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psamp14
05-29-2007, 11:40 PM
check it out for yourselves......


http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AsjsMiAOI1fBrhFt4dxAlNkpv7YF?slug=reu-australiasurface&prov=reuters&type=lgns

bluetrain4
05-29-2007, 11:53 PM
I'm glad it's going to be faster. Beyond the heat retention, the Rebound Ace had a nasty habit of causing twisted ankles and worse injuries.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-29-2007, 11:55 PM
yeah, i have played on rebound ace in the philippines and in indonesia, they are kinda gluey when hot.

BigServer1
05-30-2007, 01:14 AM
So it will be the US Open...While I agree from an injury standpoint, I think it's sad that the surfaces continue to become more and more similar.

Nadal_Freak
05-30-2007, 01:21 AM
They should switch to green clay. That would be awesome.

BigServer1
05-30-2007, 01:44 AM
They should switch to green clay. That would be awesome.

That is not a bad idea...Green clay is faster than the Red clay, but slower than a traditional HC, and easier on the body than the old, sticky AO surface. The only issue is the fact that Green clay is so damn ugly...They would have to change the look of it somehow...

edmondsm
05-30-2007, 01:50 AM
They should switch to green clay. That would be awesome.


I couldn't agree more. In all fairness, there should be two clay-court slams, since Wimbledon, more or less, benefits the hardcourter.

Punisha
05-30-2007, 02:58 AM
maybe a new surface is needed... tiles maybe??? or maybe floor boards??? the possibilities are there

OrangeOne
05-30-2007, 04:17 AM
an exhaustive selection process was undertaken

I wonder how exhaustive?

I wonder if it included clay (given the Tennis Australia goals for having clay-courts for juinors)?

I wonder if it included Grass?

Zaragoza
05-30-2007, 04:22 AM
"The court characteristics for next year's Australian Open will be very similar to what we achieved in 2007, with the surface playing in the medium to medium-fast range," Tiley said in a statement.

The AO was already much faster in 2007, it wasnīt a slow hardcourt anymore. I said it in January. Why some people keep saying that it was a slow hardcourt? It wasnīt.I donīt think itīs good for tennis and the AO.

bluetrain4
05-30-2007, 07:11 AM
So it will be the US Open...While I agree from an injury standpoint, I think it's sad that the surfaces continue to become more and more similar.

The period that the AO was on rebound ace represents the only period in history when the Slams were all on different surfaces. I don't understand everyone's obsession with this. Plus, even though Rebound Ace plays differently than the USO, I don't think anyone considers it different enough to look back on the record books and say that a player won on different surfaces because he/she won on the USO hardcourts and Rebound Ace. The wins would go down generally as hardcourt wins.

Like any hardcourt, Rebound Ace could be manipuated by altering the compostition of the base materials and the paint. The AO can still set up their new courts to be different from the USO if they want.

Toph
05-30-2007, 09:21 AM
i think they should go to a wooden floor like the chinese training academy on topspin 1. or maybe the waluigi and wario court, bounce = strongest speed =fastest

Nadal_Freak
05-30-2007, 01:52 PM
i think they should go to a wooden floor like the chinese training academy on topspin 1. or maybe the waluigi and wario court, bounce = strongest speed =fastest
Or they could go to sand or ice. Sand being slower than red clay and Ice being faster than grass. :D

Voltron
05-30-2007, 01:58 PM
Wood or ice would be cool, make a really really fast court.

Voltron
05-30-2007, 02:00 PM
I couldn't agree more. In all fairness, there should be two clay-court slams, since Wimbledon, more or less, benefits the hardcourter.
No, because clay court tennis is less fun to watch. Wimbledon is the most fun IMHO.

Nadal_Freak
05-30-2007, 02:03 PM
No, because clay court tennis is less fun to watch. Wimbledon is the most fun IMHO.
You already got 2 fast slams. Wimbledon and US Open. It should be fair to equal with 2 slow surfaces as well.

VGP
05-30-2007, 02:20 PM
Sounds like the selection process partly went though Lleyton Hewitt's dislike for Rebound Ace....

I like this article from TennisWeek and what Hewitt says.

http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=17013&bannerregion=

Kobble
05-30-2007, 02:40 PM
Rebound Ace was great. This sucks.

TheNatural
05-30-2007, 04:09 PM
but the AO has better weather, better facilities and nno 5th set tie breaks, so the US open will be like the AO's little brother.



So it will be the US Open...While I agree from an injury standpoint, I think it's sad that the surfaces continue to become more and more similar.

TheNatural
05-30-2007, 04:18 PM
Mabe the US open should consider switching to green clay to encourage more of their up and coming players to develop their point construction after the efforts of all their male players at the FO.

That is not a bad idea...Green clay is faster than the Red clay, but slower than a traditional HC, and easier on the body than the old, sticky AO surface. The only issue is the fact that Green clay is so damn ugly...They would have to change the look of it somehow...

Attila the tennis Bum
05-30-2007, 04:26 PM
Thats great news for Roddick but terrible news for Nadal. I have played on that surface and its all about serves.

ktownva
05-30-2007, 04:26 PM
I think this is tragic for Australian tennis. All credibility has been lost - words cannot begin to describe how desperate this looks. Oh wait, I thought this was a thread about Mark Phillipousis starring in reality TV. My bad. Surface, shmurface.

Feņa14
05-30-2007, 04:30 PM
I'd of liked to of seen them go with grass. Australia has a great history with the surface and the way they make grass play these days it wouldn't be all that different to a hard court.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-30-2007, 05:00 PM
Thats great news for Roddick but terrible news for Nadal. I have played on that surface and its all about serves.
people act like roddick still has a chance to win a slam, its over.

forzainter
05-31-2007, 01:06 AM
I couldn't agree more. In all fairness, there should be two clay-court slams, since Wimbledon, more or less, benefits the hardcourter.

the clay court season is my favourite part of tennis all together. But i cant imagine the players being too happy playing 5 set clay matches in 43 degree heat, it wouldnt be good for the players in my opinion. Also, if they were going to make it clay, make it blue clay, just to be different.

tennis_hand
05-31-2007, 01:30 AM
well, the news didn't say the new court is going to be faster. the director said it is still medium to medium fast, didn't he?

Punisha
05-31-2007, 05:51 AM
im pretty sure its going decoturf style...coach told me something like this was gonna happen soon

AgassiFan12
05-31-2007, 06:05 AM
No, because clay court tennis is less fun to watch. Wimbledon is the most fun IMHO.

YOu think clay court tennis is less fun?? I am the exact opposite. I think clay and hard court points are the most fun because they are more constructed and their is much more strategy involved than hitting the hell out of the ball like they do at Wimbledon. That's just my opinion.

logansc
05-31-2007, 12:06 PM
people act like roddick still has a chance to win a slam, its over.

I swear you should really get a new hobby besides Roddick bashing. This thread is about the new surface and you bring up how much you think Roddick sucks like you do in every other thread. Everyone that enters the draw theoretically has a chance.

About the new surface, Rebound Ace was nice for a while but all the players hate it, the court gets to be about 120 degrees and it sucks to play in the kind of heat. Australian tennis on the international level hasn't done much in a while and they are trying to make a decent surface for their slam and get more Australian young people into the sport. Juniors were quitting in frustration left and right because its so hard to grow up on R.A. Just google new surface in Australia and you will get about 10 newspaper articles that talk about it.

Forehand Forever
05-31-2007, 12:14 PM
Maybe Roddick will have a good chance at winning the Australian now.

logansc
05-31-2007, 12:15 PM
He made the semis several times, he just has to get back to basics and do what works for him, because his "new" style got him absolutely pasted. But the faster surface will probably be to his advantage.

Ztalin
05-31-2007, 12:18 PM
im pretty sure its going decoturf style...coach told me something like this was gonna happen soon

Decoturf is all of my club's indoor courts. It's a really good surface. Slower than traditional outdoor courts, a bit higher bounce. I think it's a good change.

Someone said that you need to have 2 fast slams and 2 slow ones... that's crap. Wimbledon was slowed down to bitter sweet ****. It used to be that Wimbledon was the FAST surface, USO and Aussie were in between, and French was slow. Now Wimbledone AND USO are the fast surfaces? No, they are the fastest current surfaces, but not what older players would consider fast (like the grass of old). Having a har-tru slam would be ********.

logansc
05-31-2007, 12:22 PM
Having a har-tru slam would be ********.

Agreed. Har Tru is basically a hard court with a slightly bigger bounce, it is easier on the legs but the movement is nothing like the red stuff. If you try to slide on Har Tru, you might end up face first in the green stuff. ;)

ACE of Hearts
05-31-2007, 12:42 PM
Nadal hasnt maded a final in australia yet, so he still has work to do.I am sure Fed is loving this although he looked pretty good on rebound ace.

Nadal_Freak
05-31-2007, 01:09 PM
I actually think the change of surface might help Nadal. If it plays like Indian Wells than Nadal has a chance. Indoors and night matches don't help Nadal out at all. Nadal didn't look too comforable on rebound ace anyways.

Kaptain Karl
05-31-2007, 01:33 PM
If you try to slide on Har Tru, you might end up face first in the green stuff. I grew-up on Har-Tru (and Rubico, virtually the same) in Alabama. We could slide on the green clay very easily....

- KK

OrangeOne
05-31-2007, 02:32 PM
Australian tennis on the international level hasn't done much in a while and they are trying to make a decent surface for their slam and get more Australian young people into the sport. Juniors were quitting in frustration left and right because its so hard to grow up on R.A.

Sorry mate - we don't grow up on RA. Just doesn't happen. Maybe 5% of kids that live in inner-city areas, and certainly any kid that makes it to upper-levels and moves to an academy or a state-level squad... sure. But in the mainstream, we 'grow-up' on synthetic grass, har-tru & hardcourt.

RA was simply so expensive that it never made it out the the 'regular' tennis clubs or council courts....

logansc
05-31-2007, 02:49 PM
Sorry mate - we don't grow up on RA. Just doesn't happen. Maybe 5% of kids that live in inner-city areas, and certainly any kid that makes it to upper-levels and moves to an academy or a state-level squad... sure. But in the mainstream, we 'grow-up' on synthetic grass, har-tru & hardcourt.

RA was simply so expensive that it never made it out the the 'regular' tennis clubs or council courts....

Didn't know that, I was just going by what I read from the Aussie papers. Maybe they were referring to Juniors in training or something like that. Synthetic Grass...never heard of that but it does sound good.

J-man
05-31-2007, 02:50 PM
I think it will reduce the ankle injuries for sure at AO thus safer. But with the slower hardcourt it had something different from other GS. Wth the faster surface it is similar to the Us Open.

logansc
05-31-2007, 02:51 PM
I grew-up on Har-Tru (and Rubico, virtually the same) in Alabama. We could slide on the green clay very easily....

Could just be my shoes then, because I played Har Tru yesterday for the first time in a long time and tried to slide into a volley and just stopped and almost faceplanted haha...

alan-n
05-31-2007, 02:55 PM
Its about time, Rebound Ace under the sun was bound to end tennis careers prematurely.

OrangeOne
05-31-2007, 03:54 PM
Didn't know that, I was just going by what I read from the Aussie papers. Maybe they were referring to Juniors in training or something like that. Synthetic Grass...never heard of that but it does sound good.

You'd call it astro-turf, most likely. It's not good, unfortunately, the only good things about it are that it's playable in light rain, and it's softer on the joints than hardcourt. Playability-wise, it's fair more likely to be to blame for the demise in aussie juniors - it's fast, horrid, and not used for any pro tournaments on earth. It certainly doesn't encourage players to learn how to play long points.

Tennis Aus actually has a clay-court initiative in place right now, trying to get clubs and coaches to convert to clay. With this in mind, I'm very surprised that they're keeping a medium-fast surface for the AO.

woodie55
05-31-2007, 04:52 PM
OrangeOne,

Beg to differ on the TA trying to get clubs to change to clay. TA did not even consider clay for AO, only hard courts. TA is offering to subsidise tennis clubs $18000.00 per court for putting in the same hard court as at the AO but nothing for any other surface. Classic Clay, Poly Clay etc are not recognised by TA as meeting their requirements for tennis courts. They do recognise red porous (en-tous-cart) but let's face it with the drought at the moment these courts are not really a good investment and TA will not subsidise their construction anyhow. I think that what TA forgets is that tennis clubs are not run by juniors but mostly by people in their 40's and 50's who are not going to put in hardcourts, when softer ie underfoot options are available, just in the hope that one of their juniors may one day be able to play professional tennis.

OrangeOne
05-31-2007, 04:55 PM
OrangeOne,

Beg to differ on the TA trying to get clubs to change to clay. TA did not even consider clay for AO, only hard courts. TA is offering to subsidise tennis clubs $18000.00 per court for putting in the same hard court as at the AO but nothing for any other surface. Classic Clay, Poly Clay etc are not recognised by TA as meeting their requirements for tennis courts. They do recognise red porous (en-tous-cart) but let's face it with the drought at the moment these courts are not really a good investment and TA will not subsidise their construction anyhow. I think that what TA forgets is that tennis clubs are not run by juniors but mostly by people in their 40's and 50's who are not going to put in hardcourts, when softer ie underfoot options are available, just in the hope that one of their juniors may one day be able to play professional tennis.

I must admit I heard about the clay initiative 2nd-hand, so my apologies if I'm quoting a bad source.

That said, I find it hard to believe TA would offer $18k per court to upgrade to the new surface - this could easily run into millions in an instant. Do you have a link?

Defcon
05-31-2007, 05:12 PM
This is good news. Everything is slower now than it used to be just a few years ago. Wimbledon with their new grass is nowhere near as fast as what it was, and there's a general trend to slow everything down. As a result we don't really have true attacking tennis being played. Plus, rebound ace and hot sun is an accident waiting to happen.

woodie55
05-31-2007, 05:41 PM
OrangeOne

We had a guy come out to our club from Tennis Vic when we were researching possible replacements for our porous courts. This was the info that he provided. As for millions of dollars just remember that $18000 is not going to cover half the cost of the court anyhow - the new courts they are going to lay are approx $38000 each and Rebound Ace was $45000, so not a lot of difference. And knowing TA as we well do there is probably disclaimers left right and centre on the granting of the moneys. Also as I said not a lot of clubs, well the ones that I know, are interested in laying hard courts because of the demographics of the tennis population in Aus, well definitely in Vic, anyhow - mostly people in the late twenties up are the only ones playing comp from what I have experienced. Very few juniors seem to keep playing after 17 or so in our (Northern Suburbs) Comp that I have seen. So I think that TA's money is pretty safe. Most clubs who do change their courts are going to Synthetic Grass or Classic Clay from what I have seen. This was borne out by the guy from Tennis Vic who could only give two egs of clubs laying hard courts in the last twelve months c/w 10 that have laid classic clay/synthetic grass.

jackson vile
05-31-2007, 05:46 PM
The thing is that the AO really makes no sense at all we have a hard court slam to start of the year and then almost straight to slow clay then super short grass season then hard court season.

It would make more sense for the year to start out all slow, then lengthen the grass season then end on the hard court season.

This makes more sense rather than mixing it up like that.

Other wise the AO needs to be slower and bouncier than the USO other wise what is the point of having two USOs?

Not to mention the players don't even have to deal with the AO heat that all the other player had to in the past.

Like what was said, they are making the courts more the same which makes no sense at all.

AndrewD
05-31-2007, 06:09 PM
It would make more sense for the year to start out all slow, then lengthen the grass season then end on the hard court season.

the AO needs to be slower and bouncier than the USO other wise what is the point of having two USOs?

Like what was said, they are making the courts more the same which makes no sense at all.

1. I agree. We don't need two US Opens so let's scrap the American version and the players can have a lengthy off-season.

2. No! It makes far more sense to finish the year on the natural surfaces - clay and grass. So, let's either move the US Open or get rid of it altogether.

3. It makes far more sense to have the synthetic surfaces play fast. The slower they are, the more time players have to spend on them and the greater the strain on their bodies. So, the Aus and US Opens should be medium to fast.

** For anyone who thought grass should have been an option - it was never considered. The Australian Open is played at a public venue so the courts have to be in use year-round. Grass just can't take that kind of punishment so it isn't a viable alternative. Clay was one of the options but wasn't favoured by the players and would have been a hard sell for TA.

tursafinov
05-31-2007, 06:29 PM
Sounds like the selection process partly went though Lleyton Hewitt's dislike for Rebound Ace....

I like this article from TennisWeek and what Hewitt says.

http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=17013&bannerregion=

Thanks for the new Signature!

~Tursa

rabidcow
05-31-2007, 06:30 PM
I wouldn't mind it being played on hard-tru like some people were mentioning earlier, once you get used to it you can slide. Plus it would be a happy medium between the US Open and the French

EliteNinja
05-31-2007, 06:47 PM
The answer is obviously Asphalt.
It's a slowish surface, takes spin like crazy, can be used year-round by the public and is really cheap to make.

That, or Ice.
They'd have Zambonies drive around between sets.:p

diggler
06-01-2007, 07:37 AM
The new surface should be better in the heat and give a more consistent bounce. I still wish they would move the tournament to March. At the very least, they should close the roof at the slightest provocation. For the fans, sitting in the hot sun is an absolute *****.

logansc
06-01-2007, 08:54 AM
1. I agree. We don't need two US Opens so let's scrap the American version and the players can have a lengthy off-season.

Yeah...right.

bluetrain4
06-01-2007, 10:39 AM
We don't need four separate sufaces. I Slam can be unique and special without having a different surface. At least 2 of the 4 slams have always been on the same general surface.

The AO will do fine no mater the surface they choose.

Andres
06-01-2007, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't mind a carpet (Taraflex) slam.
That way, most players could actually PLAY on that surface, prior to facing it in Davis Cup.

Isn't Paris a taraflex tournament? and Lyon?

fastdunn
06-01-2007, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't mind a carpet (Taraflex) slam.


Me neither. Master's final has been practically 5th slam on carpet.

We need to have at least one slam on a quick surfaces.
(Don't tell me Wimbledon is quick surface any more)
They are slowing down this game a bit too much.

I actually never seen this much similar games on all slams.
This homogenity might hurt the game of tennis in the long run.

J-man
06-01-2007, 01:22 PM
Could just be my shoes then, because I played Har Tru yesterday for the first time in a long time and tried to slide into a volley and just stopped and almost faceplanted haha...It depends on how much the court is watered or if it's dry, how much har-tru is on it, ect.

Butters!
06-01-2007, 04:11 PM
I couldn't agree more. In all fairness, there should be two clay-court slams, since Wimbledon, more or less, benefits the hardcourter.

I'm with you. The rebound ace was harmful to the players in terms of holding the brutal heat of the Australian summer and stickiness that was a real ankle breaker. Maybe green clay, yeah, since it's faster than red clay but slower than hardcourt. Maybe the color could be changed to blue? Haha, that's impossible. I'm sure the players have no problem with that idea if it were proposed. It would save their knee ligaments and ankles. :)