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Jgooser
06-22-2007, 07:25 AM
Heard today from the Prince rep that the Bryan brothers will be debuting the 03 Black in July. After the debacle with Blake I hope this signing turns out well.

Forehand Forever
06-22-2007, 07:53 AM
I doubt it they've been with Wilson for a loooong time.

Jgooser
06-22-2007, 07:56 AM
This is a statement of fact. They HAVE SWITCHED. It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

SFrazeur
06-22-2007, 07:59 AM
It seems doubtful to me as well. But assuming they are it's not a big loss for Wilson. After all, how many people have gotten hot for a racquet because of either Brayn?

-SF

nickb
06-22-2007, 08:00 AM
This is a statement of fact. They HAVE SWITCHED. It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

Show us some pics then

Volly master
06-22-2007, 08:02 AM
This is a statement of fact. They HAVE SWITCHED. It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

jeez, your really new around here huh?

its a rule, "no pics/no proof". or at least an article. You really can't believe anyone on the internet.

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
06-22-2007, 08:02 AM
This is a statement of fact. They HAVE SWITCHED. It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

Press Release? Anything?

SFrazeur
06-22-2007, 08:05 AM
This is a statement of fact. They HAVE SWITCHED. It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

Fact is a fact because there is proof, evidence, verifiable confirmation. At the moment you have not provided proof. You are also new so you do not yet have credibility.
I did not write this to tell you that you are wrong, I wrote this to explain why people would find it difficult believing you at this time.


-SF

cujays
06-22-2007, 08:47 AM
will they use prince at wimby???

SamaRafa
06-22-2007, 09:02 AM
Breaking News!!!
Federer To Babolat !!!!
It is not a debatable topic. Sorry.

vsbabolat
06-22-2007, 09:09 AM
Here is the Bryan Brothers from a last week at Queens Club still with their Hyper Pro Staff 5.0 with the NPro Open Paint Job. I don't know if they will be switching in July to Prince or not. But I would bet that the Bryans will still be using their Wilson at Wimbledon.

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Jgooser
06-22-2007, 09:42 AM
I can understand the credibility issue. I guess I would too. They will not be switching until shortly after Wimbledon. The date I was specifically told by my Prince rep. is July 15. I suggest if you need proof, you contact your nearest Prince rep. since they have all been told. That shouldn't be too hard for some of you. Especially the sarcastic ones.

fishuuuuu
06-22-2007, 09:52 AM
This just in, Roger Federer goes to Prince. He will be sporting their new O3 White MS. Ask your Prince rep.

NoBadMojo
06-22-2007, 09:54 AM
I sure dont find it illogical the Bryans either changed sponsors or Wilson bagged them and they picked up another sponsorship. It's not like so many people are runnng out and buying what the Bryans' use.

Why do people automatically assume that when a pro changes racquet brands, it was their choice and not the choice of the sponsoring Company? Contracts are not unidirectional.

fishuuuuu
06-22-2007, 09:56 AM
I sure dont find it illogical the Bryans either changed sponsors or Wilson bagged them and they picked up another sponsorship. It's not like so many people are runnng out and buying what the Bryans' use.

Why do people automatically assume that when a pro changes racquet brands, it was their choice and not the choice of the sponsoring Company? Contracts are not unidirectional.

NBM ... trying to lessen the blow here ... I heard Rafa is going to Volkl ;)

cujays
06-22-2007, 10:07 AM
the o3 black??????????

DonBot
06-22-2007, 12:01 PM
It's not like so many people are runnng out and buying what the Bryans' use.


Well I was going to buy a N95, because I own the world in Virtua Tennis 3 with Taylor Dent, I seem to do pretty well with the bryans as well so maybe I should give their new raquet a go :lol:

TheSnowMan
06-22-2007, 12:18 PM
Well I was going to buy a N95, because I own the world in Virtua Tennis 3 with Taylor Dent, I seem to do pretty well with the bryans as well so maybe I should give their new raquet a go :lol:

I don't think the Bryans are in the game..

PBODY99
06-22-2007, 12:29 PM
the o3 black??????????

I won't worry about the Bryans, but the O3 Black was the rumored frame that James Blake would have used with Prince. As an O3 user I want to see a Hyper Pro staff player make the switch, it should be interesting.

Lindsay
06-22-2007, 06:01 PM
To back up whoever started this, I heard the same from the Prince rep today. Don't know when their contract with Wilson is up. But I also heard O3 Black... Maybe they will use them at Wimbledon. No pics because as of today, their contract with Wilson is not up, so its impossible to have pics.

Lindsay
06-22-2007, 06:02 PM
And I saw the O3 Black today, pretty cool. We got the new O3 Ozone(its the exact same O3 Red with new paint), O3 Black, and 03 Speedport Tour as well.

BkK_b0y14
06-22-2007, 06:10 PM
notice how both of these guys claim they are right, but have no evidence. and both are new users and under 100 posts. oh btw, djokovic is switching to the big bubba. how do i know? he's my next door neighbor and he told me he was sick of his nblades :lol:

Jgooser
06-22-2007, 06:25 PM
Just because a person hasn't posted on here hundreds of times doesn't mean the information is incorrect. I understand the credibility issue. Hopefully, once the official announcement is made, my credibility will soar. lol.

Jgooser
06-22-2007, 06:30 PM
The 03 Ozone is almost exactly the same as the 03 Red. It's the same mold, but the weight is slightly different and the power level is a little bit different. Otherwise they are the exact same racquets.

Lindsay
06-22-2007, 07:36 PM
I was told by the rep it was just a new cosmetic with a new name. As for those who don't think I'm credible, I don't care. I don't have tons of posts because I have better things to do with my days, and this isn't a highly credible message board. There are hundreds of people with hundreds of useless, stupid, or wrong posts. However, I do work for one of the 5 largest tennis distributors, I do play D1 college tennis, and I am an MRT. I would like to know if BKK BOY can say that.

Pr0DiGy
06-22-2007, 08:15 PM
Guys, please don't flame them. If it's true, we'll find out soon enough. But posts such as the one above me (which doesn't even begin to make sense--on any level) are unnecessary and hostile.

They may be hostile, but come on. The guy responded in a sort of hostile way. He "understands" the credibility issue, yet he is stubborn and refuses the accept the fact that we don't believe him without proof. No article as someone else mentioned. 5 posts. I'd be surprised if more than a few people DID believe him.

post #3 lost the guy's credibility. post # 2..4 i think just makes the dude sound egotistical.

If this does turn out to be true, kudos to you, but I'll still remember you as the guy who started off on this board by posting a statement with nothing to back it up, and then insisted that you were absolutely right, again with nothing to back it up.

To Lindsay: If this isn't a highly credible message board, then stop posting here. Simple enough.

Lindsay
06-22-2007, 08:43 PM
To better explain myself- This can be a highly credible message board. I just think its funny that some of you judge someone's credibility by how many times they have posted here. Not the best way to find out credibility, IMO. There are people here with loads of expertise, and probably more without. I hope to find some information for you guys to prove this Prince theory. I will try to get some literature on it at work tomorrow. I understand your doubt, but I wouldn't think a Prince rep would make this up and tell it to more than 1 person.

By they way, please stop to me as a dude, for I am not.

Moses Man
06-22-2007, 08:44 PM
Pr0DiGy, I don't believe them right now either, and most of your points are absolutely correct. My point is that this is no reason to lower the intelligence of everyone on this message board via posts like the following...

i think that Nadal will go to the kfactor nsix one 18x20 racquet so he can have less spin and lose to Nadal.

He insists he's right; we don't believe him without proof. Which has been promised as forthcoming. End of discussion. Nothing more (intelligent) can be added to this thread. What irked me was the multitude of people mocking the OP and acting immature. Even assuming the OP is ludicrous (which right now, I'm inclined to reserve judgement on until later), there is no reason that we can't be civil.

nyc
06-22-2007, 08:59 PM
Well, I believe until proven wrong. And I think prove will be provided in due time. So stop flaming Lindsay and sit tight.

Jgooser
06-22-2007, 09:06 PM
I guess I could see how my second post comes across as arrogant. Still it is true. There is no way to post "proof" at this point. The Prince reps were just told of it today. I guess I just wanted to get the word out right away.

I may have come across as arrogant, but I am right and I could care less if anyone is offended by the tone of my response even though I do see how someone could be put off by it. Yet, I chose to respond to this, so I guess I do care. Perhaps just to eventually say "I told you so". Who knows. TS. They will be using Prince racquets, and no matter what any other disbeliever wants to post you will find out I am correct.

I guess my only proof, is for ANYONE to call your local Prince rep. That isn't too hard. Just do it and report back what you hear. Once a few more people report what I stated is true, we can put this behind us.

vsbabolat
06-22-2007, 09:14 PM
Jgooser, I never thought you were arrogant. It certainly is surprising news! I think that the Bryans will switch to Prince after Wimbledon.

Swiftslaughter
06-22-2007, 09:16 PM
You guys who are making fun of the OP or flaming here are ridiculous. Wouldn't it be in your face funny if the story turns out to be TRUE? Who'd be laughing then?

BkK_b0y14
06-22-2007, 09:32 PM
I was told by the rep it was just a new cosmetic with a new name. As for those who don't think I'm credible, I don't care. I don't have tons of posts because I have better things to do with my days, and this isn't a highly credible message board. There are hundreds of people with hundreds of useless, stupid, or wrong posts. However, I do work for one of the 5 largest tennis distributors, I do play D1 college tennis, and I am an MRT. I would like to know if BKK BOY can say that.

well good for you, i'm only 16 so you cant compare. but i'm just so used to ppl posting the proof or articles right away. at least give us the names of the reps and how you know them...

Fedace
06-22-2007, 09:46 PM
I didn't know bryan's contract with Wilson had expired ? do you guys know?

pow
06-22-2007, 09:51 PM
O3 technology is not something you can just paintjob to and it's a very different experience so it's hard to believe anyone who is ranked so high, singles or doubles would go to them at the prime of their careers. (See Blake.)

johnkidd
06-22-2007, 09:57 PM
I'll play devils advocate. Wilson doesn't really promote the Bryan's. Prince recently lost Blake. In need of a high profile American male to promote the O3 technology they approach the Bryans about using their product. They hit with the sticks and like them. They sign with Prince after the Wilson contract, and get more money and exposure in the process. The Bryans and not young guys any more so I'm sure they would jump at a lucrative contract. Seems feasible to me.

Also Goldstein has had good results with the new Prince rackets, he's a fellow Stanford guy. Not sure if there is any connection there.

Rafter4ever
06-23-2007, 08:24 AM
Anyone know the head size and the string pattern of this new rac from Prince? I hope it is a 95 with 16X18. Tired of seeing Prince making those huge racquets such as their new line......110 sq in....

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 09:22 AM
Here is what I got on the 03 Speedport Black. 16x19. 27 in. 10.8 oz. 305 grams. Firm. 295 swing weight. 100 sq. in. power level of 975. Tapers top to bottom from 23 to 24 to 22.

Here is the cool part. It has an insert so you can make it play traditional with normal holes for the crosses, or leave the insert out and use it with the side speed ports.

Voltron
06-23-2007, 10:34 AM
To the OP:

Give me proof and I shall believe, until that point, I will simply assume you are incorrect.

Therefore: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/Without_pics.gif

Volt

BkK_b0y14
06-23-2007, 10:35 AM
LMAO nice one Volt, you always come through with the best comments.

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 11:12 AM
For a third time, this is what you can do to help your ability to decide without pictures. Call your local Prince rep. and hear what he/she has to say and then decide if you believe him/her. Believe it or not, that is a form of proof. Perhaps not 100% proof, but definately admissable.

Richie Rich
06-23-2007, 12:59 PM
For a third time, this is what you can do to help your ability to decide without pictures. Call your local Prince rep. and hear what he/she has to say and then decide if you believe him/her. Believe it or not, that is a form of proof. Perhaps not 100% proof, but definately admissable.

well, not really. reps will also tell you fed uses the same racquet you pick up off the store wall. anything to sell a frame

darkblue
06-23-2007, 01:15 PM
right on... marketers are (willingly) brainwashed to repeat something
like that like a broken record...

tennis racquet makers marketing has same level of credibility as a
local used car sales person.

nickb
06-23-2007, 02:24 PM
For a third time, this is what you can do to help your ability to decide without pictures. Call your local Prince rep. and hear what he/she has to say and then decide if you believe him/her. Believe it or not, that is a form of proof. Perhaps not 100% proof, but definately admissable.

Does your local prince rep have any proof?

AndrewD
06-23-2007, 02:46 PM
To the OP:

Give me proof and I shall believe, until that point, I will simply assume you are incorrect.
Volt

Voltron,

I remember, a little while ago, a new user said that Mauresmo and Llubijic were changing to Head. No-one (myself included) believed them because they didn't have any 'proof'. End result is, we were wrong.

Not saying this story is true but, it very well could be. Unless someone here happens to work for, or be, one of the parties involved (Prince, Wilson, the Bryan bros) then no-one is in a position to say the OP is definitely incorrect.


As for 'proof'. Can I just remind everyone that proof only exists after the fact. If the Bryan's are switching (are = in the future) then there won't be any press release or any pictures YET (especially if they're still under contract).

BreakPoint
06-23-2007, 03:24 PM
well, not really. reps will also tell you fed uses the same racquet you pick up off the store wall. anything to sell a frame
I, for one, do believe that the Wilson reps are telling the truth when they say that Federer is using a real K90, especially after they've admitted that he never used a real nCode 90.

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 03:52 PM
Voltron,

I remember, a little while ago, a new user said that Mauresmo and Llubijic were changing to Head. No-one (myself included) believed them because they didn't have any 'proof'. End result is, we were wrong.

Not saying this story is true but, it very well could be. Unless someone here happens to work for, or be, one of the parties involved (Prince, Wilson, the Bryan bros) then no-one is in a position to say the OP is definitely incorrect.


As for 'proof'. Can I just remind everyone that proof only exists after the fact. If the Bryan's are switching (are = in the future) then there won't be any press release or any pictures YET (especially if they're still under contract).

I don't think I could have stated it any better. Thank you.

Pr0DiGy
06-23-2007, 05:36 PM
Pr0DiGy, I don't believe them right now either, and most of your points are absolutely correct. My point is that this is no reason to lower the intelligence of everyone on this message board via posts like the following...



He insists he's right; we don't believe him without proof. Which has been promised as forthcoming. End of discussion. Nothing more (intelligent) can be added to this thread. What irked me was the multitude of people mocking the OP and acting immature. Even assuming the OP is ludicrous (which right now, I'm inclined to reserve judgement on until later), there is no reason that we can't be civil.

Obviously that quote has something wrong with it. How could Nadal lose to himself? I get your point though. It might suck for newer members, but post count does count towards credibility. Obviously, someone who has posted here many times and has already established his/her credibility won't require proof; we know they have been correct many times before and we are willing to believe them simply by their reputation. However, this poster has no reputation and almost no posts. If he told all of us Federer was switching to the Big Bubba, we all doubted him, and he acted the way he did in this thread, and ended up correct, I still wouldn't think any better of him.

Just restating/clarifying my point: If you're right about this, great for you. If you're wrong, sucks for you, your reputation on this board is going straight down the sewers. I could care less if you were right or wrong, I'm just annoyed that you absolutely point-blank refuse to accept our doubt as to your credibility.

BHStennisplayer
06-23-2007, 05:55 PM
Prince frames suck! Stay with Wilson or go to Babolat.

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 07:12 PM
Obviously that quote has something wrong with it. How could Nadal lose to himself? I get your point though. It might suck for newer members, but post count does count towards credibility. Obviously, someone who has posted here many times and has already established his/her credibility won't require proof; we know they have been correct many times before and we are willing to believe them simply by their reputation. However, this poster has no reputation and almost no posts. If he told all of us Federer was switching to the Big Bubba, we all doubted him, and he acted the way he did in this thread, and ended up correct, I still wouldn't think any better of him.

Just restating/clarifying my point: If you're right about this, great for you. If you're wrong, sucks for you, your reputation on this board is going straight down the sewers. I could care less if you were right or wrong, I'm just annoyed that you absolutely point-blank refuse to accept our doubt as to your credibility.

Are you kidding me? What is wrong with you? Look at post #12 and #24. Both acknowledge that I DO UNDERSTAND THE CREDIBITLITY ISSUE. I WOULD IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES TOO. So please think about what you're typing when you say that I absolutely point-blank refuse to accept our doubt as to your credibility. At this point it is you who is losing any credibility by what you type.

Buckeye10s
06-23-2007, 07:13 PM
This is an email I got from my Prince Rep today concearning the Bryan's switch...

As we move into the back half of the year, we continue with very strong momentum on tour and in all of our grassroots programs. We have close to 100 touring pros playing O3 technology and have over 200 O3 wins on tour including 7 grand slams. We have the #2 and #3 female players in the world, the #3 male player in the world as well as 3 of the top 4 women's doubles players on tour.....all playing O3. It was just about one year ago that we announced our lifetime agreement with Maria and she won her second Grand Slam title at the 2006 US Open, playing O3.

And the momentum continues. It is with great excitement that we announce the signing of the #1 men's doubles team in the world, Mike and Bob Bryan. They have joined our team and beginning July 15th, will both be playing the O3 Speedport Black.

For the Bryans to make this kind of change, after being with their current racquet company since they were juniors, had to take something pretty special. And Speedport was it. The Brothers playtested the frames and felt they could play better and win even more matches with Speedport.

Moving forward, Mike and Bob, along with their Dad, Wayne, will be an integral part of our marketing strategy, supporting Speedport as well as the entire O3 product line. We will integrate the brothers into our Speedport ad campaign and will ramp up with additional visibility as we move through the year with exciting new programs as well as opportunities to promote doubles play.

Hopefully this will open some eyes! I wondered why they hadn't switched to a K Factor yet...

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 07:17 PM
Nice email. Still 80% won't believe you. Lord knows I do.

Buckeye10s
06-23-2007, 07:29 PM
You are dealing with cynics here Jgooser. They all think that every player on the tour is playing with a Paintjob with either a PS 85 or Prestige underneath!

Jgooser
06-23-2007, 07:33 PM
My guess is that too many people have cried wolf on other matters and now a great majority are very cynical. That plus the maturity level of some leaves a bit to be desired.

nn
06-23-2007, 07:37 PM
100% believe you

Buckeye10s
06-23-2007, 07:41 PM
What should be getting discussed in this forum is the fact that they are switching! They have been with Wilson since they came on the scene. Either Prince paid them a boat load of cash.... or this O3 Black is a serious stick! I know that I am a lot more interested in carrying it in my shop now. And I do see this as a major loss for Wilson. Tursonov and Fish are no replacement for the #1 doubles (and the only marketable) team in the world!

johnkidd
06-23-2007, 08:06 PM
This is an email I got from my Prince Rep today concearning the Bryan's switch...

As we move into the back half of the year, we continue with very strong momentum on tour and in all of our grassroots programs. We have close to 100 touring pros playing O3 technology and have over 200 O3 wins on tour including 7 grand slams. We have the #2 and #3 female players in the world, the #3 male player in the world as well as 3 of the top 4 women's doubles players on tour.....all playing O3. It was just about one year ago that we announced our lifetime agreement with Maria and she won her second Grand Slam title at the 2006 US Open, playing O3.

And the momentum continues. It is with great excitement that we announce the signing of the #1 men's doubles team in the world, Mike and Bob Bryan. They have joined our team and beginning July 15th, will both be playing the O3 Speedport Black.

For the Bryans to make this kind of change, after being with their current racquet company since they were juniors, had to take something pretty special. And Speedport was it. The Brothers playtested the frames and felt they could play better and win even more matches with Speedport.

Moving forward, Mike and Bob, along with their Dad, Wayne, will be an integral part of our marketing strategy, supporting Speedport as well as the entire O3 product line. We will integrate the brothers into our Speedport ad campaign and will ramp up with additional visibility as we move through the year with exciting new programs as well as opportunities to promote doubles play.

Hopefully this will open some eyes! I wondered why they hadn't switched to a K Factor yet...
Thanks for sharing the e-mail. Seems like the secenario I laid out earlier in the thread

johnkidd
06-23-2007, 08:07 PM
I'll play devils advocate. Wilson doesn't really promote the Bryan's. Prince recently lost Blake. In need of a high profile American male to promote the O3 technology they approach the Bryans about using their product. They hit with the sticks and like them. They sign with Prince after the Wilson contract, and get more money and exposure in the process. The Bryans and not young guys any more so I'm sure they would jump at a lucrative contract. Seems feasible to me.

Also Goldstein has had good results with the new Prince rackets, he's a fellow Stanford guy. Not sure if there is any connection there.

I did miss getting their dad involved

aznspongehead
06-23-2007, 10:13 PM
Ok, honestly I don't think anyone would take the time to "BS" an email like that... credible enough for me... honestly though, what is with everyone trying to crush a "new" poster? The guy isn't even that new, he's been here since last November... maybe he's just one of those guys that don't post unless they have something truely interesting (like this thing right here)... I think you guys need to at least give things like these the benefit of the doubt, because this would really discourage people from sharing things like this in the future.

Duzza
06-23-2007, 10:45 PM
I believe the news....not that hard to. Good on them, I think they'll suit Prince well.

BreakPoint
06-23-2007, 11:07 PM
Let's see how they do with their new Prince racquets. Personally, I could never volley very well with any Prince racquet I've ever tried.

BkK_b0y14
06-23-2007, 11:47 PM
thanks for posting the email.

Richie Rich
06-24-2007, 01:17 AM
I, for one, do believe that the Wilson reps are telling the truth when they say that Federer is using a real K90, especially after they've admitted that he never used a real nCode 90.

fair enough but what were most of them saying when the ncode 90 was around? i've heard more than one tell people that fed was using it.

Richie Rich
06-24-2007, 01:21 AM
For the Bryans to make this kind of change, after being with their current racquet company since they were juniors, had to take something pretty special. And Speedport was it. The Brothers playtested the frames and felt they could play better and win even more matches with Speedport.

i guess what they really meant was "we paid them enough $ to switch to a totally new frame". wow. this kind of switch doesn't happen too often.

MasturB
06-24-2007, 02:38 AM
Can someone tell me what was the whole James Blake issue?

Duzza
06-24-2007, 03:41 AM
Can someone tell me what was the whole James Blake issue?

They got him, but he kept using a Dunlop frame because he was experimenting but couldn't find anything he liked from them. So I think they got a bit aggitated and dropped him or he dropped them and went back to Dunlop full.

equinox
06-24-2007, 04:14 AM
Anythings possible since the Bryans have lost a few big matches recently.

Greg Raven
06-24-2007, 06:11 AM
[...] Wilson doesn't really promote the Bryan's. [...]

Really? I remember receiving things from them pointing out that Wilson has the number one men's singles player, the number one women's singles player, and the number one doubles team.

Greg Raven
06-24-2007, 06:24 AM
Nice email. Still 80% won't believe you. Lord knows I do.

One of the problems with your "a rep told me" source was that last year, people a LOT higher up in Prince were stating as fact that James Blake would be using an identifiably Prince racquet at the 2007 AO.

There have been similarly unhelpful verbal assurances of things to come from other racquet company representatives, IIRC.

This is not to say that Prince, or any other racquet manufacturer, tells lies on a routine basis, but rather because there is many a siip between the cup and the lip, an extraordinary claim such as this one requires extraordinary evidence.

Thanks for breaking this news item, but around here, "a rep told me" is likely not to be taken too seriously.

Jgooser
06-24-2007, 06:39 AM
As are other cynical people who won't be taken too seriously.

Adrupert
06-24-2007, 10:41 AM
They probably included the inserts so that they can have the bryan brothers just use a PJ'd racket and have an excuse as to why there are no holes.

johnkidd
06-24-2007, 11:39 AM
Really? I remember receiving things from them pointing out that Wilson has the number one men's singles player, the number one women's singles player, and the number one doubles team.
I've seen more ads recently for them using Tourna Grip then Wilson rackets. It also seems like Wilson is really trying brand with Fed, which isn't a bad move considering his current status and what he has done. If you also look at the Babolat ads it seems like they'll take out two, one with Rafa, one with Roddick.
Prince really has no one they can hang their hat on marketing wise here in the US outside of Sharapova. Problem is then it makes the O3 look like it's a women's stick. I'm convinced that is why they signed Blake, when they lost him due to the racket issue they needed a male, US face to push. They aren't going to get Roddick, and Sam Querry could be in the future but not right now. The Bryan's seem like a very good fit. High profile and good guys.

BreakPoint
06-24-2007, 12:15 PM
fair enough but what were most of them saying when the ncode 90 was around? i've heard more than one tell people that fed was using it.
But I don't think they ever put out any press releases about it when Federer used the nCode 90 paintjob. When the K90 came out, Wilson's press releases said that "For the very first time ever, the public will be able to buy the same exact racquet that Federer uses on tour."

AlpineCadet
06-24-2007, 12:44 PM
But I don't think they ever put out any press releases about it when Federer used the nCode 90 paintjob. When the K90 came out, Wilson's press releases said that "For the very first time ever, the public will be able to buy the same exact racquet that Federer uses on tour."

Now that the retail rackets and the actual Fed rackets cosmetically match each other 100%, of course Wilson will be able to make that claim. But who knows what's under Federer's actual racket.

Honestly though, would Roger Federer rather use a ProStaff 85 composite in the Tour 90 mold, or would he rather use the retail k90? Thank you.

BDAZ
06-24-2007, 02:01 PM
shows you the state of the doubles game in professional tennis when the #1 doubles team is hardly in any of the marketing. not only the #1, but the #2 (at least they had been) as well (bjorkman and myrni). the bryans are more prominently displayed in adidas adds than they are in wilson adds. this signing is by no means the saving grace for prince, but it should help them. just can't believe the twins would use the black. maybe they'll pj the current o3 tour. might be tough on tv to tell the difference between o-ports and speedports.

Voltron
06-24-2007, 02:19 PM
Voltron,

I remember, a little while ago, a new user said that Mauresmo and Llubijic were changing to Head. No-one (myself included) believed them because they didn't have any 'proof'. End result is, we were wrong.

Not saying this story is true but, it very well could be. Unless someone here happens to work for, or be, one of the parties involved (Prince, Wilson, the Bryan bros) then no-one is in a position to say the OP is definitely incorrect.


As for 'proof'. Can I just remind everyone that proof only exists after the fact. If the Bryan's are switching (are = in the future) then there won't be any press release or any pictures YET (especially if they're still under contract). You are correct, what I mean to say is, until someone from Prince confirms it, I don't think it's entirely fair to assume everyone will believe the OPs post. Speaking of which, I believe I shall see a Prince rep tomorrow, I'll ask him.

johnkidd
06-24-2007, 02:37 PM
What I love about this board is the fact people here will use multiple frames at the same time, but have a hard time believing that pros do not change rackets, and if they do it has to be a paint job or custom frame. McEnroe, Connors and Evert (I'd say they are all in the top 20 of alltime players) went to graphite midsize rackets in 83-84 from traditional sized heads. All were top 5 in the world at the time. I checked my old SIis and Connors used the T-2000 at Wimbledon in '84 and used the Pro-Staff at the US Open. I would think that would be a bigger jump then a pro today changing frames.

PBODY99
06-24-2007, 03:56 PM
Just as long as the bring home the doubles point in Davis Cup, I could care less. Now if I was about 6'3" and 25 again....................................

West Coast Ace
06-24-2007, 04:20 PM
What I love about this board is the fact people here will use multiple frames at the same time, but have a hard time believing that pros do not change rackets, and if they do it has to be a paint job or custom frame. McEnroe, Connors and Evert (I'd say they are all in the top 20 of alltime players) went to graphite midsize rackets in 83-84 from traditional sized heads. All were top 5 in the world at the time. I checked my old SIis and Connors used the T-2000 at Wimbledon in '84 and used the Pro-Staff at the US Open. I would think that would be a bigger jump then a pro today changing frames.That's a bogus analogy. Technology was making huge leaps at that time. Unless you wanted to be left behind there was no choice.

And considering how superstitious players are (the same # of sips of water during changeovers, eating at the same restaurants, etc...), I can't see them diddling with different rackets. Trying out different weighting options on their frame, sure. But different manufacturers, NFW.

I 2nd the $$$$$ theory...

D. Nelson
06-24-2007, 04:36 PM
...all I know is that you guys (and gal, Lindsay!!) sure can extrapolate every variation of what you think somebody ELSE means....OUCH !!!! I just want to see pictures of the 03 Black !! Sounds like a good doubles frame....hhhhmmmm....Bryans....???!?!?! :)

johnkidd
06-24-2007, 05:15 PM
That's a bogus analogy. Technology was making huge leaps at that time. Unless you wanted to be left behind there was no choice.

And considering how superstitious players are (the same # of sips of water during changeovers, eating at the same restaurants, etc...), I can't see them diddling with different rackets. Trying out different weighting options on their frame, sure. But different manufacturers, NFW.

I 2nd the $$$$$ theory...

Bogus Analogy???? Please explain? You made my point by saying the part about the rackets at that time making jumps in technology. My point was these players were able to swith from wood/T-2000 standard size frames to midsize graphite frames. That is a quantum jump in racket playability. The fact is they did it and were still very successful.Today you could swith racket manufacturer's and find a frame that had near identical specs to your old racket. It would not be as big of jump. If today's players are that superstious or just can't adapt to a new frame maybe it shows that the players in the past were actually better tennis players?
I agree Prince more then likely made them a great offer. I'm also willing to bet this stick isn't that disimilar from what they actuallu use.

mileslong
06-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Just because a person hasn't posted on here hundreds of times doesn't mean the information is incorrect. I understand the credibility issue. Hopefully, once the official announcement is made, my credibility will soar. lol.
your credibility would soar if you would just post a link...

kaztennis
06-25-2007, 12:52 AM
I was told by the rep it was just a new cosmetic with a new name. As for those who don't think I'm credible, I don't care. I don't have tons of posts because I have better things to do with my days, and this isn't a highly credible message board. There are hundreds of people with hundreds of useless, stupid, or wrong posts. However, I do work for one of the 5 largest tennis distributors, I do play D1 college tennis, and I am an MRT. I would like to know if BKK BOY can say that.
I totally agree with what you said about the credibility based on the number of postings too. Not that it's bad to have many postings as every people has their own value in life, but I personally think that there are a lot of other (better)things to do in this world :)

Totally agree. Something exists or not(existence) has nothing to do with the number of postings or whether there is a picture or not. (But when someone using the word 'fact' it can be interpreted differently) It's like saying we have this thing called Moon and some people in this world already know it but the others who hasn't seen a picture saying it isn't there just because he/she hasn't seen it. In addition, photos or information does not actually make it a fact..it's all in their minds. Just because there's a photo, or because the news said it, will that make everything reported to be true? ( I know some people believes everything the mass media says...). Even some science formulas. If you really want to believe what the world believes as a fact, you need to be able to satsify your mind first regardless of what the other people say just like Richard Feynman tried to confirm some of the basic physic formulas. If you have a scientifical mind or someone who can think logically, you'll understand the difference between 0% and 0.01%. Some of the things in this world can not still be measured/discovered and say if today's machine says an element does not exist in a closed system, that does not mean it's not there. It means that with today's technology, it can't be detected. In a few more years, the machine may be more refined and may be able to detect that 0.000000001%. I think some people would benefit from reading more books on science, philosophy and psychology(etc) to make their lives richer than boasting what their NTRP or world ranking is as even if you become the top of something, with a poor innerself, life would be unhappy. Look at some celebrities who had fame and money but committed suicide.

Anyways, tennis is tennis and it sure is a part of life to most people here and hope whatever the new racquet is, everyone lives a happier life.:D

Peace!

ngtaj88
06-27-2007, 05:02 PM
i just talked to my prince rep today and asked if the bryan brothers were switching to prince and he freaked out wondering how i already knew. so believe it or not im going to confirm jgooser and lindsay and laugh at everyone that didnt believe them because they didn't have "enough posts."

Lindsay
06-27-2007, 05:21 PM
Hooray for me!

D. Nelson
06-27-2007, 05:25 PM
....Hahahaaa!!!! "I'M" still waiting for pictures of the 'Black Speedport' frame...?!?!?!!?! :)

Jgooser
06-27-2007, 05:38 PM
i just talked to my prince rep today and asked if the bryan brothers were switching to prince and he freaked out wondering how i already knew. so believe it or not im going to confirm jgooser and lindsay and laugh at everyone that didnt believe them because they didn't have "enough posts."

I've been laughing for five days.

Bodacious DVT
06-27-2007, 06:11 PM
i asked my rep (and former coach) about it today. he asked how i found out and said that it was supposed to be "confidential", but none the less confirmed it. I've taken lessons from him for years and really dont think that he would lie to me.

iplaybetter
06-27-2007, 06:15 PM
i talked to a rep yesterday and he confirmed it, said it was something like 3mil

baseliner87
06-27-2007, 06:45 PM
yeah i spoke to a rep here in aus and he confirmed it, and he said there is going to be another big sighning apparently a top male player.

anyone got any info on that?

D. Nelson
06-27-2007, 06:49 PM
....c'mon now !!!!?!?!? I think we might be stretching the 'prognosticating' a little bit....errr....uh......I think it might rain tomorrow.....(somewhere!!)...!!!

.................................................. ......................................OUCH !!!!!!

Lindsay
06-27-2007, 06:54 PM
I will get pics of the Black at work tomorrow if I can find the demo.

D. Nelson
06-27-2007, 07:09 PM
...great !! How is that one going to compare with the new Orange Speedport racquet...?!?!?!?

Bodacious DVT
06-27-2007, 07:56 PM
i think the rep had them both today. said something about each one coming with the speedports and with normal ports. looked pretty sweet. didnt get to demo them because a million little kids swarmed and took whatever they could find

Geoff
06-27-2007, 08:03 PM
For what it is worth...I was in a large tennis/golf chain in Atlanta tonight. The salesman said that the new Prince Black Ozone was available for demoing this weekend in the store (they have an indoor court). The same racket to be used by the Bryan brothers. This conversation was initiated by him as I was just looking in the store.

schaefferm46
06-27-2007, 10:33 PM
i hit with the new speedport tour and black today. the new sts system makes the rackets feel more traditional.

psp2
06-27-2007, 10:37 PM
i hit with the new speedport tour and black today. the new sts system makes the rackets feel more traditional.

I tested the SP Tour w/ the grommets. I liked it much better than the one w/ the SPorts.

Fedfan4life
06-27-2007, 11:38 PM
This just in, Roger Federer goes to Prince. He will be sporting their new O3 White MS. Ask your Prince rep.

NO FRIEKIN' WAY!!! lol.

Dave M
06-28-2007, 05:12 AM
NO FRIEKIN' WAY!!! lol.

probably not, no.

Fedace
06-28-2007, 05:38 AM
Any pictures of their rackets ??

Lindsay
06-28-2007, 11:08 AM
FYI- I don't think its the Ozone Black. That kinda sounds like a product of global warming. There are 3 new racquets, the Ozone(7 I think), the O3 Black, and the O3 Speedport Tour. I could be wrong, but I think those are the distinctions.

PBODY99
06-28-2007, 11:29 AM
There is an ad with the Speedport Black pictured in the current RSI magazine. You can use inserts to tailor the feel.

The OZONE are reinforced O_ports for the renamed Silver(1), Blue(4) & the Tour(7).

Lindsay
06-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Thanks PBODY

Stringer_Steve
06-28-2007, 03:18 PM
There are 3 OZONE racquets (1,4 & 7) and there is a Speedport Tour (orange colored) and Speedport Black

Jonny S&V
06-28-2007, 04:02 PM
your credibility would soar if you would just post a link...

He really couldn't because it was him talking to his Prince rep, not him finding this on the net.

JW10S
07-01-2007, 04:16 PM
Wilson has publically announced that the Bryans will no longer use their racquets and will be switching to Prince after the Wimbledon Championships.

http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=20978

couch
07-02-2007, 07:33 PM
Where did all the naysayers go?

AlpineCadet
07-03-2007, 01:08 AM
hmm, where DID they go?

D. Nelson
07-03-2007, 04:01 PM
.......Hahahaa!! They're probably out trying to get their hands on the Bryan's REPLACEMENT RACQUETS !! OUCH !!!

AJK1
07-03-2007, 08:52 PM
Yes, there's a lot of a-holes on these boards, good on the poster for sticking his neck out and saying the truth. ;)

simi
07-03-2007, 09:11 PM
Please forgive my ignorance. I can only speak from personal experience. I'm using a specific racket. It works for me. If I were given free copies, I'd use them. If for whatever reason, the company no longer gives me those rackets free, I'd just go out and purchase a batch. Pros are a lot more particular with their equipment than I am. Switching will most likely take an adjustment period. Even if they lost the free rackets, why can't the just continue to use them, purchased with their own funds? What am I missing?

JW10S
07-03-2007, 09:24 PM
Please forgive my ignorance. I can only speak from personal experience. I'm using a specific racket. It works for me. If I were given free copies, I'd use them. If for whatever reason, the company no longer gives me those rackets free, I'd just go out and purchase a batch. Pros are a lot more particular with their equipment than I am. Switching will most likely take an adjustment period. Even if they lost the free rackets, why can't the just continue to use them, purchased with their own funds? What am I missing?They aren't just getting them free--marquee players are paid a lot by the racquet companies to use their product. You can bet the Bryans are getting more $ from Prince than they got from Wilson--hence the switch.

wksoh
07-09-2007, 04:31 AM
Jgooser and Lindsay have great credibility now... ^^

Lindsay
07-09-2007, 07:33 AM
Wow, thanks. With that being said, next week I will have pics for you guys of the new Storm, Storm Tour, Z-Lite and 1 more(I forget which it is.) from Babolat. Just saw the new Z-Lite, but to keep people from fighting about whether or not this is true, I will post pics next week.

Jgooser
07-09-2007, 07:55 AM
Jgooser and Lindsay have great credibility now... ^^

What a relief.

Now if I can just find a way to get my posts up to 1000 and really hike my credibility.

sunflowerhx
07-09-2007, 08:14 AM
Bryan Brothers, Mens Doubles who cares??

They get so little TV coverage that I wonder why Prince or Wilson would want to fight for their endorsement.

D. Nelson
07-09-2007, 09:22 AM
.....you're really a little bit 'light' if you really think/believe that....

wksoh
07-09-2007, 09:58 AM
I think of Bryan brothers all the time about their Wilsons whenever I have doubles games. And I seemed to be playing so much doubles these days even though it's not my preference...

And yes... I wasn't not too curious about the O3 Black until the news about the Bryan Bros switching. I'll be keeping an eye on the O3 Black from now... ^^. I guess this kind of news have an effect on weak people like me... ^^

int3rsc0p3
07-09-2007, 08:15 PM
Not to mention Wilson offers the least amount of money any major sponsorship company offers. WAY less.

JW10S
07-09-2007, 08:35 PM
Not to mention Wilson offers the least amount of money any major sponsorship company offers. WAY less.Not true...

tennisrules531
07-10-2007, 05:17 AM
i can't see the bryan brothers switching to Prince, but I guess I will have to.

I am used to them having Wilson racquets

abenguyen
07-10-2007, 07:43 AM
i can't see the bryan brothers switching to Prince, but I guess I will have to.

I am used to them having Wilson racquets

you are going to switch to prince cause the bryans are?

BluDiamond
07-10-2007, 09:19 AM
now wimbledon is over...has anyone got a pic with them actually holding a Prince racket???

dyvan
07-10-2007, 09:48 AM
TW has the Bryans up on the TW prince racquet page as endorsing the 03 Speedport black.

logansc
07-10-2007, 02:09 PM
Yup it appears the OP turned out to be right, they are on the prince page and if you click on their pics it has them listed as using the speedport black.

uni
07-10-2007, 08:21 PM
I saw them playing today and they were using the speedport blacks

Lindsay
07-10-2007, 08:25 PM
I will see them at WTT on Saturday in Missouri and I will bring my camera for you non-believers!

uni
07-10-2007, 08:28 PM
I saw them today at WTT but it was hard to get a picture

AlpineCadet
07-10-2007, 08:29 PM
you are going to switch to prince cause the bryans are?

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I've noticed this in other threads as well. lol, I'm just teasing ya. ;)

johnkidd
07-11-2007, 12:36 PM
The sad thing is TW has their webpage updated to include the Bryans and I don't see anything on the Prince website.

ChipNCharge
07-11-2007, 12:41 PM
I will see them at WTT on Saturday in Missouri

Any idea if they're also playing in the WTT match in Springfield on Sunday, 7/15?

darkblue
07-11-2007, 01:01 PM
Even though OP was correct in his/her claim (I never accused them of incorrect
information - just credibility issue), a sales representative SHOULD NOT
reveal insider information before it is supposed to be public. According to Wilson, they were Wilson sponsored pros until the end of Wimbledon, and the OP/rep released the information leading to negative impacts to Wilson's brand management. So this is professional moral issue :p

Tom Rohrbacher
07-11-2007, 01:44 PM
They'll be playing with the Speedport black frames at the LA Tournament in late July. Looks like Wilson is doing its best to implode.

ayyhwang
07-11-2007, 01:49 PM
you are going to switch to prince cause the bryans are?

I think he means that he will have to see the Bryans with Prince now that they've switched

bsandy
07-12-2007, 06:49 AM
Even though OP was correct in his/her claim (I never accused them of incorrect
information - just credibility issue), a sales representative SHOULD NOT
reveal insider information before it is supposed to be public. According to Wilson, they were Wilson sponsored pros until the end of Wimbledon, and the OP/rep released the information leading to negative impacts to Wilson's brand management. So this is professional moral issue :p

More of a moral issue than "paint jobs" ? ? ?

D. Nelson
07-12-2007, 03:31 PM
Nice Point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gjoc
07-15-2007, 05:34 PM
yeah i spoke to a rep here in aus and he confirmed it, and he said there is going to be another big sighning apparently a top male player.

anyone got any info on that?

How about it Jgooser?

You scooped everybody when you broke the news on the Bryans' switch.

Any word from your sources as to who this "top male player" might be?

lol, Please don't say "James Blake."

Hey, since baseliner87 heard something in Australia, maybe it's LLeyton Hewitt?

Jgooser
07-15-2007, 07:56 PM
gjoc,

The local Prince rep here has been my best friend for over 20 years and he always tells me what's going on since I'm the Tennis Director at my facility. I mentioned that post to him and he has no knowledge of another pro signing with Prince. He just got back from a Prince sales meeting in NY which was for clothes and shoes only, and he asked around and he has no information about any more signings.

I'll report if I hear anything.

Bubba
07-18-2007, 02:02 AM
Has anyone validated the rumor? FYI TW is carrying the Brothers on the Prince Racquet pages so I'm assuming it has been verified/published?!

PBODY99
07-18-2007, 02:16 AM
Yes the press release is out. The father and the brothers are now with Prince. Frame Speedport Black with the inserts

Bubba
07-18-2007, 02:36 AM
Thanks for the intel.

bsandy
07-18-2007, 11:33 AM
Still waiting for the pics . . . Bud

Lindsay
07-18-2007, 12:44 PM
I have the pics from WTT, just no cord to hook up my camera. I will get a cord in the next few days. Also have pics of 4 new Babolats that are coming out. You guys will be amazed! Storm, Storm Tour, Aero Storm and Z-Lite.

Jgooser
07-18-2007, 01:08 PM
http://www.princetennis.com/tennis/files/product.aspx?cid=291&ProductId=1694

Nadal_Rulz
07-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Saw them play tonight at the Countrywide in LA, after they won they were like ya this prince speedoport black is our new stick its really great and everyone laughed haha..

AlpineCadet
07-18-2007, 11:22 PM
Why would "everyone laugh" at that?

Duzza
07-18-2007, 11:45 PM
I have the pics from WTT, just no cord to hook up my camera. I will get a cord in the next few days. Also have pics of 4 new Babolats that are coming out. You guys will be amazed! Storm, Storm Tour, Aero Storm and Z-Lite.

Bit late but thanks anyway!

Nadal_Rulz
07-19-2007, 12:24 AM
because they were clearly promoting the product during their post-win interview

aidenous
07-19-2007, 06:41 AM
It's only about the money

TheKingOfClay
07-19-2007, 06:57 AM
so I guess a rookie poster can actually have REAL info as well huh... I guess now people will think twice before insulting them... good job j!!! pretty sweet racquet and a great link...

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
07-19-2007, 07:13 AM
so I guess a rookie poster can actually have REAL info as well huh... I guess now people will think twice before insulting them... good job j!!! pretty sweet racquet and a great link...

I agree, good job. ;)

BDAZ
07-19-2007, 07:40 AM
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/Search/Detail.aspx?axd=DetailPaging.Search|1&axs=0|75542073%2c75542028%2c75542025%2c75541976%2c 75541974%2c75541970%2c75541969%2c75541964%2c755419 55%2c75541951%2c75541864%2c75541856%2c75541853%2c7 5541269%2c75440432%2c75440364%2c75440353%2c7527867 1%2c75274580%2c75274579%2c75272855%2c75272624%2c75 272564%2c75272550%2c75272545%2c75272534%2c75272526 %2c75272514%2c75272504%2c75272503%2c75272499%2c752 72498%2c75272489%2c75272488%2c75272440%2c75272433% 2c75272416%2c75272178%2c75272156%2c75272148%2c7527 2059%2c75271690%2c75271650%2c75271613%2c75271593%2 c75271556%2c75271457%2c75271321%2c75257804%2c75257 797%2c75257796%2c75257787%2c75025277%2c75025276%2c 75025271%2c75025269%2c75025266%2c75025225%2c746909 64%2c74690954&id=75541974

Greg Raven
07-19-2007, 04:33 PM
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/news/2007/07/the_bryan_brothers_switch_to_p.html

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
07-19-2007, 04:35 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=140201&page=8

Fedace
07-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Bryans have supposedly have switched to speedport black but tonight, Mike Bryan's racket looks extra long to me. I thought speedport black was supposed to be 27 inches long.??

FedUp
07-20-2007, 08:30 PM
Bryans have supposedly have switched to speedport black but tonight, Mike Bryan's racket looks extra long to me. I thought speedport black was supposed to be 27 inches long.??

It is supposed to be 27". Probably another customized frame we will never get to try.

Fedace
07-20-2007, 08:44 PM
It is supposed to be 27". Probably another customized frame we will never get to try.

Oh yea, it looks definitely long, looks like 27.75 or even 28 inches ?? Mike Bryans Prince that is. Bob's racket looks standard lenght. Mike Bryan said the racket added 5-10 mph to his serve and he is serving as big as bob. That is very scary. I think i will go buy one right now. but where do i get the extended version of this racket.????:confused:

tsmcauliffe
07-20-2007, 08:54 PM
http://www.tenniswire.org/archives/2007/jul/pr_861.html

saram
07-21-2007, 09:51 AM
Oh yea, it looks definitely long, looks like 27.75 or even 28 inches ?? Mike Bryans Prince that is. Bob's racket looks standard lenght. Mike Bryan said the racket added 5-10 mph to his serve and he is serving as big as bob. That is very scary. I think i will go buy one right now. but where do i get the extended version of this racket.????:confused:


I saw that he mentioned he was not consistently serving in the 130's at times with the new stick. I wonder if it is just the confidence we sometimes get when we get a new stick in our hands or if the racket really has that much more pop than the nPro's they were using in the past. None the less--they did play and serve really well...and seemed to have all the confidence in the world with the new sticks....their transition was impressive last night.

jaykay
07-21-2007, 09:17 PM
Yay! More power to you, jgooser! Serves the naysayers right for playing the 'seniority card' here on the TW messg board. More posts does not mean more brains.

I have been seeing the Countrywide matches on TTC and I am already a bit tired of the shameless plugs that the Bryan Bros are doing for Prince in almost every post-match interview... Looks like they made a pile of money switching to Prince.

sureshs
07-22-2007, 12:06 PM
I watched the Bryans plug the new sticks twice - after the 1st set when they said it added 5 mph to the serve, then again after the match. The commentators also mentioned this twice at least. The four aces or near aces that were served from 0-3 down seems to attest to this.

Could it really be true? The speedports adding to the speed? Even if it did, would it matter at the swing speeds of recreational players, or could the effect be actually more?

I am really intrigued. I don't think the Bryans were doing it just for promotion. They asked everyone to switch to Prince.

PS: one of the serves clocked 141

Bottle Rocket
07-22-2007, 12:19 PM
I just saw the last set of their match with Coetzee/Moddie...

Mike was serving at 5-6 in the second set. Bob and Mike were down 0-40, or 4 set points. Right at that point one of the announcers said:

"Since they switched to their new rackets, they have follen in love with big first serves. I am not sure if that is such a great idea in doubles.".

Then Mike hit 4 huge first serves and they won the game and went on to win the tie breaker.

There were a couple serves hit by the Bryans around 139 and I think one at 141?

It is obvious that changes in rackets make significant differences in someones game, especially when it comes to serving. Most of the new 03 rackets have the kind of weight, balance, and stiffness to make them really great serving rackest. Whether the 03 technology has anything to do with their serving, we will never know. Whether they are actually using the 03 Black that consumers can get their hands on, I don't think we'll ever know that either. I think we can be pretty sure there aren't too many similarities other than the holes and the color.

I think one thing we do know is that switching from older and dated tennis rackets to a newer technology or newer model is not always just hype and marketing - only most of the time.

Just to add something to my post, I thought I would include some of the match statistics.

The Bryans had 4 aces, as did the other team.
The other team did not hit a single double falt, the Bryans hit two.
The point spread at the end of the match was something like 63 to 61.

It looks like more of an issue of good serves when they are needed the most, sort of like Federer has been known to do. I don't think you can give a racket credit for that, can you?

I also like the TW summary of the racket. In the same paragraph that it says, "The Speedport Black is the racquet of choice for World No.1 doubles team, the Bryan Brothers." it also says, "Well worth a demo for attacking 3.5 to 5.0 level players."

Anyway, I don't usually get into all this pro racket debate, but this one is interesting...

herosol
07-22-2007, 03:03 PM
only 4 Aces?

No-touch right?
Cause if you count touched aces, then it was hella alot more.

Anyways.
Lol after the Moodie/Coetzee match after the 1st set, they were talking to the Bryans, and i forgot which one said "Yea. this new prince racket gave me an extra 5 mph"

I sat there, going. lol. Prince should be happy.

I never realized how great the Bryan are at serving. So much pace and placement.

JMS
07-22-2007, 04:38 PM
only 4 Aces?

No-touch right?
Cause if you count touched aces, then it was hella alot more.

Anyways.
Lol after the Moodie/Coetzee match after the 1st set, they were talking to the Bryans, and i forgot which one said "Yea. this new prince racket gave me an extra 5 mph"

I sat there, going. lol. Prince should be happy.

I never realized how great the Bryan are at serving. So much pace and placement.

if it is touched it is not an ace

ollinger
07-22-2007, 04:55 PM
I switched to this stick a week ago and find the combination of spin and pop makes it a terrific serving racquet. I imagine Bob and Mike have some added mass in theirs as it's not the easiest racquet with which to really stick a volley.

sureshs
07-23-2007, 07:55 AM
I switched to this stick a week ago and find the combination of spin and pop makes it a terrific serving racquet. I imagine Bob and Mike have some added mass in theirs as it's not the easiest racquet with which to really stick a volley.

I am sure they are using something customized to around 13 oz.

jpflip509
07-24-2007, 03:46 PM
does anyone know the reason why? im just curious

BreakPoint
07-24-2007, 03:47 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

A.T.S.
07-24-2007, 03:52 PM
Maybe they thought that they had to change. After all change can be a good thing. Also Prince might have offered them something more than Wilson.

TheShaun
07-24-2007, 04:41 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

couldn't have said it better myself.

babolat15
07-24-2007, 04:43 PM
its all about the benjamins

dave333
07-24-2007, 06:14 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Short and to the point.

Perfect.

armand
07-24-2007, 06:20 PM
You mean it wasn't because of the sweet zone???

User Name
07-24-2007, 06:24 PM
wilson really wasnt using the bryan brothers as well as they could have. Prince will really use them well to market the o3 black

mileslong
07-25-2007, 11:24 AM
does anyone know where they add this extra mass? i didnt see any lead tape on the hoop. i heard that they were set up way headlight like 12 pts or something so i was wondering where in the grip they added the weight...

D. Nelson
07-25-2007, 11:28 AM
...I even heard more like 15 points headlight....!!?!?!?!?

AlpineCadet
07-26-2007, 06:53 PM
I switched to this stick a week ago and find the combination of spin and pop makes it a terrific serving racquet. I imagine Bob and Mike have some added mass in theirs as it's not the easiest racquet with which to really stick a volley.

I hit with the racket last week, and my serves were pretty big. My groundies were a bit unstable though. Also, to me, the Speedports really do seem to increase your racket head speed due to aerodynamics.

ma2t
07-31-2007, 08:45 AM
I hit with the racket last week, and my serves were pretty big. My groundies were a bit unstable though. Also, to me, the Speedports really do seem to increase your racket head speed due to aerodynamics.

I agree that the Speedport Black is great for serves. I couldn't volley with it, though.

Tchocky
08-06-2007, 08:53 AM
I was watching Bob & Mike playing Erlich & Ram yesterday. I noticed they are no longer playing with their nCodes. Does anyone know why they made the switch? I'm assuming their contract with Wilson was coming to an end and Prince offered them more money.

Roger_Federer.
08-06-2007, 08:54 AM
There have been a couple of threads about their switch. Also the TW homepage has the new on it.

Eviscerator
08-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Most likely $$$$$$

psamp14
08-06-2007, 10:25 AM
this is slightly old news, but here is their new racquet of choice, courtesy TW:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage.html?PCODE=SP03BK

i dont know exactly which ncode surge (or other) racquet they used before

DNShade
09-09-2007, 03:46 PM
thanks dnshade i kind of do
i rewatched the video and heard this time about adding 10 grams or what not to their racket
where did they add this weight?
most likely the grip of it? to get a more handle heavy feeling?

I have no idea about their specs - didn't get to hit with their sticks or anything...Probably leaded up some I would think but have no idea. This was right after they switched as well so they may have been still tweaking them and trying to find their own likes etc.

Ash Doyle
09-10-2007, 05:27 AM
i rewatched the video and heard this time about adding 10 grams or what not to their racket


Actually, the didn't say that they add 10 grams to the Speedport Black. What they actually said is that they added 10 grams more than the weight of their old racquets. They were talking about the aerodynamics of the Speedport made it possible to make the racquets 10 grams heavier than the weight they were used to without losing racquet head speed.

You can find their old raqcuet weight in a post by Jura.

galatti
10-24-2007, 12:46 PM
Actually, the didn't say that they add 10 grams to the Speedport Black. What they actually said is that they added 10 grams more than the weight of their old racquets. They were talking about the aerodynamics of the Speedport made it possible to make the racquets 10 grams heavier than the weight they were used to without losing racquet head speed.

You can find their old raqcuet weight in a post by Jura.

He said that the unstrung weight of their Wilson's were 354 grams. I suppose their Blacks weight is 364 . Pretty heave, isn't?

LPShanet
10-24-2007, 02:37 PM
He said that the unstrung weight of their Wilson's were 354 grams. I suppose their Blacks weight is 364 . Pretty heave, isn't?

364 is about 12.5 ounces and 364 is about 12.8. Both are well within the standard range for pro racquets.

AlpineCadet
10-25-2007, 04:15 PM
If you cant keep your shots in with it dont blame the racquet, its your game that sucks or possibly the way your stringing the racquet. Plenty of people do use the speedport black and their games have improved. The only thing you posted that deserves any credit is the comment about the pinging sound but you get used to it after a while.
Do you use a Speedport Black as well? Did you feel insulted when he was trash-talking the frame? :-)

The Speedport Black is VERY string/tension sensitive, and it takes at least a half dozen string jobs to figure out the racket and what's right for you. In my case, I spent about 2 strings jobs on that frame before I accidentally smashed it on the ground a few times. Oops. ;)

Kaptain Karl
10-26-2007, 11:41 AM
The Speedport Black is VERY string/tension sensitive, and it takes at least a half dozen string jobs to figure out the racket and what's right for you. In my case, I spent about 2 strings jobs on that frame ...I demoed the Black with the String Hole Grommets. Ugh! It was horrible. (It played just like Princes always did prior to the O Port idea. I hated Princes until the O3 line.)

I would still demo it without the String Holes though.

I agree that tensions are key. (I detest the n6.1 at high tension ... and really like it when strung between 48 and 53 pounds.)

What setup did you finally settle on (pre-pretzel)?

- KK

AlpineCadet
10-26-2007, 01:57 PM
I demoed the Black with the String Hole Grommets. Ugh! It was horrible. (It played just like Princes always did prior to the O Port idea. I hated Princes until the O3 line.)

I would still demo it without the String Holes though.

I agree that tensions are key. (I detest the n6.1 at high tension ... and really like it when strung between 48 and 53 pounds.)

What setup did you finally settle on (pre-pretzel)?

- KK

Hello KK!

As background info, I added ~.5 ounces from a heat shrink sleeve to the handle to help make the racket more HL. The racket was around 11.1 ounces unstrung before I added the sleeve (I chose the heaviest frame that I could find.)

I settled with a hybrid of Kevlar mains and syn gut crosses since my first (full) Luxilon string job lasted less than 2 weeks, with around 12 hours of total play. (The very open string pattern in the Speedport Black really took its toll!)

I strung the Kevlar hybrid at 55lbs (since I really didn't want my arm to fall off,esp with the racket being around 70 according the RDC machine) and it was working fine for me, with spin kicking up high, and pacing coming with ease. All great for my game. But the control just still wasn't there at ALL, even with the kevlar helping to tame that gigantic sweetspot. I think the key for that racket is higher tension if you are going to use the port inserts (the ones I used.) The string inserts had too much vibration, and was a bit too odd of a feeling for me.

In the end, I didn't spend enough time with the racket to quite make an informed decision, but the constant spraying of balls, and the lack of ball feel/precision in the racket was enough to make me feel as though I was using a frame that was actually a toy, rather than a true tweener/players frame with the customizations I tried.

Hope that helps! :)