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david aames
03-13-2004, 07:59 PM
or is it just that he doesn't know about Tournagrip XL?

Grimjack
03-13-2004, 08:12 PM
1HBH?

Lots of one-handers wrap that way. Saves on expenses, since you can get two wraps out of one grip. Then, even if they advance and make pro money, they stick with it because they're used to it from the days when money mattered.

Hawaii 5.0
03-13-2004, 08:25 PM
Well why grip what you never touch anyhow.I did it years ago and stopped becuase I much prefer to keep leather cleaner.

Rabbit
03-13-2004, 08:27 PM
Looks like Luxilon Big Banger Original to me...

And, I quit buying the XL. Why wrap what you never touch? It's cheaper to buy the regular 30-packs.

david aames
03-13-2004, 08:35 PM
Just noticed that his PD+ doesn't have the writing of the stock model on the inside of the throat...

david aames
03-13-2004, 08:53 PM
Why wrap what you never touch? It's cheaper to buy the regular 30-packs.

Rabbit, you're a good man. With your reasoning, America would be a better place (or at least one with less SUVs). :)

Deuce
03-13-2004, 09:33 PM
I think the main reason they do this is because it takes less time to unwrap it and re-wrap a new one on a change-over.

@wright
03-13-2004, 10:11 PM
Corretja might be doing it again to cut costs, as the prize money isn't exactly rolling in these days...Oh yeah, the endorsement money, right.

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-13-2004, 11:08 PM
Good point david. It's just one-handed backhand, he's been doing it for years, it's much quciker to rap, so why change.

And ya, Moya, Robredo, and Corretja all definately use Big Banger original. They never straighten their strings even though their spin is insane, and it's got the tannish whatever color that only original has to it.

BreakPoint
03-13-2004, 11:20 PM
Forget about the Tournagrip, what's the deal with wearing the wristband all the way up near the elbow? That just looks plain strange. Almost looks like a tennis elbow band. Maybe it's to counterweigh the half overgrip? :lol:

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-14-2004, 10:08 AM
LOL Break, I think that's just more for the style. Also, why does he wear one of the left wrist when he has a 1 handed backhand?

It's all just style I think, and maybe he wears it higher up to not mess with his wrist movement if it was on top of the wrist lets say.

@wright
03-14-2004, 10:34 AM
I think Corretja wears the one near his elbow on his hitting arm so it won't interfere with the wrist at all. It really does feel more normal for me to wear a wristband above my wrist instead of right on my wrist, it just feels very different. If you wear it above the wrist, you get the benefits without being hindered or feeling different. He also may just like the way it feels up there, let's face it not everything in tennis is logical.

Ronaldo
03-14-2004, 11:56 AM
@wright, this may really sound illogical but from experience wristbands around the wrist and forearm seem to trap heat. Like a tight sweater or wrap. They keep sweat from dripping down your arm but with tournagrip or those Yonex grips, are sweatbands necessary?

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-14-2004, 02:40 PM
I'd say they are Ronaldo, because with too much sweat, the overgrip still can't absorb all of it and will take a moment or 2 to absorb it all and seem dry again. Also, with wristbands, you can use them to wipe the sweat off your face and out of your eyes much easier than going to the towel.

brijoel
03-14-2004, 03:36 PM
Just noticed that his PD+ doesn't have the writing of the stock model on the inside of the throat...

for starters i believe he uses the pure drive in standard length.
second, his racquets are completely custom. the only similarities between his racquets and the ones you can buy are the shape of the racquet the paint job(sort of), and string pattern(probably, hard to tell).
his racquets are rediculously heavy compared to an off the shelf model.

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-14-2004, 04:26 PM
brijoel, that frame sure as heck looks a lot like a PD. It's got the big fat frame, skinny throat bridge, and rounded throat. It's obviously a PD, whether it's a plus or not, or a modern version or the old 1998 or whatever is u[ for grabs. I personally think that it is a pure drive plus due to the extreme length of the grip, and it's not wrapped up very high on the throat either.

He obviously adds tons of weight on the thing, probably in the handle and under the bumper, but otherwise it's a PD I bet. Moya uses a 1998 PD with just like a pound of lead hidden under the bumper.

brijoel
03-14-2004, 05:02 PM
just because it looks similar doesnt mean it isnt a custom frame still. i also never said it was a totally different mold, so dont put words in my mouth just yet.

http://members.tripod.com/allstrungup/id77.htm
^^^
take a look at that site. you can even contact them and ask if the shape of the frame changes when they make that particular frame heavier. ill bet you a whoooole lotta money it wont change the frame shape.
whether you believe many pros can get custom MADE racquets or not is of no concern to me because it's common knowledge they get it done all the time.
in terms of length...everywhere ive looked states it is the standard length model, but once again, that is not to say he doesnt have a custom frame.
the paint job is obviously from a current model, YET AGAIN....it's just a paint job!!!

david aames
03-14-2004, 05:52 PM
for starters i believe he uses the pure drive in standard length.
second, his racquets are completely custom. the only similarities between his racquets and the ones you can buy are the shape of the racquet the paint job(sort of), and string pattern(probably, hard to tell).
his racquets are rediculously heavy compared to an off the shelf model.

The Babolat site have a list of the tour players using their frames and Corretja is listed using the PD+. And from the grip length I'd say it's a PD+

I know about custom frames and paintjobs but Babolat is usually credited for being on the conservative side of the fence on the matter.

Moya is know for playing the non woofer PD so this frame is definitely a paintjob but their other players including Roddick are supposed to use stock frames. The lead tape at 3 and 9 on Roddick's frame could be hidden by the paintshop if they wanted to enhance brand visibility for instance... and it's not.

I believe Susan, in a different thread was mentioning the fact that Nadal is now using a new Babolat model soon to be available in stores. It'd be interesting to see up close the difference with the old frame he was playing with (a PD if I remember well).

@wright
03-14-2004, 06:08 PM
David aames is right, brijoel what are you trying to prove???I think we can all agree that it started life as a PD, + or not, and it is still a PD, albeit with the balance changed and lots of lead. We can argue all day about what "custom" means. To me, starting with the stock racquet and changing weight and balance are very acceptable compared to what most of the companies are doing. The PD is hard to fake one way or the other because it is so damn wide in the hoop and so narrow at the throat. It looks like a howitzer, and you can't take a .22 and make it look like a howitzer, just like you can't take a howitzer and make it look like a .22.

ibemadskillzz
03-14-2004, 06:09 PM
Just noticed that his PD+ doesn't have the writing of the stock model on the inside of the throat...

for starters i believe he uses the pure drive in standard length.
second, his racquets are completely custom. the only similarities between his racquets and the ones you can buy are the shape of the racquet the paint job(sort of), and string pattern(probably, hard to tell).
his racquets are rediculously heavy compared to an off the shelf model.

For young beginners, Alex uses the PD+
It does have the writing inside of the throat, it's just not on both sides.

david aames
03-14-2004, 06:13 PM
It does have the writing inside of the throat, it's just not on both sides.

I have writings on both sides of the throat of my 2003 PD+ frames.

ibemadskillzz
03-14-2004, 06:16 PM
It does have the writing inside of the throat, it's just not on both sides.

I have writings on both sides of the throat of my 2003 PD+ frames.

I have 12 babolats. It's only on one side.

david aames
03-14-2004, 06:27 PM
I have 12 babolats. It's only on one side.

All PD right? The PD+ have writings on both.

Shaolin
03-14-2004, 06:59 PM
brijoel--
Corretja uses the 27.5 inch version of the PD, that is fact. I used to be sponsored by Babolat and asked the team manager at that time what Alex uses, and you can also tell its 27.5 easily just by looking at it.

brijoel
03-14-2004, 08:54 PM
guys relax, lol..... for whatever reason i looked at the picture and thought MOYA.....dont ask me why, lol. yes, corretja uses the PD+, i apologize for that part in stating it was standard. my mistake!!!

i wasnt trying to PROVE anything, i was simply stating it is not a big deal for manufacturers to simply increase weight in a racquet without changing shape. i never once said he had the width, or shape changed, you all said that yourselves.

~hands out chill pills~
;)

chad shaver
03-14-2004, 08:57 PM
Seems like a whole lotta shtuff to try to prove that point....

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-15-2004, 07:42 PM
Seriously dude "His racquet's are completely custom" is a lot different than "weight is added to change the weight and balance.

brijoel
03-15-2004, 08:38 PM
incase you didnt know stiffness can aslo be changed as well as flex in different areas, and IMO completely changing how a racquet feels is completely custom.
so if you are done barking up my a*s now..... relax man. i tried letting it go on a decent note but im sorry you have a different meaning than i did for one freakin term, sheesh.

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
03-15-2004, 08:55 PM
Didn't mean to get all over your ***, but you made all these big claims before about how his racquet is like impossible for you or I to make, then just blew it off as adding weight to change balance, which can be easily done by almost anyone.

brijoel
03-15-2004, 09:38 PM
no no.....i meant the actual manufacturer increases the mass of the actual materials used into the mold. not simply adding lead tape....