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tennis_hand
05-08-2007, 06:46 PM
There are so many hard court and clay court masters, but shouldn't there be a re-scheduling and put a Masters on grass before Wimbledon, with Wimbledon being the pinnacle of the Slams?

kingdaddy41788
05-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Anyone who says no is a clay-n@zi.

drakulie
05-08-2007, 06:51 PM
I definitely believe there should be at least one.

Hewitt Aussie
05-08-2007, 06:53 PM
i think it would be great if they made Queens a masters series. Not only is it a good place, but Hewitt actually wins at queens:)

Andres
05-08-2007, 07:08 PM
London/Queen's should be a Master Series.

J-man
05-08-2007, 07:12 PM
It would add a new demnsion to the MS.

need2paint
05-08-2007, 07:13 PM
I don't think any city that already has a major should also have a masters (Paris), so that leaves out Queen's club.

Tennis is a global sport. There should be another masters in Asia (Tokyo would be good) and at least one in Latin America.

Andres
05-08-2007, 07:15 PM
I don't think any city that already has a major should also have a masters (Paris), so that leaves out Queen's club.

Tennis is a global sport. There should be another masters in Asia (Tokyo would be good) and at least one in Latin America.
Spain has Valencia, Barcelona (one of the biggest non MS tourneys), and MS Madrid. Why can't England have a grass Master Series :D?

need2paint
05-08-2007, 07:21 PM
Spain has Valencia, Barcelona (one of the biggest non MS tourneys), and MS Madrid. Why can't England have a grass Master Series :D?
It's not about England. London already has Wimbledon, and Queen's Club is also in London. Now if you want Sheffield to be a Master's it's a different story. But I think Tennis is mishandling it's global popularity by putting all the big tournaments in N. America and Europe.

Andres
05-08-2007, 07:25 PM
What is the problem with having a Major and a Slam anyway? If Paris has them, why can't London?

Latin America doesn't have the money or the infrastructure to have a Master Series. Otherwise, they would have done it already

bluetrain4
05-08-2007, 07:30 PM
Problem is that there is no time and no venue. Unless the schedule is changed, it would have to start the Monday after the Roland Garros final, or be the week right before Wimbledon. Neither is a good option.

What facility? Needs to be up to Masters Series standards for courts, capacity, etc. I don't think Queens or Halle meet those standards.

isuk@tennis
05-08-2007, 07:33 PM
move roland garos up earlier to leave more time for grass
there is gonna be clay tournament cuts already why not move the french too

and whoever voted no is indeed a "clay n@zi"

need2paint
05-08-2007, 07:35 PM
What is the problem with having a Major and a Slam anyway? If Paris has them, why can't London?

Latin America doesn't have the money or the infrastructure to have a Master Series. Otherwise, they would have done it already

The problem is that tennis is popular everywhere, so it would be a good idea to spread things out evenly. I know Paris has a masters and a major, and I don't like that either.

Latin America certainly does have the infrastructure for a masters. If they can host an Olympics and a World Cup, they can host a masters. Are you going to tell me Asia only has one masters because they don't have the infrastructure for more?

jmsx521
05-08-2007, 08:11 PM
All of these years and I never thought of that; yes, I think they should divide their Masters' events into the different surfaces that there are. I wouldn't mind if they add another type of surface, or two. For example:Asphalt
Hard rubber surface (like the surface of the outdoor play-grounds for kids)Big glossy tiles (like the flooring in the kitchens)

Vision84
05-08-2007, 08:14 PM
They should turn Nottingham into a Masters and have it played at a different time. Henman would always play there before wimbledon instead of queens.

latinking
05-08-2007, 08:18 PM
ofcourse it should be, ridiculous that there isn't one

Hot Sauce
05-08-2007, 08:45 PM
Bring one to BC! I would be so happy!

helloworld
05-08-2007, 09:07 PM
Latin America certainly does have the infrastructure for a masters. If they can host an Olympics and a World Cup, they can host a masters. Are you going to tell me Asia only has one masters because they don't have the infrastructure for more?

I don't think there's any masters in Asia at all except the Masters Cup which China will only host for 3 years. They certainly could afford to make Masters series tournament, but I don't know why there aren't any in Asia...

z-money
05-08-2007, 09:18 PM
it is the origional surface of tennis! and the surface of the most prestigous tournament. yet no masters for it... deplorable

stormholloway
05-08-2007, 10:13 PM
The bottom line is that there is nothing special about a hard court tournament in Asia. The game was developed, and perhaps invented, in England, on grass.

First off, there need to be WAY more grass court tournaments. The only reason hard courts even exist was to bring tennis to the masses who can't afford country club dues. Since when do the professional ranks need to cut costs? Since when can the pros not afford grass courts?

It's depolorable what's happened to grass. There should be equal numbers of Masters events on all the surfaces, including grass. Instead, we have two of the few grass events occurring at the same time, which sucks.

There really is no grass season at all. This is an abomination to the sport, to players, and fans.

Nadal_Freak
05-08-2007, 10:15 PM
Yeah the ideal scheduling would be to make clay, grass, and hard court equal. To me hard courts are the least interesting of the surfaces so they should take out some of those.

helloworld
05-08-2007, 10:25 PM
grass is for cows to chew on.

need2paint
05-08-2007, 10:40 PM
The bottom line is that there is nothing special about a hard court tournament in Asia. The game was developed, and perhaps invented, in England, on grass.

First off, there need to be WAY more grass court tournaments. The only reason hard courts even exist was to bring tennis to the masses who can't afford country club dues. Since when do the professional ranks need to cut costs? Since when can the pros not afford grass courts?

It's depolorable what's happened to grass. There should be equal numbers of Masters events on all the surfaces, including grass. Instead, we have two of the few grass events occurring at the same time, which sucks.

There really is no grass season at all. This is an abomination to the sport, to players, and fans.

I agree with everything you've said, and I think a masters tournament, in Tokyo, on grass, would be a great idea.

Tennis has a lot of potential that it is wasting. People all over the world play it, yet 99% of the matches are played in Europe or the US. Formula 1 has expanded to Japan and Malaysia I think. There used to be an F1 race in Mexico City.

The two most global sports are soccer and tennis, but tennis, while holding events in many countries, continues to reserve its most prestigious events for the West. They were smart for giving Shanghai the ATP championships and they've agreed to give Shanghai a permanent masters too. But this should be only the beginning.

I look at it this way:

London, Paris, New York, and Melbourne have a giant tennis tourney every year called a major. There is a second tier of important tourneys called "masters", and these masters should be played in the great cities of the world, that do not already have a major.

So the majors would be played in places like Tokyo, Shanghai, Rome, Madrid or Barcelona, Toronto or Montreal, Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro, Monte Carlo, Munich or Berlin.

(if it were me I would get rid of the Canadian tournament, and give it to Johannesburg.)

That makes 10 Masters tournaments, plus 4 majors. A top 30 player could choose to only play those 14 tournaments all year and have nothing to complain about as far as over-scheduling.

kingdaddy41788
05-08-2007, 10:45 PM
The bottom line is that there is nothing special about a hard court tournament in Asia. The game was developed, and perhaps invented, in England, on grass.

First off, there need to be WAY more grass court tournaments. The only reason hard courts even exist was to bring tennis to the masses who can't afford country club dues. Since when do the professional ranks need to cut costs? Since when can the pros not afford grass courts?

It's depolorable what's happened to grass. There should be equal numbers of Masters events on all the surfaces, including grass. Instead, we have two of the few grass events occurring at the same time, which sucks.

There really is no grass season at all. This is an abomination to the sport, to players, and fans.

For once, stormholloway, I can agree with you.

I agree with everything you've said, and I think a masters tournament, in Tokyo, on grass, would be a great idea.

Tennis has a lot of potential that it is wasting. People all over the world play it, yet 99% of the matches are played in Europe or the US. Formula 1 has expanded to Japan and Malaysia I think. There used to be an F1 race in Mexico City.

The two most global sports are soccer and tennis, but tennis, while holding events in many countries, continues to reserve its most prestigious events for the West. They were smart for giving Shanghai the ATP championships and they've agreed to give Shanghai a permanent masters too. But this should be only the beginning.

I look at it this way:

London, Paris, New York, and Melbourne have a giant tennis tourney every year called a major. There is a second tier of important tourneys called "masters", and these masters should be played in the great cities of the world, that do not already have a major.

So the majors would be played in places like Tokyo, Shanghai, Rome, Madrid or Barcelona, Toronto or Montreal, Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro, Monte Carlo, Munich or Berlin.

That makes 10 Masters tournaments, plus 4 majors. A top 30 player could choose to only play those 14 tournaments all year and have nothing to complain about as far as over-scheduling.

Agreed.

stormholloway
05-08-2007, 10:57 PM
I agree with everything you've said, and I think a masters tournament, in Tokyo, on grass, would be a great idea.

Tennis has a lot of potential that it is wasting. People all over the world play it, yet 99% of the matches are played in Europe or the US. Formula 1 has expanded to Japan and Malaysia I think. There used to be an F1 race in Mexico City.

The two most global sports are soccer and tennis, but tennis, while holding events in many countries, continues to reserve its most prestigious events for the West. They were smart for giving Shanghai the ATP championships and they've agreed to give Shanghai a permanent masters too. But this should be only the beginning.

I look at it this way:

London, Paris, New York, and Melbourne have a giant tennis tourney every year called a major. There is a second tier of important tourneys called "masters", and these masters should be played in the great cities of the world, that do not already have a major.

So the majors would be played in places like Tokyo, Shanghai, Rome, Madrid or Barcelona, Toronto or Montreal, Los Angeles, Miami, Mexico City or Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro, Monte Carlo, Munich or Berlin.

(if it were me I would get rid of the Canadian tournament, and give it to Johannesburg.)

That makes 10 Masters tournaments, plus 4 majors. A top 30 player could choose to only play those 14 tournaments all year and have nothing to complain about as far as over-scheduling.

I never understood Cincinatti as a Masters site. That can be shipped elsewhere as far as I'm concerned (no offense to Cincy people). A grass tournament in Japan would be sweet.

I agree about Paris too. Paris already has Roland Garros. It's redundant.

I'd like to see a bigger event in Buenos Aires. That's a major tennis hub down there.

Honestly, the sport of tennis is so grossly mismanaged and misrepresented worldwide that it's a mystery that it's even as popular as it is (and it's declined severely since the 'heyday').

PrinceO3TourOS
05-09-2007, 12:13 AM
I agree with all people who voted 'yes', there must be a Grass Masters before Wimbledon to complete the grass season :D
I think all the seasons must be equal on number of tournaments, every surface must have one event of each type: Challengers, ATP's, One or Two Masters Series and One Grand Slam. We're the fans, we want a grass Masters Series!

Maybe we must write a letter to Etienne De Villiers about this, he'll understand us :lol:

kingdaddy41788
05-09-2007, 12:31 AM
I agree with all people who voted 'yes', there must be a Grass Masters before Wimbledon to complete the grass season :D
I think all the seasons must be equal on number of tournaments, every surface must have one event of each type: Challengers, ATP's, One or Two Masters Series and One Grand Slam. We're the fans, we want a grass Masters Series!

Maybe we must write a letter to Etienne De Villiers about this, he'll understand us :lol:

BAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah when pigs fly

PrinceO3TourOS
05-09-2007, 12:36 AM
BAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah when pigs fly

C'mon, let me dream! :lol: :lol: :lol:

kingdaddy41788
05-09-2007, 12:38 AM
Haha very well, dream on...

Rhino
05-09-2007, 12:43 AM
I'd rather things were just left as they are but if they must change something then having a Masters on grass would be my first choice, and I would down-grade one of the US hard court Masters to make way for it (to keep the total at 9) - probably Cincy (yes I know it makes loads of money).
Monte-Carlo should definitely stay as a Masters, it's the best setting we have on the tour.

Nadal_Freak
05-09-2007, 12:50 AM
I would make many changes. First let the Australian Open be the last tournament on hard court until after Wimbledon. From February-April is the Clay Season. May-July is the Grass season. August-October hard court season. The offseason left as a couple tournaments before the Australian Open at the normal time or maybe earlier. Maybe even have the Australian Open be green clay (faster clay).

caulcano
05-09-2007, 12:51 AM
move roland garos up earlier to leave more time for grass
there is gonna be clay tournament cuts already why not move the french too

and whoever voted no is indeed a "clay n@zi"

sounds good.

Zets147
05-09-2007, 12:54 AM
Dear Sir Etienne De Villiers,

From the very first time I saw your name, it made me giggled. (got his attention). blah blah blah Master Series on Grass blah blah blah Federer pwnz blah blah blah tournaments to close to each other blah blah blah Etienne De Villiers sounds awesome blah blah blah. Thank you very much for your time.

- TW, General Pro Player Discussion Sub Forum (<< Joke).

Silent
05-09-2007, 12:58 AM
(if it were me I would get rid of the Canadian tournament, and give it to Johannesburg.)
I agree there should be a masters on grass, but I don't think getting rid of the Canadian masters is the right solution. Last year's attendance in Montreal was 173k people, which is a world record for a one-week tournament.

thu_huong
05-09-2007, 01:09 AM
this must be a bright idea.
So few few fewwwww tournaments on grass:confused:

PrinceO3TourOS
05-09-2007, 01:17 AM
Dear Sir Etienne De Villiers....TW, General Pro Player Discussion Sub Forum (<< Joke).

That's a good start, I have send a E-Mail to ATP with our request for a Grass Masters Series :D Remember the Adidas motto: "Impossible is Nothing" ;)

Rhino
05-09-2007, 01:21 AM
I agree there should be a masters on grass, but I don't think getting rid of the Canadian masters is the right solution. Last year's attendance in Montreal was 173k people, which is a world record for a one-week tournament.
Agreed, I love the Canadian Masters. It was in Toronto last year though, I was there and it was one of the best tennis events I have been to outside the slams.
Get rid of Cincy if you have to cut a Masters. US already have IW and Miami Masters anyway.

onkystomper
05-09-2007, 01:29 AM
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.

thu_huong
05-09-2007, 01:31 AM
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.

Best idea of the day;)

kingdaddy41788
05-09-2007, 01:50 AM
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.

Seriously, I think that's the best idea we've had yet. If only the people at the ATP actually cared what fans thought and didn't think they knew what we wanted better than we do.

tenniko
05-09-2007, 01:55 AM
There are so many hard court and clay court masters, but shouldn't there be a re-scheduling and put a Masters on grass before Wimbledon, with Wimbledon being the pinnacle of the Slams?

I had this thought since forever, and finally said it somewhere here earlier yesterday.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1429536&postcount=110

Good to know that I'm not the only one :D .

thu_huong
05-09-2007, 01:55 AM
Seriously, I think that's the best idea we've had yet. If only the people at the ATP actually cared what fans thought and didn't think they knew what we wanted better than we do.

should we tell them?:-o

Rhino
05-09-2007, 02:00 AM
they should have 8 masters series and 4 slams. 2 masters series and 1 slam on each surface.

yes that is a good idea, but what do you mean 'each' surface? hardcourt already has 2 slams and 4 or 5 Masters Series events... what, are you gonna cut a slam and add a surface? A carpet slam perhaps :)

WayneCM
05-09-2007, 02:08 AM
It is madness that there is no masters series on grass, but if they were to do this they would have to downgrade another tournament, and despite there being no grass court masters i do like those currently in place and i don't think that its a priority for the atp...

jamumafa
05-09-2007, 02:21 AM
the possible schedule according to the dude that posted above me regarding the 8 MS and 4 slams. Slight change being that thee is 9 AMS with 1 leading to Shanghai. Players must play a mandatory one AMS before every slam.

This is just the masters series on the schedule - other tournaments placed inbetween on the same surface EG: Dubai, Doha, Zagreb etc. Some tournaments like indoors hard and carpet etc should be used to fill gaps so that the slams and the AMS's can be played at that countries near-optimum temperature.

A weeks break after every slam before *ANY* tournament is played, even filler tournies like Zagreb. Couldnt think of a way to seperate the AMS'.


*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*

AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)

Anyone wanna make any modifications?

Don't flame too much :P

caulcano
05-09-2007, 02:38 AM
the possible schedule according to the dude that posted above me regarding the 8 MS and 4 slams. Slight change being that thee is 9 AMS with 1 leading to Shanghai. Players must play a mandatory one AMS before every slam.

This is just the masters series on the schedule - other tournaments placed inbetween on the same surface EG: Dubai, Doha, Zagreb etc. Some tournaments like indoors hard and carpet etc should be used to fill gaps so that the slams and the AMS's can be played at that countries near-optimum temperature.

A weeks break after every slam before *ANY* tournament is played, even filler tournies like Zagreb. Couldnt think of a way to seperate the AMS'.


*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*

AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)

Anyone wanna make any modifications?

Don't flame too much :P

Looks good, but it's too radical of a change/re-arrange of tournies.

jamumafa
05-09-2007, 02:42 AM
^^

That's what I thought, but to be honest, I cant see it working any other way.

christos_liaskos
05-09-2007, 03:15 AM
It's not about England. London already has Wimbledon, and Queen's Club is also in London. Now if you want Sheffield to be a Master's it's a different story. But I think Tennis is mishandling it's global popularity by putting all the big tournaments in N. America and Europe.

Hey I'm from Sheffield. I would never have thought my little city would get mentioned on this board lol. That would be so awesome to have a masters series here haha. Not gonna happen in a million years

GOD_BLESS_RAFA
05-09-2007, 03:23 AM
I don't think any city that already has a major should also have a masters (Paris), so that leaves out Queen's club.

Tennis is a global sport. There should be another masters in Asia (Tokyo would be good) and at least one in Latin America.
Why not South Africa ? :)

GOD_BLESS_RAFA
05-09-2007, 03:35 AM
*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*


AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)

Anyone wanna make any modifications?

Don't flame too much :P

This first part of the year is hard for players moving from Miami to Sydney...

(Er... London is the best place for the MAster Cup no? The surfaces should be drawn too for the Masters Cup...so if grass is drawn for playing the final it should be on a grass court...maybe clay for the semis and so on...:))

fednad
05-09-2007, 04:04 AM
yes, there should be at least one MS on grass. High credit tournaments should be distributed as much across various surfaces as possible to make the competition more meaningful and so that players with all round abilities have more chance to gain top spots.

tenniko
05-09-2007, 04:22 AM
They should have Miami and Indian Wells clustered together with Canada and Cincinnati. That way they could have a massive North America tennis season that the media can focus on.

They should have more tournaments in South America/Australia before Australian Open (make Aussie Open play a month or so later than now), so they can have a Southern Hemisphere season.

Tennis in Europe ... well, you get the idea.

Silent
05-09-2007, 08:47 AM
Agreed, I love the Canadian Masters. It was in Toronto last year though, I was there and it was one of the best tennis events I have been to outside the slams.
Get rid of Cincy if you have to cut a Masters. US already have IW and Miami Masters anyway.
Actually they split the open in two. This year the men come to Montreal and the women go to Toronto, last year was the opposite.

stormholloway
05-09-2007, 08:58 AM
*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*

AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)

Anyone wanna make any modifications?

Don't flame too much :P

This is great. I think that Indian Wells and Miami should remain after the Aussie simply because that seems to work. Though I agree that having a buildup to the Aussie would be cool, those tourneys don't even use Rebound Ace anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a warmup.

I still think there should be one Masters in Asia, or make Shanghai the permanent home of the Masters Cup year end tournament. This would work. I'd rather see it in Tokyo, but I'm partial to Japan.

Clive Walker
05-09-2007, 08:58 AM
So, where is the place to hold this theoretical grasscourt MS?

Halle, from what I know of it, has a centre court that is little more than a hard mud.
Queens (IMO the most prestigious grasscourt event outside of AE)
Nottingham
Newport (Post wimbledon)

Queens is the only stand out one there really.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:02 AM
Okay I'll play:

*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*

AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS TOKYO
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS BUENOS AIRES or MEXICO CITY or RIO de JANEIRO
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
AMS BERLIN or MUNICH
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is)

Anyone wanna make any modifications?

Masters events should be reserved for the great cities of the world. Cincy is not one of them. The Germans need one besides Halle, and the African continent could use one as well.

stormholloway
05-09-2007, 09:04 AM
So, where is the place to hold this theoretical grasscourt MS?

Halle, from what I know of it, has a centre court that is little more than a hard mud.
Queens (IMO the most prestigious grasscourt event outside of AE)
Nottingham
Newport (Post wimbledon)

Queens is the only stand out one there really.

Has to be Queen's. People will say that London only needs one big tournament, but England is responsible for tennis' existence for the most part, and it's okay that they have two big tournaments.

Federer plays at Halle. I didn't know the court was that bad. Couldn't they just revamp the court?

Still, when you think of grass court tennis, you think of England, and you've got to have a grass court Masters tourney, hence Queen's is the option.

stormholloway
05-09-2007, 09:05 AM
Okay I'll play:

Masters events should be reserved for the great cities of the world. Cincy is not one of them. The Germans need one besides Halle, and the African continent could use one as well.

Totally agree, and I mentioned shipping the Cincy MS away in an earlier post. Cincy is not a city that people around the world know. Though neither is Indian Wells.. but IW represents SoCal tennis as a whole, which is huge.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:06 AM
They should have Miami and Indian Wells clustered together with Canada and Cincinnati. That way they could have a massive North America tennis season that the media can focus on.

They should have more tournaments in South America/Australia before Australian Open (make Aussie Open play a month or so later than now), so they can have a Southern Hemisphere season.

Tennis in Europe ... well, you get the idea.

The problem is that Indian Wells and Miami would be way too hot and humid in the summer. Cincy and Canada are too cold in February/March.

But you are right about having a Southern Hemisphere Masters before the Aussie Open. That's a great idea.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:07 AM
Why not South Africa ? :)

I already mentioned Johannesburg in an earlier post in this thread.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:09 AM
Totally agree, and I mentioned shipping the Cincy MS away in an earlier post. Cincy is not a city that people around the world know. Though neither is Indian Wells.. but IW represents SoCal tennis as a whole, which is huge.

Indian Wells is played in Palm Springs, and I suppose that represents a Los Angeles tournament.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:13 AM
I agree there should be a masters on grass, but I don't think getting rid of the Canadian masters is the right solution. Last year's attendance in Montreal was 173k people, which is a world record for a one-week tournament.
You are right. I meant to say Cincinnatti.

Hey I'm from Sheffield. I would never have thought my little city would get mentioned on this board lol. That would be so awesome to have a masters series here haha. Not gonna happen in a million years
I meant Nottingham, but I wouldn't want that either.

stormholloway
05-09-2007, 09:26 AM
Indian Wells is played in Palm Springs, and I suppose that represents a Los Angeles tournament.

Oh. I thought Indian Wells was just the name of some suburb near Palm Springs.

vive le beau jeu !
05-09-2007, 09:30 AM
Masters events should be reserved for the great cities of the world. Cincy is not one of them.
i second that.

many good ideas here... but that's obviously difficult to build a calendar ! ;)
i like the idea of having masters-series event on continent that don't have one yet (africa / asia / south america).
(oceania already has a gran slam tournament)


some ATP events were held in south africa in the past (at johannesburg, durban, sun city... including the double masters, i think) so why couldn't we have a masters-series there ?
(federer would certainly support such an idea !)

and isn't shanghai already supposed to host a masters-series event, once london will haven taken the masters cup from them ?

if there is one in south america, i think argentina would be a logical choice, as this is probably the south american country where there are the most numerous tennis fans ! but clay wouldn't probably make it easy to fit into the schedule... so another surface, maybe ?

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:39 AM
Oh. I thought Indian Wells was just the name of some suburb near Palm Springs.

If driving from L.A., Indian Wells is about 5 minutes or less past Palm Springs. We consider it the same place, as I don't think anyone really lives in Indian Wells. It's all tennis courts, pools, and golf courses.


http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=Indian+wells&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&om=0&ll=33.770015,-116.422119&spn=0.145266,0.233459&z=12&iwloc=addr

Notice how it's one country club after another.

need2paint
05-09-2007, 09:43 AM
i second that.

many good ideas here... but that's obviously difficult to build a calendar ! ;)
i like the idea of having masters-series event on continent that don't have one yet (africa / asia / south america).
(oceania already has a gran slam tournament)


some ATP events were held in south africa in the past (at johannesburg, durban, sun city... including the double masters, i think) so why couldn't we have a masters-series there ?
(federer would certainly support such an idea !)

and isn't shanghai already supposed to host a masters-series event, once london will haven taken the masters cup from them ?

if there is one in south america, i think argentina would be a logical choice, as this is probably the south american country where there are the most numerous tennis fans ! but clay wouldn't probably make it easy to fit into the schedule... so another surface, maybe ?


Argentina has the best tennis players, but not necessarily the most fans. Latin America as a whole is into tennis, especially middle-to-upper class people. In fact, the Buenos Aires tournament is currently sponsored by a Mexican company.

vive le beau jeu !
05-09-2007, 09:57 AM
Argentina has the best tennis players, but not necessarily the most fans. Latin America as a whole is into tennis, especially middle-to-upper class people. In fact, the Buenos Aires tournament is currently sponsored by a Mexican company.
ummm but on fox LA, for instance, aren't the reporters most of the times from argentina ?... (andres, diegaaa, oscar ?... please enlight me !)
and on youtube, i often fall on tennis videos from what seems to be an argtentinian tennis TV magazine......
i know this is just my subjective perception but i thought tennis was more popular there than in the other LA countries (maybe with the exception of chile ?)

maybe we can simply look at the number of courts in these countries ?... ;)

EDIT
interesting study about tennis in LA, but it's from 1999-2000 :
http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata135.htm
argentina indeed doesn't seem to really lead the others... but chile and peru data are only for the capital towns !

TheNatural
05-09-2007, 10:03 AM
A grass masters would be good, then mabe more players will have more of an incentive to learn to volley.

And since Sydney is one of the great cities, they could swap the scheduling of the Sydney and Adelaide tournaments (make SYdney before Adelaide), and make Sydney a MAsters. Thats would be a good build up the the Australian Open, and have Adelaide one week before the Australian Open like Sydney is now.

jamumafa
05-09-2007, 02:54 PM
Thanks everyone for feedback on my tennis calendar thingy. Much appriciated

soyizgood
05-09-2007, 03:03 PM
I was the 100th voter. =)

PrinceO3TourOS
05-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Thanks everyone for feedback on my tennis calendar thingy. Much appriciated

Your ATP Calendar is ideal, good work :D

gugarafa
05-09-2007, 11:35 PM
It's sad that the most prestigious surface does not have a masters series tournament as an opener to its season.the only way i would vouch for the downgrading of montecarlo is if there was upgrading of nottingham or Queens.

But although the facilities and time factor arguments against this are valid they are inexcusable.These are issues that can be sorted out by th ATP and tournament organisers.

theballboy
05-10-2007, 04:49 AM
I'm pretty sure that most tennis clubs got rid of lawn courts because of cost. You forget, the courts would be open for months, not just a week, and that costs a lot to maintain. Sure a major tournament COULD afford it, but why spend extra money when you can be cheap? After all, it's all about money to the ATP.

DueSouth
05-10-2007, 04:56 AM
I think it would be a good idea because currently there are 3 clay and 6 h/c(4 outdoor,2 indoor).

bluetrain4
05-10-2007, 07:39 AM
1 slam each surface, 2 masters each surface. Sounds great, but is anyone thinking of the logistical nightmare that is involved in majorly overhauling the schedule? The tour is slave to the money game like any other business. It's why for the near future Cincinatti will not be demoted.

I know, this is the sort of beauracratic response you'd expect from de Villers, but at some point reality has to set in.

At best you could open up another week between the French and Wimbledon, so the gap would be three weeks. The second week could be the Grass court masters at Queens or Halle or some other reconfigured venue.

It would be perfect if the AO was the climax to the first hardcourt season, after Indian Wells and after Miami. But, the AO thrives because it is in the middle the Australian summer. Sure, it would still be popular, but we can't just assume it would be as successful.

Everyone is obsessed with surface parity now that all the Slams or on distinct surfaces. But, this is a fairly new development. There were years when 3 of 4 majors were played on grass, and years when 2 of 4 majors were played on clay. For a long time, 2 of 4 majors were played on grass, until the AO switched.

I realize that to some it is a fairness issue. Why should grass court players not have as many opportunities? But, unequal scheduling has been a part of the tour for a long time. I don't want to sound defeated, as I think some schedule changes could and should be done. But, I major overhaul would almost impossible.

bluetrain4
05-10-2007, 07:41 AM
sorry for the typos

jamumafa
05-11-2007, 04:38 PM
One poster suggested have a major USO series. which would make the calendar look like this:



*Start of year*
*Filler tournies such as Doha, Dubai*
People wanted to see a Masters series in Asia, so assuming the Masters Cup gets moved soon, AMS Shanghai? It's closer to Aussie Open than Miami right?
Aussie Open
*break - with filler clay tournies such as Stuttgart and Barcelona*

AMS Monte Carlo
AMS Rome
[Roland Garros
*break with filler tournies such as Nottingham and that American grass tourney*

AMS Queens
AMS Halle
Wimbledon
*break with filler hard court tournies like Washington etc*

AMS Canada
AMS Cincy
AMS Indian Wells
AMS Miami
US Open

*break, indoor fillers like Zagreb and Rotterdam*
AMS Madrid
*break*
Shanghai (or wherever the hell the Masters Cup is) (Shanghai can also be used as a Aussie Open warm up if th MC moves locations?0


Sorry to bug you guys with this - I'm just kinda interested in how the "ideal" calendar would look

oliver8
05-12-2007, 10:44 AM
London/Queen's should be a Master Series.


I agree completly.

brayman9
05-12-2007, 07:57 PM
MS on grass maybe two no questions asked and i'm good.