. I want what’s best for the tennis fans –not the admin office.

That's why they have wildcards, to use as they see fit. Rome chose to give theirs to Italian players and not Canas.


You’re right, Canas is a big boy –but as a tennis fan I would have liked to see him play this event without having to qualify and be possibly be more tired than he should be for the matches “worth watching”.

Shame the Tournament director didn't agree with you.

Look, no reason to get “cute” with me. I think what I've discussed is fair, to players and fans alike.

WTF? Those were your words, not mine.

Uhhh buddy, I didn’t say or propose this. What does the ranking of a player on the Friday before the tournament have to do with anything. I have only been talking about the players rank when it comes time to sign-up/commit to the tournament –not immediately before the tournament. Please don’t falsify my words or ideas. This conversation has gotten too involved. All most of us are saying is that the current rules are ridiculous and should be changed –it’s not like we’re looking to amend the Constitution. Besides, I think a shorter time span before tournament entry would help ensure more anticipation of future sporting events, no more no less.

I'm not your buddy, but thanks for the offer. You're right, you proposed a 3 week entry deadline in your most recent post, but I based my response on an earlier comment that you made about using the current rankings. My mistake. I still think the 4 week entry system will be fair, to players and fans alike (because it allows the fans to get 21 day airfares if they were planning to fly off to some location to attend a pro tournament). Anything less than that would be a nightmare.

tennisjunkiela
05-06-2007, 06:52 PM
you proposed a 3 week entry deadline in your most recent post.

pleepers didn't propose a hard and fast 3 week entry deadline but rather something "maybe more like three weeks to make the decision". this suggests flexibility.

but in any case, whether it's 3 weeks or 4 weeks, the main point is that the current 6 weeks entry deadline for sure doesn't work so, i for one, hope that the atp makes a change soon so that each tournament is fielding the best competition!

the 6 week entry dealine is a mute point for now, since canas qualified, but it needs to be addressed soon so that top players aren't left out due to technicalities!

everytime a tennis tournament is held, we need to be fielding the best players period!

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 07:37 PM
Tennisjunkiela, thanks for your post, I appreciate your input and understanding of the matter. Fee –you sound ridiculous. I say 3 weeks you say 4. Do you really live that boring of a life that you have to pick fights with people on the internet to keep the drama going?

I think you would lose that bet. Ok good one!

Yeah, they do. Or at least the ones I've spoken to do. The players on the cusp will use that time to see if there are changes in the entry list, early withdrawals and such. They will consider their health, the travel, the potential qualie draw opponents, and all kinds of factors to decide between a Challenger or Tour event qualies, and they often make that decision on Monday right before the entry deadline. Now you are talking semantics, how many players “on the cusp” are there …really (please don’t respond because I know it will only be some other unqualified answer)???

That's why they have wildcards, to use as they see fit. Rome chose to give theirs to Italian players and not Canas. Yeah NO KIDDING that’s the point of this thread, they used their wildcards for players only Italians want to see and Canas got the short end of the stick because of the STUPID 6 week rule that practically everyone in this thread feels the same way about…except you apparently.

Shame the Tournament director didn't agree with you. Ohh I feel so bad because some tourney admin didn’t feel the same way I did. Get a life.

WTF? Those were your words, not mine. I know I wrote them –except you tried to turn them around on me in an attempt to be snide. Grow up, I see right through your bs.

I'm not your buddy, but thanks for the offer. Umm I really wasn’t asking you to be my buddy, I guess it was my response to you setting the tone of this conversation.

You're right, you proposed a 3 week entry deadline in your most recent post, but I based my response on an earlier comment that you made about using the current rankings. My mistake. I still think the 4 week entry system will be fair, to players and fans alike (because it allows the fans to get 21 day airfares if they were planning to fly off to some location to attend a pro tournament). Anything less than that would be a nightmare. I don’t know what kind of life you live, but for fans who can afford to travel to Europe to watch a tennis tournament would more than likely plan to go despite the tournament draw. Besides, for those who do jetset around the world like that I hardly doubt the week difference between what we agree on would make much a difference anyways and would surely not even enter the minds of tourney directors for this same reason.

Now before you start typing away in an attempt to salvage any dignity you might have, why don’t you save us all the trouble and just answer the question that’s really bothering us all: is that really you in the picture –cuss that’s the real “nightmare”!

Fee
05-06-2007, 08:49 PM
Yes, that is me in the photo. And you asking me that question tells me everything about you and your level of maturity that I need to know. I've had that picture as my avatar since the event it was taken at in January, anyone who cared already knew the details.

You can answer a question for me: who is the 'us' that you speak for and when did they elect you?

I have lost no diginity in this thread at all by attempting to discuss an issue that is very important to how the ATP runs its events. Shame you couldn't keep the discussion going without resorting to insults. I see no drama here, just a conversation.

As for players 'on the cusp' it happens every week, and yes, I have spoken to a few who have debated what to do about their schedules, not just deciding between the tour and the challenger level, but also deciding between challenger events and futures events.

As for the people who travel to tournaments, anyone who has read this forum for a while has seen this in action. People will debate attending a tournament based on many factors and some will make that decision late. Even traveling from Phoenix to LA for the tournament in July involves planning and budgeting. Perhaps this isn't an issue for you, but it has been an issue for some, and I have some sympathy for that.

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 10:27 PM
Yes, that is me in the photo. And you asking me that question tells me everything about you and your level of maturity that I need to know. I've had that picture as my avatar since the event it was taken at in January, anyone who cared already knew the details.

You can answer a question for me: who is the 'us' that you speak for and when did they elect you?

I have lost no diginity in this thread at all by attempting to discuss an issue that is very important to how the ATP runs its events. Shame you couldn't keep the discussion going without resorting to insults. I see no drama here, just a conversation.

As for players 'on the cusp' it happens every week, and yes, I have spoken to a few who have debated what to do about their schedules, not just deciding between the tour and the challenger level, but also deciding between challenger events and futures events.

As for the people who travel to tournaments, anyone who has read this forum for a while has seen this in action. People will debate attending a tournament based on many factors and some will make that decision late. Even traveling from Phoenix to LA for the tournament in July involves planning and budgeting. Perhaps this isn't an issue for you, but it has been an issue for some, and I have some sympathy for that.

As Dave Chappelle once said: "OKAY".

ps you're going to have to show me how to use the ignore list -it might come in handy.

Pleepers
05-06-2007, 10:29 PM
One more thing, are you a travel agent or a tourney admin?

Fee
05-07-2007, 06:30 AM
Neither. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

;)