Please Watch This: Vintage Cheney

[stormholloway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Farticles% 2Firaq%2Fcheney%5Fvideo%5F1994%5Fwarning%5Fof%5Fir aq%5Finvasion%5Fquagmire%2Ehtm

This only goes to prove even more definitively that these people have no real values other than those that relate to their own power. Nothing they say can be trusted and only serves to shape and mold the minds of the people.

But really, how prophetic and simultaneously ironic is this clip?

EDIT: Bonus video! Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVKDY74C0g&NR=1

[35ft6]

Yeah, but he said that before he became CEO of Halliburton. If the second in charge of any other country was formerly the CEO of a company, than said company was awarded no-bid contracts for a war he was on record as having said was a dumb idea, than exercised stock options a few years after the war began, after the companies stocks rose because of the war, it would be considered pretty shady, even criminal.

[chess9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o&mode=related&search=

[stormholloway]

People seem to think that they just "got it wrong," but as that video shows, they are distinctly lying.

[chess9]

Of course they are lying, have been lying, and will always lie. That's what politicians do. I can't say Dems are any better. Hillary certainly is no better. LOL!

-Robert

[35ft6]

Of course they are lying, have been lying, and will always lie. That's what politicians do. I can't say Dems are any better. Everybody lies, so maybe politicians are no different from regular peeps either by that logic. But man, the stuff the present administration is lying about is costing a lot of money and lives. Qualitatively and quantitatively different from lying about a hummer job if you ask me.

[stormholloway]

True. Everybody lies. But what are the consequences of those lies? If little white lies are okay, then what this administration has done is commit dark, demonic black lies.

[35ft6]

The whole "they're all the same" comment, I don't think it's by accident. I don't think "speak with your dollars" is an accident either. People think they have no power over the quality of their politicians but buying the right car or computer or shirt, being a dutiful consumer, can redefine their existence. Flexible labor force, the feeling that people can't complain too much at work because they don't even know if they'll have a job tomorrow, it's all part of the message being whispered into our ears at night by the powers that be who want people, in the end, to feel powerless. What can one person do? Good question. But why do people think they had to go about it alone? Why because they've convinced everybody that somewhere out there is some lazy bum who wants something for free and they want YOU to subsidize it. Their power is very precarious people. If we just weren't so atomized by stupid crap like gay marriage and stem cell research.

[stormholloway]

You'll notice that no Bush/Cheney followers have come to spin those videos.

[chess9]

Everybody lies, so maybe politicians are no different from regular peeps either by that logic. But man, the stuff the present administration is lying about is costing a lot of money and lives. Qualitatively and quantitatively different from lying about a hummer job if you ask me.

I agree that the lying of this administration is horrendous, but when it comes to trust, a little lie can be as destructive as a big one. Yes, the Republican lies are having broad effects across our economy and among our people, but TRUST is what I'm talking about. I don't TRUST Dems, but I will vote for them because they are the lesser of two evils.


-Robert

[superstition]

You'll notice that no Bush/Cheney followers have come to spin those videos.
Buuhhtt whhhaatt about Clintton, and George Michael????

[Eviscerator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Einfowars%2Ecom%2Farticles% 2Firaq%2Fcheney%5Fvideo%5F1994%5Fwarning%5Fof%5Fir aq%5Finvasion%5Fquagmire%2Ehtm


But really, how prophetic and simultaneously ironic is this clip?



I think that clip goes to show how sharp Cheney and 1st Bush administration really was. He practically predicts everything that is happening now if they had pushed into Baghdad, and the reasons to avoid it. Granted the circumstances changed over the years, but their basic concerns of going to war with Iraq are proving to be accurate.

[chess9]

What is important about that video is that the Bush administration knew the serious problems going into the War in Iraq, yet they did so anyway. So, why did they do it? Money for Halliburton? Oil. Hegemony in the Middle East? Weapons of mass destruction? Neo-con pro Israel agenda? WHAT?

-Robert

[35ft6]

Neo-con pro Israel agenda?This is almost never brought up.

[Eviscerator]

What is important about that video is that the Bush administration knew the serious problems going into the War in Iraq, yet they did so anyway. So, why did they do it? Money for Halliburton? Oil. Hegemony in the Middle East? Weapons of mass destruction? Neo-con pro Israel agenda? WHAT?

-Robert

I certainly don't know the answer, but it is clear that Cheney had a clear understanding of what might happen in the event of us taking out Saddam. For all we know he was being a good mouth piece for Bush 1 who clearly had a better understanding of world affairs than his son does.

[chess9]

This is almost never brought up.

People are afraid to address this issue, because it sounds anti-semitic to some. Unfortunately, the conventional wisdom of the Straussian School of Applied American War Machines miscalculated and argued that invading Iraq would be good for Israel. Has anyone picked up the palpable benefit to Israel, other than the huge arms deal they just got from the USA? Maybe that was enough?

-Robert

[chess9]

I certainly don't know the answer, but it is clear that Cheney had a clear understanding of what might happen in the event of us taking out Saddam. For all we know he was being a good mouth piece for Bush 1 who clearly had a better understanding of world affairs than his son does.

Well, I can hear Cheney now: "All of that analysis went out the window after 9/11." All the principle players have made this assertion, but it doesn't wash. 9/11 was simply a spectacular and natural progression of events that had been unfolding for many many years. One might say they started with the Balfour Resolution.

-Robert

[Eviscerator]

Well, I can hear Cheney now: "All of that analysis went out the window after 9/11." All the principle players have made this assertion, but it doesn't wash. 9/11 was simply a spectacular and natural progression of events that had been unfolding for many many years. One might say they started with the Balfour Resolution.

-Robert

That might very well be his response. I'd really like to hear a candid conversation with him explaining the 180 they did after 9/11. While an answer like you speculate might be a legitimate reason for going into Afghanistan (and after terrorists in general), things obviously have played out in Iraq just as Cheney had predicted in 1994.