View Full Version : Is it the stringers fault?
09-24-2004, 08:17 PM
So, I finally got some natural gut (klip 16) in my frame for the first time today and was eager to try it out. So I called up a friend and about 10 minutes into the hitting session, my gut breaks. I was really ****ed since I was really enjoying the feel and power. When my friend's mom took a look at my racket (she's a local junior high tennis coach), she told me that it has to be the stringers fault. I'm not a frequent string breaker at all. The string seems to have broken inside the bottom grommet or really close at the #5 and #6 mains from the right. I'm using a LM prestige MP. I wasn't hitting very hard at all, and it was at 57 lbs on the mains with Ashaway Monogut 17 at 59. Later, I left my racket laying on the bed and I come back to see that the gut broke again the #5 and #6 mains from the left on the top.
I'm asking if I have a good reason to go back to my stringer and demand compensation. I'm sure that it's not my fault for breaking it this early.
09-24-2004, 09:55 PM
My answer to that is that you need new grommets or maybe your stringer forgot to put tubing at the 5th and 6th mains from the right.
09-24-2004, 10:18 PM
I doubt I need new grommets. I got racket 5 months ago and I'm very goo in taking care of them. I've only had it restrung twice since I got it.
09-24-2004, 11:15 PM
I wouldn't demand anything. If he is a reputable stringer he will gladly re-do the string job or give you your money back. If not then consider it a lesson learned. If you demand anything from him, it might put him on the defensive and he would probably be less likely to do anything.
09-25-2004, 06:18 AM
It's none of hte above. THis is actually quite a frequent problem with Klip natural gut. I had a similar experience in my own frame not too long ago. Never even hit the bast$#d thing, and it just went, in a brand new frame. Natural gut is truely the most efffected string to the elements. During the summer it's killer. I had a few of my demos strung with gut hybrids, and all have since snapped sitting around. Some with VS, Pacific and Klip. All the same. That being said, Klip is the worst on thi front. We had problems with a few sets of their Legend at the US Open with a certain player and it even confused/confounded the Klip distributor in the US as to why these sets were breaking. So I'd lay off the stringer in this case, especially if in the past you've not had any problems with him or her and thier work. It is what it is. And not to mention, who knows the conditions you were keeping your frames in. You could have left them in a car, could have been in a house with high humidity. WAY too many factors.
09-25-2004, 09:31 AM
I think part of the problem is now sorta a coverup because most natural guts are now being "weather proofed" which means they have a thin layer over the stranded guts which protects it from its worst enemy, humidity (water). I think that more of the 2nds or imperfect guts are now getting "coverup" thus making them hard to quality control so ending up strungup in your racket as 1sts. I also suspect with the popularity of poly strings that more natural is not selling and thus you are getting older natural sets. I also think that natural does not really like to sharing the stringbed with polies, ie blends or hybrids. The good side of all of this is the decrease of price for natural gut. Im seeing lots geting wholesaled including babolats :wink:
09-25-2004, 09:56 AM
thats alot of strings to break. assuming you took reasonable care of the racquet, i would just tell the stringer what happened and see how he/she responds..he may come up w. something even more than you exepcted. maybe klip had a defective run of the gut. maybe the stringer didnt know what he/she was doing. who knows..none of us are there to examine your frame. are the breaks clean breaks? many stringers make no guarantee w. gutjobs, but this seems a bit extreme. thats an interesting point joe sch makes about many gut strings being more heavily coated.
09-25-2004, 10:17 AM
the breaks looked pretty clean when they broke, but have sinced frayed a bit. I'm planning on going back to my stringer today or perhaps tommorrow if the weather is better.
09-25-2004, 01:22 PM
I don't know. I've strung a pile of gut for pros. I think Tom's got this more than right. I seen this problem quite a bit with Klip.
VS has the least problems, then Wilson(ranks with VS), Pacific (If you can consistently get it in the States...distribution s*cks),BDE, BOW, then Klip.
This is a personal experience...
09-25-2004, 01:50 PM
Another big factor with natural gut breaking is the tension since higher tensions have a much better chance of breaking during the stringing process or soon afterward.
09-25-2004, 02:21 PM
Very true, all of the above. IMO, it is more likely the stringer's fault than Klip's. I strung a set of Klip Lightning in my BaboPC at 64 without any problems. It really depends on the stringer.
Because of this, I have taken to stringing my own rackets, just so i know its not some kid doing it as fast as he can to buy a new bike. If you ever are to take a set of Natural into a proshop to get it strung, find out some background information FIRST.
Here are some things you should ask the stringer:
Are they certified?
Do they charge extra for Gut jobs?
How experienced is the stringer with Gut strings?
Are their string jobs guaranteed?
All of these are important, but especially #3. For those of you who don't know, it is 90% likely that a kink in natural gut will ruin the set. If the stringer isnt careful, one tiny slipup just cost him and you $20+ in strings. If they are certified, it doesn't necessarily mean they know everything and will provide a perfect job every time.
09-25-2004, 04:11 PM
another question: How much feet of string do the mains take on a LM prestige MP? I'm asking because before my stringer strung my frame up, he said he would just cut the string set in half. When I picked it up, he said that there isn't enough for another job. What gives?
09-25-2004, 04:42 PM
Graham, I hate to say, but you in this case are most likely wrong. I've lost count of how many sets of Klip I've strung, and how many have snapped as tension was being pulled. No kinks nothing. Now again, I've lost count of how many times I have by accident kinked some VS(usually after it's been burned and not been stretched) and had no problems what so ever. When you string as many racquets as I do a year, you see the best and the worst. Klip unfortunately, the quality can be spotty. WHen you can get it in, god dang is it good stuff. One of my fav guts out there, only probem is, it is fragile. No matter how well you take care of it.
Now for the second half of the question, cutting Klip Legend sets in half should give you plenty for two string jobs. I know, because it's what I did for Paul Hanley's frames which are Topspin knock offs of the Head 630 line. And yes, even with his frames, the gut actually has broken, it just is what it is. Last year, in 2003, the amount of Klip I had come in and just snap like mad was unreal. This year, it took about 4 or so sets to finally get one in a racquet for Glenn Weiner. He was cool about it, as was the distributor here in the US, but we tried everything. Thought of everything, and in the end, it was just chance...
09-25-2004, 04:55 PM
i found the klip legend was shorted lengthwise the couple times i tried it this year. was hybrid stringing something w. 18mains but not the lm prestige mp on my cheesy drop weight stringer and had to rig an extension piece to pull the last main on each side w. a set i cut precisely in half. i have to do that w. bow brand in a 18mains mp frame so perhaps the klip was more like 37.5 feet and not 40 because thats what the bow brand is. i dont have a prob w. the bow gut ever and it doesnt have the heavy coating on it and feels more like the gut of old and its cheap for gut..maybe take the bow out for a spin but keep in mind it's guage is thinner than its rating.
09-25-2004, 07:35 PM
The klip comes in 40 feet and I'm going to be even more mad if I find out he measured it wrong. He told me that I would be short about 4 inches, but it just doesn't seem logical. Someone please tell me that you have used klip gut in the mains and had enough for 2 jobs.
09-25-2004, 07:52 PM
I just had stated I had done that. Paul Hanley, an Australian doubles specialist playing with a Topspin 630 frame, which is a Head knocoff, with the 18 x 20 patter, at a low 24/23 kilos. There was plenty left over for a second frame. I've also just cut in half for a Wilson Sledge Hammer 3.8 Power Holes 112, which states I think 21" for the mains and had enough left over for a second set. I find that Klip, Bow and Pacific can sometimes shot each coil. As long as you have 39', you can cut it in half and get two stringings from it on the mains. I've strung and forced others to string a Head Radical Tour 630 with only 33'5" of string and it does work....
09-25-2004, 07:52 PM
[quote="thomas martinez"]Graham, I hate to say, but you in this case are most likely wrong. I've lost count of how many sets of Klip I've strung, and how many have snapped as tension was being pulled. No kinks nothing.quote]
I dunno man, I'm just basing it off of my experience with it. Granted, I didn't string the whole job, only the mains were gut. Perhaps I got a lucky set? I don't really know, and will not be knowing anytime soon, as this topic has made me [more] aware to Klip's shoddieness.
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