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muggy
06-18-2007, 10:35 AM
Just curious, since we just say this player is using this pj or that, are there any primetime players using a regular racquet these days?

ivan987
06-18-2007, 12:06 PM
Andy Roddick, Carlos Moya (Roddick used to modify a bit his old Pure Drive, but now he doesn't need to since Babolat made a racquet with his signature, and I was told that Moya plays with a standard pure drive)

Andres
06-18-2007, 12:09 PM
Karlovic, perhaps?

Jonnyf
06-18-2007, 12:40 PM
Andy Roddick, Carlos Moya (Roddick used to modify a bit his old Pure Drive, but now he doesn't need to since Babolat made a racquet with his signature, and I was told that Moya plays with a standard pure drive)

Roddick's pure drive is still heavily customized and moya used a Soft Drive painted as a pure drive.

300Gkid
06-18-2007, 12:40 PM
Roddick has a paintjob, he uses a non-cortex Pure Drive Plus with lead instead of his sig racquet

BreakPoint
06-18-2007, 01:27 PM
Andy Roddick, Carlos Moya (Roddick used to modify a bit his old Pure Drive, but now he doesn't need to since Babolat made a racquet with his signature, and I was told that Moya plays with a standard pure drive)
Moya uses a customized Pure Drive that does not have the Woofer system and is also head heavy in balance.

lecter255
06-18-2007, 01:48 PM
how about federer? i heard his k90 is pretty close to the stock k90

Buckeye10s
06-18-2007, 01:58 PM
how about federer? i heard his k90 is pretty close to the stock k90
Oh no now you have done it! This will really get them started!

anchorsteamer
06-18-2007, 02:08 PM
I like the representation of Buckeye tennis...it's been awhile since I did battle in West Rec or at Stickney but good memories...go bucks...

dave333
06-18-2007, 04:33 PM
Nadal? APD frame is like no other

BHStennisplayer
06-18-2007, 05:01 PM
Nadal? APD frame is like no other

True, but he isn't using the cortex. He still uses the old one but with a paintjob.

LarougeNY
06-18-2007, 09:28 PM
pretty sure Davydenko uses an o3 tour, can't fake it, and spadea and ferrero are using a POG mid.

Bundey
06-18-2007, 09:32 PM
True, but he isn't using the cortex. He still uses the old one but with a paintjob.

How can you paint on the cortex?

tennis_hand
06-18-2007, 10:02 PM
Fededer is not using a pj. :)

BNK
06-18-2007, 11:18 PM
How can you paint on the cortex?

It's just the normal APD without cortex but painted as the new APDC colourway(white, yellow and the signature of cortex in the throat)

Ross K
06-18-2007, 11:23 PM
Roddick's pure drive is still heavily customized and moya used a Soft Drive painted as a pure drive.

"Soft Drive"?

ripcontrol
06-19-2007, 03:04 AM
MARCOS bHAGDATIS

esm
06-19-2007, 04:07 AM
MARCOS bHAGDATIS
have read somewhere that he uses those old vaccum pro racquets with a pj

Povl Carstensen
06-19-2007, 04:09 AM
Soft Drive was an old light Babolat racket, that looked kind of like PD, perhaps the same mold.

brayman9
06-19-2007, 05:26 PM
like a z-lite is that what you mean something like that. I might be totaly off though

0d1n
06-20-2007, 01:58 AM
pretty sure Davydenko uses an o3 tour, can't fake it, and spadea and ferrero are using a POG mid.

Actually Spadea uses the POG OS, and Ferrero uses the POG L B which are different "beasts" all together to the POG MID.

Hessam
06-22-2007, 06:42 PM
Most Technifibre players, don't have Paint JObs.. Verdasco, Vligen, Tipsarevic, etc......

Also Youzhny seems to have switched to a real Microgel Extreme Tour, and Lujbicic is also using an real Microgel Extreme Tour.


Nalbandian was using a real RDX 500 with the same painjob, but is now using the RDS paint job (by the way who has confirmed that he hasn't switched to RDS 001 for sure)....

Monaco really uses an RDS 001.

Nicole Viadosova really uses an RDS 003

Ancic really uses a Ti-80, as does Paradon Schrichipan.

Mcenroe uses the Maxply Mcenroe

Bodacious DVT
06-22-2007, 06:57 PM
Mcenroe uses the Maxply Mcenroe

no way! thats a total paintjob!!

BreakPoint
06-22-2007, 07:00 PM
Most Technifibre players, don't have Paint JObs.. Verdasco, Vligen, Tipsarevic, etc......
If they are using a real TF320, it must be weighted up heavily. I've also heard that many TF players are still using the TF325 but with a TF320 paintjob, with the exception of Verdasco.

Also Youzhny seems to have switched to a real Microgel Extreme Tour, and Lujbicic is also using an real Microgel Extreme Tour.


I highly, highly doubt it. Have you played with the MicroGEL Extreme Pro? I don't see how any pro could play with it, at least not anywhere near stock.

Nalbandian was using a real RDX 500 with the same painjob, but is now using the RDS paint job (by the way who has confirmed that he hasn't switched to RDS 001 for sure)....

I've heard that he's always used an older Yonex with the RDX500 paintjob.

Monaco really uses an RDS 001.

If he uses the Mid, then that's a possiblity.

Nicole Viadosova really uses an RDS 003

Ancic really uses a Ti-80, as does Paradon Schrichipan.

Mcenroe uses the Maxply Mcenroe
All these I highly doubt as well as they are all too light. In fact, McEnroe said on the air that he still uses a racquet that's 370 grams, which is about 13.1 oz. The stock Maxply McEnroe is only 11.3 oz. strung.

BTW, may I ask where are you getting your info from?

BreakPoint
06-22-2007, 07:01 PM
no way! thats a total paintjob!!
Agreed! :D

Hessam
06-23-2007, 11:20 AM
Most of the info I listed above is readily available on these boards from the pro's who string their rackets if you do a search..

all of those things that i said have already been confirmed from pro stringers on these boards.. I was just stating what I had read here from people like thomas martinez etc.....

Mcenroe has his maxply wieghted...it's an obvious assumption that most pro's modify whatever version racket they are playing with...but he does play with a real maxply mcenroe.

Also ancic and paradon do play with Ti-80's.... in fact the reason why yones changed the cosmetics of the Ti-80 to the red and Blue was to match the color of the Thai flag for paradon. But now i think they have both switched to the RDS 002 paintjob anyway. The last time I saw ancic at Au open he was using a real Ti-80

Hessam
06-23-2007, 11:22 AM
by the way Youzhny has switched to a real Microgel Extreme....there's was a good post on this, and someone from the know confirmed it.... He switched at the French open I believe. YOu can research the post.which clearly has pictures and his racket shape is clearly more round than his old instinct, and DOES NOT have any of the liquidmetal ridges.

Lubjicic also plays with the same microgel extreme pro (heavily customized I'm sure)....

tennis_nerd22
06-23-2007, 05:26 PM
if i was a pro, using a pj would be against my conscience, cuz you're basically lying to the public and causing people to waste their hard-earned money thinking they're using a racket that a pro is using.

as stupid as that is on their part, it is still a sincere form of flattery, and i wouldnt want to be disloyal like that to my "fans".

then again, i guess the money these players are offered speakers louder to them than their fans?


am i the only one who thinks using pj's is a moral issue?

saram
06-23-2007, 06:01 PM
if i was a pro, using a pj would be against my conscience, cuz you're basically lying to the public and causing people to waste their hard-earned money thinking they're using a racket that a pro is using.

as stupid as that is on their part, it is still a sincere form of flattery, and i wouldnt want to be disloyal like that to my "fans".

then again, i guess the money these players are offered speakers louder to them than their fans?


am i the only one who thinks using pj's is a moral issue?

You do not stand alone...it is deception and wrong to imply and endorse something you do not use. I am glad to finally see someone post the thoughts that parallel my own on this subject...

tribetennis
06-23-2007, 07:45 PM
bosworth does my sticks!

Buckeye10s
06-23-2007, 07:55 PM
if i was a pro, using a pj would be against my conscience, cuz you're basically lying to the public and causing people to waste their hard-earned money thinking they're using a racket that a pro is using.

as stupid as that is on their part, it is still a sincere form of flattery, and i wouldnt want to be disloyal like that to my "fans".

then again, i guess the money these players are offered speakers louder to them than their fans?


am i the only one who thinks using pj's is a moral issue?

I've been using Wilson Pro Staffs for years... and I have never felt so big a difference with new technologies that it made them play that much different... I know that I'm not at their level but I am a 5.0 player who can feel the difference and adjust accordingly. In that same breath, these guys are so good that the slightest little difference between the n95 and the k95 would not effect their play that much! It could be a superstition thing because a lot of them are doing it!

chris1992
06-24-2007, 04:02 AM
i am almost certain federer uses the k factor and it weighs 360g for his version.

brayman9
06-24-2007, 09:01 AM
I don't use a paintjob I am clean those are really n tour twos.:D

rabidcow
06-26-2007, 12:02 PM
Murray plays with an i radical.

Fede
06-26-2007, 01:45 PM
I saw Verdasco racquet at 2006 Master Series in Rome, there was painted in the throat "special production Fernando Verdasco", here is the pic http://i6.tinypic.com/1z303k1.jpg

Ciao,
Fede

Pr0DiGy
06-26-2007, 06:47 PM
I'm pretty sure Ivanovic and Kirilenko...?

Ivanovic went from nTour-Two to nBlade, both currently being sold; thus, no reason to paint-job.

Same thing with Kirilenko: RDS003 to RDS002. Both still on the market, no reason to paint job.

Of course, unless this is some conspiracy to make the TT memebers believe Ivanovic and Kirilenko really don't use a paint job. ;)

And, there's the chance that Wilson and Yonex might have wanted extra marketing for these two rackets.

BallBuster
06-27-2007, 03:22 AM
I once went to the John Newcomb Tennis Ranch last year. A representative from Babolat was there just to give racquets to certain juniors or other select individuals for evaluations and discussion feedback. I asked him if the pros that use their racquets are using phoney racquets just made for them. The answer is no. They are using the actual racquets. What he said is that the pros will add weight. He said they can use older racquets but he said they are the same racquets that were sold before. He said there are too many pros and it is much too expensive to make a racquet for an individual pro so they don't do it. He also said they make racquets that they hope the pros will use and that they hope everyone will use. I tried to argue with him that online I saw a blowup of Roger Federer's racquet and that it had a slightly different string distribution than the off the shelf racquet. He was surprised by it and felt that it would be minor modifications based on preexisting racquet frame bodies. Otherwise the cost would be prohibitive for the majority of the pros and perhaps could only be considered for a very very small number of pros.

I also took a clinic from Tim Mayott. He said that while he was on the tour he used off the shelf tennis racquets but would only have the racquets weight balanced so they all played exactly the same. In his day he had the racquets mailed to him from tournament to tournament with new strings. In his day the cost of doing that was about $45k per year.

So my conclusion is that paint jobs are possible of old racquets but that the pros are using pretty much off the shelf racquets modified only by adding weight. The paint jobs are also just off the shelf racquets except that they are older models. That means anyone can make their racquet exactly like what the pros use just by adding weight in the right way. The pros use may use experts to do the weight balancing and placement but in theory there are places you can go to get the weight balancing done.

So tiy can't be sure that a pro is using a current model or an old one but except for a handful of pros I would say that the racquets are the same as off the shelf other that the weight balance modifications that anyone can do.

DNShade
06-27-2007, 04:06 AM
I once went to the John Newcomb Tennis Ranch last year. A representative from Babolat was there just to give racquets to certain juniors or other select individuals for evaluations and discussion feedback. I asked him if the pros that use their racquets are using phoney racquets just made for them. The answer is no. They are using the actual racquets. What he said is that the pros will add weight. He said they can use older racquets but he said they are the same racquets that were sold before. He said there are too many pros and it is much too expensive to make a racquet for an individual pro so they don't do it. He also said they make racquets that they hope the pros will use and that they hope everyone will use. I tried to argue with him that online I saw a blowup of Roger Federer's racquet and that it had a slightly different string distribution than the off the shelf racquet. He was surprised by it and felt that it would be minor modifications based on preexisting racquet frame bodies. Otherwise the cost would be prohibitive for the majority of the pros and perhaps could only be considered for a very very small number of pros.

I also took a clinic from Tim Mayott. He said that while he was on the tour he used off the shelf tennis racquets but would only have the racquets weight balanced so they all played exactly the same. In his day he had the racquets mailed to him from tournament to tournament with new strings. In his day the cost of doing that was about $45k per year.

So my conclusion is that paint jobs are possible of old racquets but that the pros are using pretty much off the shelf racquets modified only by adding weight. The paint jobs are also just off the shelf racquets except that they are older models. That means anyone can make their racquet exactly like what the pros use just by adding weight in the right way. The pros use may use experts to do the weight balancing and placement but in theory there are places you can go to get the weight balancing done.

So tiy can't be sure that a pro is using a current model or an old one but except for a handful of pros I would say that the racquets are the same as off the shelf other that the weight balance modifications that anyone can do.


Thank you....Finally someone who makes some sense. Everyone needs to really just chill out about this whole "paint job" and "special secret racket" thing...It's absurd. Yes, pros - and most people who play at any serious level - modify their sticks to their own likes to some extent - maybe add some lead here and there - but special molds...special rackets for each player...it's just not happening. Yes there are a few PJ's out there now and then - but most pros play with sticks right off the shelf just like anyone else gets. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

Mnguyen05
06-27-2007, 02:02 PM
if i was a pro, using a pj would be against my conscience, cuz you're basically lying to the public and causing people to waste their hard-earned money thinking they're using a racket that a pro is using.

as stupid as that is on their part, it is still a sincere form of flattery, and i wouldnt want to be disloyal like that to my "fans".

then again, i guess the money these players are offered speakers louder to them than their fans?


am i the only one who thinks using pj's is a moral issue?

Umm, people should not be choosing racquets based on what the pros use. That's just plain idiotic and hurting their games more.

They should be using a racquet that suits their game and HELPS their game. They shouldn't try to imitate the pros anyways, that's also just plain idiotic. Followers are stupid and WHIPPED!!!

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 02:15 PM
I'm pretty sure Ivanovic and Kirilenko...?

Ivanovic went from nTour-Two to nBlade, both currently being sold; thus, no reason to paint-job.

Same thing with Kirilenko: RDS003 to RDS002. Both still on the market, no reason to paint job.

Of course, unless this is some conspiracy to make the TT memebers believe Ivanovic and Kirilenko really don't use a paint job. ;)

And, there's the chance that Wilson and Yonex might have wanted extra marketing for these two rackets.
So you're saying that both Ivanovic and Kirilenko REALLY did switch racquets? Because it doesn't matter if the paintjob is still on the market or not. What matters is if they racquet they're really using underneath the paintjob is still on the market or not.

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Thank you....Finally someone who makes some sense. Everyone needs to really just chill out about this whole "paint job" and "special secret racket" thing...It's absurd. Yes, pros - and most people who play at any serious level - modify their sticks to their own likes to some extent - maybe add some lead here and there - but special molds...special rackets for each player...it's just not happening. Yes there are a few PJ's out there now and then - but most pros play with sticks right off the shelf just like anyone else gets. Sorry to burst your bubbles.
But when we refer to "paintjobs" we are generally NOT talking about custom made racquets. We are talking about pros that use an older model, sometimes 30 year old models, but with the latest model's paintjob over them. We realize that very few pros use totally custom racquets that are not now nor ever was available to the public. Most pros use older models that they grew up playing with but since those models have long been discontinued, their racquet sponsors make them use a paintjob of the current models so that they can market the current models to the public.

Some of the most popular models that have been paintjobbed are: Prestige Classic Mid, PT630, Radical Tour, PS 6.1 Classic, PS 6.0 85/95, POG, Yonex SRD Tour 90, RD-7, Dunlop Revelation, etc. All of these models have been long discontinued but have been continued to be used by pros since then just with various new paintjobs over them.

Sometimes they will even paintjob a racquet even when the underlying model is still being sold, like when Wilson made Edberg use a PS 6.0 85 with a PS 6.1 Classic paintjob on it in the early 90's even though the PS 6.0 85 was still being sold, and continued to be sold for more than 10 more years, because they wanted to also market the PS 6.1 Classic to the public, and both Sampras and Courier were already using the PS 6.0 85 (with the retail paintjob on them).

TennisandMusic
06-27-2007, 02:44 PM
30 year old models? Like what? 1977 racquets being used on the pro tour today?

Edit: Nevermind, I looked it up. Prince graphite eh...I find that interesting.

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 02:46 PM
30 year old models? Like what? 1977 racquets being used on the pro tour today?

The POG came out in 1977.

TennisandMusic
06-27-2007, 02:49 PM
Who still uses it and is successful? I can't think of anyone. Is there anyone left?

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 02:55 PM
Who still uses it and is successful? I can't think of anyone. Is there anyone left?
Vince Spadea, Juan Carlos Ferrero

Guys like Coria and Nalbandian were still using it until they switched a couple of years ago. Costa also used a version of it.

vsbabolat
06-27-2007, 03:51 PM
But when we refer to "paintjobs" we are generally NOT talking about custom made racquets. We are talking about pros that use an older model, sometimes 30 year old models, but with the latest model's paintjob over them. We realize that very few pros use totally custom racquets that are not now nor ever was available to the public. Most pros use older models that they grew up playing with but since those models have long been discontinued, their racquet sponsors make them use a paintjob of the current models so that they can market the current models to the public.

Some of the most popular models that have been paintjobbed are: Prestige Classic Mid, PT630, Radical Tour, PS 6.1 Classic, PS 6.0 85/95, POG, Yonex SRD Tour 90, RD-7, Dunlop Revelation, etc. All of these models have been long discontinued but have been continued to be used by pros since then just with various new paintjobs over them.

Sometimes they will even paintjob a racquet even when the underlying model is still being sold, like when Wilson made Edberg use a PS 6.0 85 with a PS 6.1 Classic paintjob on it in the early 90's even though the PS 6.0 85 was still being sold, and continued to be sold for more than 10 more years, because they wanted to also market the PS 6.1 Classic to the public, and both Sampras and Courier were already using the PS 6.0 85 (with the retail paintjob on them).

I agree with everything you wrote except some companies are giving young kids racquets that have not been sold in ten years with paintjobs on them to promote and market current products.

Here is a example:
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/74594354.jpg
His name is Grigor Dimitrov of Bulgaria he is 16 years old and playing at the 2007 Stella Artois Junior Championships. Grigor is using the Pro Tour 630 with a Paint Job of the Flexpoint Radical mp. With Grigor being 16 years old he has not spent years growing up playing with with the Pro Tour 630.
HEAD even gives for free Pro Tour 630 that they are making in Austria to a kid playing ITF juniors. It just goes to show that HEAD will probably be still manufacturing racquets like the Pro Tour 630 and paintjobing them for the Players on Tour only for years to come. Because HEAD is even giving them out to Juniors on the ITF Junior Circuit.

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 04:38 PM
I agree with everything you wrote except some companies are giving young kids racquets that have not been sold in ten years with paintjobs on them to promote and market current products.

Here is a example:

His name is Grigor Dimitrov of Bulgaria he is 16 years old and playing at the 2007 Stella Artois Junior Championships. Grigor is using the Pro Tour 630 with a Paint Job of the Flexpoint Radical mp. With Grigor being 16 years old he has not spent years growing up playing with with the Pro Tour 630.
HEAD even gives for free Pro Tour 630 that they are making in Austria to a kid playing ITF juniors. It just goes to show that HEAD will probably be still manufacturing racquets like the Pro Tour 630 and paintjobing them for the Players on Tour only for years to come. Because HEAD is even giving them out to Juniors on the ITF Junior Circuit.
Yes, I agree. Pros can use paintjobs just because they like the feel of an older model, even though they didn't necessarily grow up playing with it. Some younger players may have also started playing with an older model they got from their father or a friend or something even though that model may not have been made for a long time. BTW, do you happen to know what this kid Dimitrov used before the PT630?

yonexred2113
06-27-2007, 04:53 PM
Andy Roddick, Carlos Moya (Roddick used to modify a bit his old Pure Drive, but now he doesn't need to since Babolat made a racquet with his signature, and I was told that Moya plays with a standard pure drive)
the moya is right, but andy does not use his pure drive with the signature, b/c that would imply he used cortex, and discussed in many other threads andy paints on the cortex blue line proving he does not use "his" pure drive

soggyramen
06-27-2007, 04:55 PM
how about federer? i heard his k90 is pretty close to the stock k90

i heard that he used a prostaff

Rafa freak
06-27-2007, 04:58 PM
how about federer? i heard his k90 is pretty close to the stock k90

It is just a paint job i think he really uses the one he he won the 2003 wimbledon with.

BreakPoint
06-27-2007, 05:09 PM
It is just a paint job i think he really uses the one he he won the 2003 wimbledon with.
Which I believe was the K90 with a PS Tour 90 paintjob on it.

vsbabolat
06-28-2007, 07:13 AM
BTW, do you happen to know what this kid Dimitrov used before the PT630?
Sorry I don't know.

jdelcue
06-29-2007, 12:29 PM
Murray plays with an i radical.

...I've heard otherwise...

Pretty sure that's just the last pj Head put on his racquet, and he's refused to change it thus far. Something about different feel/performance with a flat vs. glossy paint or something like that...lol I dunno :rolleyes:

bsandy
06-29-2007, 03:45 PM
Nicole Viadosova really uses an RDS 003


This is not true . . . It's a painted RDX 300. You can still see the IPS where the paint didn't stick.

. . . Bud

vsbabolat
06-29-2007, 04:16 PM
This is not true . . . It's a painted RDX 300. You can still see the IPS where the paint didn't stick.

. . . Bud

I don't know where yo can see IPS coming through paint.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/73100520.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/74397930.jpg
The only thing I see is lead at 3&9 O'clock positions.
Also when racquet companies paintjob a frame they take a raw frame that has been newly manufactured and paint it to look what they want to market.

Tsonga#1fan
11-26-2009, 03:29 AM
The POG came out in 1977.

POG didn't come out 'til late '79.....early '80.

jazzyfunkybluesy
11-26-2009, 05:08 AM
Why are going to argue such a small point with the guru?

tennispro19
11-26-2009, 05:31 AM
...I've heard otherwise...

Pretty sure that's just the last pj Head put on his racquet, and he's refused to change it thus far. Something about different feel/performance with a flat vs. glossy paint or something like that...lol I dunno :rolleyes:

yeah ive been told that from the head rep a few years ago, one of the reasons why murray wouldnt change pjs was because he hates gloss finished rackets

tennispro19
11-26-2009, 05:38 AM
This is not true . . . It's a painted RDX 300. You can still see the IPS where the paint didn't stick.

. . . Bud

they dont paint on top of the other paint. when the racket is being made they put new new design on it. i know a few wilson sponsored juniors, one, a top britsh jr uses a n code 6.1 95 with the k factor pj, its a matt finish.

dantheman
11-27-2009, 07:09 PM
Not Delpony

sosa09
11-30-2009, 11:49 AM
murray uses a paint job , soderling too

iceman_dl6
11-30-2009, 04:01 PM
Gael Monfils uses a real Prince Exo3 Rebel 95, you can't fake the holes!

Buckethead
11-30-2009, 07:37 PM
Not Delpony

What's DelPONY?
Why d'ya call him that?

Hankenstein
12-01-2009, 07:39 AM
What's DelPONY?
Why d'ya call him that?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Juan_Martin_Del_Potro_2007_Australian_Open_R2.jpg

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/22972/wm/pd1926275.jpg

JediMindTrick
12-01-2009, 08:31 AM
I think most Prince and Yonex pros are not using paintjobs. Also Federer of course.