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Batoussai
05-31-2007, 10:33 AM
Vliegen in his (dutch) press conference this week, after his win over Gasquet:

V: Cañas can play 10 hours... I can't play ten hours...

V: I don't like those people. It are the rules that when you do your time after being caught you can come back... But still I don't like those people.

V: It's an extra motivation for me to beat Cañas...

Some years ago, in 2005, Vliegen said something in the Belgian Press that he thought there was something fishy about Cañas and Puerta in their Semi-Final.

V: See I was right when I said they were doped...

So Vliegen hates Cañas' guts and he'll beter watch out because every ball will be coming 10km/h faster than normal...

GO VLIEGEN!

Ruud
05-31-2007, 10:38 AM
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 10:42 AM
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

Rhino
05-31-2007, 10:42 AM
Cañas and Puerta played in the quarterfinal, 2005. In retrospect it's a match I'd quite like to see.
These comments do add a bit of spice to Cañas vs Vliegen, I'll look out for that one.

Andres
05-31-2007, 10:43 AM
Maybe he's just ****ed cause he has never defeated Cañas.
0-2, and most likely, a 0-3 after tomorrow ;)

Batoussai
05-31-2007, 10:47 AM
Nah, he's ****ed because he hates people who use doping...

Very clean sportsman who cares about fairplay!

nikdom
05-31-2007, 10:47 AM
This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.

Rhino
05-31-2007, 10:52 AM
^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

nikdom
05-31-2007, 10:55 AM
^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

I'm not discussing *WHETHER* he cheated or not, just the *STORY* surrounding it.

In other words, for people like Rhino that have poor comprehension skills, here's the dumbed-down explanation of what I said - "NOT GIRLFRIEND'S MEDICINE, DOCTOR GIVE MEDICINE"

malakas
05-31-2007, 10:55 AM
Cañas and Puerta played in the quarterfinal, 2005. In retrospect it's a match I'd quite like to see.
These comments do add a bit of spice to Cañas vs Vliegen, I'll look out for that one.

Ditto.This just makes the match more interesting.:)

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 10:56 AM
Canas will crush Vliegen for his childish accusations (if they are indeed true).

Batoussai
05-31-2007, 10:56 AM
^^^here we go again, Cañas honest or cheater, the battle rages on. *yawn*

Yeah Pointless... Everybody has a different opinion... But Vliegen thinks he was doped and it will be very interesting to see him getting pumped to beat Cañas...

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 10:56 AM
Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.

Sorry, wrong doper. Who was it that I was thinking of then?

ACE of Hearts
05-31-2007, 10:57 AM
Vliegen will beat Canas.I am telling u.

malakas
05-31-2007, 10:59 AM
Canas will crush Vliegen for his childish accusations (if they are indeed true).

or Vliegen will be extra fired up about this match,and kick Canas out in 3!:D

nikdom
05-31-2007, 11:00 AM
If Canas gets to the semis and so does Federer, it'll be interesting to see how Federer handles him.

Will he wilt under added pressure to avenge his earlier defeats? Will he step up and punish Canas for the earlier debacles?

I haven't seen Canas play thus far in the tournament, but if he does get to the semis, I think Roger might have to step it up a notch and bring his A game. (Which is about what he would need for the semis anyways)

Andres
05-31-2007, 11:01 AM
Vliegen will be lucky to take 15 games off Cañas.
6-3, 6-4, 6-2. Straight sets for Willy ;)

Richie Rich
05-31-2007, 11:14 AM
Sorry, wrong doper. Who was it that I was thinking of then?

mariano puerta

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 11:16 AM
mariano puerta

Thank you. That was bothering me for the last 15 minutes.

J-man
05-31-2007, 11:16 AM
He was doped so what! Get the hell over it. Some people continue to dwell on past things which don't make a damn difference when they step out on the court.

Batoussai
05-31-2007, 11:33 AM
He was doped so what! Get the hell over it. Some people continue to dwell on past things which don't make a damn difference when they step out on the court.

So What???

That's a disgrace being doped, and we should care because those people ruin sports...

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-31-2007, 11:36 AM
if canas should be banned forever, then so should that white ***** karatencheva.

crazysoccer00
05-31-2007, 11:37 AM
TThe fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

I don't quite follow your logic...

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 11:40 AM
or Vliegen will be extra fired up about this match,and kick Canas out in 3!:D

If Vliegen

http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/art/0/8/8/large_283993.jpg

beats Canas

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/jon_wertheim/03/28/mailbag/p1_canas_0328.jpg

then Canas better not appear in public again.

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 11:42 AM
I don't quite follow your logic...

Well, when you come back to the tour after a 15 month layoff and you win one of the first tourneys you play (I think it was Buenos Aires), and then less then a month later you beat Roger Federer in a tourney that he has won the past 3-4 years (can't remember which one) and has a 50+ win streak on American soil. Then 3 weeks later, you beat him again and make it to the finals of a Masters Series Tourney. Then you go to Barcelona and you make another final, I'd say my logic isn't that far fetched.

jmverdugo
05-31-2007, 11:43 AM
Vliegen has a very big mouth and always does child comments, I think it was at Rome or Monaco that he got to play Nadal a Vliegen said that everybody knows how Nadal plays and it was not going to be hard to beat him (Nadal), but he almost got bagelled, Im pretty shure he will lose to Willy...

crazysoccer00
05-31-2007, 11:48 AM
Well, when you come back to the tour after a 15 month layoff and you win one of the first tourneys you play (I think it was Buenos Aires), and then less then a month later you beat Roger Federer in a tourney that he has won the past 3-4 years (can't remember which one) and has a 50+ win streak on American soil. Then 3 weeks later, you beat him again and make it to the finals of a Masters Series Tourney. Then you go to Barcelona and you make another final, I'd say my logic isn't that far fetched.

So, according to you, beating a great player PROVES that you didn't mean to take the drugs?

Jonny S&V
05-31-2007, 11:52 AM
So, according to you, beating a great player PROVES that you didn't mean to take the drugs?

No, I am saying that he obviously has the talent to play at the top level without the help of doping (assuming that he is clean now, which he probably is).

ChipNCharge
05-31-2007, 11:54 AM
if canas should be banned forever, then so should that white ***** karatencheva.

Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.

Andres
05-31-2007, 11:57 AM
Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.
Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

ChipNCharge
05-31-2007, 12:06 PM
Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.

LarougeNY
05-31-2007, 12:07 PM
Acasuso, Zabaleta, Monaco, Nalbandian, Calleri, Gaudio, Del Potro, Prieto, Berlocq, Hartfield, Vasallo-Argüello and Roitman.

That sounds like a very good Davis Cup team. Specially Acasuso-Nalbandian-Calleri-Del Potro-Monaco and Prieto for the doubles.

I say Nalby and gaudio (if he gets back to form) for singles and calleri and canas for doubles. They'd definitely win over almost any country.

And Go canas! He's taking out vliegen in 3.

Andres
05-31-2007, 12:08 PM
Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.
Calleri, Cañas, Monaco and Nalbandian are Top40.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-31-2007, 12:08 PM
Uh, yeah. Other than Nalbandian and Gaudio, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of any of those guys. Sorry, I just don't hear much about Argentina tennis in the news, except when an Argentine is busted for cheating or for spitting at an opponent.

del potri is pretty good, shades of safin in him.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-31-2007, 12:09 PM
lol chip, u still remember legolas.

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
05-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Legolas, I agree. Any player caught cheating should be banned forever. However, if this were the case Argentina probably wouldn't have enough players to field a Davis Cup team.

lol chip, u still remember my old self, legolas.

malakas
05-31-2007, 12:13 PM
If Vliegen

http://www.hln.be/static/FOTO/art/0/8/8/large_283993.jpg

beats Canas

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/jon_wertheim/03/28/mailbag/p1_canas_0328.jpg

then Canas better not appear in public again.

Appearance doesn't matter!!
Like this guy.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/roger.jpg
Would you believe he's number 1 and only last week beat with a bagel this guy?
http://accel17.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/07/28/97/rafa-nadal.jpg

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 12:23 PM
Appearance doesn't matter!!
Like this guy.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/roger.jpg
Would you believe he's number 1 and only last week beat with a bagel this guy?
http://accel17.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/0/07/28/97/rafa-nadal.jpg

Of course because the man above looks wise and reminds me of Jack Sparrow on that photo ;)

Boja
05-31-2007, 12:45 PM
It's funny how people are so enraged about Canas' infraction even though the facts are clear that this agent was in a medicine given to him by and ATP trainer.

Even if he did dope on purpose (which he obviously did not!) shouldn't he deserve a second chance? People are acting like he killed someone.

I hope Canas beats Vliegen easily.

Fedace
05-31-2007, 12:47 PM
Vliegan is going down in 3 sets. Canas is in best shape of his life, playing best tennis of his life, how can he possibly lose?

malakas
05-31-2007, 12:53 PM
Of course because the man above looks wise and reminds me of Jack Sparrow on that photo

I strive to see any similarity :confused:
http://www.tennis-x.com/images/players/federer.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/thsparrowMS.jpg

diegaa
05-31-2007, 12:58 PM
whats up with the smiley at the title?

oscar_2424
05-31-2007, 12:59 PM
Vliegen in his (dutch) press conference this week, after his win over Gasquet:

V: Cañas can play 10 hours... I can't play ten hours...

V: I don't like those people. It are the rules that when you do your time after being caught you can come back... But still I don't like those people.

V: It's an extra motivation for me to beat Cañas...

Some years ago, in 2005, Vliegen said something in the Belgian Press that he thought there was something fishy about Cañas and Puerta in their Semi-Final.

V: See I was right when I said they were doped...

So Vliegen hates Cañas' guts and he'll beter watch out because every ball will be coming 10km/h faster than normal...

GO VLIEGEN!
willy will kick that guy's ***

35ft6
05-31-2007, 01:07 PM
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on They'd be banning a lot of people. I'm one who believes that drugs and doping are much more common in sports than we're lead to believe. I still hear body builders deny using steroids. :confused:

RMB
05-31-2007, 01:11 PM
i love that guy Vliegen. And hope he wins but i doubt it. Canas should be banned for ever. I think they should do that to everyone who uses drugs in tennis, soccer, basketball and so on

Well, the '"drug" you are talking about was given to him by none other that the ATP itself!!!!

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 01:12 PM
I strive to see any similarity
http://www.tennis-x.com/images/players/federer.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/thsparrowMS.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/roger.jpg

http://jeffreykishner.com/images/captain_jack_sparrow.jpg

They are the same person ^_^

willy will kick that guy's ***

Damn straight!

oscar_2424
05-31-2007, 02:08 PM
both of them look gay.

Baghdatis72
05-31-2007, 02:15 PM
both of them look gay.

Rofl :lol:

Federer has the edge though (as always) ;)

edberg505
05-31-2007, 02:46 PM
Vliegan is going down in 3 sets. Canas is in best shape of his life, playing best tennis of his life, how can he possibly lose?

I dunno, maybe the same way he lost in Rome and Hamburg. To be honest, I don't think it's left entirely up to him wether he wins or loses. He has to hope and pray that his opponent isn't on that day and hitting their shots.

David L
05-31-2007, 10:11 PM
Get your facts straight. Canas was given cough/throat medicine by a tournament doctor at a tournament in Mexico that contained diuretics. Diuretics are medicines that induce increased urination and are used by dopers to mask the use of performance enhancing drugs. Canas successfully appealed the sentence on the basis that he did not take those drugs voluntarily and it was given to him by none other than a tournament director. The ATP still fined him with 15 months suspension because a player is responsible for taking meds even if others give it to him.Wrong. A lot of misinformation flying around. This has all been debated before, below. Canas lost his appeal, the original decision was upheld. He was never able to supply any proof to support his story, but the ATP generously gave him the benefit of the doubt out of compassion and reduced the duration of his ban. Also, the ATP did not supply the medicine he claims he took.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126299

LeftyServe
06-01-2007, 02:16 AM
Wrong. A lot of misinformation flying around. This has all been debated before, below. Canas lost his appeal, the original decision was upheld. He was never able to supply any proof to support his story, but the ATP generously gave him the benefit of the doubt out of compassion and reduced the duration of his ban. Also, the ATP did not supply the medicine he claims he took.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126299

How's your reading comprehension? Research skills? The source to which you yourself link proves your comment wrong:

"Last May, Canas had the original two-year ban cut on appeal after CAS agreed he had not knowingly taken a banned diuretic when he was given medicine by staff at the Mexican Open in February 2005."

The "staff" referred to in the quote is the physician contracted by the ATP to treat players at that tourney. And the ATP did not give him any benefit of the doubt. It was the CAS, a separate arbitrating body, who acknowledged that Canas proved his defense and that he did not knowingly ingest the substance. An absurd zero-tolerance policy which sees fit to punish even unintentional ingestion is what led to the suspension. So not only is it ignorant to claim that Canas is a "doper," but it's slanderous as well. I wonder if it's those who are the loudest in their condemnations who are the secret cheaters, the ones who revel in either the guilt or thrill at not yet being caught. They just love pointing fingers.

pound cat
06-01-2007, 02:28 AM
This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

I think that was some other player who accidentally took his wife's medication. (Puerta???) There are quite a few excses from several players & they're hard to keep straight.

David L
06-01-2007, 03:14 AM
How's your reading comprehension? Research skills? The source to which you yourself link proves your comment wrong:

"Last May, Canas had the original two-year ban cut on appeal after CAS agreed he had not knowingly taken a banned diuretic when he was given medicine by staff at the Mexican Open in February 2005."

The "staff" referred to in the quote is the physician contracted by the ATP to treat players at that tourney. And the ATP did not give him any benefit of the doubt. It was the CAS, a separate arbitrating body, who acknowledged that Canas proved his defense and that he did not knowingly ingest the substance. An absurd zero-tolerance policy which sees fit to punish even unintentional ingestion is what led to the suspension. So not only is it ignorant to claim that Canas is a "doper," but it's slanderous as well. I wonder if it's those who are the loudest in their condemnations who are the secret cheaters, the ones who revel in either the guilt or thrill at not yet being caught. They just love pointing fingers.I provided a link to the thread discussion, not the BBC website. The BBC report is very light on details and facts. Like all mainstream reporting, they get a lot of things wrong. My information did not come from the BBC, because it is not reliable. Here is a more detailed report. Also, if you go to the ATP website, you can get an even more detailed report.

The most damaging testimony to Canas' cause came from the tournament physicians — Dr. Mercader and Dr. Chinchilla — who both testified that:

1. They do not recall treating Canas at the tournament.
2. They kept detailed records of player treatments at the tournament and have no record of Canas being treated.
3. They stocked the tournament treatment center with prescription medication to treat sore throats and colds and therefore would not have to write a prescription for Canas since they already had medication on site.
4. Medication containing HCT is not used in treatment of sore throats, colds or the flu and they would be reluctant to prescribe HCT to a tennis player for any purpose as it is a diuretic and could lead to dehydration in the Acapulco heat, which would be medically inadvisable and potentially dangerous to a player's health.

Dr. Chinchilla said in his sworn testimony that he knows Canas and would not have to refer to his log book to remember if he had treated him because it would have been "an honor" to treat him. The doctor said there is no possible way he would not remember treating Canas. Ultimately, the doctor's testimony was found to be more credible than Canas'

According to the ATP Anti-Doping Tribunal documentation of Canas' appeal:

* The prescription Canas claims was written has never been produced by Canas. In Mexico a prescription is not required for a substance containing HCT therefore the pharmacy would not keep it, but presumably the person who picked up the prescription would have it.
* The person alleged to have picked up the prescription has not been produced by Canas' team to corroborate his story.
* Canas did not keep the box or bottle that contained the pills he claims to have taken.
* Additionally, Canas did not check with his own doctors or the tournament doctors to ensure the medication he was about to take did not violate the ATP's anti-doping rules.
* Since the tournament was in Mexico, the prescription would have been printed in Spanish, Canas' native language, yet Canas claims he did not read the label on the medication.
* The ATP concluded that neither tournament physician treated Canas.

"The tribunal in Switzerland that will be judging this case is independent," Ducote told Tennis Week. "Basically, we feel a tribunal selected by the ATP cannot be independent. There shouldn't be any surprises (this time)."

http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=13595

TheNatural
06-01-2007, 03:16 AM
Vliegen will win

Fedace
06-01-2007, 03:16 AM
Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay

Batoussai
06-01-2007, 04:01 AM
Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay

???

Fanboyalert

???

Federer - Cañas isn't a walkover for Willy... If Willy makes it past Vliegen today... I wouldn't call it simple for him...

Andres
06-01-2007, 05:30 AM
Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay
He faces Nalbandian, then Davydenko, then Federer.

Tough task, if you ask me.

Baghdatis72
06-01-2007, 05:31 AM
Vamos Canas bagel him!!! :D

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 05:34 AM
Hopefully Vliegen creams the juicer.

oscar_2424
06-01-2007, 05:35 AM
Vamos Canas bagel him!!! :D

i second that vamos WIlly!

Ripper
06-01-2007, 05:41 AM
Willy, he's just trying to get you ****ed, to make you play badly. So, please, after you beat him, get high on something and kick the crap out of him!

Baghdatis72
06-01-2007, 05:43 AM
Hopefully Vliegen creams the juicer.

No way Jose ;)

ACE of Hearts
06-01-2007, 05:47 AM
Dont sleep on Juan Monaco as well, whose playing very well.

goforgold99
06-01-2007, 05:54 AM
Where do you find this interview?

It's not on the Roland garros website

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 05:55 AM
Hopefully Vliegen fulfills his intentions and wins 1 for the "clean" athletes.

Ripper
06-01-2007, 05:59 AM
Hopefully Vliegen fulfills his intentions and wins 1 for the "clean" athletes.

I like how you wrote "clean" between quotation marks, lol!

Oh and you keep hoping my friend...

Fedace
06-01-2007, 06:01 AM
???

Fanboyalert

???

Federer - Cañas isn't a walkover for Willy... If Willy makes it past Vliegen today... I wouldn't call it simple for him...

If federer faces Canas again in semis, fed will be so psyched out, he will be having accidents in his pants and it will be a easy win for Canas.;)

ACE of Hearts
06-01-2007, 06:02 AM
Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 06:02 AM
I like how you wrote "clean" between quotation marks, lol!

Oh and you keep hoping my friend...

Well Vliegen is one of the "clean" tennis players. Actually most are. Then there are others who unfortunately infect the tour, and the more they lose, the sooner they are cleansed from tournaments the better.

malakas
06-01-2007, 06:03 AM
Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

Ditto!Vliegen in 4!

oscar_2424
06-01-2007, 06:15 AM
Ditto!Vliegen in 4!

is not gonna happen.

Fedace
06-01-2007, 06:23 AM
Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman:confused:

federerfanatic
06-01-2007, 06:24 AM
HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman:confused:

Canas is just a very good journeyman, he is not an elite. I would rather root for the clean journeyman, then the doped journeyman anyday.

Ripper
06-01-2007, 06:28 AM
HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman:confused:

Canas is just a very good journeyman, he is not an elite.

Hummm, let's see. Logic tells me that the very good journeyman (to use your own words) should win over the lowly one, regardless of which one wipes his butt better and, therefore, is "cleaner", lol!

jmverdugo
06-01-2007, 06:48 AM
Well Vliegen is one of the "clean" tennis players. Actually most are. Then there are others who unfortunately infect the tour, and the more they lose, the sooner they are cleansed from tournaments the better.

Are you sure? ...

Batoussai
06-01-2007, 06:55 AM
Where do you find this interview?

It's not on the Roland garros website

It was an interview with Belgian Press that only came on tv here in Belgium...

He really said it :p...

(Damn, he's not doing good :confused:)

Baghdatis72
06-01-2007, 07:03 AM
Vamos Canas once again! :D

diegaa
06-01-2007, 08:23 AM
*SPOILER* on sight.



























Vliegen must eat his words now. And many of you too.

Rhino
06-01-2007, 08:25 AM
Vliegen must eat his words now. And many of you too.

Why? I'm sure he still believes what he believes, and has the guts to say it even now. This result doesn't suddenly mean Canas was honest, it just means what we all knew anyway: Vliegen isn't much of a threat at the French.

Baghdatis72
06-01-2007, 08:28 AM
Edited for spoiler reasons :(

diegaa
06-01-2007, 08:34 AM
Why? I'm sure he still believes what he believes, and has the guts to say it even now. This result doesn't suddenly mean Canas was honest, it just means what we all knew anyway: Vliegen isn't much of a threat at the French.

I didnt mean he was proven right or wrong. But he should have chosen his words more wisely. I STILL believe Cañas is innocent and many players dont care to know the facts and say whatever comes first to their mind. And thats pretty stupid if you ask me.

David L
06-01-2007, 09:51 AM
I didnt mean he was proven right or wrong. But he should have chosen his words more wisely. I STILL believe Cañas is innocent and many players dont care to know the facts and say whatever comes first to their mind. And thats pretty stupid if you ask me.He's done his time, so it's in the past now, but I'm curious to know why you and others are convinced he did'nt take anything before his suspension? Are you so confident, you would put your house or life on it, or do you not really care that much about it anyway?

diegaa
06-01-2007, 10:01 AM
He's done his time, so it's in the past now, but I'm curious to know why you and others are convinced he did'nt take anything before his suspension? Are you so confident, you would put your house or life on it, or do you not really care that much about it anyway?

no, to be honest, I wouldnt bet anything on it. But i wouldnt bet anything on any player. he could have done something wrong, but he sure didnt mean that and it was proven that way.

David L
06-01-2007, 10:11 AM
no, to be honest, I wouldnt bet anything on it. But i wouldnt bet anything on any player. he could have done something wrong, but he sure didnt mean that and it was proven that way.This is what I'm wondering. Are you confident he was not aware of taking any banned substances, and if so, what has convinced you?

Morrissey
06-01-2007, 11:07 AM
No way Jose ;)

just ignore the loser. I thought you had him on you ignore list.