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tennis23
06-06-2007, 01:38 PM
Hi,

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the fact that both Nadal and Roger use smaller grip sizes a major contributing factor in their success? I know I personally use a 4 5/8 with and overwrap (POG OS) and really am seriously thinking of going to a smaller size raquet (95) and grip size 4 3/8 to see I experience any difference.

I am curious what Nadal and Federer actually use? I heard they were smaller.
Thanks
Brian

Rulo
06-06-2007, 02:53 PM
Rafael Nadal:
Grip: Babolat Syntec Grip
Overgrip: Babolat VS Original Overgrip (White)
Grip Size: 4 1/4 - L2

Roger Federer:
Grip: Wilson Leather Grip
Overgrip: Wilson Pro Overgrip (White)
Grip Size: 4 3/8 - L3

tennisfa
06-06-2007, 03:22 PM
for Federer, he uses several layers of over grip. it depends on his opponent and what he feels like on that day.

jasoncho92
06-06-2007, 03:56 PM
Im pretty sure he only uses one. But he started overlapping them more

BreakPoint
06-06-2007, 04:17 PM
Im pretty sure he only uses one. But he started overlapping them more
How do you know? Do you have a source? Thanks

tennis23
06-06-2007, 05:09 PM
I have been playing with a 4 5/8 POG for so long with a Prince Overwrap, that I am not sure I could change. However, I am thinking that there could be some benefit to going down.

Any comments on why the smaller size is preferred by these 2 top folks?

Regards,
Brian

alan-n
06-06-2007, 06:34 PM
Babalot grip sizes feel 1 size larger than what they are rated at, even Tennis warehouse sales page confirms this.

chiru
06-06-2007, 10:24 PM
How do you know? Do you have a source? Thanks

I saw a clip once of him wrapping an overgrip at a tournament when he was playing with the tour 90 pj. He only wrapped one over the leather and i doubt he's changed much since then (i think he had already started his dominance by that point). I donno if i can find that clip tho, it was on youtube tho...

Keifers
06-06-2007, 10:54 PM
I picked up an old racquet of mine recently and was shocked at how much bigger the grip was compared to my current sticks -- by one size, easily. For me, the smaller grip certainly makes switching between Eastern and Continental and SW grips easier.

Mr. Sean
06-06-2007, 11:11 PM
I play with a 4 and 1/4 when im supposed to be a 3/8. In my opinion it helps on the serve by allowing the wrist to pronate easier. Its good for the groundstrokes if you have proper mechanics. From what I hear it gives you more topspin.

BreakPoint
06-06-2007, 11:21 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

ericsson
06-06-2007, 11:38 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

agree here + the fact it gives me nasty blisters but thats more a personal thing i guess...

TalkingTennis91
06-12-2007, 03:32 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

Dude, Breakpoint said it perfectly.

tennisinoc
06-12-2007, 03:53 PM
I have been playing with a 4 5/8 POG for so long with a Prince Overwrap, that I am not sure I could change. However, I am thinking that there could be some benefit to going down.

Any comments on why the smaller size is preferred by these 2 top folks?

Regards,
Brian

Why are you trying to change it if it works for you? If you are planning on changing your grip style and stroke, then might as well try it smaller. If not, I wouldn't recommend it.

JayxTheKoolest
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

Actually, I've found that smaller grips hurt both my serves and volleys. I also agree that the stability of the larger grip size on groundstrokes is important.

I discovered this after trying to go down from a 4 1/2 (with leather grip) to a 4 1/4 (with leather grip and two overgrips). It just did not work.

Teh_pwnerer
06-12-2007, 04:36 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

Exactly smaller less stable, i think that 4 1/2 is like in between of all of them maybe 3/8 but im pretty comfortable with a 1/2 rite now, as for fed and nad, nadal definetly uses 1/4 for the ammount of spin he generates as for fed i bet its 3/8

JayxTheKoolest
06-12-2007, 04:47 PM
Exactly smaller less stable, i think that 4 1/2 is like in between of all of them maybe 3/8 but im pretty comfortable with a 1/2 rite now, as for fed and nad, nadal definetly uses 1/4 for the ammount of spin he generates as for fed i bet its 3/8

The grips go from 0-6, so the sizes 3-4 are the middle (3/8 and 1/2).

AlpineCadet
06-12-2007, 05:37 PM
I'll make this quick. ;)

Grip sizing for a person mostly depends on personal preference. I am 4 5/8ths according to Wilson's hand-sizing chart, but I don't use that big of a grip. Again, personal comfort should matter most. Just remember this: a bigger grip size will provide better stability, which translates into more power, while a smaller grip size will allow a broader range of motion for your wrist, which translates into faster racket snap/motion. Keep in mind that if you go one size too small, you'll have a problem with a 'fluttering' non-stable wrist. I'm not sure how going one size too big will effect your game, since I've never personally experienced it.

AlpineCadet
06-12-2007, 05:40 PM
There is no magic grip size since we all have different hand sizes.

califsurferboy33
06-12-2007, 06:27 PM
my pure drive has a 3/8ths grip, and i use a tourna grip (anyone know how think this is? well i then switched to a overgrip that was .07mm and all of a sudden it seemed that i was hitting the ball with more power. i don't know if i was just getting more spin or i was actaully hitting the ball with more power. i then switched back to the tourna grip and i was hitting the ball regular again. who knows

JayxTheKoolest
06-12-2007, 08:59 PM
There is no magic grip size since we all have different hand sizes.

Yes, absolutely true. We all have different hands and preferences.

bluetrain4
06-12-2007, 09:31 PM
These days, standard sizing is moot. Go with what's comfortable, even if it is smaller than what traditionally has been considered normal.

Bigger grips made sense for classic eastern forehands. But with the whippy motions to day, smaller grips make that easier for a lot of people. Problem is a smaller grip can be good for one stroke and not so good for another, which someone else suggsted.

I can play fine with 4 and 3/8 or 4 and 1/2, both with an overgrip, but prefer the smaller size. Plus, it's easier to bulk up a smaller grip should your preference change than decrease the size of a larger grip.

tennis_hand
06-12-2007, 10:42 PM
Fed probably has a small hand. His 4 3/8 and 1 overgrip still leaves him some gap between ring finger and the palm. and he is 1.85m tall. Imagine such a tall guy use a 4 3/8. it is his hand size.

smaller grip makes u want to use wrist a lot. and that is bad.

grizzly4life
06-12-2007, 10:59 PM
Fed probably has a small hand. His 4 3/8 and 1 overgrip still leaves him some gap between ring finger and the palm. and he is 1.85m tall. Imagine such a tall guy use a 4 3/8. it is his hand size.

smaller grip makes u want to use wrist a lot. and that is bad.


does federer have a space there? i didn't think so.

FWIW (not much), i've moved to smaller grip and i really like it, and i have big hands..... get much, much more spin and control. large grip is good for rallying straight ahead and deep, but anything else and i find it's not so great..... and i like the smaller grip moving the frame back towards a more balanced weighting (as building up my grip made it way too HL..... i like buying them smaller and building them up, although you could buy them bigger grip brand new and i suppose you won't have the HL problem)

tennis_hand
06-13-2007, 12:18 AM
check his photos. there is some space. u'll have big trouble playing in atp, if u can cross ur ring finger.

PackardDell
07-03-2007, 10:31 AM
I use L4 + overgrip.

PackardDell
07-03-2007, 10:33 AM
i got this pic from
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/Gripsize/Gripsize.html

http://av.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/Gripsize/handruler.GIF

are these inches or centimeters?

BobFL
07-03-2007, 10:47 AM
are these inches or centimeters?

Are you serious?:-D
Inches, of course.

PS can you imagine grip size with 4.5 cm circumference? :-D

PackardDell
07-04-2007, 06:31 AM
according to that pic my hand is about 12.5 cm

that is about 4.9 inch

Is that L3 ? L4? or L5?

http://www.onlineconversion.com/length_common.htm (a useful conv applet)

PackardDell
07-04-2007, 06:34 AM
btw: 12.0 cm is about 4.7 inch (12.0 cm is a second measurement, a bit more accurate is this one i think)

BreakPoint
07-04-2007, 10:44 AM
btw: 12.0 cm is about 4.7 inch (12.0 cm is a second measurement, a bit more accurate is this one i think)
Looks like you're an L5 ( 4 5/8 )

PackardDell
07-05-2007, 01:28 AM
ok thanks for that

At the moment I use a Head L4 + overgrip. That is a right choice i see

AlpineCadet
07-05-2007, 01:45 AM
The only way you can tell what's right for you is to ACTUALLY try out the grip sizes over a long period of time. You can decide right here and now what grip size you'd prefer, but in the end, what works best for you will always take experimentation and practice time. Just because a specific pro uses a specific grip size, doesn't mean you'll automatically play better if you copy him/her.

dennis1188
07-06-2007, 02:48 AM
I currently use a 4 1/4 for serve games (serve/volley).
I switch to my 4 3/8 for return games (better return of service and 1 hd/bkhd).

welcome2petrkordaland
07-06-2007, 03:17 AM
I'll make this quick. ;)

Grip sizing for a person mostly depends on personal preference. I am 4 5/8ths according to Wilson's hand-sizing chart, but I don't use that big of a grip. Again, personal comfort should matter most. Just remember this: a bigger grip size will provide better stability, which translates into more power, while a smaller grip size will allow a broader range of motion for your wrist, which translates into faster racket snap/motion. Keep in mind that if you go one size too small, you'll have a problem with a 'fluttering' non-stable wrist. I'm not sure how going one size too big will effect your game, since I've never personally experienced it.


Okay, i like what Alpine says. i think many comments on this thread fail to mention the importance of HOW MUCH WRIST is used in your strokes. i happen you use, although not technically ideal i realize, a lot of wrist on both my fh and bh and i've found that smaller grips 1/4 works the best and allows much CONTROL. so it's all about how wristy your shots are. i'd add that one-handed bh are suited for smaller grips whereas a 2 hander can get away get a bigger grip since they use 2 hands, naturally

a guy
07-06-2007, 03:58 AM
I'm a 4 3/8 man myself.

BreakPoint
07-06-2007, 11:05 AM
i'd add that one-handed bh are suited for smaller grips whereas a 2 hander can get away get a bigger grip since they use 2 hands, naturally
I'd say it's the other way around. Larger grips are much better for 1HBH's because since you only have one hand on the grip, you need to to have more grip to get your thumb behind, which is really for the most part, the only part of your hand behind the shot. You can get away with smaller grips with 2HBH's because you have two hands on the grip to keep a smaller grip from twisting in your hands.

I'm guessing you hit a 2HBH?

TennisFrkJC92
07-06-2007, 06:11 PM
Can you get a smaller size and if you want to bulk it up, use 2 overgrips? Would that affect your gameplay regarding feel, shock, maneuverability, slippage, etc...?

welcome2petrkordaland
07-07-2007, 12:02 AM
I'd say it's the other way around. Larger grips are much better for 1HBH's because since you only have one hand on the grip, you need to to have more grip to get your thumb behind, which is really for the most part, the only part of your hand behind the shot. You can get away with smaller grips with 2HBH's because you have two hands on the grip to keep a smaller grip from twisting in your hands.

I'm guessing you hit a 2HBH?

break point, i actually use a one hander with an extreme western grip where my thumb is in the "thumbs up" position perpendicular to where i'm trying to hit the ball (and not tucked down making a fist), if you know what i'm saying. and i use a tremendous amount of wrist through contact, which i know is not ideal. i'm surprised idon't have wrist probs, esp. using polys. overall, i don't know about 2 handers; i'm just kind of generalizing about my bh stroke and how i've noticed larger grip sizes of friends who have 2 handers. with a lot of wrist use in a 1 hander, a smaller grip allows me to have more control.

BreakPoint
07-07-2007, 12:50 AM
break point, i actually use a one hander with an extreme western grip where my thumb is in the "thumbs up" position perpendicular to where i'm trying to hit the ball (and not tucked down making a fist), if you know what i'm saying. and i use a tremendous amount of wrist through contact, which i know is not ideal. i'm surprised idon't have wrist probs, esp. using polys. overall, i don't know about 2 handers; i'm just kind of generalizing about my bh stroke and how i've noticed larger grip sizes of friends who have 2 handers. with a lot of wrist use in a 1 hander, a smaller grip allows me to have more control.
OK, well, whatever works for you. I was referring more to the conventional eastern backhand grip, which I use. For that grip, you want a larger grip because you need to have your thumb behind the shots.

PackardDell
07-07-2007, 07:52 AM
some useful info I found on a website

Grip Sizing

The grip sizes of tennis racquets have two units of measure -- European and American. The European sizing ranges from L1 to L6 in increments of one unit (L1, L2, L3, etc.). The equivalent American sizes range from 4-1/8" to 4-3/4" in increments of 1/8 inch. The American sizes represent the circumference of the handle, which can be measured with any flexible tape measure. Handle sizes on beginner junior racquets can also go below the range listed in the conversion table below:

L1 = 4-1/8 inches
L2 = 4-1/4 inches
L3 = 4-3/8 inches
L4 = 4-1/2 inches
L5 = 4-5/8 inches
L6 = 4-3/4 inches

TREX
07-09-2007, 06:59 PM
smaller hands for his height. That or somebody is wrong about grip size.

All this talk about Wrist in strokes is hooey. There are 2 strokes that require or benefit from wrist pronation. The serve and overhead. Holding the grip loosely and with a continental to eastern backhand grip allows this with little regard to grip size.

Film of Aggasi shows that the wrist does not roll on his groundstroks. Topspin is generated with a low to high motion and the longer the racquet stays on the path toward the ball the more likely a clean stroke.

if you cant slide your forefinger of your off hand (Or almost do it) into the gap on your gripped racquet you are probably playing with a grip too small.

quest01
07-09-2007, 07:59 PM
Ive heard that using a smaller grip size may increase the chance of tennis elbow.

leonidas1982
11-29-2007, 10:17 PM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

what is your grip size?

Fedace
11-29-2007, 10:39 PM
I use 4 7/8 grip size, bigger that better

BreakPoint
11-30-2007, 12:19 AM
what is your grip size?
Now, 4 1/2 with leather grips plus a thick overgrip. I used to use a 4 5/8 as a kid but just bare leather grips.

tzinc
11-30-2007, 12:38 AM
I currently use a 4 1/4 for serve games (serve/volley).
I switch to my 4 3/8 for return games (better return of service and 1 hd/bkhd).

Cool. Is everything other then grip size the same with the racquets? What racquets and string set ups do you use?

2shots
11-30-2007, 03:19 AM
Does grip size not relate to the size of you hand? Surely the experience of using for example a 4 3/8 grip, will feel different for someone with large hands in comparison to someone with small hands

SempreSami
11-30-2007, 05:49 AM
I find the size 4 grip on my [K]90 to feel a lot more comfortable than that on my old racquet. Might be the leather grip, I dunno.

Jackie T. Stephens
11-30-2007, 05:51 AM
I use 4 7/8 grip size, bigger that better

What??? I couldn't have even gripped something like that.

slice bh compliment
11-30-2007, 06:34 AM
I use 4 7/8 grip size, bigger that better

I'm about the same height as Sampras, with similar ape-like build, one-handed BH and eastern FH. And the same size grip, 4 and 3/4.

According to that grip size measurement technique, I ought to be using a 5 and 1/4. Yeah, that's a little much. A 4 and 7/8 would fit me best, I think. I do like the whip I get from the 'smaller' (4 and 3/4) grip I use, but I find what BP said is true if I demo a size 4. Feels like a pencil, not stable enough on BHs and volleys.

I've shaken hands with Guga. He's about 3 inches taller than me and our hands are about the same size. He used a reeeally small grip, like a quarter or a 3/8 or something. Then you've got a bear like Boris Becker, with a fairly small paw for a big man, hence the small grip.
And regular-sized guys like Mac and Pat Cash look like they use a big grip like a 4 and 5/8 or so.

To each his own, of course. But to generalize...I believe the guys who come in a lot prefer a larger grip. The guys who use a one hander use a bigger grip, but if they go small (e.g. Guga), they use a more extreme BH grip. Don't know how Becker did it with that skinny li'l thang.

Overall, though, it looks like the trend is toward larger guys with smaller grips.

Maestro Nalbandian
11-30-2007, 06:35 AM
Now, 4 1/2 with leather grips plus a thick overgrip. I used to use a 4 5/8 as a kid but just bare leather grips.

I was about to ask a related question but don't want to start another thread. Is leather grip the best way to increase grip size? I got a new 4 1/4 racquet (Yonex) but I normally use either 4 3/8 or 4 1/2. Whats the best way to make it thicker?

slice bh compliment
11-30-2007, 06:39 AM
I was about to ask a related question but don't want to start another thread. Is leather grip the best way to increase grip size? I got a new 4 1/4 racquet (Yonex) but I normally use either 4 3/8 or 4 1/2. Whats the best way to make it thicker?

Leather doesn't really add any size. I use it for the firmness and a little more weight in the handle.

The best way to make your grip larger (besides a new frame or a custom handle) is a heat-shrink sleeve. They come in half-size or full size (1/8 of an inch in circumference).

You will need two 1/8 inch sleeves to get to a size 4. That will obscure some of the bevels, but not too badly.

Balsa wood is another option, but it requires more effort and precision than the sleeves.

Blade0324
12-03-2007, 10:35 AM
I really like the smaller grips myself. By measurement I should be using about 1/2 to 5/8 but use 1/4 with 2 overgrips. I will agree that a larger grip feels more stable on volleys and I have actually gone to using a 1/2 grip racquet for doubles except when I serve. I can generate much more pace and spin on my groundies and serves with the smaller grip. Just my preference through.

cuPlay
12-03-2007, 06:10 PM
Playing for over thirty years and I went to a smaller grip a decade ago. To give you an idea, college grip was 4 5/8 with gauze overwrap, 14 oz rackets with gut over 60+ lbs. Now playing with a 4 1/4 grip, 12 oz. racket with 52-53 lbs. synth. Despite years feeding a million balls and hitting with both retired tour players and a ton of juniors here in ATL, I have no shoulder, elbow or wrist problems. I think the rackets today make it easier to plow through the ball, shaping the shots. I know I hold the racket looser than I did with the bigger grip, which actually allows me more touch on volleys and more pace on serve. Like the great JohnnyMac has said, I have more pop on serve than when I was younger... (now if my knees will just hold up for another 30 years)...:)

wmrhawk
12-16-2007, 09:17 AM
Playing for over thirty years and I went to a smaller grip a decade ago. To give you an idea, college grip was 4 5/8 with gauze overwrap, 14 oz rackets with gut over 60+ lbs. Now playing with a 4 1/4 grip, 12 oz. racket with 52-53 lbs. synth. Despite years feeding a million balls and hitting with both retired tour players and a ton of juniors here in ATL, I have no shoulder, elbow or wrist problems. I think the rackets today make it easier to plow through the ball, shaping the shots. I know I hold the racket looser than I did with the bigger grip, which actually allows me more touch on volleys and more pace on serve. Like the great JohnnyMac has said, I have more pop on serve than when I was younger... (now if my knees will just hold up for another 30 years)...:)

Excellent commentary. is true with me as well. so far the body is holding up. can't remember if my Borg or Vilas racquets were 4 5/8 or 4 1/2, but my k95s are 4 1/4 plus overgrip.

miniRafa386
12-17-2007, 11:43 AM
I'll make this quick. ;)

Grip sizing for a person mostly depends on personal preference. I am 4 5/8ths according to Wilson's hand-sizing chart, but I don't use that big of a grip. Again, personal comfort should matter most. Just remember this: a bigger grip size will provide better stability, which translates into more power, while a smaller grip size will allow a broader range of motion for your wrist, which translates into faster racket snap/motion. Keep in mind that if you go one size too small, you'll have a problem with a 'fluttering' non-stable wrist. I'm not sure how going one size too big will effect your game, since I've never personally experienced it.

yes, along with the pronation and wrist snapping, you can reach those balls that are farther away with more reach and accuracy.

anyone remember the shot federer hit against agassi in dubai 05? dirtiest shot ever.

AlpineCadet
12-17-2007, 12:56 PM
yes, along with the pronation and wrist snapping, you can reach those balls that are farther away with more reach and accuracy.

anyone remember the shot federer hit against agassi in dubai 05? dirtiest shot ever.

Thanks, I'm glad you agree with it :)

tennis_hand
12-27-2007, 07:12 AM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

i agree.

on the forehand, one size smaller doesn't seem to cause much trouble. but for volley and 1HBH, a bigger size is better.

for Fed and Nadal, we don't know their real reason. but blindly copying them with a smaller grip than you are comfortable with is not very smart.

miniRafa386
12-27-2007, 08:03 AM
bp said it, and ill say it again:

small grip: more variety with wrist, meaning more spin, more angle, more control, more feel. less stability, less power, harder to volley, harder to flatten out groundies. idk about serves, but i found that a smaller grip helps with spin and kickers, but harder to hit flat.

large grip: more power, more stability, easier to hit volleys, easier to flatten out groundies and flat serves. less variety with wrist, less spin, less control, less feel, harder to hit spin and kick serves.

miniRafa386
12-27-2007, 08:04 AM
woops, forgot i already had a take on this thread :)

AlpineCadet
12-27-2007, 12:21 PM
bp said it, and ill say it again:

small grip: more variety with wrist, meaning more spin, more angle, more control, more feel. less stability, less power, harder to volley, harder to flatten out groundies. idk about serves, but i found that a smaller grip helps with spin and kickers, but harder to hit flat.

large grip: more power, more stability, easier to hit volleys, easier to flatten out groundies and flat serves. less variety with wrist, less spin, less control, less feel, harder to hit spin and kick serves.
That's not universally true for everyone. If you always hit the sweet spot (the center of the string bed) then the racket won't twist in your hand (like on volleys/1hbhs.) My hand measures as a full 4 5/8, yet if I needed to, I can use 4 1/4 just fine--if I don't mishit.

jasonchu
07-02-2008, 09:21 AM
I really like the smaller grips myself. By measurement I should be using about 1/2 to 5/8 but use 1/4 with 2 overgrips. I will agree that a larger grip feels more stable on volleys and I have actually gone to using a 1/2 grip racquet for doubles except when I serve. I can generate much more pace and spin on my groundies and serves with the smaller grip. Just my preference through.

so you are using a 1/2 grip since 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/8 = 1/2...


that is the right size for your hand... with a little more cushioning. good idea

jasonchu
07-02-2008, 09:26 AM
for those of you who are comfortable with your grip size.....please let us know..


1) brand of racquet... (grip sizes run small on both head due to shape and prokennex vs babolat, prince and wilson which are "traditional true to size")

(if you dont believe this, take a tailor's tape measure and you will see)

2) grip size of racquet and numbe of overgrips you use (1/8 for each overgrip)

3) please take a picture of your hand with the racket in your hand and index finger of other hand between the tips of your fingers and the palm.

4) take a picture of your hand with a ruler .. the zero lined up with the v between your thumb and index finger, and along the ring finger... (the third crease in your hand to the ring finger measurement mentioned in a lot of tennis articles)

this would be a good way to show what is used, get a metric , and maybe even a good observational scientifc study started,.. albeit with a small sample size..

slice bh compliment
07-02-2008, 12:29 PM
Okay, my hand, according to the traditional method (tip of ring finger to second crease), says I ought to use a 5 and 1/4 grip.

I use a 4 and 3/4 grip (a Babolat 4 and 5/8 with one Gamma full size sleeve added).

Leather grip and one Wilson Pro overgrip. This measures to 4 and 7/8 inches.

Technically, I am going down 3 sizes (3/8s of an inch). I like it. I wonder how many sizes Roger and Raf go down...I can't imagine them having small hands/short fingers.

jmoneyh
08-11-2008, 07:36 PM
yea ive used ever grip size ranging from 4 1/4 to 4 5/8 for countless months each. what i can tell u from my experience is that generally i liiked using a larger grip size at first because it gives stablility. also at this time i didnt worry too much on spin. plus, serving in my opinion is easier when u have a big grip size, when ur serving flat that is. but as i gradually got better, i kept going down more and more sizes, and experimented with adding lead tape at the same time to add stability to my racquets and got away with using smaller grip sizes. it definately increases ur spin potential, and so does the lead weight depending on where u put it. and this is why nadal uses a 4 and 1/4 and lead weight at the top of his racquet, and uses that whipping/over the head technique to generate that tremendous spin. fed uses a 4 3/8 his also helps his spin potential. but he likes to hit more flat and penetrating. i can play left handed and right handed btw, and for some reason playing left handed makes me wanna play like how nadal hits. maybe it has to do with the brain since i am naturally right brained

ag200boy
08-12-2008, 07:59 AM
so you are using a 1/2 grip since 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/8 = 1/2...


that is the right size for your hand... with a little more cushioning. good idea

one overgrip is 1/16 not 1/8

and i use a dunlop 4 1/2 grip with one wilson pro overgrip, works like a charm

2nd_Serve
08-12-2008, 07:24 PM
I thought they both used small grip sizes with lots of overgrips.

babolatchaznike
08-12-2008, 08:15 PM
Nadal does not use a replacement grip. just 2-3 overgrips on a 41/4 handle. Not sure about Federer. I perssonally use a 45/8 grip size.

rozy888
01-04-2009, 12:06 PM
i've been using the same size grip since i was 10 and am now 13 and 5ft 11inch. i never realised what difference the size of the grip would make. none of my coaches have pointed this out to me. unfortunatley i found out just how important they are during a match. a few weeks before i had a wrist injury no one knew what it was and during the match my elbow started to hurt. after the match my opponents father pointed out he had this injury and said it was due to his grip being too small. now i think about it makes perfect sense!

DJG
01-04-2009, 09:29 PM
Yes, going too small may as well lead to wrist or elbow issues due to a potential tighter squeeze on the handle. Especially if you are very used to the larger grip.

officerdibble
05-18-2009, 03:37 AM
Just wanted to add in my thoughts to this useful discussion.

Firstly, since everyone has different shot mechanics (even Roger and Rafa do) there's unlikely to be a one-size fits all solution.

Those people who are dogmatically quoting the same grip size advice that was used for wooden rackets are, I suspect, missing the point. Rackets have changed, the game has changed, shot mechanics have changed.

I have gone from a size 5 with heat shrink sleeve and overgrip (probably a 7 in the end) downwards over the years. I intend to try a Dunlop 3 next (I'm currently using a Wilson 4) and see what effect it has. I recently hit a few shots with a size 3 grip and was pleasantly surprised.

Elbow strains are likely to be the result of how you hold whatever you have. It's possible to squeeze any size grip too hard. A lot will also depend on where you hold the grip - do you have the butt in your palm or hold it higher up where it is smaller?

Fortunately, I play with Vantage rackets and they offer the facility to swap around grip shapes and sizes so I can find what works for me without all the other variables of racket and string getting in the way.

andreev_forehand
05-18-2009, 11:56 AM
Fed probably has a small hand. His 4 3/8 and 1 overgrip still leaves him some gap between ring finger and the palm. and he is 1.85m tall. Imagine such a tall guy use a 4 3/8. it is his hand size.

smaller grip makes u want to use wrist a lot. and that is bad.

If using a lot of wrist is bad, then Federer must be an atrocious tennis player.

As others have said smaller grip = more whip/spin, larger grip more stability, i.e. crisper volleys. Although drop volleys are probably easier with small grips, that's one reason you see so many of them on the tour these days.

andreev_forehand
05-18-2009, 12:03 PM
Also as someone else said, old grip sizing charts don't apply anymore, basically use what's comfortable, but be aware that if you want to hit the "whip" style shots that pros use today, you're going to have to go smaller than traditional charts suggest. Someone here suggested that smaller grip sizes make 1HBH hard, but I like it better (by the chart I should be 4 1/2 or 4 5/8 but I use 4 3/8) because I can swing harder and still be assured that the topspin will bring the ball back into the court. I can also create much sharper cross-court angles. I would guess that 4 3/8 is the most popular grip-size on tour right now.

HookEmJeff
05-18-2009, 05:29 PM
I actually play with a Babolat PST with a 4 1/4" grip. I take off the grip that comes with it, and just double up on TournaGrip (basically just replacing the top one when it gets worn, not the bottom).

Have no idea what this actually measure to. I used to do this when I played with Prince 4 3/8" and it was always perfect. Not so much with Babolat. I really think Babolat's grip sizes are a hair bigger, no matter what the numbers say and I have had a hard time getting used to it.

I like to get my hand almost completely around the grip. I definitely hit a lot of topspin, and I like the small grip feel in my hand. I know it's oddly small, but I love it.


Jeff

tonyg11
05-18-2009, 10:15 PM
i'm a 6.0 nptr, 6' 185lbs and use an L2 grip. Why? Because it's comfortable for the strokes and grip i use. I hit hard with lots of spin but with an eastern grip. So the spin comes from the ability to really come up on the ball and flick the wrist at the last moment. The smaller grip size makes it a lot easier for me to do this. It also lets me flatten out the shot whenever i need to.

Josherer
05-19-2009, 04:16 AM
Woah that's real small.

Guido B
05-19-2009, 08:56 AM
Hello, I'm new here.

My question is: nobody has suffered hurts or a lession playing with smaller grips? According to charts I'm 4-1/2" size. I played with 4-3/8" and my hand wrap the whole grip and my fingers practically over my thumb. I didn't like that so much. Now changed my grip to 4-1/2" but i'm affeared that it will be too large. :???:

Guido B
05-19-2009, 09:03 AM
I post again cause I can't edit.
I played with 4-3/8" + overgrip. Now I have 4-1/2" + overgrip. I didn't use yet, its fells good when i catch the raquet, but sometimes I think if it's too large or not :???:

Sorry for my not well English.

jetlee2k
05-21-2009, 12:54 AM
But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.

I don't know about this.. I can play with all kind of grip 5, 4,3,2,1.. but I meant I found that my KPS88 4 1/4 is perfect set up for me.. I can change grip quickly and fast on return of serve and volley.. It depends how and where you hold your racket too.. Fed, Nadal hold the racket way at the end of the handle.. The butt cap practically hit your palm.. The smaller grip benefit for this way.. Beside, their arm very very relax until ball contact so this helps to relax the arm as well as put more spin into it.. I don't feel it unstable at all but the opposite.. Bigger grip force you to hold the racket tighter that makes your arm less relax..

robbo1970
07-12-2011, 06:04 AM
My Wilson Rally2 and Dunlop Graphite Fort both have 4 1/2 grip sizes, but I removed the worn leather grips and replaced with just 1 overgrip on each.

Nice feel in my hand and excellent racquet speed and control.

No idea on what size that makes my actual grip and I'm not going to measure it either lol, I just know it works for me. :)

FederGOAT
07-12-2011, 07:26 AM
I use a 4 1/4 with 1 wilson overgrip, tried a 4 3/8 but it was just too big for me.

Rogael Naderer
08-03-2011, 12:26 PM
Nadal does not use a replacement grip. just 2-3 overgrips on a 41/4 handle. Not sure about Federer. I perssonally use a 45/8 grip size.

Just saw this randomly: http://ib3noticies.com/20110803_159744-rafel-nadal-entrena-fort-abans-de-partir-a-montreal.html 1.35...

ben123
08-03-2011, 02:48 PM
Just saw this randomly: http://ib3noticies.com/20110803_159744-rafel-nadal-entrena-fort-abans-de-partir-a-montreal.html 1.35...

http://www.youtube.com/user/BABOLATWorld#p/u/1/kvUr_NJoz28

robbo1970
09-05-2011, 08:12 AM
According to the sizing guides, I measure up as being a 4 1/2, so I tried that but its far too big. It feels like the racket is taking over my hand as opposed to me controlling the racket.

So I've gone back to a trusted 4 1/4 but with two overgrips instead of the standard grip, purely because I want the 4 1/4 size but prefer the feel of tournagrip.

That seems to work ok for all strokes and quick manoeverability at the net so I guess its really all down to personal preference and what suits your playing style. I guess the sizing guides are a good starting point but at the end of the day, its a case of going with what works for you.

newton296
10-11-2011, 10:39 AM
how much does the new comfort grip add to the grip size?

because of (TE) I have to ditch my beloved babolat skin feel grips . their basically like grabbing directly on the handle, no cushion at all. they are on a 4 3/8 grip. I wonder when I go to buy a new comfort grip if that will add bulk and how much?

I want to stay at 4-3/8, so I'm thinking of buying a 4-1/4 and adding the comfort grip. yes?

anyone's help is appreciated.

Benhur
10-14-2011, 04:01 PM
That's not universally true for everyone. If you always hit the sweet spot (the center of the string bed) then the racket won't twist in your hand (like on volleys/1hbhs.) My hand measures as a full 4 5/8, yet if I needed to, I can use 4 1/4 just fine--if I don't mishit.

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Benhur
10-14-2011, 04:04 PM
bp said it, and ill say it again:

small grip: more variety with wrist, meaning more spin, more angle, more control, more feel. less stability, less power, harder to volley, harder to flatten out groundies. idk about serves, but i found that a smaller grip helps with spin and kickers, but harder to hit flat.

large grip: more power, more stability, easier to hit volleys, easier to flatten out groundies and flat serves. less variety with wrist, less spin, less control, less feel, harder to hit spin and kick serves.

I kind of disagree about small grip giving you better control.

Anything related to wrist action is helped by a smaller grip. It feels comfortable too. Whippy. But when you talk about control, it seems to me the smaller the grip the less precision you have in controling the angle of the racquet face with respect to the ground. It's similar to what happens with a small vs large dial control on a device. Say you want to move the volume control on your amp by a small amount corresponding to 1 degree. On a small knob, it will be much more difficult to be precise than on a larger one. Imagine a racquet grip that is really, really narrow. My feeling is you would have much more difficulty in your awareness and control of small variations in the angle of the racquet face. It's a matter of finding the right balance. For guys like Federer or Nadal, they probably have such delicate control and awareness of these minute variations that they can afford to give up some of the control in return for the advantages of the wrist action they get from a grip too small for their size. For the average weekend player, playing with a grip too small for their size would cause a lot more errors.

robbo1970
10-21-2011, 04:46 AM
Rafa....

Looks to me like one overgrip over the original grip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAMQCAJUar4

PrinceMoron
10-21-2011, 06:52 AM
His grip on the Coupe des Mousquetaires is looking very thin.

Cup8489
10-21-2011, 04:05 PM
He also wraps righty. Weird, no?

TTMR
10-21-2011, 05:23 PM
I have a large hand, so I've often had to play with smaller grips before I knew anything about racquets.

I would say:

Bigger grip - better forehand and backhand due to stability/lack of wrist movement

Smaller grip - better serve, volleys, slice, droppers and other touch shots

Cup8489
10-21-2011, 06:13 PM
I have a large hand, so I've often had to play with smaller grips before I knew anything about racquets.

I would say:

Bigger grip - better forehand and backhand due to stability/lack of wrist movement

Smaller grip - better serve, volleys, slice, droppers and other touch shots

Actually, most people feel the smaller grip helps with wrist snap for serves and groundstrokes, but can potentially adversely affect volleys. I found this to be true myself, as I volley better with a 4 1/2 POG as opposed to my usual 4 3/8 (everything but the grip was the same, doesn't get much more objective than that)

PrinceMoron
10-23-2011, 12:22 PM
My friends/coaches let me in the Samsung Open string shop, and the pros' grips were between a 2 and a 3, with a skinny overgrip. Just felt like toothpicks to me, coming from a grip 7 1/2.

Six.One.Tour.90FAN
10-23-2011, 03:19 PM
Hi,

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the fact that both Nadal and Roger use smaller grip sizes a major contributing factor in their success? I know I personally use a 4 5/8 with and overwrap (POG OS) and really am seriously thinking of going to a smaller size raquet (95) and grip size 4 3/8 to see I experience any difference.

I am curious what Nadal and Federer actually use? I heard they were smaller.
Thanks
Brian

.....WRONG, please don't assume they are great because of their grip size....

90

Six.One.Tour.90FAN
10-23-2011, 03:21 PM
But yeah, experiment and see what works best, just because one person has a small grip doesn't give them an advantage. Also, players like monfils, karlovic and safin had HUGE grips

90

PigsPlayTennis
10-24-2011, 08:31 PM
My Coach tells me to remove my undergrip and wrap two overgrips so the grip is smaller and i can "feel" the sharp points of the handle. He says it helps put spin if your grip is smaller. I for one, like having the undergrip much more comfortable.
Btw. I believe Nadal uses 4 1/8. For more spin.

Cup8489
10-24-2011, 08:44 PM
But yeah, experiment and see what works best, just because one person has a small grip doesn't give them an advantage. Also, players like monfils, karlovic and safin had HUGE grips

90

Safin used a 4 1/2.. Monfils a 4 5/8. Bigger grips, but not huge. I have small hands and am rated for a 4 1/2

morten
10-25-2011, 08:03 AM
My Coach tells me to remove my undergrip and wrap two overgrips so the grip is smaller and i can "feel" the sharp points of the handle. He says it helps put spin if your grip is smaller. I for one, like having the undergrip much more comfortable.
Btw. I believe Nadal uses 4 1/8. For more spin.

Nadal uses 4 1/4.. and IMO gripsize is very individual.. I use fairly thin and hit flat and a lot of finesse and volleys.. Dimitrovs grip is huge btw.

bert96
10-25-2011, 08:26 AM
He also wraps righty. Weird, no?

not really :neutral: many leftys doing this

morten
10-25-2011, 08:50 AM
not really :neutral: many leftys doing this

Mac did and does too...

PrinceMoron
10-25-2011, 01:52 PM
You need to take into account the amount of meat and muscle on the playing hand, not forgetting the bone is thicker too.

All that extra mass clamps down really firm on a "small" grip. Hand can be quite long but all the playing beefs up the hand. I guess the rough skin gets quite thick too. Back in the days I could stick a fork in the palm of my playing hand, and my feet weren't that pretty either....

Sanavan
10-26-2011, 08:28 AM
He also wraps righty. Weird, no?

Nadal is not a lefty. He only play tennis with his left hand. He writes, and do pretty much everything else with his right hand.

Cup8489
10-28-2011, 08:30 AM
Nadal is not a lefty. He only play tennis with his left hand. He writes, and do pretty much everything else with his right hand.

Of course, but he does play tennis with his left hand. Most people wrap their grips according to what hand they use. For instance, I am a lefty and so I anchor the grip with my right hand and wrap it with my left; that way the overlap fits well to my fingers, whereas if I wrapped righty it would feel bumpy and would keep me from properly feeling the bevels..

It took me awhile to figure out how to wrap it properly and cleanly, but I'm glad I did.

Sanavan
10-28-2011, 08:44 AM
Of course, but he does play tennis with his left hand. Most people wrap their grips according to what hand they use. For instance, I am a lefty and so I anchor the grip with my right hand and wrap it with my left; that way the overlap fits well to my fingers, whereas if I wrapped righty it would feel bumpy and would keep me from properly feeling the bevels..

It took me awhile to figure out how to wrap it properly and cleanly, but I'm glad I did.

Fair enough.
My point is that is not weird, he is obviously very coordinated with both hands.

Cup8489
10-28-2011, 08:54 AM
Fair enough.
My point is that is not weird, he is obviously very coordinated with both hands.

No doubt, I wish I was ambidextrous.

ethebull
11-09-2011, 03:56 PM
As a rightie, I wrap my over grips left, like a lefty. I am overly conscious of the feel of the small ribs on the grip surface during play, and find the reverse wrap makes for a more random feel, so I am less distracted during grip changes. I feel where I want to be by the bevels, not the overlap ribs.

I classically fit a 4 1/2 grip by measure. That is what i use and prefer. Smaller feels too whippy and wimpy, bigger feels like bat speed is restricted.

BU-Tennis
03-14-2012, 11:32 AM
I think grip size is one of the least considered factors when purchasing a racquet and it can have some of the greatest impact. I use a 3/8 right now, with a wilson pro overgrip. But it seems when I play without the over grip my shots have more power (I tend to play flatter shots), my serves were better, but mishits did cause more torque in the hand. As for volleys, I can't say they were better or worse from a playability point but again off-center shots did create more torque. But, I think some lead tape at 9 and 3 would reduce this quite a bit.