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federerfanatic
06-09-2007, 11:52 AM
How many slam titles do you believe Justine Henin will end up with this year, with Wimbledon and the U.S Open coming up? Last year she had the great achievement of reaching all 4 finals, but the dissapointment of losing 3 of the 4, only winning the French Open. Might a similar fate, minus the no show in Australia, await her this year, or does she make up for last years final dissapointments in the next 2 majors.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-09-2007, 03:45 PM
The French is her stomping ground....Only the French.

The Gorilla
06-09-2007, 03:59 PM
do you still think she's mentally weak?

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-09-2007, 04:03 PM
do you still think she's mentally weak?

I think like any other player she goes through patches of nerves but she handles it. She is what? 25 or 26 yrs old, she has been around for sometime now and has been in a lot of big matches.

However, I am not a big fan of her sportsmanship but that a whole other story. But do I think she is mentally weak, no. :(

The Gorilla
06-09-2007, 04:05 PM
no, I meant fanatic actually.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-09-2007, 04:44 PM
no, I meant fanatic actually.

My bad. Sorry :-(

navratilovafan
06-09-2007, 05:05 PM
I think she wins Wimbledon and the U.S Open. She is playing very powerful tennis right now, and Serena looks not as commited or fit as she did in Australia.

Nadal_Freak
06-09-2007, 05:18 PM
Serena will win Wimbledon and Henin I think will get the US Open.

navratilovafan
06-09-2007, 05:23 PM
Serena will win Wimbledon and Henin I think will get the US Open.

You could be right. Serena does not look as fit as she was in Australia to me, but on fast grass fitness is not as important though.

theballboy
06-09-2007, 05:59 PM
I think she wins Wimbledon and the U.S Open. She is playing very powerful tennis right now, and Serena looks not as commited or fit as she did in Australia.

Serena is in WAY better shape than she was in Austrlia. For one, she's visibly lighter, by at least ten or fifteen pounds. And she's actually getting match play now. She's played more tournaments (and way more matches) this far in the 07 season than she did all of last year.

navratilovafan
06-09-2007, 06:02 PM
Serena is in WAY better shape than she was in Austrlia. For one, she's visibly lighter, by at least ten or fifteen pounds. And she's actually getting match play now. She's played more tournaments (and way more matches) this far in the 07 season than she did all of last year.

WAY better shape? Are you kidding me. Just look at her during the French Open and how hefty she now is. She was much slimmer in Australia. She also was panting in the 2nd set vs Justine at the French.

blinkinrogue
06-09-2007, 06:17 PM
i think if justine is to win wimbledone, there are 2 factors:
1. The level of play of serena/venus/sharapova/other big hitters - will their level increase for wimbledon? how good will their serves be and will they be consistent? justine will have a rough time against them even if she plays well.
2. Justine's nerves. this has been her downfall in wimby last year. she lost a golden opportunity.

I am thinking that maybe her reuniting with her family had a positive result on her, lets see if it improves her tennis. personally, i think she is much better now (only if her serve is more consistent). and her forehand had improved incredibly.

federerfanatic
06-09-2007, 06:25 PM
Justine will have a hard time with Venus, Serena, or Maria at Wimbledon even if she plays well? ROTFL at Maria. Serena sure. Venus maybe. Maria, hell no. Justine in decent form will always beat the ridiculously overrated Maria Sharapova. Look at Justine's 2 losses to Maria, she played way below her par in both, and 1 was her first match back after a multi year layoff, the other she had a sore shoulder and was serving like doo doo. Justine does not have to worry about Maria, as the only way Maria could touch her on any surface is if her own game and form fall apart.

psamp14
06-09-2007, 06:30 PM
i didnt know what to vote, although i voted for wimbledon or the us open....its all upon serena....sure henin plays such a beautiful game but if serena's game is "on" then no one can stop her....i dont see sharapova winning wimbledon or the us open....semis at best

so its basically henin and serena for my finalists predictions

blinkinrogue
06-09-2007, 06:31 PM
well, we can never tell with sharapova, especially since she won it before IMO. i am a big justine fan, i am only being realistic about her chances, but maybe i should have put quotation marks on sharapova. :o

federerfanatic
06-09-2007, 06:37 PM
well, we can never tell with sharapova, especially since she won it before IMO. i am a big justine fan, i am only being realistic about her chances, but maybe i should have put quotation marks on sharapova. :o

Sorry but I just find Maria so overrated. She plays a one-dimensional power game and is not even unbelievably exceptional at that, just very good but not scary or something that will take you out of your own game. She is devoid of any tactics, variety, has mediocre movement and athletic ability, and no alternative plans other then her A- level power game. Also the only 2times Justine has ever lost to Maria she has played like garbage for her own lofty standards. There are players outside the top 10 Justine has played better matches in her big upset losses to then her 2 losses to Maria, and as I said recall the circumstances of both matches too.

I like Justine too and Maria is not a player I am worried about the least for Justine, and if she were to lose to Maria her form wasnt good enough to have done much of anything anyway.

mentalcase
06-09-2007, 06:48 PM
Sorry but I just find Maria so overrated. She plays a one-dimensional power game and is not even unbelievably exceptional at that, just very good but not scary or something that will take you out of your own game. She is devoid of any tactics, variety, has mediocre movement and athletic ability, and no alternative plans other then her A- level power game. Also the only 2times Justine has ever lost to Maria she has played like garbage for her own lofty standards. There are players outside the top 10 Justine has played better matches in her big upset losses to then her 2 losses to Maria, and as I said recall the circumstances of both matches too.

I like Justine too and Maria is not a player I am worried about the least for Justine, and if she were to lose to Maria her form wasnt good enough to have done much of anything anyway.

True. However, Venus won 3 W and 2 USO with poor technique and Davenport won W and Uso with poor movement. Marias game is very similar to both these players, you can't write her off. Maria can still overpower Justine on fast surfaces.

federerfanatic
06-09-2007, 06:57 PM
True. However, Venus won 3 W and 2 USO with poor technique and Davenport won W and Uso with poor movement. Marias game is very similar to both these players, you can't write her off. Maria can still overpower Justine on fast surfaces.

True that Venus may have poor looking technique but that still becomes irrelevant if it has no bearing on its effectiveness, which IMO it didnt. It isnt figure skating, and you dont get style points. Venus in her great years plays the power game at a much higher level then Maria, in addition to being on another planet in overall athleticism and overall defensive skills. Not to mention being a much smarter player, having a true ability to volley and net play well. You cant even compare the Venus who was winning Wimbledons and U.S Opens to Maria. Maria is a joke compared to the Venus of old.

Davenport is closer to similar to Maria then Venus since her mobility, athletic ability, and overall defensive game, are all even below Maria's. Her ball striking is clearly superior to Maria's though IMO, and that is the primary strength of both. However Maria has that champions mindset moreso then Lindsay had, except maybe for about 2 years for Lindsay. Davenport was still a top player close to her old level, who had just been usurped by the Williams, when Henin coming into her own started beating her regularly.

No I dont think Maria can power her way to victories over an in form Justine. There really isnt a real power difference between them even, Justine is a very big hitter herself, and Maria is not in the league of the very best power players we have seen over the last decade. Maria's power will not overwhelm Justine the way an in form Serena could on a fast surface. Justine has too many options, plays too good of defense, and is too crafty a player for Maria if she is even decent form for her standards. On ANY surface.

donych86
06-09-2007, 06:59 PM
She might find difficulty at the grass court as it could be hard for her to counter strike others' serve-volley game, but her agressive game will translate well into hard court season, I think she might stand a good chance to win in US open if she kept her intensity and stay healthy :)

but who know, she might make it through this year and complete her career slam too

Allez, Justine!

by
http://www.donychstyle.blogspot.com/

crazylevity
06-09-2007, 11:02 PM
She might find difficulty at the grass court as it could be hard for her to counter strike others' serve-volley game, but her agressive game will translate well into hard court season, I think she might stand a good chance to win in US open if she kept her intensity and stay healthy :)

but who know, she might make it through this year and complete her career slam too

Allez, Justine!

by
http://www.donychstyle.blogspot.com/

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!!! Henin, along with Mauresmo, were the only 2 players on the WTA that serve-n-volleyed last Wimbledon!!!!
Who's serve-volley does she have to counter?? Sharapova??

boojay
06-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Justine's so awesome. She's my hero(ine). I hope she has success in the last two slams.

lambielspins
06-10-2007, 05:36 PM
She certainly has the talent to win Wimbledon and the U.S Open. Unfortunately she does not have mental strength. You people forget she lost 3 of 4 slam finals last year, despite being favored in all 4. She is a big time choker who only is able win slam finals vs other mentally weak players. Look at the people she beat in slam finals as proof of this.

federerfanatic
06-10-2007, 10:06 PM
She should win both. We will see if she does.

federerfanatic
06-21-2007, 08:13 AM
Bumping this poll up as we approach Wimbledon.

theballboy
06-21-2007, 08:28 AM
She should win both. We will see if she does.
Actually, Serena should win it. She's the favorite for Wimbledon.

federerfanatic
06-21-2007, 08:29 AM
Actually, Serena should win it. She's the favorite for Wimbledon.

I dont think Serena is in peak form right now, and if Justine was so close to a convincing win on hard courts earlier this year, I think she has a good shot to beat her even on grass, IF she holds her notoriously balky nerve.

theballboy
06-21-2007, 08:36 AM
I dont think Serena is in peak form right now, and if Justine was so close to a convincing win on hard courts earlier this year, I think she has a good shot to beat her even on grass, IF she holds her notoriously balky nerve.

I get ya, but I'm just pointing out- if "should" is an objective term based on common knowledge or the betting houses, or tennis experts, then Serena "should" win, because she's listed as the favorite. If Justine were to win, it'd be a technical upset, regardless of how well either was playing.

But by the same token, Maria "should have" beaten Serena in Australia this year.

crazylevity
06-21-2007, 08:43 AM
I get ya, but I'm just pointing out- if "should" is an objective term based on common knowledge or the betting houses, or tennis experts, then Serena "should" win, because she's listed as the favorite. If Justine were to win, it'd be a technical upset, regardless of how well either was playing.
But by the same token, Maria "should have" beaten Serena in Australia this year.

How is Serena the "technical" favourite?? Justine is seeded no.1 for Wimbledon, and probably will be for the US Open too.

federerfanatic
06-21-2007, 08:49 AM
I get ya, but I'm just pointing out- if "should" is an objective term based on common knowledge or the betting houses, or tennis experts, then Serena "should" win, because she's listed as the favorite. If Justine were to win, it'd be a technical upset, regardless of how well either was playing.

But by the same token, Maria "should have" beaten Serena in Australia this year.

OK I get what you are saying. What I meant by should is that I feel she should. That is my personal opinion based on how I see the womens games and form at the moment. You are right on paper Serena is probably the Wimbledon favorite.

I was surprised at Serena at the French. Not that she lost to Justine, since I expected that to probably happen on clay. However she looked in worst shape to me then she did in Australia, and I did not expect that. I would expect if anything she would look fitter and sharper as the years goes.

Plus Justine should have beaten her 6-0, 6-4 in the Nasdaq final. Yeah I know what ended up happening, but if she can play that way vs her on hard courts, she has a very good chance to even beat her on grass if she holds her nerve IMO.

federerfanatic
06-21-2007, 08:49 AM
How is Serena the "technical" favourite?? Justine is seeded no.1 for Wimbledon, and probably will be for the US Open too.

Serena is the bookies favorite, for whatever that is worth. She also has the best record at Wimbledon of anyone not named Venus. However she obviously is more at the top of the game then Venus at the moment.

theballboy
06-21-2007, 08:51 AM
How is Serena the "technical" favourite?? Justine is seeded no.1 for Wimbledon, and probably will be for the US Open too.

http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=17070&bannerregion=

Serena Williams may not be seeded among the top four at Wimbledon, she isn't playing a Wimbledon warm-up event and has not reached the second week at the grass-court Grand Slam in three years, but the two-time Wimbledon winner's status as a major player makes her the Wimbledon favorite among odds makers.


British bookmaker Ladbrokes.com has installed the reigning Australian Open champion as a 9/4 favorite to regain the Wimbledon crown she successfully defended in 2003 before 13th-seeded Maria Sharapova shoved her aside in straight sets to seize the Rosewater Dish in 2004.

In sporting events, the term favorite usually applies to the person experts, and betting houses, pick to win it.

theballboy
06-21-2007, 09:06 AM
OK I get what you are saying. What I meant by should is that I feel she should. That is my personal opinion based on how I see the womens games and form at the moment. You are right on paper Serena is probably the Wimbledon favorite.

I was surprised at Serena at the French. Not that she lost to Justine, since I expected that to probably happen on clay. However she looked in worst shape to me then she did in Australia, and I did not expect that. I would expect if anything she would look fitter and sharper as the years goes.

Plus Justine should have beaten her 6-0, 6-4 in the Nasdaq final. Yeah I know what ended up happening, but if she can play that way vs her on hard courts, she has a very good chance to even beat her on grass if she holds her nerve IMO.

I don't think we should take too much from the FO match. IMO, both were playing mediocre tennis. All it proved was that Justine, when playing average tennis, is still good enough on clay to beat Serena handily when she's playing average. On grass, I'd expect the opposite result. Although it's not grass, the final moments of the Miami final are a good example. In the last game of the match, Serena was serving, and was quickly down love forty. Yet she managed to get five points in a row, off of her serve alone. I don't think any of those five points lasted more than two strokes. If Serena is serving well, it's nigh impossible for anyone in the WTA to consistently break her on grass.

As as for the suggestion that Justine "should have" beat her 6 0 64- Serena has an amazing knack for comebacks. I believe she's faced match point twice en route to GS wins. She was two points away from losing in Australia in the quarters. And of course, she fought off two match points from Justine in Miami. No women's player has ever been able to come back and win matches like she has.

After a while, it becomes clear its less about luck, or the others players weaknesses, and more about her ability.

The Gorilla
06-21-2007, 09:48 AM
you still think she's mentally weak fedfanatic?

federerfanatic
06-21-2007, 09:54 AM
you still think she's mentally weak fedfanatic?

I think her mental toughness is highly overrated as far as being one of her great assets, and have felt that for well over a year now. Lets just leave it at that.

Rodditha
06-21-2007, 09:59 AM
No way Justine is gonna win Wimbledon and USO, just because Serena is there and proved us that she can still win more majors and that she is motivated.I loved her form in AO, she is gonna destroy Justine and all the other girls just like how she did to sharapova this year.Justine is a clay specialist, and Justine is mentally weak.

carol4832
06-21-2007, 10:01 AM
Justine's Mental Toughness is one of the reason she has over the current top 10. Her game is complete, All-Court, with a low percentage of unforced errors.

Her 1HBH is the bomb.. Maybe Vaidosova or Ivanovic can get to her next year or two, she seems to have Jankovic's number.

Serena and Venus, have the game but there not the same as they used to be, they both need to rededicate themselves to outrank Justine.

navratilovafan
06-22-2007, 09:47 AM
She has a great shot at the final 2 slams. She faces Serena in the quarters of Wimbledon. I fear the same fate awaits poor Serena as at the French.

Dolphina
06-22-2007, 02:17 PM
A lot of people think, that Justines game is not that powerful, but imo opinion, when she really goes for it, she´s more poweful than most players. I remember her playing really poorly for her standards against Jankovic all the time, and at FO she played really well for the first time against her, really aggressive.
If she does the same against Serena at Wimbledon, she can beat her. It really depends on who will have the better form, even that Serena is a favorite on grass.
Agree with that the FO match was crap. Serena played some odd topspin tennis and slice and Justine was solid.

caulcano
06-22-2007, 02:51 PM
She should win both. We will see if she does.
Let's hope. She has been playing the best tennis lately.

krz
06-22-2007, 03:04 PM
I like Justine and Mauresmo this year although mauresmo has been off lately. Both of them have beautiful all-court games that you just don't see on the WTA.

Justines game resembles feds game in so many ways. If she plays the way she should I don't see why she can't take wimby and the USO.

The thing with players like serena and sharapova is that there game is all about going for it, hitting big, and hitting the winner. If they are off on the shot making that day they will most likely lose. They don't have other ways of winning.

theballboy
06-22-2007, 04:31 PM
I like Justine and Mauresmo this year although mauresmo has been off lately. Both of them have beautiful all-court games that you just don't see on the WTA.

Justines game resembles feds game in so many ways. If she plays the way she should I don't see why she can't take wimby and the USO.

The thing with players like serena and sharapova is that there game is all about going for it, hitting big, and hitting the winner. If they are off on the shot making that day they will most likely lose. They don't have other ways of winning.

The three greatest players on the last thirty years (Graf, Seles, Serena) all employed that straegy, because it works. Pity that no one else managed to beat them at their best.