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Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 07:24 AM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Editorial/40_Greatest_Players/2006_04_14_graf.jpg http://images.beijing-2008.org/03/91/Img212019103.jpg http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/MW200G/Graf.JPG

How would Steffi's flat, power, and deep forehands stand up to today's super power hitters and extreme heavy topspinners ?

Warriorroger
06-20-2007, 08:22 AM
She would have to alter her tactical play, but concerning power, the Graf forehand is a lethal weapon in any era. I think the Steffi Graf we would see today would be the Steffi Graf we saw against Venus Williams in the quarters of Wimbledon 1999. She had less time to run around, so she used her backhand very smart and her forehand did the killing, many times Venus couldn't control the ferocity of the shot.

http://static.flickr.com/120/305379406_454d645724.jpg

kreative
06-20-2007, 08:22 AM
i'd have to agree w/ Frauline (sp?) Forehand, just amazing to watch her hit that shot. always looked like she had late contact, but man, could she nail it. she did have to face seles (power) conchita martinez & sanchez vicario (tospinners), so i'd say it'd hold up well. it's just that the power hitters of today would attack her bh more like seles was doing in her prime...overpowering.

Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 10:02 AM
What amazes me is how she dominated with power on that shot (forehand) with a MAX 200G!

I grew up with that home defense weapon, so I know it very well. :)

I wonder how her forehand would look if she have today's more powerful and forgiving racquets (e.g. PDR, AG, O3, KFactors, etc.)

Warriorroger
06-20-2007, 11:05 AM
What amazes me is how she dominated with power on that shot (forehand) with a MAX 200G!

I grew up with that home defense weapon, so I know it very well.

I wonder how her forehand would look if she have today's more powerful and forgiving racquets (e.g. PDR, AG, O3, KFactors, etc.)

I have all the rackets she played with: The 2 dunlops, the blue and white Wilson, the blue Wilson, and the black Wilson she ended her career with, the latter is a great racket, but sometimes I remember how the Max 200G played, it was a great racket.

http://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-043.jpg
http://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-014.jpghttp://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-018.jpghttp://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-015.jpg

Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 12:18 PM
She uses this one now right?

http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/big/HAF3-big.jpg

Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 12:32 PM
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stormholloway
06-20-2007, 12:43 PM
She uses this one now right?

http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/big/HAF3-big.jpg

Yeah, she uses this racquet to hold up her coffee table.

Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 12:53 PM
haha.. does she really use it?

Or does she use another "player's frame" from HEAD (microgel radical?)

Warriorroger
06-20-2007, 12:58 PM
She uses this one now right?

http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/big/HAF3-big.jpg

She endorses it, her husband switced to her clothing brand, and she switched to his racket brand. Don't think if her life depended on it, she would use this stick. She would take the Black Wilson 7.1 out of her bag.

Tennis_Bum
06-20-2007, 02:28 PM
She endorses it, her husband switced to her clothing brand, and she switched to his racket brand. Don't think if her life depended on it, she would use this stick. She would take the Black Wilson 7.1 out of her bag.

She endorsed it because it "was designed" for female players. I got this from a pro shop owner. I held that racket; it's light like a feather. I don't think she could play with it without adding tons of weight to it. I did play with the Max 200G; it was much heavier.

BaseLineBash
06-20-2007, 02:42 PM
I think Mary Pierce has the most powerful forhand.

Warriorroger
06-20-2007, 11:16 PM
I think Mary Pierce has the most powerful forhand.

I agree that the Pierce forehand was hit harder, but Steffi's forehand was almost just as powerful and far more effective and lethal. Pierce showed how to attack Graf and that was by attacking the forehand, not the backhand.

stormholloway
06-20-2007, 11:26 PM
The best forehand in the women's game was Renee Richards for sure.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Renee-Richards.jpg

The stroke is hard to describe. It was very well disguised, with an unmistakeable power to it. All in all, it was a thick and long stroke package.

Jack & Coke
06-20-2007, 11:53 PM
My gawd, look at the size of that racquet head! :D

Would you rank Monica's up there?

(even though she had that funky two-handed forehand)

Warriorroger
06-21-2007, 12:22 AM
My gawd, look at the size of that racquet head! :D

Would you rank Monica's up there?

(even though she had that funky two-handed forehand)

I wouldn't, Monica's forehand was very good, but it was the side she was more vulnerable on, still it was a killershot. Her backhand was more fierce and really very powerful and accurate.

Federer is like Graf concerning the position from where they hit, although he has better technique, she made a home made shot recognizable all over the tennisworld. Three different generations had difficulties with the shot.

Just saw a match between Mauresmo and Graf in 1997, Graf used her forehand so beautifully in that match.

Jack & Coke
06-21-2007, 08:36 AM
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Jack & Coke
06-21-2007, 08:38 AM
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Jack & Coke
06-21-2007, 08:54 AM
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Renée Richards (born Richard Raskind August 19 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_19), 1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934), in New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City)) is a physician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician) and professional tennis player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_player).

In 1975 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975) she underwent sex reassignment surgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery). http://www.matthewbarr.co.uk/powers/images/austin1.jpg

In 1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976) the United States Tennis Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Tennis_Association) denied her entrance into the U.S. Open (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_%28tennis%29). She challenged the ban, and the New York Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Supreme_Court) ruled in her favor in 1977 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977).



more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee_Richards

Swiftslaughter
06-21-2007, 10:30 AM
lol @ storm!!

Jack & Coke
06-21-2007, 10:58 AM
..It was very well disguised, with an unmistakeable power to it. All in all, it was a thick and long stroke package..



man, that's ain't right..

WhatItIs
06-21-2007, 01:19 PM
Serena Williams is up there.

superstition
06-21-2007, 07:33 PM
When asked to design the ultimate female player a number of years ago, Navratilova said this:

Forehand: Graf
Backhand: (I don't remember)
Serve: S. Williams
Volleys: Navratilova
Mental: Evert

I don't think Serena's serve is better than Martina's was in her prime, though, especially on grass. That lefty slice is better than a brute force serve, and Serena probably would fall apart if she had to play with wood or early graphite racquets. Male players had trouble returning Martina's serve in 2006 at the US Open - a 49 year old Martina on hard court.

My list would probably be like this:

Forehand: Graf (with S. Williams second)
Backhand: Henin
Volleys: Navratilova
Serve: Navratilova (with S. Williams second)
Focus: Evert, Wills Moody, Sanchez-Vicario, Navratilova
Speed: Graf
Point construction: Navratilova, Hingis, Henin
Clay shot: Martinez (loopy topspin)
Grass shot: Shriver (slice forehand)

stormholloway
06-21-2007, 08:00 PM
man, that's ain't right..

You're right, perhaps it was more compact than I let on. But as she got into a good rhythm, it got longer.

Phil
06-21-2007, 11:16 PM
I don't think Serena's serve is better than Martina's was in her prime, though, especially on grass. That lefty slice is better than a brute force serve, and Serena probably would fall apart if she had to play with wood or early graphite racquets. Male players had trouble returning Martina's serve in 2006 at the US Open - a 49 year old Martina on hard court.

I saw Martina N. play doubles a couple years ago at the Toray Pan Pacific WTA tournament and believe me, no man would have had a problem, in 2006, returning her serve. It was a dinky slice and although her opponents didn't crush it, they got it back and low at her feet and she did very poorly at following up on the volley. Maybe you were referring to the 2006 JUNIOR US Open?

Serena wouldn't be able to hit so many sloppy, off balance forehand winners with a wood or graphite small-headed stick...you're right there...

superstition
06-22-2007, 09:34 PM
I saw Martina N. play doubles a couple years ago at the Toray Pan Pacific WTA tournament and believe me, no man would have had a problem, in 2006, returning her serve. It was a dinky slice and although her opponents didn't crush it, they got it back and low at her feet and she did very poorly at following up on the volley. Maybe you were referring to the 2006 JUNIOR US Open?
I have two matches from the US Open (her last mixed title) on DVR. You can watch them on YouTube, too. Count how many serves her male opponents couldn't attack or even return in the quarterfinal and final.

Her serve improved over the course of her doubles comeback. And, power/speed isn't what made the serve difficult to return. It was the spin and placement.

Also, during her heydey her serve was considered scary by some female players. I was impressed by it when I saw her in 1999 at an exhibition and that was before she bulked up and started training again.

Warriorroger
06-23-2007, 02:35 AM
Going back to the topic. Steffi Graf will always be remembered because of that huge forehand. It was the shot that set the women's game in motion. Navratilova started the move with her fitness, Steffi started power and Monica introduced power off both wings.

Some one mentioned Serena's forehand, only you and Serena believe she has a great forehand. Her forehand is the weaker wing, have you seen her at RG 2007, tentative stroke and bad footwork.

Morpheus
06-23-2007, 04:03 AM
The best forehand in the women's game was Renee Richards for sure.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Renee-Richards.jpg

The stroke is hard to describe. It was very well disguised, with an unmistakeable power to it. All in all, it was a thick and long stroke package.

Is that the old Yamaha? The one I'm thinking of was nearly impossible to break--black steel with a yellow or orange plastic throat piece.

suwanee4712
06-23-2007, 01:21 PM
Steffi's forehand is the indisputable all time best that I've seen in the women's game. It's probably the single best shot that I've seen as well. Since most people will agree on that, here are a few others I've seen that are worthy of note in the womens game:


1970's

Sue Barker - As her forehand went, so went the rest of her game
Virginia Ruzici - Steffi was not the first to run around and off forehands
Chris Evert - Chris' forehand was always overshadowed by her backhand
Evonne Goolagong - Was so lovely, surely it couldn't hurt you - wrong
Tracy Austin - Hard to beat in a dual of forehands

1980's

Hana Mandlikova - Voted best forehand in 1985, then Steffi hit her stride
Martina Navratilova - Graphite helped her groundies. Don't serve her wide
Andrea Jaeger - Could zing it when she felt like it
Liz Smylie - She ran hot and cold with it
Manuela Maleeva - Forehand crosscourt was her favorite to smack
Claudia Khode Kilsch - Got a lot behind that big loop windup
Helena Sukova - Got a lot of work on the ball when she could set up
Gabriela Sabatini - Was always at her best when she flattened it out
Nicole Provis - Might surprise some, but she had a good flat forehand


1990 -1997

Monica Seles - Forehand was lethal, backhand even better
Jana Novotna - Gave her baseline game a little pop
Jennifer Capriati - Like Seles, she hit everything big
Mary Joe Fernandez - Learned to use it as a weapon later in career
Mary Pierce - Was only really really good about 20% of the time, powerful
Kumiko Date - Hard, flat, stayed low, was hard to read which way
Conchita Martinez - She hit an ugly ball but could be powerful
Iva Majoli - Had a nice forehand until she won the French
Martina Hingis - I still like to watch Hingis' forehand
Lindsey Davenport - Beautiful striker of the ball
Venus Williams - Everything she did was big
Mirjana Lucic - Deadly forehand, wished things had worked out for her
Irina Spirlea - Big shot, big mouth

BaseLineBash
06-24-2007, 07:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIM_xeteV1E

Mary Pierce hitting huge!

Frank Silbermann
06-25-2007, 07:28 PM
The best forehand in the women's game was Renee Richards for sure.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Renee-Richards.jpg

The stroke is hard to describe. It was very well disguised, with an unmistakeable power to it. All in all, it was a thick and long stroke package. Didn't she lose it when she had her operation?

Borat72
07-16-2007, 09:30 AM
What amazes me is how she dominated with power on that shot (forehand) with a MAX 200G!

I grew up with that home defense weapon, so I know it very well. :)

I wonder how her forehand would look if she have today's more powerful and forgiving racquets (e.g. PDR, AG, O3, KFactors, etc.)

I agree, I have played the MAX 200G as well.
With today's racquets it far easier to generate power (while still keeping a minimum of control). Even second-rate WTA pros are able to do that now.

anointedone
07-16-2007, 09:39 AM
Steffi's forehand is the indisputable all time best that I've seen in the women's game. It's probably the single best shot that I've seen as well. Since most people will agree on that, here are a few others I've seen that are worthy of note in the womens game:


1970's

Sue Barker - As her forehand went, so went the rest of her game
Virginia Ruzici - Steffi was not the first to run around and off forehands
Chris Evert - Chris' forehand was always overshadowed by her backhand
Evonne Goolagong - Was so lovely, surely it couldn't hurt you - wrong
Tracy Austin - Hard to beat in a dual of forehands

1980's

Hana Mandlikova - Voted best forehand in 1985, then Steffi hit her stride
Martina Navratilova - Graphite helped her groundies. Don't serve her wide
Andrea Jaeger - Could zing it when she felt like it
Liz Smylie - She ran hot and cold with it
Manuela Maleeva - Forehand crosscourt was her favorite to smack
Claudia Khode Kilsch - Got a lot behind that big loop windup
Helena Sukova - Got a lot of work on the ball when she could set up
Gabriela Sabatini - Was always at her best when she flattened it out
Nicole Provis - Might surprise some, but she had a good flat forehand


1990 -1997

Monica Seles - Forehand was lethal, backhand even better
Jana Novotna - Gave her baseline game a little pop
Jennifer Capriati - Like Seles, she hit everything big
Mary Joe Fernandez - Learned to use it as a weapon later in career
Mary Pierce - Was only really really good about 20% of the time, powerful
Kumiko Date - Hard, flat, stayed low, was hard to read which way
Conchita Martinez - She hit an ugly ball but could be powerful
Iva Majoli - Had a nice forehand until she won the French
Martina Hingis - I still like to watch Hingis' forehand
Lindsey Davenport - Beautiful striker of the ball
Venus Williams - Everything she did was big
Mirjana Lucic - Deadly forehand, wished things had worked out for her
Irina Spirlea - Big shot, big mouth


Wow great detailed breakdown of all the deadly forehands of the last 3 decades. I am surprised you did not include Serena Williams though, who won a U.S Open title in 1999.

Jonny S&V
07-16-2007, 11:07 AM
haha.. does she really use it?

Or does she use another "player's frame" from HEAD (microgel radical?)

No, at Arthur Ashe Kids Day last summer, I am 99% sure that she used a Flexpoint Prestige. And going along with suwanee4712, Goolagong's forehand was absolutely lethal when she hit it down the line. She used the traditional Aussie grip and she hit it with slice and sidespin so it spun away from her most likely on the run opponent.

old_school_tennis
07-16-2007, 11:38 PM
Graf's forehand has got to be the best of all time in the women's game. It was the bread and butter of a career that won so many titles and the "Golden Slam."

Jack & Coke
07-17-2007, 12:03 AM
any of the women on tour today have a form similar to Steffi's?

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/pilotpen98/GRAF1.JPG

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38738000/jpg/_38738115_graf150.jpg

http://www.lauriepowell.com/images/forehand.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/shaq/21/93.jpg

scotus
07-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Steffi Graf and John McEnroe--two worst influences on my game. Always hopping around, hitting the ball with their feet well off the ground.... It works for them, but not for the less talented. I'm trying to stay more grounded when hitting my shots, but old habits die hard.

Warriorroger
07-17-2007, 08:56 AM
any of the women on tour today have a form similar to Steffi's?

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/pilotpen98/GRAF1.JPG

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38738000/jpg/_38738115_graf150.jpg

http://www.lauriepowell.com/images/forehand.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/shaq/21/93.jpg


Would be hard to find, cause her technique is not easy for players who are not that fast. The stroke itself isn't late, but her preparation is, thus the whip like effect. See how beautifully she moves when she hit it. Never seen before, never will see it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSYVCuXxiAo

Jack & Coke
07-17-2007, 09:30 AM
interesting how steffi keeps her right elbow fixed in a bent position pretty much throughout the forehand stroke..

totally different from today's more common full extension, whippy, wristy, wrap-around-the-body-finish style..

not better, not worse, just different style

Jack & Coke
07-17-2007, 11:34 AM
When you think of Steffi Graf, which of the following do you associate her more with?

Dunlop?

or

Wilson?

Vision84
07-17-2007, 12:32 PM
After reading about Renée Richards' story I now understand how Serena Williams dominates so much.

Warriorroger
07-17-2007, 01:19 PM
When you think of Steffi Graf, which of the following do you associate her more with?

Dunlop?

or

Wilson?

I have to say the Wilson racket, because it changed her game a lot. She had to work very hard to generate power with the MAX. That's not the question you asked. I think The Max.

Jack & Coke
07-17-2007, 02:28 PM
Which Wilson models did she play with?

Was it the same racquet with different paintjobs? Or did she really play with a few different models?

Alexandros
07-17-2007, 08:51 PM
any of the women on tour today have a form similar to Steffi's?

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/pilotpen98/GRAF1.JPG

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38738000/jpg/_38738115_graf150.jpg

http://www.lauriepowell.com/images/forehand.jpg



Kim Clijsters, though she makes contact a bit further out. Similar in the air, high follow through though:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030119/sp4.jpg

Warriorroger
07-18-2007, 12:54 AM
Which Wilson models did she play with?

Was it the same racquet with different paintjobs? Or did she really play with a few different models?

1994 slams(The Wilson classic lite, 7.0, blue and white, although Steffi played a bootleg version at the 94 AO)
1995 - 1998 slams(The blue Wilson classic beam 7.5)
1999 slam (The black Wilson, flat beam, 7.1. I own them all!!!
http://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-006.jpghttp://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-018.jpghttp://av.tennis-warehouse.com/ppgal/SGRAF/GRAFMISC-015.jpg

Jack & Coke
07-18-2007, 07:14 AM
Do the Wilson racquets that she used (as shown above) play a lot different from her old skool MAX200G?

I'm guessing they are more powerful with increased stiffness.

If this is the case, it must have been an interesting transition for her as most pros tend to stick with the style of racquet that they grew up on.

Did she ever use the PS85 in a match?

Warriorroger
07-18-2007, 01:01 PM
Do the Wilson racquets that she used (as shown above) play a lot different from her old skool MAX200G?

I'm guessing they are more powerful with increased stiffness.

If this is the case, it must have been an interesting transition for her as most pros tend to stick with the style of racquet that they grew up on.

Did she ever use the PS85 in a match?

Oh Yes. I started out with the Dunlop MAX 200G. Once you discover the sweet spot it is a dynamite racket, but many of today's players (recreational) wouldn't be able to deal with it, because it is very difficult to handle. If you look at Graf's matches with the Dunlop you can see she uses more of her body to get the power on the forehand. Her serve was actually more leathal (IMO) with the MAX. The Wilson she started out with was a fine racket, medium light and you can get whip ilke strokes on the forehand with it. I least liked the blue one, the black one is the racket I play with now. Too bad you don't live here, you could borrow my MAX and see for yourself.

laschutz
07-18-2007, 01:31 PM
its' of course very hard to compare eras, graf's forehand surely is the best of all time, if only for the reason that no stroke was so predominately huge in a champion's game and subsequent grand slame titles, someone mentioned pierce hitting her forehand harder than graf, maybe maybe not, but graf's forehand was never entirely flat, it was pierced with spin as well. also if you mention mary pierce what about capriati's huge forehand i would pit a slugfest against capriati over pierce's forehand anyday. capriati does have the head to head lead over pierce, of course that's for their entire game.

tracy austin hit a hard forehand back in the day with wood rackets, but does hitting the forehand harder make it better? that's the question. what about towards the end of evert vs austin rivalry when evert with her subtle change on her forehand of pace, sidespin, etcetera could break down the mechanical forehand of austin (not to mentioned how b.j. king and goolagong would do the same thing on grass)

what about maureen connolly's forehand?supposedly she hit the hardest forehand and backhand ever seen with a wood racket, harder than evert or austin, how would her forehand (and backhand) be in todays game with graphite, a change of stance when hitting the forehand and better conditioning and sport strength so necessarily today in the women's game. i agree also i wonder how serena and venus with their somewhat on and off again forehand would do if they had to use wooden rackets?!!

Jack & Coke
07-18-2007, 01:42 PM
Too bad you don't live here, you could borrow my MAX and see for yourself.



I grew up with the MAX200G also (I have two). I was mainly currious about the Wilsons she transitioned to, and how they felt compared to the MAX.

Thanks :)

Warriorroger
07-18-2007, 03:40 PM
I grew up with the MAX200G also (I have two). I was mainly currious about the Wilsons she transitioned to, and how they felt compared to the MAX.

Thanks :)


They're much easier on the arm, I can tell you that.

namui
07-18-2007, 10:08 PM
Graf's forehand was a lethal not only because of its power, but also because of the very late back swing which caused it to be very deceptive. In producing such a stroke, her footwork had a very important role.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
07-19-2007, 07:39 AM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Editorial/40_Greatest_Players/2006_04_14_graf.jpg http://images.beijing-2008.org/03/91/Img212019103.jpg http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/MW200G/Graf.JPG

How would Steffi's flat, power, and deep forehands stand up to today's super power hitters and extreme heavy topspinners ?



When I think of best forehands on the WTA, this is the only woman that comes to mind. I wasn't a huge fan, but credit has to be given to her.

heartman
07-20-2007, 06:12 AM
I know, I know, she played a million years ago. Her forehand, however, was a potent weapon. She hit topspin and slice winners from all over the court, utilized a wicked approach shot, all with a big, old wooden racquet. If you ask me, many of those mentioned are appropriate choices, but we too often forget what players used to do with wood - graphite and all make it easier to hit shots these days. If you don't agree, find yourself a Kramer Auto, or Dunlop Maxply, Slazenger Challenge #1, and see how you do.

Margaret Court hit a phenomenal forehand with a wood racquet - let's see Steffi Graf(who I respect a great deal, by the way), hit her forehand with a wood racquet. Relative perspective must be acknowledged...

Dedans Penthouse
07-20-2007, 06:40 AM
Four 'Fores'

Biggest Forehand: Steffi Graf
Biggest Forehead: Martina Hingis
Biggest Forearm: Martina Navratilova
Biggest Foreskin: Renee Richards

Morpheus
07-20-2007, 07:04 AM
Four 'Fores'

Biggest Forehand: Steffi Graf
Biggest Forehead: Martina Hingis
Biggest Forearm: Martina Navratilova
Biggest Foreskin: Renee Richards

Ouch! .....

Bud
07-28-2007, 11:53 PM
I think Dinara Safina has one of the best present-day forehands...

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Your_Game/Instruction_Articles/Forehand/2006_04_safina_forehand_1.jpg

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Your_Game/Instruction_Articles/Forehand/2006_04_safina_forehand_2.jpg

Jonny S&V
07-29-2007, 06:51 AM
I think Dinara Safina has one of the best present-day forehands...

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Your_Game/Instruction_Articles/Forehand/2006_04_safina_forehand_1.jpg

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Your_Game/Instruction_Articles/Forehand/2006_04_safina_forehand_2.jpg

Very rarely is it ever that good. Her footwork is the worst on the WTA top 100 right now so she would almost never get her feet to hit that shot. She would be down there with Davenport in terms of actual foot speed. The photographer got really lucky IMO.

suwanee4712
07-29-2007, 09:03 AM
When I made my list of those other than Steffi, I forgot to mention Laura Arraya Gildemeister of Peru, wife of former tour player Heinz Gildemeister. Mary Carillo once described her as the 80's player most similar to Capriati in the way that she struck the ball. She would take hard and flat cuts off both sides and was especially deadly down the line. She was also a bit moody and inconsistent as well. When she missed, she missed big. Her career was interrupted when she gave birth to their first child in either 1988 or 1989.

She did return to the tour though and gave Monica her last loss at Boca Raton in 1990 before Monica began her great run at the Lipton. She drew Laura again in the 4R of the French and for the first 5 games Laura was hitting forehand winners all over Court 1. But then Monica gradually played her way into the match and asserted herself winning, 6-4, 6-0.

But when Laura was on a hot hitting streak, she was dangerous. Especially with that big flat forehand.

Bud
07-29-2007, 09:44 AM
Very rarely is it ever that good. Her footwork is the worst on the WTA top 100 right now so she would almost never get her feet to hit that shot. She would be down there with Davenport in terms of actual foot speed. The photographer got really lucky IMO.

I agree, Dinara is not the gazelle that Steffi is but she does strike the ball nicely. Steffi moves like she has springs in her tennis shoes. However, Dinara screams louder than Steffi ever did when she gets frustrated! :twisted: She let out an ear drum popper a couple of years ago at the Acura Classic. The crowd chuckled.

Hopefully, I'll get to see her play at the Acura, this week, in San Diego :grin:

She's one of the more entertaining players to watch.

Bud

BTURNER
07-29-2007, 11:44 AM
I agree that the Pierce forehand was hit harder, but Steffi's forehand was almost just as powerful and far more effective and lethal. Pierce showed how to attack Graf and that was by attacking the forehand, not the backhand.

The proof of a stroke is in its ability to be effective against all comers and on all surfaces. The Graf forehand was steady enough not to be a liability on clay, even when playing Sanchez most of the time, and crushing on grass whether overpowering Sabatini or passing Navratilova. The same was not to be said of Pierce.

BTURNER
07-29-2007, 11:50 AM
its' of course very hard to compare eras, graf's forehand surely is the best of all time, if only for the reason that no stroke was so predominately huge in a champion's game and subsequent grand slame titles, someone mentioned pierce hitting her forehand harder than graf, maybe maybe not, but graf's forehand was never entirely flat, it was pierced with spin as well. also if you mention mary pierce what about capriati's huge forehand i would pit a slugfest against capriati over pierce's forehand anyday. capriati does have the head to head lead over pierce, of course that's for their entire game.

tracy austin hit a hard forehand back in the day with wood rackets, but does hitting the forehand harder make it better? that's the question. what about towards the end of evert vs austin rivalry when evert with her subtle change on her forehand of pace, sidespin, etcetera could break down the mechanical forehand of austin (not to mentioned how b.j. king and goolagong would do the same thing on grass)

what about maureen connolly's forehand?supposedly she hit the hardest forehand and backhand ever seen with a wood racket, harder than evert or austin, how would her forehand (and backhand) be in todays game with graphite, a change of stance when hitting the forehand and better conditioning and sport strength so necessarily today in the women's game. i agree also i wonder how serena and venus with their somewhat on and off again forehand would do if they had to use wooden rackets?!!

Going back a ways, must mention the forehands of Wills, Molla Mallory, and Lenglen. I read they were overwhelming in accuracy and power. But if my life depended on a forehand, it'd be Graf's.

CEvertFan
07-29-2007, 08:45 PM
Graf has had the best ever forehand in the women's game bar none. One of the most devestating weapons I have ever seen in the women's game.