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tennissavy
05-31-2007, 08:02 AM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

Andres
05-31-2007, 08:06 AM
We'll still continue bashing the WTA. That guy's serve is simply a joke for Pro Standards

l_gonzalez
05-31-2007, 09:08 AM
It's a common trait for all Italians... they can't serve.

Cipola, Volandri, Seppi, Di Mauro... i haven't seen Starace play yet but i can almost guarantee he has a crap serve.

It must be a problem with the young Italians though, cos Bracciali has a big serve and Sanguinetti has a decent serve too.

You can't say it's a height issue either cos Seppi is pretty tall and he served like Kournikova against Moya.

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 09:16 AM
Man, Bracciali, there is an inspiration for all of the short people out there that say that they cannot serve hard because they are shorter. It's just HARDER to serve HARDER! (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I know, that was pretty lame.)

tennissavy
05-31-2007, 09:19 AM
Man, Bracciali, there is an inspiration for all of the short people out there that say that they cannot serve hard because they are shorter. It's just HARDER to serve HARDER! (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I know, that was pretty lame.)

Henin is petite and serves huge too- regularly at 115mph sometimes 120mph.

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 09:20 AM
WTA is much more boring than the ATP and even if some women can serve faster than a few men it's irrelevant.

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 09:21 AM
Henin is petite and serves huge too- regularly at 115mph sometimes 120mph.

I said it is more difficult, not impossible, to serve harder whe you are shorter. Sorry if you didn't get what I was trying to say.

jelle v
05-31-2007, 09:22 AM
The guy is 5'8" (1,72m), that's pretty short.

I'm watching right now and his serve isn't that bad. He hits pretty decent angels sometimes..

Anyway the guy is no.227 of the world and watching him play, I know he would give Dechy and Mauresmo a severe beating if he played them :-D

tennissavy
05-31-2007, 09:23 AM
WTA is much more boring than the ATP and even if some women can serve faster than a few men it's irrelevant.

Hi, fellow baggy fan. Actually, your post is irrelevant to my topic. Shame on you.

tennissavy
05-31-2007, 09:24 AM
I said it is more difficult, not impossible, to serve harder whe you are shorter. Sorry if you didn't get what I was trying to say.

No, I understood you. I am just bringing to your attention, and everybody else's, that the same applies to the WTA. WTA is either ignored or bashed on this board and I love to bring up all the many strong points in it.

jelle v
05-31-2007, 09:25 AM
Hi, fellow baggy fan. Actually, your post is irrelevant to my topic. Shame on you.

Maybe your topic is irrelevant to his post.. ;)

GRANITECHIEF
05-31-2007, 09:26 AM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

Care to comment on the rotational velocity of the ball as well for the women vs. Cipolla. I'd bet that it would be much easier to return the serve of Dechy/Mauresmo than the serve of Cipolla, because the man's serve is much "heavier".

tennissavy
05-31-2007, 09:31 AM
Care to comment on the rotational velocity of the ball as well for the women vs. Cipolla. I'd bet that it would be much easier to return the serve of Dechy/Mauresmo than the serve of Cipolla, because the man's serve is much "heavier".

LOL. We've been through this before. You never learn. There are plenty of women who would serve more effectively against you than some men so don't be silly. Anyway, there were many threads about this in the past. There is no reason for me to rehash this debate. Just do a search on this board and re-read.

l_gonzalez
05-31-2007, 09:33 AM
It might be heavier but he still gets no pace on the ball so opponents have plenty of time to set up.

The guy is 5'8" (1,72m), that's pretty short.

I'm watching right now and his serve isn't that bad. He hits pretty decent angels sometimes..

The height argument is irrelevant. Clement, Grosjean, the Rochus brothers and a few others are pretty short and they have good serves.
It's an italian thing, they don't teach them how to serve!

GRANITECHIEF
05-31-2007, 09:37 AM
LOL. Anyway, there were many threads about this in the past. There is no reason for me to rehash this debate.

Then why did you make the thread? No need for me to search old threads because i already know the result.

DashaandSafin
05-31-2007, 09:52 AM
With over 2000 posts and 2 years at TW, I can't believe you brought this up. Surely you know what this might trainwreck into? Another ATP v WTA debate, one among hundereds of threads that we already have.

We already established that the ATP players hit harder all around minus a blip or two, Ciopllawho?

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 09:55 AM
Hi, fellow baggy fan. Actually, your post is irrelevant to my topic. Shame on you.

Actually it's not irrelevant to your topic. You state that 2 WTA players serve faster than Cipolla. I state that it doesn't prove that WTA is better than the ATP and that a few women have faster serve than a few men but it proves nothing actually.

More shame on you for trying to draw conclusions from a secluded case like Cipolla.

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 09:59 AM
With over 2000 posts and 2 years at TW, I can't believe you brought this up. Surely you know what this might trainwreck into? Another ATP v WTA debate, one among hundereds of threads that we already have.

We already established that the ATP players hit harder all around minus a blip or two, Ciopllawho?

I believe that was his goal.

Maybe your topic is irrelevant to his post.. ;)

Actually it's not because his last sentence was :"This is for all you WTA bashing people".

The WTA and the ATP are both tennis associations and your topic was made to supposedly show those who bash the WTA that because 2 women serve better than 1 man the WTA is not bad. The WTA is not bad but the ATP is more interesting imo and if 2 women serve better then 1 guy it doesn't change anything.

My posts are clear and on topic.

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 10:00 AM
By the by, WHO IS CIPOLLA?????? I know enough about the Italian tennis players, but have never even heard of this guy.

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 10:18 AM
By the by, WHO IS CIPOLLA?????? I know enough about the Italian tennis players, but have never even heard of this guy.

Precisely he is unknown! :D

tintin
05-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Are you sure Mauresmo is a woman?;)

go tell that to Grosjean and Clement who were chasing Mauresmo and they'll tell you how much of a woman she is:roll:

Doc Hollidae
05-31-2007, 10:41 AM
If you want to talk about slow servers.

Sjeng Schalken. 'Nuff said.

drakulie
05-31-2007, 11:00 AM
Care to comment on the rotational velocity of the ball as well for the women vs. Cipolla. I'd bet that it would be much easier to return the serve of Dechy/Mauresmo than the serve of Cipolla, because the man's serve is much "heavier".

Agreed. Cipolla puts way more spin on the ball than the women mentioned here.

GRANITECHIEF
05-31-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm sure that Cipolla gets plenty of "action".

drakulie
05-31-2007, 11:15 AM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

Looking at the French serve stats:

Cipolla serves averaged between 95-105 mph. fastest first serve was 109, slowest serve 89.

Mauresmo (against Granville) averaged between 98-105. Fastest 108, slowest 89.

tennissavy
05-31-2007, 12:15 PM
Actually it's not irrelevant to your topic. You state that 2 WTA players serve faster than Cipolla. I state that it doesn't prove that WTA is better than the ATP and that a few women have faster serve than a few men but it proves nothing actually.

More shame on you for trying to draw conclusions from a secluded case like Cipolla.

I was talking primarily about cipolla not all the atp.

shiva29
05-31-2007, 02:16 PM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

this guy is on the secound round of a grand slam!!! and you???

kingdaddy41788
05-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

This proves nothing except that Cipolla has a slow serve. Enter Elena Dementieva, who consistently serves in the 60's (only she's highly-ranked and well known, while Cipolla is unheard of). Your argument is completely illogical. If you want to point out that Serena and Venus serve about as fast as Roger Federer (and many other men) I'll have to point out that those men usually have better placement. There's no sound argument against the fact that serves in the WTA are slower than serves in the ATP.

DashaandSafin
05-31-2007, 03:03 PM
Furthermore, the day an WTA player takes off 7 games off Nadal on clay at the FO is a sad day indeed.

tricky
05-31-2007, 03:07 PM
I think, in general-- strokes, serve, and all that, pace among the top women power players rivals that of the lower end of the ATP. The difference, though, is the spin. Men's game, even players from top D1 schools, is much heavier than what the top WTA produces.

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 03:20 PM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

I was talking primarily about cipolla not all the atp.

You talked about Cipolla indeed but then you pointed to those who bash the WTA (in favor of the ATP) that 2 women pros have faster serve than Cipolla and therefore they shouldn't be bashing the WTA because there are women who serve faster than Cipolla. Makes no sense to me if you didn't generalize it to the ATP.

drakulie
05-31-2007, 03:40 PM
Fact of the matter is that tennissavy is wrong. Here are the stats from the match, taken from the French serve stats:

Cipolla serves averaged between 95-105 mph. fastest first serve was 109, slowest 89.

Mauresmo (against Granville) averaged between 98-105. Fastest 108, slowest 89.

CEvertFan
05-31-2007, 04:13 PM
The only two women who have ever had a serve that approaches the speed on the men's tour is Brenda Schultz-McCarthy at 130 mph (fastest serve ever on the women's tour), and Venus Williams at 128mph. Some of the other ladies can serve a bit above 110mph, but that is still a lot slower than most of the better guys on the men's tour.

TheNatural
05-31-2007, 04:45 PM
Speed is overrated, action, control and placement matter more. I'm sure Venus Williams would kill for a serve like Samantha Stosurs.

CEvertFan
05-31-2007, 07:05 PM
Speed is overrated, action, control and placement matter more. I'm sure Venus Williams would kill for a serve like Samantha Stosurs.



This is true. Ask Roddick how much speed is irrelevant. I was only commenting on the speed however, not everything else that makes up a great serve. Very few women use the serve/are able to use the serve (action, control and placement) to their advantage these days.

Ztalin
05-31-2007, 07:40 PM
go tell that to Grosjean and Clement who were chasing Mauresmo and they'll tell you how much of a woman she is:roll:

are you sure grosjean and clement are straight

tennis_hand
05-31-2007, 08:18 PM
fast serves, so? Roddick already went home.

krz
05-31-2007, 10:42 PM
hmm i'm thinking Cipolla would double bagel dechy and mauresmo(has anybody noticed how much she resembles fabio?)

tintin
06-01-2007, 03:51 AM
are you sure grosjean and clement are straight

his hot wife and kids will attest for Grosjean
and so will Camille Pin for Clement
at the end of the day mate,your homophobia don't mean *****.Mauresmo is one filthy rich woman whose $ 's growing in the Swiss banks of Geneva faster than all your ancestors money combined ;)

tennus
06-01-2007, 04:36 AM
Mauresmo and Dechy serve faster than atp player Cipolla who is on court against Nadal now. Mauresmo is consistently 10mph faster and Dechy is a little bit faster. This guy serves most first serves in 90mph range. Both women are harder servers. This is for all you WTA bashing people.

Hmmm........I know the WTA cops plenty for its lack of depth but picking a guy who's largely been playing in the Challenger circuit is not a fair representation of the ATP. In any case Cipolla's serve is ten times better than..................I give you Ms Zanetti:)

http://clown.ithil.org/~ajss/zanetti.avi

Dunlopkid
06-01-2007, 05:02 AM
Ok, so all he's saying is that the very BEST on the WTA serve a LITTLE faster than the very WORST on the ATP. I think he's proving our point, actually.

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 05:20 AM
Nadal broke this guys serve 7 out of 9 times at one point. His serve sucked big time.

tennissavy
06-01-2007, 05:21 AM
hmm i'm thinking Cipolla would double bagel dechy and mauresmo(has anybody noticed how much she resembles fabio?)

I can see the fabio resemblance but Amelie looks exactly like Tommy Haas to me.

tennissavy
06-01-2007, 05:27 AM
Ok, so all he's saying is that the very BEST on the WTA serve a LITTLE faster than the very WORST on the ATP. I think he's proving our point, actually.

Not at all. Mauresmo and Dechy do not have anywhere near the best serves on the WTA and Dechy is not even close to being the best player in any regard. Dechy's serve is only average for the wta and only on the lower end of average. Mauresmo's serve is slightly above average for the wta.

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 05:53 AM
Not at all. Mauresmo and Dechy do not have anywhere near the best serves on the WTA and Dechy is not even close to being the best player in any regard. Dechy's serve is only average for the wta and only on the lower end of average. Mauresmo's serve is slightly above average for the wta.

Actually I think Mauresmo has a very big serve for WTA standards when she is playing well. At Wimbledon last year she definitely had one of the biggest serves, and it one of the biggest reasons she won the event.

tintin
06-01-2007, 07:22 AM
Actually I think Mauresmo has a very big serve for WTA standards when she is playing well. At Wimbledon last year she definitely had one of the biggest serves, and it one of the biggest reasons she won the event.

no kidding:shock:
she clocked on at 119,hell on a second serve too;even Henin was looking at it thinking htfck:shock: did you hit a serve like that:lol: :lol:
I'd like to see her completely healthy again

Ztalin
06-01-2007, 08:29 AM
his hot wife and kids will attest for Grosjean
and so will Camille Pin for Clement
at the end of the day mate,your homophobia don't mean *****.Mauresmo is one filthy rich woman whose $ 's growing in the Swiss banks of Geneva faster than all your ancestors money combined ;)

I don't know what makes you think that I'm homophobic. I never said anything to suggest such a thing. I was just throwing out my suspicion that Mauresmo is really Tommy Haas' twin brother.

sureshs
06-01-2007, 08:37 AM
Even 3.5 men on this board serve faster than anyone on the WTA. Around 130 mph on the average. And remember that is only their second serve. Juniors on this board average 175 mph or so.

chris1992
06-01-2007, 08:45 AM
top 10 wta players play like men, after the top 10 or 20 there is a big difference in standard and power.

tintin
06-01-2007, 09:18 AM
I don't know what makes you think that I'm homophobic. I never said anything to suggest such a thing. I was just throwing out my suspicion that Mauresmo is really Tommy Haas' twin brother.

oh yeah and both are rich,famous and bloody successful brothers or not and you are none of that:roll:
something has to give huh?:mrgreen:

DashaandSafin
06-01-2007, 09:52 AM
top 10 wta players play like men, after the top 10 or 20 there is a big difference in standard and power.

Haha. Thats why the top 10 men still struggle in the first rounds while the top 10 women are bagelin and breadstickin' right?

GRANITECHIEF
06-01-2007, 11:51 AM
Speed is overrated, action, control and placement matter more. I'm sure Venus Williams would kill for a serve like Samantha Stosurs.

Just like to note that in Stosur's match against Red Hawt Nicole Vaidisova, that Nicole had 10 aces and Stosur had 1.