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latinking
06-10-2007, 04:14 PM
The french open final showed a few things. One is that Nadal is the best clay court player alive, maybe ever. It also showed how tired he was.( give him credit he still was able to win today) He will not be able to play his style for many years. His longest match before the final was 2 hours and 28 mins. All in straight sets.Not even any long matches. I think he is just wearing himself out.

WhiteSox05CA
06-10-2007, 04:16 PM
His game is very taxing on the body. He's got the strength though. And playing on clay helps- as opposed to hard courts. He's not going to last this good into his older years, or play like Champions Cup.

lambielspins
06-10-2007, 04:18 PM
I think Nadal and Federer will both reach the end of their primes at the same time. Somewhere between 28-30 for Fed, 23-25 for Nadal. So it wont help Fed at the French Open, or anywhere else you feel Nadal might give him trouble much. However I agree it is crazy anyone who thinks he could be winning slams past 25 at the latest with the way he plays. Maybe done sooner then that. We will see.

Nadal_Freak
06-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Nadal will outlast Federer that's for sure. 5 year difference is definitely a big deal. I don't understand why everyone thinks Nadal's career will be over so quickly unless a serious injury occurs.

bluetrain4
06-10-2007, 04:28 PM
I agree, Rafa's game is taxing on the body and it may add up over the years, but a few points.

1. Rafa has the potential to shorten points, even on clay. He is talented enough to flatten out his game a little bit, still employ his spinny game at times, and make points shorter. Granted, this takes away the advantage of wearing down opponents, but as he gets older, that will be less of an option. Movers and grinders like Hewitt and Nadal lose a lot when they lose a step. But, I think there is more to Rafa's game than just grinding.

2. A lot of people talk about Nadal wearing out and not being to win slams past a certain age. Join the incredibly large club. Many of the greats won limited or no slams past the age of 25-26. Yeah, they made noise at slams, but did not win them regularly. Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Borg, just to name a few. This is not abnormal at all. Makes what Agassi did even more impressive. Sampras really benefited from his game style as he got holder. Short points made him able to win Slams over a much longer period than most champions. If Rafa wins his last slam at age 25, I wouldn't be surprised. The window is small. Plus, you never know who is coming up next. In three years, there will be another phenom who is pressuring the top dogs.

3. Although Rafa will probably have to look to shorten points in the future, he's only 20. I still think he can play his "clay" game for a couple more years as long as he avoids injury. I just think he needs start scheduling smarter and rest more. Attempting the Barcelona-Monte Carlo-Rome-Hamburg-Roland Garros sweep is impressive and a promoters dream, but he can't do this year after year. I think he'll be smart enough to go into Lendl mode and start saving himself for majors.

Tennis_Monk
06-10-2007, 04:33 PM
Rafa will do just fine. Your worries regarding Rafa burning out "Soon" are more vivid imagination and less fact based.

It is also pointless to think that they will make every FO final for the foreseeable future. So many things can happen and either of them can miss the tournament of loose before the final. Seedings can change and they may have to face each other early.

Noveson
06-10-2007, 04:39 PM
The french open final showed a few things. One is that Nadal is the best clay court player alive, maybe ever. It also showed how tired he was.( give him credit he still was able to win today) He will not be able to play his style for many years. His longest match before the final was 2 hours and 28 mins. All in straight sets.Not even any long matches. I think he is just wearing himself out.

6 French Opens sounds good to me:D

Really though, I think people are underestimating Nadal. He will be on the tour a good 3-4 years after Federer is gone.

Richie Rich
06-10-2007, 04:49 PM
The french open final showed a few things. One is that Nadal is the best clay court player alive, maybe ever. It also showed how tired he was.( give him credit he still was able to win today) He will not be able to play his style for many years. His longest match before the final was 2 hours and 28 mins. All in straight sets.Not even any long matches. I think he is just wearing himself out.

we've been saying that for 3 years and he keeps going. seriously, he's still young but he can't keep up that style of play for too long before he does something seriously wrong to his body.

pound cat
06-10-2007, 04:51 PM
By the time nadal begoins to feel clay is too hard on his body he will have completely mastered grass and will be winning back to back at Wimbledon. Don't worry, Uncle Toni has it all figured out, and is making room for a few hardcout slams too.

zapvor
06-10-2007, 04:53 PM
By the time nadal begoins to feel clay is too hard on his body he will have completely mastered grass and will be winning back to back at Wimbledon. Don't worry, Uncle Toni has it all figured out, and is making room for a few hardcout slams too.

lol. a bit off topic, but roddick too i think. his shoulder anyways from the serving.

Morrissey
06-10-2007, 05:54 PM
6 French Opens sounds good to me:D

Really though, I think people are underestimating Nadal. He will be on the tour a good 3-4 years after Federer is gone.

I agree too. Nadal is a physical freak, he's on track for 5-6 French Open's. We'll see about how it goes elsewhere. I think some this is wishful thinking and bitterness from today's result.

The Gorilla
06-10-2007, 05:55 PM
Nadal has never lost a match at Roland Garros.

I think that is amazing.

Zaragoza
06-10-2007, 05:56 PM
Can you believe it? Nadal won and there are still more trolling threads over Nadal than over Federer. Imagine what could happen on this board had Fed won the FO.
This proves again how many hateful fans are out there. I´m glad they´re not Nadal supporters.

J-man
06-10-2007, 06:00 PM
It's obvious that his style will take a toll on his body as the years go on. As he does get older he will have to probably change his style of play if he wants to continue being a threat. But I don't think in 3 years he will burn out

Mr. Sean
06-10-2007, 06:00 PM
We said this 2 years ago. Nadal will degrade at the same rate just like any other player will. Dont forget Fed as well. Feds game relies on speed and timing as well and hes 4 years older. All players age.

Nadal_Freak
06-10-2007, 06:02 PM
We said this 2 years ago. Nadal will degrade at the same rate just like any other player will. Dont forget Fed as well. Feds game relies on speed and timing as well and hes 4 years older. All players age.
Yeah. Fed relies on his great anticipation. If he loses some of that, it could really hurt his game. Moreso on the faster surfaces since there is less time to react.

Tennis_Monk
06-10-2007, 06:03 PM
We said this 2 years ago. Nadal will degrade at the same rate just like any other player will. Dont forget Fed as well. Feds game relies on speed and timing as well and hes 4 years older. All players age.

Not true. I know a lot of people who continue to play the same crappy tennis year after year since 10 years . They havent aged a bit in terms of their game. No improvement either. same 3.5/4.5 pushers.

he he he.. point taken. At Tennis pro level one cant sustain that level forever.

Attila the tennis Bum
06-10-2007, 06:06 PM
Borg burnt out at 26. The difference here is that Nadal is in the hunt for getting to #1.

Borg on the other hand lost his drive partly because he became #2 and could not deal with it.

On the other hand if Fed falls to #2 I predict he will get burnt out just like Borg did.

latinking
06-10-2007, 07:34 PM
Well, this was the second straight tourney that he was exhausted in the final. Fed just couldn't take advantage of it like he did in Hamburg. Don't get me wrong I love Nadal. I am just being real. Also he can't change his style much. He will always be a grinder.

tennis_hand
06-10-2007, 07:40 PM
I think Nadal and Federer will both reach the end of their primes at the same time. Somewhere between 28-30 for Fed, 23-25 for Nadal. So it wont help Fed at the French Open, or anywhere else you feel Nadal might give him trouble much. However I agree it is crazy anyone who thinks he could be winning slams past 25 at the latest with the way he plays. Maybe done sooner then that. We will see.

this is reasonable.

probably Nadal will never get to No 1.

Morrissey
06-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Can you believe it? Nadal won and there are still more trolling threads over Nadal than over Federer. Imagine what could happen on this board had Fed won the FO.
This proves again how many hateful fans are out there. I´m glad they´re not Nadal supporters.

I couldn't agree more. While there are some good sports who took their losses on the chin like awright, drakulie, kingdaddy, shabazza, bigserver and orangeone there were still many others who are just bitter and letting out some sour grapes. But let's just say if Fed had won today how bad it would be in here? We'd have to deal with 10 Fedfan versions of Simon Cowell. Fedfan 2007, Kim (who is awfully silent today :-)) and federerfanatic (who happens to have like 5 different screen names too).

Morrissey
06-10-2007, 07:51 PM
this is reasonable.

probably Nadal will never get to No 1.

Lighten up dude. You can't win em all.

Viper
06-10-2007, 07:54 PM
His game is very taxing on the body. He's got the strength though. And playing on clay helps- as opposed to hard courts. He's not going to last this good into his older years, or play like Champions Cup.


Hopefully he won't look anything like Nastase!

Swissv2
06-10-2007, 07:57 PM
Lets hope Nads doesn't have the same troubles that Agassi had.

TacoBellBorderBowl1946
06-10-2007, 08:36 PM
Rafa won't burn out, he's physically fit to maintain his play for years to come. I still think he will only win the FO Grand Slam unless he changes his play in other grand slams.
Besides the one wimbledon final( which won't happen in the near future unless he has an easy draw again), he hasn't shown that he can adapt his game to different surfaces.

VamosRafa
06-10-2007, 10:06 PM
But let's just say if Fed had won today how bad it would be in here? We'd have to deal with 10 Fedfan versions of Simon Cowell.

If Rafa had lost, I wouldn't have popped by. It wouldn't have been worth it to read the drivel in amongst the good stuff. The Fed-Nadal fan rivalry here is a bit ridiculous, IMO. They are both fantastic players, good sportsmen, likeable guys and friends. It's a shame that some people feel they have to put down one of the guys (and his fans) in order to support the other.

And I think people have to face facts re Rafa. He isn't going anywhere. What he has accomplished at his age is phenomenal, and his game is improving. I'm not sure he can repeat as Wimbledon finalist -- the stars did align for him there last year -- but he is playing so much better this year than he did last year. It's just a matter of time before he has a very good hardcourt slam result. He is not going to be the "best ever" like Federer, but he's going to be on the short list of "greats." He already is based on the records he has broken in his young career. And a lot of what he has accomplished is based less on his tennis abilities than on his mental toughness. That is something that is truly remarkable in one so young.

federerfanatic
06-10-2007, 10:10 PM
If Rafa had lost, I wouldn't have popped by. It wouldn't have been worth it to read the drivel in amongst the good stuff. The Fed-Nadal fan rivalry here is a bit ridiculous, IMO. They are both fantastic players, good sportsmen, likeable guys and friends. It's a shame that some people feel they have to put down one of the guys (and his fans) in order to support the other.

It is all good fun. I bet 20 years ago Navratilova and Evert fans would have done the same thing if the internet was prominent then.

Graf and Seles fans were even worse during the late 90s after Seles returned from the stabbing. Graf and Seles fans would go at each other whenever one of them did something big or lost a big match, and you knew what it would be about all the time. Heck, except for 1996, they werent even the best players on the womens tour anymore, but they still were the focus of their fan groups, and the Graf-Seles debate overrode anything Hingis, Williams, Davenport, or Novotna did at the top of the game.

Roddick and Federer fans used to do the same thing until it became clear Roddick is not a real rival to Federer the way Nadal is. Before that become clear to even the Roddick fanboys the two sides went at each other alot.

FitzRoy
06-10-2007, 10:33 PM
Graf and Seles fans were even worse during the late 90s after Seles returned from the stabbing

Evidence on the boards here suggests that animosity between Graf and Seles fans should not be spoken of in past tense. Have you seen any posts by Condoleeza?

federerfanatic
06-10-2007, 10:37 PM
Evidence on the boards here suggests that animosity between Graf and Seles fans should not be spoken of in past tense. Have you seen any posts by Condoleeza?

Sorry you are right. However in the late 90s there were a horde of Condoleeza's on any main tennis forum, and then the Seles backer equivalents too. :p

bagung
06-11-2007, 12:25 AM
nadal is strong.... just because he plays differently than others, it doesn't means he cannot play for many years......

helloworld
06-11-2007, 12:56 AM
We can't assume anything about how long Nadal will last. For all I know, he may even last longer than Agassi due to his freakish physical condition.

fednad
06-11-2007, 01:07 AM
Lets hope Nads doesn't have the same troubles that Agassi had.

What trouble did Agassi have?

tricky
06-11-2007, 01:15 AM
Nadal's problem area for longetivity is the hard court. He can play like this forever on clay and even grass, but HC is where it will take a toll on his body. And I think Nadal's people know that, now shifting the balance back to clay tourneys, so that Nadal can work on developing his weapons for HC (thus shortening his games) while protecting his future (and obviously mantaining comfortable point margin.)

Regardless of how he plays, the sheer dominance of his clay court season means that he'll gain more and play less than the great clay courters before him. What he does looks tiring out there, but he also grinds his opponent with alarming speed. They look like they've gone 5 sets when he's done with them.

caulcano
06-11-2007, 01:43 AM
Nadal will outlast Federer that's for sure. 5 year difference is definitely a big deal. I don't understand why everyone thinks Nadal's career will be over so quickly unless a serious injury occurs.

Federer has said he will play on until at least the London Olympics in 2012, barring injury, which means he'll be 31(?). Nadal will be 26. I just can't see Federer AND Nadal playing the same level AND type of tennis for 5 more years, barring injuries (especially not Nadal with his type of play).

You have to remember that history has shown that ALL clay-courter specialists have a shorter career than non clay-courters. Yes, Nadal maybe the 'freak' and won't follow this path but that's being too optimistic. He can change/tweak his play a bit to improve but he'll be more-or-less the same type of player. Similarly, I don't think Federer can keep up the 3 GS a year (not even this year).


I think Nadal will end up with between 6 & 8 GS in his career (at least 2 more FO & possibly 3 more on other surfaces).

Federer? Between 16-18 GS. A couple more on each on AO & US, 3-4 at Wimb, 0-1 FO title.

helloworld
06-11-2007, 01:54 AM
People who think Nadal will last only 2-3 more years are either don't understand tennis or simply Fed fans. I'm a fan of both and I believe both player will last a lot longer than 2-3 more years. Nadal is VERY determined and it takes determination and hunger to keep on playing competitive tennis.
Nadal is certainly not like Borg who got bored of tennis and quit. I believe he will be playing professional tennis a lot longer than some people expect.

kimizz
06-11-2007, 02:17 AM
There has been so much predictions about Nadal burning out. And for a long time too. Still nothing have happened. And there hasnt been any signs of him burning out. I want to see something solid before I agree with this thread...I think this thread is wisful thinking from some Fed fan :D

Morrissey
06-11-2007, 05:05 AM
There has been so much predictions about Nadal burning out. And for a long time too. Still nothing have happened. And there hasnt been any signs of him burning out. I want to see something solid before I agree with this thread...I think this thread is wisful thinking from some Fed fan :D

I believe some people in here a few years back said that Roddick´s shoulder wouldn´t hold up today. He´s turning 25 in August and last I checked his serves are still booming the same now as it did in 2003, problem is that so many other people have better forehands, backhands, volleys and movement on court than him. Roddick´s serve is actually the main reason he´s still in the top 3. Nadal will still be playing great at 25-26, if he´´s still hungry for slams and winning at all costs.

He´s a strong guy who can rip the ball besides chase them down. Hewitt still has game and he has NO WEAPONS. Here´s a guy in Hewitt that mainly just keeps the ball in play with nothing special other than using his legs and consistency and he´s still somewhat effective, actually watch out for him in Wimbledon this year. Nadal has better groundies than Hewitt, stronger, taller, advantage of being also a lefty and is faster than him to boot. His game will go farther than Hewitt´s into the future. He already has the same amount of slams of Hewitt and Roddick combined. Difference is, those two guys won theirs without running into the Mighty Fed.

latinking
06-11-2007, 06:31 AM
Why is everyone assuming that i am not a Nadal fan.
Very wierd, I am just being real. He looked exhausted. In back to back finals. And this year in Rome he had to go to hospital cause of dizzy spells.I have never seen that happen to him. I know he is a hero to alot of you but you all assume It is Nadal bashing. Its not , just seeing the truth. I hope he does last. I just don't see it.

latinking
06-11-2007, 06:34 AM
Wow Nadal fans a very inseucere. Any quetions about him and you all accuse people of hating on him. Very funny. You all need to be real.( by the way I am a Nadal fan too)

lambielspins
06-11-2007, 06:44 AM
There is a big difference between playing pro tennis and being successfully for your own standards. Just because Nadal is still playing pro tennis to a certain age is not the same as being successful to a certain age. Courier a World #1 or #2 for almost all of 1991-1993, and 4 time slam Champion in that span, played pro tennis for 6 years once he was out of the top 10 for good, except for just a brief return to the bottom part of the top 10 in there.

Sure Nadal could play until he is 30 if he is content playing as a shadow of his old self. Many players do. Kuerten has not retired and he has been a shadow of his old self for 4 and a half years. That doesnt mean he wont have won his last slam at 23 or so though.

latinking
06-11-2007, 06:48 AM
There is a big difference between playing pro tennis and being successfully for your own standards. Just because Nadal is still playing pro tennis to a certain age is not the same as being successful to a certain age. Courier a World #1 or #2 for almost all of 1991-1993, and 4 time slam Champion in that span, played pro tennis for 6 years once he was out of the top 10 for good, except for just a brief return to the bottom part of the top 10 in there.

Sure Nadal could play until he is 30 if he is content playing as a shadow of his old self. Many players do. Kuerten has not retired and he has been a shadow of his old self for 4 and a half years. That doesnt mean he wont have won his last slam at 23 or so though.

Yes I agree with you. Thats was what I meant.

Morrissey
06-11-2007, 06:50 AM
Wow Nadal fans a very inseucere. Any quetions about him and you all accuse people of hating on him. Very funny. You all need to be real.( by the way I am a Nadal fan too)

Well, news flash this is mainly a Pro Federer board if you didn´t know by now. You couldn´t tell of late :-D. But trust me it is. Have you been here after Hamburg? You have to understand why we accuse people of hating him because many Fedtrolls in here hate him, it´s not out of the realm of possibility to assume you are one of them.

Apparently you claim you´re not. I´ll have to keep an eye on your future posts to see. Just saying ¨BTW i´m a Nadal fan¨ too doesn´t make you a fan, it´s a bail out and an excuse to say something bad about Nadal without being labeled a ¨hater¨, the posts indicate which side you´re really on.

helloworld
06-11-2007, 06:51 AM
Wow Nadal fans a very inseucere. Any quetions about him and you all accuse people of hating on him. Very funny. You all need to be real.( by the way I am a Nadal fan too)

You're not a Nadal fan just accept it. No need to lie to people on the board.

lambielspins
06-11-2007, 06:59 AM
You're not a Nadal fan just accept it. No need to lie to people on the board.

How do you know he/she is not a Nadal fan. Do you naively assume all Nadal fans would have the same delusions as you that a player who plays the type of game as he does will be a major contender until he is 30 or something crazy like that. Please.

latinking
06-11-2007, 07:49 AM
You're not a Nadal fan just accept it. No need to lie to people on the board.

Wow you are a freak. What are you his mother? Very protective lol.

latinking
06-11-2007, 07:52 AM
Well, news flash this is mainly a Pro Federer board if you didn´t know by now. You couldn´t tell of late :-D. But trust me it is. Have you been here after Hamburg? You have to understand why we accuse people of hating him because many Fedtrolls in here hate him, it´s not out of the realm of possibility to assume you are one of them.

Apparently you claim you´re not. I´ll have to keep an eye on your future posts to see. Just saying ¨BTW i´m a Nadal fan¨ too doesn´t make you a fan, it´s a bail out and an excuse to say something bad about Nadal without being labeled a ¨hater¨, the posts indicate which side you´re really on.

By the way, I have no sides. LOL. I am a TENNIS FAN. I am a fan of Both Fed and Nadal. I think tennis is lucky to have them both. Is that so hard to belive. Alot of you act like you are related to one or the other. Grow up.

helloworld
06-11-2007, 07:53 AM
Wow you are a freak. What are you his mother? Very protective lol.

FYI, I am talking to you, not "him". OMG, I'm talking to one crazy Fed fan.