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Pro_Tour_630
05-07-2007, 07:59 PM
I am an expert on few sticks but when it comes to Fischers I am clueless.

does anyone know the difference between those two sticks and how do they play? History of these two sticks will help. I only know the first Pro classic 98 was part of the Bosworth collection. It does have vacuum technology so technically it can be called vacuum? not sure http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCBOS-BWFPC.html
A classic Fischer player's racquet with a ceramic & graphite construction. Offers excellent feel and control. The beam with Vacuum Technology was designed to offer an uniform response and enough feedback for the feel and touch required by elite level players. The Classic Pro 98 was used on the tour by pro player Andre Medvedev circa 1998. In other words TW states that it does have vacuum technology and can be called vacuum? am I wrong?


Is it safe to describe "Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 98, blue frame. big brother to Fischer VacPro 90, with same bumper guard to this frame"? using the word Vacuum? this is very important?for this below? how accurate is my description?
http://i14.tinypic.com/52zn8m8.jpg

and how does it differ from this frame vacuum 98 frame?
http://i14.tinypic.com/4vn6xdj.jpg

Hessam was kind enough to send these two beautiful photos to me so any info welcome

are the two frames above VT ceramic and differ only by cosmetic,paint job ?

I was finally able to open up the original link where Hessam sent me a photo saying that this is what he was looking for only in 98

http://i14.tinypic.com/54cgniu.jpg

so which one is it?

which of the above two frames are close to the the 90 pictured above?

This fischer mombo jumbo from 10 plus years ago is so F up. I doubt many or any will know what hell I am asking or even know what the F--- I am talking about.

dennis1188
05-08-2007, 01:04 AM
Same as the Classic Pro 98 was used on the tour by pro player Andre Medvedev in circa 1998 French Open.

Fischer Pro Classic 98, midplus 98 , SIC-ceramics graphite , Fischer Austria
'filament winded,tournament constant 21mm system, vacuum technik'
spec says weight 330+-6g unstrung, balance 308+-5mm
says string tension 26/25 kg,57/55 lbs (a very narrow tension range).

grip size is 4 3/8.
my digital scale says weighs exactly at 12.00 oz (strung).

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/dennis1188/DSCN1353.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/dennis1188/DSCN1351.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w21/dennis1188/DSCN1349.jpg

BTW MC, congrats, on yr 1k post. cheers, D

!Tym
05-08-2007, 01:38 AM
I believe that silve picture one is the same frame as the current Retro (well, actually, just discontinued).

The mold is definitely the same, as are the grommets, string pattern, etc. The current Retro also has ceramics in it.

It also weighs right around 12 oz. strung with a 4-3/8th grip.

The blue version is I just think the cosmetic evolution of the frame, as is the "modern art" version with the exposed layout pictured.

The elaborate, artsy cosmetic version is the earlier version, the blue one the next cosmetic reincarnation, and the silver/red version is the next (and last) cosmetic reincarnation before Fischer dropped ceramics from their models.

VT just stands for vacuum technic, it means the same thing as vacuum pro, or whatever. Fischer was REALLY bad with their naming and cosmetic system back in the days. They basically would reintroduce the same basic player's models with updated cosmetics every few years. Sometimes they'd be called Vacuum Pro Classic 90 or 98, other times VT Pro 90 or 98, etc.

Note, how, the Vacuum Pro Classic 90 also went from the elaborate paint job design to the homogenous blue color paint job to the silver/red paint job. The mold though is still basically the same on all of them as is the basic construction.

Where people debate the late model Fischers, however, is similiar to the Head made in Austria vs. designed in Austria debate. Fischer basically outsourced to China later on, and some feel that the batches made in China vs. in Austria didn't feel as sweet or solid. Same deal, basically the same arguments as with the Head thing.

I will say this though, HANDS DOWN, a made in Austria, Vacuum Pro 90 (the lighter pink/blue one...which is actually the cosmetic version just prior to the 90s pictured in this thread) was the best racket ever for feel I've ever used. I mean you talk about sweet, that felt like I was getting dipped in hot, sexy caramel everytime I hit with it...too bad I only got to hit with it for 15 minutes, but MAN were those the sweetest 15 minutes of my life.

Ah...those were the days, they just don't make 'em like they used to.

Pro_Tour_630
05-08-2007, 04:31 AM
The blue version is I just think the cosmetic evolution of the frame, as is the "modern art" version with the exposed layout pictured.

The elaborate, artsy cosmetic version is the earlier version, the blue one the next cosmetic reincarnation, and the silver/red version is the next (and last) cosmetic reincarnation before Fischer dropped ceramics from their models.

VT just stands for vacuum technic, it means the same thing as vacuum pro, or whatever. Fischer was REALLY bad with their naming and cosmetic system back in the days. They basically would reintroduce the same basic player's models with updated cosmetics every few years. Sometimes they'd be called Vacuum Pro Classic 90 or 98, other times VT Pro 90 or 98, etc.

Note, how, the Vacuum Pro Classic 90 also went from the elaborate paint job design to the homogenous blue color paint job to the silver/red paint job. The mold though is still basically the same on all of them as is the basic construction.

Where people debate the late model Fischers, however, is similiar to the Head made in Austria vs. designed in Austria debate. Fischer basically outsourced to China later on, and some feel that the batches made in China vs. in Austria didn't feel as sweet or solid. Same deal, basically the same arguments as with the Head thing.



Thank you for your information, it clears few things up.

Is it utterly without a doubt out of the question for someone to describe "Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 98, blue frame. big brother to Fischer VacPro 90, with same bumper guard to this frame"? using the word Vacuum? how accurate is my description? and am i misleading the buyer here? when I send him the first blue Fischer I have pictured above.

When someone gives you a picture of the Vacuum pro 90 I have above and only says he is looking for the big brother of it? which one could it be? Is it out of the question to assume that it is Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic 98, blue frame. big brother to Fischer VacPro 90?

It is like someone giving you a picture of a Prestige Classic and saying he wants the big brother to the prestige classic. Which could mean Pro Tour 630 Austrian, Pro Tour 630 chinese, Caped, non Caped, Pro Tour 280 austrian, pro tour 280 Chinese etc....Prestige classic 660

I may be an expert on all of the Head frames but when it comes to Fischer like you said "they were REALLY bad with their naming and cosmetic system back in the days." and It gets to be confusing for someone who has never seen nor played with a Fischer stick in their life.

BTW MC, congrats, on yr 1k post. cheers, D
Thanks dennis unfortunately my 1000 post will be really remembered in a not so positive way :-(

Pro_Tour_630
05-08-2007, 04:42 AM
I will say this though, HANDS DOWN, a made in Austria, Vacuum Pro 90 (the lighter pink/blue one...which is actually the cosmetic version just prior to the 90s pictured in this thread) was the best racket ever for feel I've ever used. I mean you talk about sweet, that felt like I was getting dipped in hot, sexy caramel everytime I hit with it...too bad I only got to hit with it for 15 minutes, but MAN were those the sweetest 15 minutes of my life.


In other words, is this?
http://i14.tinypic.com/52zn8m8.jpg

the big brother to this?
http://i14.tinypic.com/54cgniu.jpg

then this, the one hessam was really looking for
http://i14.tinypic.com/4vn6xdj.jpg

is the big brother to the top vaccum 90 which has pink
http://i13.tinypic.com/66jmuqo.jpg
"what you described as a made in Austria, Vacuum Pro 90 (the lighter pink/blue one...which is actually the cosmetic version just prior to the 90s pictured in this thread)"

morten
05-08-2007, 04:46 AM
it is the big brother yes.I have had all of them exept the Kafelnikov(with variable beamwidth) The silver i had was very strange and headheavy though... it must have been that one frame, the blue i have is exellent, still use my 90 now and then..

007
05-08-2007, 04:52 AM
To the best of my knowledge the only differences between the earlier Vacuum Pro's and the latter Pro Classics are the 1) years of mfg, and 2) cosmetics. Both share the same constant beam molds, dimensions, weights, balances, and vacuum technic ceramic fiber construction underneath the paint. Stich and Medvedev used these frames. Prior to these, this same frame was known as the Vacuum Pro Elliptic (98 only) and was mostly black, circa 1993-4.

However, any Fischer with a name starting with 'VT' is NOT the same mold....it has the tapered beam 'power feel' 25-23-21mm beam and is what Kafelnikov used (VT98 Pro), and came in red or blue....the blue versions have some exposed layup while the reds do not.

Fischer's naming still confounds to this day IMO and in many cases the same exact frame wouild change names + cosmetic from year to year, while the racquet itself remained the same.

I agree 100% with a previous poster about impact feel. If you think any current racquet has a sweet feel you'd be in for the shock of your life after hitting a Vacuum Pro..... = sweet redefiined!

AAAA
05-08-2007, 08:38 AM
Around about 1995-6ish I knew about the Fischer Pro Classic and the VT Pro line of racquets.

The VT Pro is/was the tapered beam 'Power feel system' frames 25mm-23mm-20mm. While the Pro Classic had the constant profile.

The Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic came in 90" and 98" head sizes with the follow paint jobs

1) The Blue, gold, purpleish pink PJ with graphics to illustrate the filament winded(interwoven fibre) vacuum construction.

2) About 2 years after PJ1 both 90" and 98" frames re-released with solid navy blue PJ and red lettering.

3) Both 90" and 98" later re-released with the silverish PJ as shown by pics posted by dennis1188.

After PJ 3 I took less interest in the Pro Classic but Fischer released an air-carbon 'replacement' for the Pro Classic 98". Same head size, same mold, string pattern but with air-carbon material.

Play wise both 90" and 98" are classed as flexible frames but the 98" is in relative terms stiffer than the 90" but still very comfortable and flexible.

_skunk_
05-08-2007, 10:43 AM
My only Fischer experience is related to this racket:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/RP98/RP98Review.html

which is my main at moment, I found it very food for my all court game, very good at service, nice groundstrokes with excellent control, anybody else hit with it?

I've noticed is not from the same mold. but it's vacuum pro as well.

Pro_Tour_630
05-08-2007, 07:34 PM
it is the big brother yes.

thank you for confirming that the blue pro classic 98 (second generation) is the big brother to the second generation VACUUM pro 90 which is pictured above. Larry and I did not make a mistake.

Dennis confirmed that too
Same as the Classic Pro 98 was used on the tour by pro player Andre Medvedev in circa 1998 French Open.



To the best of my knowledge the only differences between the earlier Vacuum Pro's and the latter Pro Classics are the 1) years of mfg, and 2) cosmetics. Both share the same constant beam molds, dimensions, weights, balances, and vacuum technic ceramic fiber construction underneath the paint.

thanks for confirming that the Vacuum pro's and the Pro Classic's are the same frame throughout generation 1, 2 and 3, except color





The Fischer Vacuum Pro Classic came in 90" and 98" head sizes with the follow paint jobs

1) The Blue, gold, purpleish pink PJ with graphics to illustrate the filament winded(interwoven fibre) vacuum construction.

2) About 2 years after PJ1 both 90" and 98" frames re-released with solid navy blue PJ and red lettering.


Again thanks for confirming that the Blue Pro Classic 98 and the blue Vaccum pro 90 came out in the same year and both are second generation Vacuum pros.


We were right, we sent the right stick after all, with the correct frame advertisement (sans gut)

For anyone who cares about fischers enjoy

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131220

vkartikv
05-09-2007, 07:34 AM
There is something about the weight distribution and flex of the classic 90 and 98s (blue and silver) that just didn't let me find my groove on volleys. Even with the right technique I would get little to no depth on volleys and sometimes they'd fall on my side of the court.

NoBadMojo
05-09-2007, 07:51 AM
AFAIK there has never been a big brother to the VacPro90. The beam is thinner than anything else in the 98 series I do believe, an the headshape may slighty differ as well.

007
05-09-2007, 08:37 AM
agreed....the moldshape of the 90 is very elongated and narrow

Pro_Tour_630
05-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Caped Pro Tour 630 is the big brother to the prestige classic 600, (different head size different beam width) C10 pro is the big brother to the C10 pro tour ( different Head size and different head shape).How about all the head iprestige mid vs mp, LM prestige Mid vs Midplus FXP mid vs midplus (they all have different head shape and different beam width) I would assume the MP's are the big brothers to the Mids. Please give me a term to describe this relation so we can use it in the future. SO people can be informed and not be confused. Yeah I have an iprestige MP it is______to the iprestige Mid for example.

Why would they have a VACUUM PRO 90 AND A VACUUM PRO 98? what would you call the Vacuum Pro 98 in relation to the Vaccum pro 90 then? Distant uncle? OF COURSE THE HEAD SHAPE IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND THE BEAM MAYBE SLIGHTLY THINNER/THICKER BY 1-2MM. Now I would agree that the VT's are different since they do not even share beam width construction 25-23-21mm VS constant beam as 007 mentioned. seems like y'all are confused http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=130793&highlight=vacuum+pro

Similar to PS 6.0 85 and PS 6.0 95 I would assume the PS 95 is the big brother to the PS 85 even though they play completely different. Different head size beam width, flex and feel.

Pro_Tour_630
05-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by NoBadMojo AFAIK there has never been a big brother to the VacPro90. The beam is thinner than anything else in the 98 series I do believe, an the headshape may slighty differ as well.
you should not let our disagreements in the past cloud your judgment

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=880770&postcount=2
i'd buy what you're selling..one sweet frame, and if you are talking about the blueish/purple one with the exposed layup, it is like a piece of art, as opposed to the new stuff where the 'exposed layup' is nothing but decals..incredibly solid well made frames in my opinion..i played it's big brother the VTPro98 for a few years.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=90669&highlight=vacuum+pro




You truly are something and never admit wrongdoing. The only person who is busting on you is......... yourself

You come into this thread saying as far as you are concerned there has never been a "big brother" to the Vacuum Pro 90, that the 98 is different, meaning it should not be called "big brother". A word which Larry and I used to describe the ad (one of the main question in this thread in case you haven't known already). And by you saying it should not be called "Big Brother" you are attempting (which has now been exposed) to discredit our ad. And I am sure you have something against Larry
Originally Posted by NoBadMojo
AFAIK there has never been a big brother to the VacPro90. The beam is thinner than anything else in the 98 series I do believe, an the headshape may slighty differ as well.
Then here in this post below you are calling a VT98 (a stick which is totally different ie tapered beam) not constant beam like the Vacuum pro 98 the stick were are talking about in this thread, a "big brother" to the vacuum pro 90? I don’t get it!!!!!! as far as I am concerned, it is ok for you to call a stick totally irrelevant to the discussion we are having “Big Brother" but when we (Larry and I) call the Vacuum Pro 98 "big brother" to the vacuum pro 90 (both are constant beam) you cry FOUL?!!?
Quote:
i'd buy what you're selling..one sweet frame, and if you are talking about the blueish/purple one with the exposed layup, it is like a piece of art, as opposed to the new stuff where the 'exposed layup' is nothing but decals..incredibly solid well made frames in my opinion..i played it's big brother the VTPro98 for a few years.

yeah and one more thing please answer to post # 14, if it is not big brother what word shall we use?

NoBadMojo
05-10-2007, 12:25 PM
you need to find a way to let this go.....i have no idea what this has to do with whoever Larry is and I assume by add you dont mean attention deficit disorder and are meaning some Ad as in an advertisement.
you've taken something which i posted in another thread and in a very general context and are now using it as a club in this thread in which you were being very specific. all i was doing was resonding in a more specific way since it seems you wanted detailed information..this is what i get for trying to help you..insults thrown at me..nice work there. i have no ill feelings towards you and have no idea how this could possible be a grudge. that certainly wasnt my intent. i'm really not interested in the drama, your conspiracy theories, or your paranoia, as you've done some really intricate research here, and are tenaciously trying to bust me over some real minutia.please stop.
seems to me you posted something similar to this to which i've already responded to...perhaps your post and my response was rightly deleted by the mods..i see you are determined to insult me again...very tenacious of you..please stop, it really doesnt look good on you

Pro_Tour_630
05-10-2007, 01:08 PM
Fair enough Ed.

The mods can delete the above posts but they can not delete this:

AFAIK there has never been a big brother to the VacPro90. The beam is thinner than anything else in the 98 series I do believe, an the headshape may slighty differ as well.

i'd buy what you're selling..one sweet frame, and if you are talking about the blueish/purple one with the exposed layup, it is like a piece of art, as opposed to the new stuff where the 'exposed layup' is nothing but decals..incredibly solid well made frames in my opinion..i played it's big brotherthe VTPro98 for a few years.

As far as I am concerned, it is OK for you to call a stick totally irrelevant (VTPro98 tapered beam)to the discussion we are having as “Big Brother" to the Vacuum pro 90 but when I call the Vacuum Pro 98 "big brother" to the vacuum pro 90 (both are constant beam) you cry FOUL?!!? and I asked you what word should be used instead of big brother to try to put an end to this? you have not responded......... interesting

Pro_Tour_630
05-10-2007, 05:21 PM
here you are using the word again and again, using the word big brother to describe the vacuum pro 90 in relation to the 98. this is getting too easy, god forbid I use it, it is Blasphemy!!

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=153121&postcount=10

the VTPro90 is a really sweet frame if you can make all the power you need and are a very precise ball striker, and the cosmetics are amazing how you can see all the braiding in there. I preferred it's bigger bro the VTPro98 which i believe to be of the same mold as the current Pro#1.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=307315&postcount=7
no it is precisely the VTPro98..i used this very same frame for about 4 years...it's got the layup exposed in areas and is a shade of blue, w. some purple, and some black..the suggested tension range is very narrow.. the cosmetics may have been diff on this frame in its history..ltension like 54-56 or so and doesnt play well if strung tighter than that...it's the identical profile of the Pro1 w. a tapered beam. it's the big brother to the VTPro90 Stich model which has similar graphics but a very slim stright beam and smaller head of course. it's alot firmer than the current Pro1 in general and you can feel the ceramics in there, but it has a very unique special feel. it's for a good ball striker. this frame is good at everything but in typical fischer style the operator has to be good at everything for the racquet to be good at everything..it's a bit more demanding than todays racquets of similar headsize..sorry about the typos.