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iplaybetter
05-18-2007, 07:39 PM
How hard is it to become a top 250 in the country for boys 14's is it winning states, how hard is it, and what would form a benchmark, as in competition performance.

Sakumo
05-18-2007, 09:51 PM
I'd say get into the top 5 in your section or 10 depending on your section, and that would be a good benchmark. As for level of play, 14's at national level is about a 5.0 the best 14 in the nation, Emmit I think is his name, is about a lower 6.0 player.

zcj41
05-19-2007, 04:02 AM
God, stop using NTRP ratings for juniors already. All you have to do is play a lot of national tournaments and you'll get top 250, it's really not too difficult if you have the time and money to travel.

iplaybetter
05-19-2007, 04:54 AM
if i don't do i just play every tournament i can.

NebAce1
05-19-2007, 07:58 AM
God, stop using NTRP ratings for juniors already. All you have to do is play a lot of national tournaments and you'll get top 250, it's really not too difficult if you have the time and money to travel.

Yea exactly I know a lot of kids that aren't very good, but just have enough money to travel around the country playing in little national events that get you a lot of points.

mJeez4293
05-19-2007, 08:39 AM
lv 3's especially are jokes...

Sakumo
05-19-2007, 09:56 AM
God, stop using NTRP ratings for juniors already. All you have to do is play a lot of national tournaments and you'll get top 250, it's really not too difficult if you have the time and money to travel.

Nope, National tourneys only give you points if you win rounds. You can go to them and loose first round then loose consolations, and get no points. Eventually you might get lucky and play a sucky kid in the backdraw and get 5 points. That is enough to get you into the top 1000 in the nation.

iplaybetter
05-19-2007, 10:03 AM
how much to do local tourneys give

Matt_MS
05-19-2007, 10:36 AM
To your national ranking? Nothing, but play them to get your state ranking up so you can get into your division tournaments (southers, easterns, whatever) and then play nationals.

mJeez4293
05-19-2007, 11:14 AM
actually sectional lv 3,4,5's give national points

Sakumo
05-19-2007, 12:13 PM
actually sectional lv 3,4,5's give national points

And endorsements. Most levels don't from when I was playing USTA. Look for endorsements and they should say in the info if you can get nat points.

I was back in town a little bit ago for a while, and I played a dual level 5 just because I hadn't played USTA a tourney in a while and some of my buds were playing it, and I don't think it counted toward national points.

cereal
05-19-2007, 08:06 PM
[/QUOTE]Nope, National tourneys only give you points if you win rounds. You can go to them and loose first round then loose cancellations, and get no points. Eventually you might get lucky and play a sucky kid in the backdraw and get 5 points. That is enough to get you into the top 1000 in the nation.[/QUOTE]





sorry had to point this out its not cancellations its is consolation

Matt_MS
05-19-2007, 08:53 PM
Oh yeah forgot about high level sectionals, my bad.

Sakumo
05-19-2007, 11:57 PM
sorry I was using spellcheck and rushing.

vamosrafa15
05-20-2007, 04:10 AM
I'd say get into the top 5 in your section or 10 depending on your section, and that would be a good benchmark. As for level of play, 14's at national level is about a 5.0 the best 14 in the nation, Emmit I think is his name, is about a lower 6.0 player.

its denis kudla and junior ore are 1 and 2 and they are much better than 4.0

Sakumo
05-20-2007, 09:03 AM
its denis kudla and junior ore are 1 and 2 and they are much better than 4.0

Obviously, I didn't say they were. Most top players in the nation are better then 5.0

rbowser
05-22-2007, 02:38 PM
Wow. Top 14 year olds are 5.0? That's a lot better than most people I play. I'm planning on trying to enter a local, and I know setting a huge goals like nationals isn't the best, so I'll shoot for locals, then state. One question: If someone asked to play you on a certain time (random) while you were on the court, would you do it?

Alex132
05-22-2007, 07:36 PM
How hard is it to become a top 250 in the country for boys 14's is it winning states, how hard is it, and what would form a benchmark, as in competition performance.

well...i imagine its pretty hard. We got guy in south dakota whos like 14 and he is #1 in state for high schools. freaking ripping every1s butt :\

yeah im sure they 5.0s....at least. There some real gud players i seen that are pretty young

cereal
05-22-2007, 07:48 PM
due to my recent raging good play at Nationals I have/will move into the top 50 in the nation!! excited

and you can be number one or number one million in the nation it takes solid hard work.

Matt_MS
05-22-2007, 07:51 PM
cereal whats your name

NebAce1
05-23-2007, 12:25 PM
Sakumo are you playing the grade A event in Italy.

NebAce1
05-23-2007, 06:25 PM
Mjeez hows Noah Bragg? I may play him this weekend.

mJeez4293
05-23-2007, 07:06 PM
hes alright... big flat game, flat as possible. and hit or miss style.

cereal
05-23-2007, 07:24 PM
damn sakumo plays Grade a? and Matt MS I dont wanna give out my name if you really want to know p.m. me

Matt_MS
05-23-2007, 07:34 PM
i dont know how

email me its dobelm@gosaints.org

Sakumo
05-25-2007, 09:29 PM
Sakumo are you playing the grade A event in Italy.

Possibly, I don't like giving out hints to who I am ;).

cereal
05-26-2007, 08:16 AM
hey sakumo, since you play ITF,
I am a Boy's 16's ranked like 11-25(no exact numbers that gives my identity away) I played the Spring Circuit itf's in Texas this year and all I'm saying is I got past the first three rounds in 18 singles(once again cannot give out revealing facts, academy rules) is it maybe a good idea for me to play the futures in here in the states if all expenses are paid for just to see how I do or will it be a complete waste of time because I know those guys are good.

thanks
seer E el

Sakumo
05-26-2007, 07:31 PM
hey sakumo, since you play ITF,
I am a Boy's 16's ranked like 11-25(no exact numbers that gives my identity away) I played the Spring Circuit itf's in Texas this year and all I'm saying is I got past the first three rounds in 18 singles(once again cannot give out revealing facts, academy rules) is it maybe a good idea for me to play the futures in here in the states if all expenses are paid for just to see how I do or will it be a complete waste of time because I know those guys are good.

thanks
seer E el

It sure wouldn't be a waste of time. Anytime you are playing against people who will own you is a great learning experience and it doesn't kill your confidence if you lose, plus if you win, you get a huge confidence boost. I doubt you will get any pts, but yea I would try. I love playing qualies for like IW and Sony Erickson because it's great competition, and you could make the main draw. So for sure if it is payed for, go for it.

zcj41
05-26-2007, 08:03 PM
hey sakumo, since you play ITF,
I am a Boy's 16's ranked like 11-25(no exact numbers that gives my identity away) I played the Spring Circuit itf's in Texas this year and all I'm saying is I got past the first three rounds in 18 singles(once again cannot give out revealing facts, academy rules) is it maybe a good idea for me to play the futures in here in the states if all expenses are paid for just to see how I do or will it be a complete waste of time because I know those guys are good.

thanks
seer E el

Paid for? Go for it, you'll have some tough matches, but it's an excellent experience to really see what you're up against in the future. (no pun intended)

Tough match against Harrison in Spring, by the way, I remember seeing part of it.

NebAce1
05-30-2007, 11:49 AM
Cereal you played Harrison? Ryan or Christian? What was the score if you don't mind me asking?

zcj41
05-30-2007, 02:20 PM
Cereal you played Harrison? Ryan or Christian? What was the score if you don't mind me asking?

He went 3 and 3 with Ryan Harrison I believe.

BigBUBBA
05-30-2007, 02:28 PM
Yeah. I looked it up yesterday. I think it was Ryan Harrison

NebAce1
05-30-2007, 02:30 PM
How'd you look it up if you don't know his name?

BigBUBBA
05-30-2007, 02:31 PM
I tried them both
And I found out Cereal's name with the hints he gave me.

NebAce1
05-30-2007, 03:04 PM
Big Bubba where do you live?

BigBUBBA
05-30-2007, 03:08 PM
Ask ZCJ41 if you really wanna know..not in the us. Thats all I can tell you. But I have lived in Cincinatti. Where I learned English. And I lived in Bangalore, but that has nothing to do with this.

NebAce1
05-30-2007, 03:10 PM
wow all around the world I see. That's pretty cool.

Oh and Zcj do you have AIM or something like that I have some questions.

BigBUBBA
05-30-2007, 03:33 PM
He has an email....ask him for it

Yeah, it is pretty cool. Bangalore was scary, though

jasoncho92
05-30-2007, 03:42 PM
I'd say get into the top 5 in your section or 10 depending on your section, and that would be a good benchmark. As for level of play, 14's at national level is about a 5.0 the best 14 in the nation, Emmit I think is his name, is about a lower 6.0 player.
The guy i get lessons from is Emmet's serve coach lol

Sakumo
05-30-2007, 04:33 PM
The guy i get lessons from is Emmet's serve coach lol

His serve is gross IMO, no offense to your coach. It looks like a sloppy version on Roddicks, but it gets the job done.

D Wilson
06-01-2007, 01:02 AM
The guy i get lessons from is Emmet's serve coach lol

Yeah I played Emmett (That is how you spell it!) recently. He has gotten A LOT better since January! He plays so much different now!

mJeez4293
06-01-2007, 08:18 AM
so your sure he doesnt push anymore?

Sakumo
06-01-2007, 02:38 PM
so your sure he doesnt push anymore?

Not sure he ever pushed...

mJeez4293
06-01-2007, 02:47 PM
yeah im pretty sure he did... played at many tournaments with him and next to him. maybe not exactly pushed but just a steady game, not that theres anything wrong with that

mJeez4293
06-01-2007, 02:48 PM
and ps he does go to net a bit doesnt he?

Sakumo
06-01-2007, 04:33 PM
and ps he does go to net a bit doesnt he?

Yeah, last time I played with him he hot fairly hard for 8th grade and S&Ved a lot

cereal
06-02-2007, 07:09 AM
hey sakumo you play junior itf's? lol I thought the whole time you played Men's circuit...so you playing grasscourt championships-usa? maybe we can meet or something at a tourney

Sakumo
06-02-2007, 08:20 AM
hey sakumo you play junior itf's? lol I thought the whole time you played Men's circuit...so you playing grasscourt championships-usa? maybe we can meet or something at a tourney

Yea, I mostly play juniors ITF, but I play challengers and futures also. I've been in the main draw of a ATP tourney too. So I have pts in ATP, just don't want to commit yet, you know.

cereal
06-02-2007, 10:30 AM
yeah so like if Im top 300 ITF juniors is it a good Idea for me to try the futures and challengers?

cereal
06-02-2007, 10:35 AM
cause I've hit yesterday with Michael McClune ..he is very consistent and solid like every single shot and I know he won some futures events previously you ever hit with him? man he's pretty good.

Sakumo
06-02-2007, 12:21 PM
yeah so like if Im top 300 ITF juniors is it a good Idea for me to try the futures and challengers?

No, top 50 or 20 then you should start.

Fedace
06-02-2007, 12:23 PM
How hard is it to become a top 250 in the country for boys 14's is it winning states, how hard is it, and what would form a benchmark, as in competition performance.

It can't be that hard, i beat a kid ranked #:D 103 in the state during one of our high school meets.

Sakumo
06-02-2007, 12:27 PM
cause I've hit yesterday with Michael McClune ..he is very consistent and solid like every single shot and I know he won some futures events previously you ever hit with him? man he's pretty good.

Okay so here this about it like this: If you can get more then 2 games on him, then yea go for it. But chances of him beating me aren't too high, and I play challenger. IMO it's just not worth the grind yet for you. I started and now I wish I hadn't so young.

cereal
06-03-2007, 04:14 PM
Okay so here this about it like this: If you can get more then 2 games on him, then yea go for it. But chances of him beating me aren't too high, and I play challenger. IMO it's just not worth the grind yet for you. I started and now I wish I hadn't so young.


thanks great advice!

Im not being sarcastic

Sakumo
06-03-2007, 08:22 PM
thanks great advice!

Im not being sarcastic

Sure no prob. It's just really hard on the body as well as the mind. I've broke down before, and I'm not even on the pro tour yet.

NebAce1
06-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Hey Zcj do you think it's worth it to go to an academy like Bolitierri in the summer for only around two weeks? Becuase I'm thinking about, I just want to know what you think since you go there.

BigBUBBA
06-04-2007, 06:04 PM
ZC is im salvador currently

jasoncho92
06-10-2007, 06:10 PM
His serve is gross IMO, no offense to your coach. It looks like a sloppy version on Roddicks, but it gets the job done.
Sorry to bring a dead thread back D:. But theres no offense taken but i watched a video of emmett serving and it didnt look like roddicks at all lol

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/future_stars/easter_bowl/2007/14s/easter_2007_14s_public.html?Emmett_large.mov

Sakumo
06-10-2007, 07:07 PM
Sorry to bring a dead thread back D:. But theres no offense taken but i watched a video of emmett serving and it didnt look like roddicks at all lol

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/future_stars/easter_bowl/2007/14s/easter_2007_14s_public.html?Emmett_large.mov

You need to see him bounce the ball before that and the way he moves his feet into position, then brings it up, looks just like Roddick.

Sakumo
06-10-2007, 07:11 PM
lol http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/future_stars/easter_bowl/2007/18s/easter_2007_18s_public.html?EasterBowl.B18.RhyneWi lliams-001-01.mov

NebAce1
06-11-2007, 11:43 AM
lol http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/future_stars/easter_bowl/2007/18s/easter_2007_18s_public.html?EasterBowl.B18.RhyneWi lliams-001-01.mov

Is that you?

NebAce1
06-11-2007, 11:44 AM
Sorry to bring a dead thread back D:. But theres no offense taken but i watched a video of emmett serving and it didnt look like roddicks at all lol

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/future_stars/easter_bowl/2007/14s/easter_2007_14s_public.html?Emmett_large.mov

Christian Harrison's got a nice forehand.

300Gkid
06-12-2007, 07:19 AM
if that is Sakumo i have to say that was my guess from the beginning

Sakumo
06-12-2007, 01:51 PM
if that is Sakumo i have to say that was my guess from the beginning

liar ;) ..

NebAce1
06-12-2007, 01:58 PM
liar ;) ..

So that is you.

NebAce1
06-14-2007, 05:04 PM
Sakumo, I thought you said that you used a K90?

babolat15
06-16-2007, 06:13 PM
Sakumo do you know Ryan Lipman

Sakumo
06-17-2007, 07:58 PM
Sakumo, I thought you said that you used a K90?

I did, I was playing with one for a while because I liked them and thought to switch. Still might, dunno.