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rooski
05-10-2007, 06:17 PM
Found this on "the tube". A young Federer with his old 6085 playing a really solid Kafelnikov in Stuttgart in 2000. I think I forgot how good Kafelnikov could play. Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqE8qD4eNWY

edmondsm
05-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Awesome vid. Was that really Stuttgard? It's a clay tourney now isn't it? That sounded like it was indoors. I know it used to be a masters event, so did it move outdoors when it was demoted?

Sorry, relative newby to tennis here.

Hondasteve
05-10-2007, 06:32 PM
Ha! He kicked his racquet in a tantrum. How un-Fed-like. :-( He was being way aggressive and coming to net on everything. It is also interesting to see how he has honed his playing style from back then.

armand
05-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Nice find, thanks.

Federer BH looks better than in current form; he closes his body more. Some of those dtl bhs were sweet.
One thing he doesn't seem to have in this clip is that amazing crosscourt FH he is known for.

I wonder which version of the 85 he's got and what strings he used in them.

serveitup911
05-10-2007, 06:56 PM
Wow. I had forgotten what an amazing backhand Kafelnikov had. It was very consistent, powerful, and accurate. That shot won him the match.

jmsx521
05-10-2007, 07:20 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1028/kafelnikovao3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pj80
05-10-2007, 07:54 PM
kafelnikov would beat him in golf, poker...and vodka drinking for sure

armand
05-10-2007, 08:04 PM
He looks like he's wearing a fat suit! His head/face is still slim.

jmsx521
05-10-2007, 08:50 PM
Armand, I think you're right. Maybe he is wearing one and that's his way of turning-off the Russian paparazzi from taking pictures of him... he presents himself like very average person, so that he doesn't bring interest and stays-away from the Russian celebrity spotlight.

Ted Ghost Shackley
05-11-2007, 02:58 AM
Kafelnikov had such a smooth and balanced all-court game. As with Medvedev, there were no wasted motions in his forehand or backhand. Medvedev and YK had such clean games; I loved to watch them play. Ana Kournikova and Elena Likhovtseva also had that beautiful, smooth, clean all-court Russian game.

The beauty of this style may have been linked to its downfall; no jarring movements and clean hitting, but a lack of explosive kinetic action. This was particularly evident on the serves. Nevertheless, I will always admire the aesthetics of the Russian game of the nineties. Casual players looking to hit a clean ball and avoid injury might take note of their games.

rooski
05-11-2007, 06:09 AM
It was great seeing the evolution of Federer from these early days to where he is now. However, the thing that was most amazing in that video was to see how surgically precise and clean Kafelnikov was. He was jerking Federer all over the place (and vice versa). Kafelnikov may be a fat golfer now but that man could play tennis in his day.

JediMindTrick
05-11-2007, 07:48 AM
You guys do realize that Federer was playing better back then than he is playing today, don't you?

fastdunn
05-11-2007, 09:54 AM
Whenever I watch videos of young Federer, I also notice the footwork.

Now Federer is a bit quicker, smoother. Also notice how stiff leg Fed had
in serving.

He wasn't particulary quick around the court.

dirkgnuf
05-11-2007, 12:28 PM
He probably grew a bit more that year(2000-2001), which is why at his current physical state, he's able to cover the court much better than when he first started.

tHotGates
05-11-2007, 12:51 PM
At first I thought that photo of YK was a fark..... good heavens, he really let himself go.

Mark Vessels
05-11-2007, 01:59 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1028/kafelnikovao3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Adobe Photoshop?

ubel
05-11-2007, 03:06 PM
You guys do realize that Federer was playing better back then than he is playing today, don't you?
That's gotta be the most absurd comment I've ever read in my life LOL. Are you basing this off the point where he had that midcourt floater and an entire half of the court open which he hit right back to Kafelnikov, who then proceeded to pass him? Maybe you're basing this off some of those important points he lost, which nowadays he mostly wins? Passing shot didn't look nearly as nice as today's. He looked much less composed, experienced, and skilled to me in this video than he does today. The game he plays in that video is not nearly as matured or as good as his game is today. :p

tricky
05-11-2007, 03:35 PM
He probably grew a bit more that year(2000-2001), which is why at his current physical state, he's able to cover the court much better than when he first started.

Yeah, he looks noticeable shorter there than in 2001. Maybe 5"10 or so?

Yeah, back then, his mentality was either hitting flat down-the-middle shots or sharply angled "wiper" shots. Pretty dang impressive even then the angles he could make up and the raw power of his normal game, and in that sense, he actually played like how Gasquet still does.

He wasn't particulary quick around the court.

His footwork wasn't great. He didn't stay low to the ground. Most of his shots were created from the whippy action on his FH. Though it's always interesting how much he went to the net, how much then he truly believed in a true attacking, all-court style.

That's my favorite thing to point out about Federer. The dude worked at his footwork, movement, court anticipation, and point construction -- all which flow into each other -- until he was among the very best movers in the game. You can even fast-forward to 2003, and still see that his positioning was not as low to the ground and precise as it was in his 3-year domination span.

soki
05-11-2007, 03:45 PM
Adobe Photoshop?

nope, someone posted a video of marat safin vs. roddick in a davis cup match, maybe 1-2 years ago, on clay, and the camera cut to kafelnikov who was watching in the stands, and that's what he looks like now :o)

jmsx521
05-11-2007, 04:45 PM
nope, someone posted a video of marat safin vs. roddick in a davis cup match, maybe 1-2 years ago, on clay, and the camera cut to kafelnikov who was watching in the stands, and that's what he looks like now :o)... In that case, Shake, Avid, or AfterEffects can also do the same job, but of course I am sure that he modified himself, it's not CG!

Ted Ghost Shackley
05-13-2007, 03:06 AM
Kafelnikov put on a lot of weight after retiring; no need to photoshop. If you are a professional athlete and suddenly devote your time to card playing and drinking in casinos, your body..uhmmm...adjusts to your new lifestyle. I hope Safin circa 2008 is not borrowing Kafelnikov's golf clothes from that picture as Yevgeny has outgrown them and Marat is finding the fit perfect.

Buuurnz
05-14-2007, 05:57 AM
kafelnikov is good at poker hahaha