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downthewall
07-10-2007, 07:43 PM
I believe he will win this year. What do you guys think?

Morrissey
07-10-2007, 07:46 PM
I believe he will win this year. What do you guys think?

I don't know if he can do it. It would be nice. But you're going to get polarizing answers in here u know. It'll be either "no chance in hell" or "start engraving his name on the trophy". So get ready. The avalanche is coming.

saram
07-10-2007, 08:02 PM
I believe he will win this year. What do you guys think?


At least you didn't call Laver a 5.0 player again...

drakulie
07-10-2007, 08:13 PM
He is the number 2 player in the world>>>> so yes, he has a very good shot at winning it. Do I think he will win it?? No. Fed is going to win it again.

herosol
07-10-2007, 08:15 PM
i won't say any definite but chances are high, and every thing is probably going his way.

Wimbledon was just a slight set back.

Richie Rich
07-10-2007, 08:17 PM
a lot depends on his draw. keep away from the guys who seem to have his number on hard courts (blake, youzhny) and he has a great shot. he seems to be in fed's head so if they meet in the finals it's 50:50. how's that for being squarely on the fence :smile:

ACE of Hearts
07-10-2007, 08:19 PM
The problem with the U.S Open is that the speed is still the fast.Its a fast surface.Nadal cant use the tactic of staying way behind the baseline and the bounces are low.Remember that he uses a western grip.

ACE of Hearts
07-10-2007, 08:20 PM
I dont know if its 50-50.I would say 60-40 Fed.

tennis_hand
07-10-2007, 08:20 PM
He is the number 2 player in the world>>>> so yes, he has a very good shot at winning it. Do I think he will win it?? No. Fed is going to win it again.


What happened to your Wimbledon prediction that Nadal would win it?

I know you lost to Oscar in FO betting, but is it the arrangement that u have to say Nadal win Wimby? lol..

Breakaz54z
07-10-2007, 08:21 PM
It'd be nice to see him win. Maybe if he does, I should quit college and train 14 hours a day for four years to turn pro for a good 8 or so years :p

downthewall
07-10-2007, 08:22 PM
Nadal came alot closer this year in wim. Next year he will take it... with a lot of fighting

ACE of Hearts
07-10-2007, 08:24 PM
I have no doubt he can take it if it stays slow and it continues to get alot of crazy bounces.Maybe players will complain and they will speed it up.

drakulie
07-10-2007, 08:25 PM
What happened to your Wimbledon prediction that Nadal would win it?

I know you lost to Oscar in FO betting, but is it the arrangement that u have to say Nadal win Wimby? lol..

LOL. Not at all.

I just looked at the facts. Coming into Wimbledon, Nadal was hands down playing the best tennis of any pro, and being the grass there is much slower, I didn't see any reason for him not to be able to pull it off. He came damn close, and gave us one hell of a final. It is the best match I have seen all year.

quest01
07-10-2007, 08:26 PM
I think this years US Open final will be Federer vs Nadal with Federer prevailing. Some have said that the US Open plays faster then Wimbledon.

phat
07-10-2007, 08:30 PM
I think the conditions will not be in his favor. Everyone knows that the USO is set up for the American's to excel in. So the court & ball will be fast. He will face those flat shots that he hates hitting to his forehand alot more frequent than in Wimbledon & his groundie will not bounce as high so it will not be as lethal to his opponent........

ACE of Hearts
07-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Heck, the australian open will play faster soon, looks like wimbledon might be the 4th fastest slam,lol.The french open might surpass it.

tlm
07-10-2007, 08:56 PM
Nadal has still not proven to be consistent on the hardcourts yet.

J-man
07-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Nadal at the US Open is an intersting prospect. He hasn't done bad there but he hasn't done great. Losing Youzhny last year. I think he has a good chance to make it to the semi's. But to get pass Federer will be very difficult. Espically Federer on the very fast surface of the us open. Us open surface is almost or even faster that Wimbledon.

But he pushed Federer at Wimbledon. Nadal will have to be very aggrisive. He showed that he can take a short back swing and be aggrisive off the return at Wimby. It will be difficult to play defensive behind the baseline at the Open. He can kind of get away with at Wimbledon. But Youzhny again was able to pick at that, before getting injuried during the match. But he could have very well upset Nadal.

fishuuuuu
07-10-2007, 09:06 PM
He's got a good chance, but gotta watch out for the usual suspects including Blake and Berdych.

Grimjack
07-10-2007, 09:47 PM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.

iamke55
07-10-2007, 10:05 PM
I don't know if he can do it. It would be nice. But you're going to get polarizing answers in here u know. It'll be either "no chance in hell" or "start engraving his name on the trophy". So get ready. The avalanche is coming.

Aren't you one of the guys who's supposed to say "start engraving his name on the trophy"?

tennis_hand
07-10-2007, 10:17 PM
Wimbledon next year will be played on mud.

gugarafa
07-10-2007, 11:47 PM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.

Well looking at his history at Wimby....everyone said he had an easy draw last year,was pushed too hard by kendrick blablablahh etc so he wasnt good enough....fast forward this year: he came close to winning!!

Point is the kid's getting better and improving his skills on other surfaces...he can win the USO.

robin7
07-11-2007, 03:59 AM
I think Nadal can go further this year. A SF will be satisfactory, a F is good & lifting the trophy will be great!!

What he needs to do now is to stay fit & keep on improving his serve. There is a chance tough.

Rhino
07-11-2007, 04:29 AM
Well he'll have to have made a huge improvement because last year from this point on he lost to Berdych (twice), Ferrero, Youzhny, Johansson (Joachim), and Federer on hardcourt - six loses in six tournaments, no final apperarances. at least he doesn't have many points to defend.

Rhino
07-11-2007, 04:35 AM
Well looking at his history at Wimby....everyone said he had an easy draw last year,was pushed too hard by kendrick blablablahh etc so he wasnt good enough....fast forward this year: he came close to winning!!

Point is the kid's getting better and improving his skills on other surfaces...he can win the USO.
He also came pretty close to losing. He lost 5 sets during Wimbledon '06, but this year at Wimbledon he lost 8 sets.
I think that in some ways they both got lucky this year (Rafa and Fed). Rafa was going down to Youzhny, no question - I watched the match, and then Youzhny had the vertabrae in his back click out of place, and then Djoko came in strong in the semis but, hey, we know he had no gas. Fed got lucky with the rain breaks and Haas pulling out, and also the final was anyones.

illkhiboy
07-11-2007, 05:16 AM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.

Wimbledon is not a "slow court." Deal with it junior.

akv89
07-11-2007, 06:55 AM
His chances are better than last year but I really doubt if he'll even come close to doing it. The hard courts at flushing meadows are currently the worst kind of surface for Rafa. If there is one grand slam Nadal will never win with the current surfaces, it will be USO.

Morrissey
07-11-2007, 07:05 AM
Aren't you one of the guys who's supposed to say "start engraving his name on the trophy"?

Um....no. That's Simon Cowell's job. Apparently you don't read my posts. Unless it's the French Open, but then we all knew that part. I'm not going out on a limb with that one. I never said Nadal was going to win the US Open. Unless he shows the form of Indian Wells I'm not going to say he'll win it before the tournament even starts. I actually post pretty objectively, I just get into arguments with Fedtrolls. Most of the time they just end up throwing insults because they can't get into a normal and objective discussion. The mod gods are certainly not in any hurry to punish them. Hmm, I wonder why? :roll:

anointedone
07-11-2007, 09:57 AM
I think a semifinal this year would be a success. A final would be incredible, win or lose, and you know either way he will give 110% and give the fans their moneys worth in a final. If he improves on his best ever there I think it is good to see though, for his fans and for him. It might be the hardest slam right now for him due to the court speed. So expectations might be more in check there then elsewhere, but I think a best ever result is still the realistic target.

Nadal_Freak
07-11-2007, 10:03 AM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.
25 aces in the final troll.

Messarger
07-11-2007, 10:07 AM
Lets not forget that he's been playing well during the start of the year at these hard court events. Winner at IW and quarters at Miami. He's shown that he can adapt if he wants to, but he needs to practice his return of serve and play more aggresively. His serving on the hard courts are very good compared to last year. Theres a chance.

malakas
07-11-2007, 10:15 AM
Of course he will win it.That's it if Federer is out with injury and he has to play only clay courters in his draw.

ktownva
07-11-2007, 10:25 AM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.

These comments sound a bit dated. Nadal is twice the player he was last year.

8PAQ
07-11-2007, 10:26 AM
I don't think Nadal will get past USO semi this year. Not because he can't play well but because hard courts take the worst toll on his body. He will probably be in similar situation as Djokovic was at this Wimbledon. Have a superhuman effort to get to the semi (maybe beat Blake in 5 sets in the quarters) and then lose in 4 or 5 sets in the semi because he is too tired/injured to play.

Similar to what happened to Nadal at AO this year. He beat Murray in 5 sets and then was tired/injured for his match against Gonzalez.

veritech
07-11-2007, 10:28 AM
LOL. Sounds like the same idiocy we had to deal with when nitwits were declaring "Karlovic ought to be seeded at Wimbledon!!!!111"

One need only look at Nadal's US Open history to realize he's zero threat to ever take that title. A semifinal appearance would be an accomplishment worthy of the history books. Guy isn't a top 20 fast-hardcourt player. He's a slowcourt specialist, who is lucky that he lives in an era when two of the four slams are legit slowcourts.

i wouldn't count him out too fast. he's always a contender.

25 aces in the final troll.

what final do you speak of? surely not wimbledon.

8PAQ
07-11-2007, 10:34 AM
what final do you speak of? surely not wimbledon.

He means there was a total of 25 aces in the final featuring two best returners in the game. Which shows that surface was quick enough.

I still think bounces were too high for grass.

8PAQ
07-11-2007, 10:44 AM
I would love to see Nadal play Hewitt and Roddick at USO. Fed beat those two so many times it is no fun anymore.

fastdunn
07-11-2007, 10:48 AM
I'm expecting following players becoming more considerable factor
in coming US Open:

Djokovic, Gasquet, Murray, Berdych (and maybe Baghdatis, Monfils).

Especially I'm really looking forward Gasquet finally break thru..

fastdunn
07-11-2007, 10:50 AM
Also note that it's more learning the bounce and movement on the surfaces
than the speed( which tends to be very similar on all surfaces these days ).

Mr. Sean
07-11-2007, 10:52 AM
if he plays anything like he did at indian wells. Id say he has a very good chance at reaching the final. Its crazy how the us open is now the fastest surface since wimbledon is now a faster clay surface. If nadal can adjust to this fast surface which im sure he will since hes way better than last year, he will take on federer. Lets not forget djokovic and murray who will probably meet nadal in the semis or quarters.

fastdunn
07-11-2007, 10:55 AM
There is no real "fast" court since 2003. It's all medium speed, so to speak.

It's now matter of gaining experiences on its bounce and movements on it.

anointedone
07-11-2007, 11:01 AM
There is no real "fast" court since 2003. It's all medium speed, so to speak.

It's now matter of gaining experiences on its bounce and movements on it.

U.S Open is a fast court, definitely faster then Wimbledon at this point in time. Australian Open is becoming a fast court now that they are speeding it up.

anointedone
07-11-2007, 11:02 AM
I'm expecting following players becoming more considerable factor
in coming US Open:

Djokovic, Gasquet, Murray, Berdych (and maybe Baghdatis, Monfils).

Especially I'm really looking forward Gasquet finally break thru..

Gasquet finally break though? He just made the semis of Wimbledon.

Berdych is way overrated and wont be a contender at the U.S Open. Djokovic, Gasquet, and Murray could be, but the only of them with an outside shot to beat Federer or Nadal right now is Djokovic.

Morrissey
07-11-2007, 11:03 AM
Wimbledon is not a "slow court." Deal with it junior.

I agree. No way Fed would've gotten 24 aces on clay. Hell, Roddick wouldn't even have made the QF to choke against Gasquet if it were slow. Let's face it kids, Nadal is the real dealio and it burns you haters to see that. Nadal was hugging the baseline and blasting winners off both sides against Fed. The serve was what bailed Fed out in this match, on clay it would have been taken out of the equation. Grass, green clay. Blah! Don't think so.

SideSpinPDR
07-11-2007, 11:12 AM
I just hope he improves on last years effort. He definitely is improving and will put up a fight in every match he plays. I wish him luck.

fgzhu88
07-11-2007, 12:09 PM
nope, US open too fast. unless they pull a 'wimby' on the hard courts...

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
07-11-2007, 12:10 PM
either federer or nadal, thats it.

fgzhu88
07-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Gasquet finally break though? He just made the semis of Wimbledon.

Berdych is way overrated and wont be a contender at the U.S Open. Djokovic, Gasquet, and Murray could be, but the only of them with an outside shot to beat Federer or Nadal right now is Djokovic.

Berdych overrated??! this surface is the best for his style! he only lost last year's uso since he had to face blake, who by the way will do good this year too.

anointedone
07-11-2007, 01:21 PM
James Blake has made only 2 slam quarters in his career, which has been a full fledged pro career of over 7 years now. To attribute Berdych's failure to go further then the 4th round of last years U.S Open on having to play a guy in his late 20s with only 2 slam quarters in the 4th round is desperate. Blake is one of the easiest and best draws you could have for the 4th round of a slam based on his own career success. Berdych has one slam quarter in his career, and he was killed by Nadal in that match, even though there was all this hype that Berdych was going to take Nadal out before the match, another example of his being overrated.

He has not accomplished that much at all, even for still being fairly young. Only one slam quarterfinal, a bunch of round of 16 losses in slams. One Masters title in tainted circumstances in the very depleted Paris event of 2005. When people talk about how good he is they bring up trivial things like his win over Federer in the Olympics, as if anyone really believes players care about the Olympics, especialy the men. Berdych is a big level down from Djokovic and Gasquet, and possibly Murray and Baghdatis too.

As for Blake, 4th round tops this year, probably loses sooner. His 15 minutes are over.

phat
07-11-2007, 08:34 PM
I don't like Berdych's attitude in Wimbledon. He has no fight in him......

Morrissey
07-11-2007, 10:25 PM
Berdych will be a threat on indoor surfaces, no weather being a factor and the bounce is low and quick. Outside of that he won't be a threat in my mind. Too streaky. Mostly on the bad side of it too.

rafan
07-11-2007, 10:32 PM
Nadal could well win this BUT as I've always said he must improve his serve - so many of the young ones coming up know this and therefore it could be his weakness. If Roddick can serve endless aces then surely Nadal can with plenty of practice.

MoFed
07-11-2007, 11:06 PM
Rafa puts so much energy forth at the beginning of the year that he ran out of gas last year. He runs down far too many balls on all the surfaces. Can't help himself really. He really doesn't need to do that. He could wait and take his chances or run down balls at crucial points of the match. He doesn't have to break every one of his opponents service games. One break would win the set.

With his knee being a question mark, although he said it was fine after the Wim final, I don't think that he should even try to run down as many balls as he does on the clay and grass. And I hope he has enough sense not to go sliding into shots on these hardcourts.

The summer hardcourts don't play exactly like Indian Wells and Miami do they? They are faster courts. I'm not sure that he could make it all the way to the finals of USO. Far be it for me to doubt someone elses ability. Hopefully, the knee will be healthy and not a factor this summer.

pow
07-11-2007, 11:11 PM
I think now that the hard courts are the fastest surface, Nadal may run into trouble against heavy flat hitters like Blake, Berdych, and Youzhny.

staedtler
07-12-2007, 12:36 AM
The way I see it, if Nadal really wants to do good at the US Open, he should start playing more aggressive in all these hard court tuneup tourneys. At Wimby, he was playing aggressive and shortening his backswing to take the ball early on 2nd service returns. I feel this is something he should definitely try to translate to the hard courts. If he can take control of the point early on, he wont be outhit by the flat hitters like Blake or Berdych.

tennis_hand
07-12-2007, 12:54 AM
thread starter gets banned. why do we still contribute to this thread?

Rhino
07-12-2007, 01:14 AM
trivial things like his win over Federer in the Olympics, as if anyone really believes players care about the Olympics, especialy the men.

Federer badly wants to win an Olympic gold and he has been saying so for years.

http://english.people.com.cn/200507/13/eng20050713_195813.html

kaiotic
07-12-2007, 09:47 PM
I am going for Roddick US Open 2007!
it's where it's at!!!!

Go Andy!
we love to hate you..pls make us happy again. bring home to the US, the bacon, hmm?

gdsballer
07-12-2007, 10:19 PM
it would be great to see roddick contending again for the title...if he can serve and volley effectively, which isnt seen anymore, he's got a legitimate shot at it, he just needs to play perfect S&V tennis against federer like at shanghai last year...nadal won't win i dont think, especially if he meets with blake since blake seems to have his number, and would also have the fans behind him...federer will win again

roysid
07-12-2007, 11:13 PM
US Open will be the toughest slam for Nadal. The fast hardcourts will take a toll on his body. And then there are Blake/Youzhny/Berdych, if they play their best they will beat. Plus there are Hewitt, Roddick, Djokovic.

Let's say even if he makes semis, that will be a tough match. And since he has to play a second semi on Saturday it's difficult for him to blast again on Sunday where Federer awaits.