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origmarm
05-31-2007, 01:55 AM
Do any of you guys use an HRM?

I used to use one when I was younger and rowing a lot and recently discovered it in my cupboard and thought I would start using it again down the gym (I don't really see the point of it during tennis matches).
Does anyone know a lot about these?

When I was younger I would use these to train at about 80%HR and to time how long I could maintain 90% etc..but thats really all I learnt to do with it as the goals were pretty clear cut back then
What I'm interested in doing now is two things:

- Finding the optimum workrate for weight loss. There seem to be different schools of thought on this

- Finding the optimum workrate for improving stamina

Any help on the above very much appreciated

zapvor
05-31-2007, 12:26 PM
whats a HRM?

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 12:28 PM
Heart rate monitor?

zapvor
05-31-2007, 12:32 PM
i think you got it! thanks. no i dont use one.

chess9
05-31-2007, 07:41 PM
I have the Polar RS800 SD, with the S1 Foot Pod. Very nice machine. Lots of metrics for the anally inclined. LIKE ME! :)

I can measure how far, approximately, I've run in a tennis match by putting the foot pod on my tennis shoes. I also learned that in extended rallies my heart rate hits 170 bpm sometimes. That's pretty high for a guy with one foot in the grave. Er, well, ok, I have BOTH feet in. :)

-Robert

Setmatch45
05-31-2007, 07:59 PM
I use them they are a great tool. Generally you take 220 minus your age for starters. 80 to 90 percent is used for pure heart training while about 60 percent for weight loss.

origmarm
06-01-2007, 12:05 AM
Heart rate monitor?

Sorry yep thats right

OrangeOne
06-01-2007, 12:14 AM
- Finding the optimum workrate for weight loss. There seem to be different schools of thought on this

There are, but thesedays it's pretty much recognised that the harder you work, the more fat you will lose. Now, you need to factor in how long you can work, no point working for 1min @ 99%!

- Finding the optimum workrate for improving stamina
Usually stamina = aerobic = 60-85%. Above 85% (generally speaking) is above 'lactate threshold'. Stamina could be improving aerobic capacity, or I suppose it could also be increasing your lactate threshold. Reading into heart rate zones and lactate threshold would be a good thing for you to do from here...

(I'm in a rush, so this is a quick reply. I'd think google will help you, maybe google "brianmac fitness" - you'll find a good fitness site that will cover this stuff I'm sure).

origmarm
06-01-2007, 12:24 AM
I have the Polar RS800 SD, with the S1 Foot Pod. Very nice machine. Lots of metrics for the anally inclined. LIKE ME! :)

I can measure how far, approximately, I've run in a tennis match by putting the foot pod on my tennis shoes. I also learned that in extended rallies my heart rate hits 170 bpm sometimes. That's pretty high for a guy with one foot in the grave. Er, well, ok, I have BOTH feet in. :)

-Robert

That is high, I didn't think you'd get close to topping out in a tennis game.

Haven't seen a foot pod before, I'm guessing its just some kind of device that measures the number of steps?

origmarm
06-01-2007, 02:55 AM
Thanks for the reply, I've been reading a few bits on the internet but some of it seems contradictory so I thought it best to try and tap some experience

There are, but thesedays it's pretty much recognised that the harder you work, the more fat you will lose. Now, you need to factor in how long you can work, no point working for 1min @ 99%!

This was sort of my feeling on it, the little book that comes with it goes on a lot about 60% or thereabouts being about right but I can't help thinking that more work = more loss globally. My feeling and from the reading I've done it would appear that this has something to do with your point re work time i.e. its the optimum rate for balance between the time you can work for and the amount of work per min if that makes sense.

Usually stamina = aerobic = 60-85%. Above 85% (generally speaking) is above 'lactate threshold'. Stamina could be improving aerobic capacity, or I suppose it could also be increasing your lactate threshold.

Thanks this is very useful info, the bit I have found hard is defining what I should be aiming for here. For me its essentially "to last longer" i.e to be able to run further, play tennis for longer etc...

The stuff I have read gives you good info on how to target certain types of workout but didn't tell me what does what if that makes sense i.e what kind of workout I should be going for in HR terms to increase stamina. I'm going to have a read up about lactate threshold and see what I can find out

chess9
06-01-2007, 06:39 PM
That is high, I didn't think you'd get close to topping out in a tennis game.

Haven't seen a foot pod before, I'm guessing its just some kind of device that measures the number of steps?

Yes, but I mis-typed, it's the S3 footpod. It measures cadence, stride length, and distance and transmits it to the watch. The heart rate strap on your chest measures the pulse.

When sprinting hard, I can still hit 180. I see those on 200 repeats at the track. I've always had high heart rates, but heart rates are highly personal and highly variable. My resting heart rate is typically between 42 and 48 depending on how hard I've been training.

I'm not so sure an HRM is much good for tennis players. It certainly is not a necessary item. A stop watch and a place to run a measured distance are enough. BUT, they are a lot of fun, particularly if you are suffering from terminal OCD. :)

By the way, RPE has been proven to be just as effective as a heart rate monitor for training. I have plenty of running buddies who snicker at my heart rate monitor. $400 wasted, or so they say. :) To each his own.

-Robert

Marius_Hancu
06-02-2007, 03:33 AM
I do - for most of my cardio work, and occasionally during tennis playing, in order to see if my cardio is up to task for tennis.

Without it, you don't really have a clue as to your progress in terms of cardio.

See my Sticky at the top, there's a full section on them:

Great Fitness Sites I (Conditioning)
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=52164

Ronaldo
06-02-2007, 09:06 AM
Believe if most tennis players used a HRM while playing, may find it's best to just practice to keep your HR up. Hard to sustain your HR between points. Entry level HRM is cheap, less then $50.

origmarm
06-04-2007, 01:56 AM
I do - for most of my cardio work, and occasionally during tennis playing, in order to see if my cardio is up to task for tennis.

Without it, you don't really have a clue as to your progress in terms of cardio.

See my Sticky at the top, there's a full section on them:

Great Fitness Sites I (Conditioning)
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=52164

Thanks, thats a really great thread.

origmarm
06-04-2007, 01:58 AM
Yes, but I mis-typed, it's the S3 footpod. It measures cadence, stride length, and distance and transmits it to the watch. The heart rate strap on your chest measures the pulse.

When sprinting hard, I can still hit 180. I see those on 200 repeats at the track. I've always had high heart rates, but heart rates are highly personal and highly variable. My resting heart rate is typically between 42 and 48 depending on how hard I've been training.

I'm not so sure an HRM is much good for tennis players. It certainly is not a necessary item. A stop watch and a place to run a measured distance are enough. BUT, they are a lot of fun, particularly if you are suffering from terminal OCD. :)

By the way, RPE has been proven to be just as effective as a heart rate monitor for training. I have plenty of running buddies who snicker at my heart rate monitor. $400 wasted, or so they say. :) To each his own.

-Robert

$400, wow you must have a pretty complex model, mine was about $60 if I remember correctly

Footpad sounds pretty interesting but I think a little too specialised for me. Marius' link seems to have some really good sites on it...now to find the time...