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Pro_Tour_630
08-13-2007, 05:31 PM
My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Well first let me tell you that the Nbalde is no Pro Tour 280 nor PT630. The sound on impact is not even the same. Missing is the thumping sound of the Prestige. The stick in general is very light and for someone who is used to swinging a PT it will feel awkward, it is not stable like the PT630. I would compare it to a Radical. Basically Wilson went out and emulated a Radical MP, IMO. It has a flat beam at the throat like Head and the inside hoop is very flat. Big baseline bashers and sluggers need to look elsewhere or else you will be snapping these nblades in half, so I heard.

Would like to conclude that the nblade is a good stick to add weight which might have potential to spec it out like a PT. I have yet to add weight but I will and let you know. Lead around the grip is a must IMO.

I know there is an nblade club on the forum so maybe they can chime in and tell us what they have done?

Anyway I hope the Kblade will have a bit more weight at the grip

NoBadMojo
08-13-2007, 07:33 PM
My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Well first let me tell you that the Nbalde is no Pro Tour 280 nor PT630. The sound on impact is not even the same. Missing is the thumping sound of the Prestige. The stick in general is very light and for someone who is used to swinging a PT it will feel awkward, it is not stable like the PT630. I would compare it to a Radical. Basically Wilson went out and emulated a Radical MP, IMO. It has a flat beam at the throat like Head and the inside hoop is very flat. Big baseline bashers and sluggers need to look elsewhere or else you will be snapping these nblades in half, so I heard.

Would like to conclude that the nblade is a good stick to add weight which might have potential to spec it out like a PT. I have yet to add weight but I will and let you know. Lead around the grip is a must IMO.

I know there is an nblade club on the forum so maybe they can chime in and tell us what they have done?

Anyway I hope the Kblade will have a bit more weight at the grip

i liked the nBlade but wouldnt call it a light frame in terms of swingweight. In fact, I have no idea how they got so much swingweight out of low static weight frame which isnt head heavy. typically manufacturers strive for something different like more mass and lower swingweight in a 'players type frame', but i thought this was a very nice hit...good at everything and not harsh to hit

pham4313
08-13-2007, 07:43 PM
this might be out of nowhere but how do you compare Fischer mspeed number 1 SL vs. pro tour 280? On paper, their specs are quite similar, stiffness around 58-59, static weight 12 oz, swingweight 320-323, 7-8 pts headlight, except one is constant beam, another is 20-25 mm. Any thoughts michael?:p

jura
08-13-2007, 08:08 PM
My 3/8 nblade speced out at 319g with 32.75cm balance.

I have heard over and over again on the boards how the nblade is similar to the PT630 or even the PT280 only lighter. SO after I saw Djakovic kick the crap out of Federer and Nadal, I ran out for a demo.

Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?

DavidGarcia
08-13-2007, 10:58 PM
It has been said here many times before, Djoko uses a nBlade customized which would possibly play nothing like the stock racquet.

I doubt any pro would still use a stock racquet!

Alex132
08-13-2007, 11:45 PM
only stupid would paint nBlade....no other modern raqcuet looks like it.

jura
08-14-2007, 12:23 AM
It has been said here many times before, Djoko uses a nBlade customized which would possibly play nothing like the stock racquet.

I doubt any pro would still use a stock racquet!
It's even not a nBlade, it's a totally different shape. Beside the design his racket hasn't got much in common with nBlade.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 02:18 AM
Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?

Then maybe it is a PT280 or iprestigeMP ?

0d1n
08-14-2007, 02:22 AM
I think he was using a LM Radical Tour before, so maybe it's something based on that stick (unless that was a painted one as well :D).

PimpMyGame
08-14-2007, 02:24 AM
I own two nBlades, both still stock. I like the flex it provides and for me the racket feels light. In short I'll be conducting some "experiments" with leading up one of the frames to see how it compares, probably when we get settled into playing indoors over the winter.

Couldn't compare to any of the rackets you mention, because I haven't used them. All I know is that I gave the stiffer frames a go and just didn't get on with them. The nBlade is fine for me.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 02:27 AM
this might be out of nowhere but how do you compare Fischer mspeed number 1 SL vs. pro tour 280? On paper, their specs are quite similar, stiffness around 58-59, static weight 12 oz, swingweight 320-323, 7-8 pts headlight, except one is constant beam, another is 20-25 mm. Any thoughts michael?:p

SW on the chinese PT280 is higher than 320. I am not a fan of tapered beams I like constant beams, they do not feel the same, especially the grip. I hate the fischer butt cap unless you like gripping a knob. they have done away with weired butt cap on the new M-Comp and the Mpro98. I would give the Mpro 98 a test drive first. There is zero tolerance now on the New Fishers so they are all the same spec within 1 gram.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 02:32 AM
In short I'll be conducting some "experiments" with leading up one of the frames to see how it compares, probably when we get settled into playing indoors over the winter.

That is the best time for me to test frames. Too many variables when it comes to outdoors. After I have done my indoor experiments then off to the outdoor season to see how they really perform. It is a different experience.

jura
08-14-2007, 02:55 AM
Then maybe it is a PT280 or iprestigeMP ?
It's one of the special molds Wilson offers to the pros which came from Head, like Mathieu or Tursunov and even Djoko. These are not painted Head frames but they are mor similar to Head Prestige or Radical than to any other Wilson frame.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 04:24 AM
well for sure it is not an nblade that you and I can buy, like you said

check out the drill holes? does that look like a pattern of a stock nblade? look at 7,9,11 mains and how they meet the cross? on a real Nblade then look below

stock nblade
http://i13.tinypic.com/661jwpu.jpg

Pro Tour
http://i13.tinypic.com/4qehm43.jpg

Djokovic real stick
http://i13.tinypic.com/54cvuhg.jpg

It is identical to a Pro Tour 280 and clones where only 8 and 10 mains meet cross which Djokovic has been playing with and got use to all these years



WILSON ARE YOU HEARING ME?!?!?!?! YOU BETTER HAVE THAT DRILL PATTERN ON YOUR NEW KBLADE OR ELSE!!!!!!!! :-(

Mad iX
08-14-2007, 04:32 AM
Iirc it's a custom frame made by Wilson based on the LM Radical he used before.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 04:47 AM
Iirc it's a custom frame made by Wilson based on the LM Radical he used before.
I found this in another thread
"Roger Federer and me," Novak laughed on comment about club in which he entered. "People from Wilson company tried to make agreement with me for five years and they "catch me" now finally. I don't know the specification of our agreement, because we didn't ratify that still, but I know it's much better convention then I had with Head. I tried to play with 15-20 different models of Wilson and no one is conform to me. Then they made a copy of my Head racquet, and he is absolutely the same."

pham4313
08-14-2007, 07:08 AM
agreed. The last cross of the pro tour is higher than the nblade. djoker plays with a pro tour 280 or a replica from wilson for sure, not the nblade but only using its paintjob.
michael, a side question, what is the swingweight of the chinese PT 280? does this model have twaron in it?

rorschack
08-14-2007, 08:48 AM
The PT280 has Twaron. Follow the link. Love the PT280/PT630. It's waaaaaaaaay easier to play with than the PC600, which IMO, is over rated!

http://web.archive.org/web/19990911061946/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage.html?PCODE=280

The chinese PT280 swing weight is higher than the Austrian PT630 and all of these got the CAP grommet. For me, I don't have to customize the PT280 at all and I like the way it plays since you can hit pretty heavy balls with that swing weight. I actually busted my elbow badly trying to hit with the Austrian PT630 because it was twisting and unstable. Maybe there was something wrong with that particular racquet? Maybe my swing style requires high swing weight and less head light? Who knows. I had to add lead to make it similar to the PT280 and now it's stable again. Other than that, not much difference. I don't get it why people pay so much more for the used Austrian PT630 than the PT280. :confused:

LafayetteHitter
08-14-2007, 09:16 AM
I think Michael Chaho proved with those pics that noone will have anything other than the same paint job as their new found love of the week when they buy an Nblade. NOW with that said, the Nblade has some nice specs and is a sweet racquet so if it suits the specs you like then by all means try it out. If you are doing it because you think you will be beating your toughest opponent think against and invest the money with a local coach.

Jonny S&V
08-14-2007, 09:19 AM
I think he was using a LM Radical Tour before, so maybe it's something based on that stick (unless that was a painted one as well :D).

It was, but I'm too lazy to find any pics.

LafayetteHitter
08-14-2007, 09:23 AM
I heard the Nblade was THE racquet to own now so I got mine yesterday, mine isn't a paint job it's the real Nblade though. Here is a pic right before I was heading to the courts this morning,
http://i14.tinypic.com/4mv6nie.gif

I was hoping i'd look like one of the Williams

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 10:11 AM
The chinese PT280 swing weight is higher than the Austrian PT630 and all of these got the CAP grommet. I don't get it why people pay so much more for the used Austrian PT630 than the PT280. :confused:
My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

BlackJesus
08-14-2007, 10:38 AM
Maybe the problem is that Djoko is not using nBlade, only a pj of it!?
With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

AlpineCadet
08-14-2007, 11:36 AM
With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

Where did you get those numbers from? Do you have any further details?

pham4313
08-14-2007, 11:39 AM
My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

i assume the chinese PT280 has CAP grommet. That will bring headlightness down less than originally 8 pts HL

rorschack
08-14-2007, 11:53 AM
i assume the chinese PT280 has CAP grommet. That will bring headlightness down less than originally 8 pts HL

Nope, the PT280 and older PT630 don't have CAP. But you can use the CAP from either I.Prestige MP or Liquidmetal Prestige MP. You should add the CAP anyway because it will make the PT280/630 super solid! Of course, adding CAP will make it less Head Light.

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 12:40 PM
With nBlade pj wilson has 14 or more types of racquet taht can be choosen by pros. For K95 around 22 types. It's the only company that makes such a big number of variations

Well we have now established that they have two drill patterns of 18X20, they of course will have at least one 16X18 or maybe a 16X19. SO if you add only two grip variants a wilson square and a head rectangle then you get many models of the nblade,

BTW, Vantage makes thousands of variants

dacrymn
08-14-2007, 04:16 PM
Hey, Michael Chaho, what makes you think the nBlade will snap in half? I have one, and I don't want it snapping on me. It doesn't feel that way, it seems stable. Why do you say this?

Pro_Tour_630
08-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Hey, Michael Chaho, what makes you think the nBlade will snap in half? I have one, and I don't want it snapping on me. It doesn't feel that way, it seems stable. Why do you say this?

I seems like it is on the delicate side at the bottom of the throat, and I can see what they are talking about below after few hitting sessions. Remember this is a new design for Wilson. It is no PS6.1 from the good old days.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=150163&highlight=nblade
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1427921&postcount=13
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1659785&postcount=5
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1659981&postcount=8
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1662995&postcount=15

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=150954

leonidas1982
01-25-2008, 11:03 AM
Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.

jace112
01-25-2008, 11:37 AM
Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

leonidas1982
01-25-2008, 11:42 AM
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

Much thanks. Do you the know the headsize? Thanks again.

AlpineCadet
01-25-2008, 12:06 PM
Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

My PT630 (Made in Austria) with I.Prestige CAP grommets weighs in at 374grams with leather and an overgrip, strung with ALU 16.

Doc Hollidae
01-25-2008, 12:21 PM
Much thanks. Do you the know the headsize? Thanks again.

98 sq. in.

10 Chars

leonidas1982
01-25-2008, 12:26 PM
98 sq. in.

10 Chars

Thank you. Funny, wilson advertises that Djokovic uses the 93 sqin version.

Bud
01-25-2008, 01:55 PM
Does anybody know the specs of the HEAD PRO TOUR 630 and 280. Thanks.

Stock PT630 Made in Austria with CAP
350 g strung overgrip dampener
32.5 cm
325 kg.cm² measured strung overgrip dampener
Signum Pro Pure Plasma @ 25 kg

My PT630 (Made in Austria) with I.Prestige CAP grommets weighs in at 374grams with leather and an overgrip, strung with ALU 16.

My stock (no lead) PT630 with factory CAP grommets and a Head genuine calfskin leather grip, rubber band dampener and Yonex SuperGrap overgrip weighs 13.5 oz. or 382 grams. This sucka is heavy! :shock:

Pro_Tour_630
01-27-2008, 05:51 PM
I find it rather squirly to pimp a PT630 with an iprestige CAP. There is night and day on how a PT630 should feel with the proper original CAP. Next people will be putting 22's bling bling on their PT:)

AlpineCadet
01-27-2008, 07:11 PM
It is quite squirly to insist on having everyone play according to one specific, personal preference. Next, you'll recommend everyone to use the same identical racket. Do you happen to have any for sale? :lol:

pham4313
01-28-2008, 09:10 AM
My PT280 with CAPS weights around 350g and 6pts HL, sw~330. Its a beast to swing. I prefer the original short bumper guard on the PT280. It feels much better to swing, especially on serves and fast responses at net.

theone
01-28-2008, 09:33 AM
My post was deleted, not sure why? but in short
the reason why people like the Austrian PT is because they can customize it with lead and not have their stick weigh like a bat. SW on Chinese PT280 is closer to 340

Do you find a SW of 340 heavy?

Pro_Tour_630
01-28-2008, 12:08 PM
My PT280 with CAPS weights around 350g and 6pts HL, sw~330. Its a beast to swing. I prefer the original short bumper guard on the PT280. It feels much better to swing, especially on serves and fast responses at net.
yes but you lose some stability, so it is a fine line, read below

Do you find a SW of 340 heavy?

Phams PT280 I believe is 340+ and many of the people who add leather and lead. which is why I liked the austrian 630's they generally weigh less my PT are around 330, anything above that I will have issues with handling it during the third set.

hyogen
03-24-2008, 03:45 PM
well for sure it is not an nblade that you and I can buy, like you said

check out the drill holes? does that look like a pattern of a stock nblade? look at 7,9,11 mains and how they meet the cross? on a real Nblade then look below

stock nblade
http://i13.tinypic.com/661jwpu.jpg

Pro Tour
http://i13.tinypic.com/4qehm43.jpg

Djokovic real stick
http://i13.tinypic.com/54cvuhg.jpg

It is identical to a Pro Tour 280 and clones where only 8 and 10 mains meet cross which Djokovic has been playing with and got use to all these years



WILSON ARE YOU HEARING ME?!?!?!?! YOU BETTER HAVE THAT DRILL PATTERN ON YOUR NEW KBLADE OR ELSE!!!!!!!! :-(


wow very astute observation

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 03:49 PM
wow very astute observation

Djokovic has been photographed using a LM Radical frame with physical Liquidmetal ridges, yet he has never been photographed using the PT630, which shares the same exact string pattern/grommets. It's speculation to say that he uses the PT, but it would not be speculation to say that he stayed with his LM Radical and kept the same string pattern, but is just using a Wilson clone instead.

BTW, you should check out: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=164020&highlight=djokovic+radical&page=5

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 04:59 PM
wow very astute observation
thanks for the complement I was the first to out Jokers racket as not being what he was using just by looking at the string pattern, PT30 or not it is no Nblade nor Kblade, that was the point.

As for it being a PT630, could be, as for it being an LM radical , it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few. I have seen the wells on the side where it shows it is a PT 630/iprestige MP MOLD, Right now he does not have ridges SO it could be a PT630/iprestige MP Mold. I am in contact with a person who has the exact model the Djoker is playing with TODAY and the investigation is ongoing, I am waiting to hear from him soon, we are emailing back and forth.

jelle v
03-24-2008, 05:33 PM
thanks for the complement I was the first to out Jokers racket as not being what he was using just by looking at the string pattern, PT30 or not it is no Nblade nor Kblade, that was the point.

As for it being a PT630, could be, as for it being an LM radical , it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few. I have seen the wells on the side where it shows it is a PT 630/iprestige MP MOLD, Right now he does not have ridges SO it could be a PT630/iprestige MP Mold. I am in contact with a person who has the exact model the Djoker is playing with TODAY and the investigation is ongoing, I am waiting to hear from him soon, we are emailing back and forth.

Wow really curious.. I'va always thought that it is a PT630 he uses.. Or maybe that yellow radical (agassi?)..

I always wonder about one thing though.. Djokovic is what.. 22 years old? Let's just assume that he was about 13 or 14 years old when he started playing his "final" racket and assume he, at some point, bought his rackets in a store. That's about 8 or 9 years ago, 1999 or so. PT 630 wasn't there anymore to buy in stores, or was it? When was the Pt630 sold? Or does it not work that way?

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 05:42 PM
as for it being an LM radical, it also could be an LM radical TOUR, but in the photos that I have seen in the past the ridges were not that clear, many people could not make out the ridges except few.
Good post, PT. But for me personally, they were quite clear. If anyone wants to see a few pictures, here are the physical Liquidmetal ridges with the same color tone:

http://i8.tinypic.com/8fab1gh.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/89h7cm0.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6l2znfb.jpg

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 05:43 PM
Here are few more if you want to see the physical ridges from the LM Radical mold. Also, his beam is much thicker than the PT630 mold. See below for details.

http://i5.tinypic.com/6t0ptf4.jpg

http://i.eurosport.de/2006/02/02/248204-1390861-317-238.jpg

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 05:51 PM
Good post, PT. But for me personally, they were quite clear. If anyone wants to see a few pictures, here are the physical Liquidmetal ridges with the same color tone:

http://i8.tinypic.com/8fab1gh.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/89h7cm0.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6l2znfb.jpg

we have seen these before could not make out the ridges

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 05:52 PM
http://i5.tinypic.com/6t0ptf4.jpg

that is the only one I can make out the ridges,

But look at the wells it is not an LM radical well on the bottom of the grommet, it is not round U, it is more square I_I which tells me it is a PT280/Iprestige MP mold

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 05:53 PM
we have seen these before could not make out the ridges
Hey PT630, the head shape of his frame is a bit different from a PT630, don't you agree? The shape of the PT630 is more oval than the tear drop shape of the Radical.

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 05:56 PM
that is the only one I can make out the ridges,

But look at the wells it is not an LM radical well on the bottom of the grommet, it is not round U, it is more square I_I which tells me it is a PT280/Iprestige MP mold
It looks rounded to me, I'm actually holding my LM Radical, and they look the same.

http://i2.tinypic.com/6l2znfb.jpg

The PT looks much thinner than the LM Radical. Also, the PT630 bulges out at 4 and 8 o'clock, while the LM Radical is a bit more tapered/smooth.

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 05:58 PM
It looks rounded to me, I'm actually holding my LM Radical, and they look the same. Also, the PT looks much thinner than the LM Radical.
yes the PT looks thinner it is 20mm while the radical is 21mm. I thought you sold your LM radicals TOURS, The wells are not the same. I am not sure you are understanding what I am referring to. did you sell your PT as well?

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 06:02 PM
yes the PT looks thinner it is 20mm while the radical is 21mm. I thought you sold your LM radicals TOURS, The wells are not the same. I am not sure you are understanding what I am referring to. did you sell your PT as well?

I have my LM Radical MP and my PT630 without CAPs in front of me actually. I bought the LM Radical Tour a few months back, and sold it the same day I got the frame. It was strung with natural gut at max tension (pretty comfortable and lively) but I just couldn't play right with an already customized Radical. Guess I prefer the plain Radical with my own lead setup.

jelle v
03-24-2008, 06:07 PM
Those are some pretty convincing photos.. LM-ridges seem to be real..

It looks rounded to me, I'm actually holding my LM Radical, and they look the same. Also, the PT looks much thinner than the LM Radical.

Also, the PT630 bulges out at 4 and 8 o'clock, while the LM Radical is a bit more tapered/smooth.

They look pretty square to me :neutral:

I know that the wells on the Microgel Radical are U-shaped, I know on the Ti.Radical and the i.Radical they were square. Were they U-shaped on the LM Radical? :-?

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 06:19 PM
Those are some pretty convincing photos.. LM-ridges seem to be real..

They look pretty square to me :neutral: I know that the wells on the Microgel Radical are U-shaped, I know on the Ti.Radical and the i.Radical they were square. Were they U-shaped on the LM Radical? :-?

Yes, they are U shaped on the LM Radical, and the PT630 has a thinner throat section starting from the first bottom cross and all the way down to where the pallet starts.

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 07:10 PM
I always wonder about one thing though.. Djokovic is what.. 22 years old? Let's just assume that he was about 13 or 14 years old when he started playing his "final" racket and assume he, at some point, bought his rackets in a store. That's about 8 or 9 years ago, 1999 or so. PT 630 wasn't there anymore to buy in stores, or was it? When was the Pt630 sold? Or does it not work that way?
European juniors during those times around (1995-2000) most played the PT630, they were available in Europe, DY who is younger than Djoker said he plays with the PT630:confused: go figure
Hey PT630, the head shape of his frame is a bit different from a PT630, don't you agree? The shape of the PT630 is more oval than the tear drop shape of the Radical.
True, but I can shape the head of the PT be like a PC600 it all depends what tension you string the mains and cross. Will keep you posted on Djokers real frame, I offered to buy it from the guy to no avail :cry:

Pro_Tour_630
03-24-2008, 07:15 PM
I have my LM Radical MP and my PT630 without CAPs in front of me actually.
check the shape of mold "grooves" where the grommets strip (fit) TIP ends on each side below the fifth hole.

hyogen
03-24-2008, 09:39 PM
yo michael, did you ever give out info to people about where to buy NEW pt630s? (for voting for you or whatever).. ;)

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 10:49 PM
yo michael, did you ever give out info to people about where to buy NEW pt630s? (for voting for you or whatever).. ;)
Are you talking to Pro_Tour_630? Is he Michael Chaho? How the hell did he change his user name?

hyogen
03-24-2008, 11:01 PM
yeah michael chaho = pro tour 630 :)

AlpineCadet
03-24-2008, 11:11 PM
check the shape of mold "grooves" where the grommets strip (fit) TIP ends on each side below the fifth hole.

I checked, and the PT630 had square grooves, while the Liquidmetal Radical MP had the U-shape grooves. I hit with the PT630 tonight during 3 sets of doubles, and my serves and groundies felt way too underpowered, even though the PT630 had more mass than my regular frame (LM Radical MP.) My strokes are more grooved towards the Head frames that are at least 64 flex on the RDC machines (ie. the LM Radical MP.) The PT630 is pretty flexible..I would say less than ~59 but I would def. need to string a lot lower, with a hybrid, instead of full poly if I wanted the same amount of spin/power. It just was not my cup of tea.

BTW, I still believe that Djokovic stayed with his LM Radical MP when he signed over to Wilson. His new "KBlade" still shares the same identical string pattern spacing as his older Radical frames, as did his "nBlade" paint jobs.

hyogen
03-25-2008, 12:03 AM
I checked, and the PT630 had square grooves, while the Liquidmetal Radical MP had the U-shape grooves. I hit with the PT630 tonight during 3 sets of doubles, and my serves and groundies felt way too underpowered, even though the PT630 had more mass than my regular frame (LM Radical MP.) My strokes are more grooved towards the Head frames that are at least 64 flex on the RDC machines (ie. the LM Radical MP.) The PT630 is pretty flexible..I would say less than ~59 but I would def. need to string a lot lower, with a hybrid, instead of full poly if I wanted the same amount of spin/power. It just was not my cup of tea.

BTW, I still believe that Djokovic stayed with his LM Radical MP when he signed over to Wilson. His new "KBlade" still shares the same identical string pattern spacing as his older Radical frames, as did his "nBlade" paint jobs.

how does he hide the liquid metal grooves with his wilson paintjobs then?? same mold you're saying?

AlpineCadet
03-25-2008, 12:07 AM
how does he hide the liquid metal grooves with his wilson paintjobs then?? same mold you're saying?

He's using a Wilson clone, that's for sure. Probably of his old LM Radical frame, IMHO. It's not a LM Radical frame with a new paintjob, but probably a custom Wilson frame, built to his own personal preferences, which I am claiming to be his old Head LM Radical frame--the same frame which he used prior to his switch to his new Wilson contract.

Pro_Tour_630
03-25-2008, 06:06 AM
I hit with the PT630 tonight during 3 sets of doubles, and my serves and groundies felt way too underpowered, even though the PT630 had more mass than my regular frame (LM Radical MP.) My strokes are more grooved towards the Head frames that are at least 64 flex on the RDC machines (ie. the LM Radical MP.) The PT630 is pretty flexible..I would say less than ~59 but I would def. need to string a lot lower, with a hybrid, instead of full poly if I wanted the same amount of spin/power. It just was not my cup of tea.

You need to have CAP to have a bit more juice ;) call UP TW and order iprestige CAP they will have them soon, throw out the head grip and install leather or gamma hitec, or my new favorite prince dura pro

You are stringing the PT 630 with a Full POLY at mid tension :confused:please don't tell me 1.25mm or over, check my signature thin and low tension. AC please just try it out once with 18g like Biphase or NRG 18g at low tension, you do not like Multi try it with a soft Poly Cyberflash 1.20mm, make sure it is 1.20mm at low tension, you can also give Legend 1.20mm a try at low tension, do not string legend tight

and if you still do not think it is your cup of tea I will buy it at all your expense plus profit

hyogen
03-25-2008, 07:06 AM
You need to have CAP to have a bit more juice ;) call UP TW and order iprestige CAP they will have them soon, throw out the head grip and install leather or gamma hitec, or my new favorite prince dura pro

You are stringing the PT 630 with a Full POLY at mid tension :confused:please don't tell me 1.25mm or over, check my signature thin and low tension. AC please just try it out once with 18g like Biphase or NRG 18g at low tension, you do not like Multi try it with a soft Poly Cyberflash 1.20mm, make sure it is 1.20mm at low tension, you can also give Legend 1.20mm a try at low tension, do not string legend tight

and if you still do not think it is your cup of tea I will buy it at all your expense plus profit

how low are we talking here michael? 55?

Pro_Tour_630
03-25-2008, 07:33 AM
how low are we talking here michael? 55?

I am down to 50, you should string the lowest possible before you start to lose a bit of control. It should be a gradual step the better you get the lower you should string, IMO. and it is better for your arm in the long run, we all want to play tennis for a very long time. There are Pros that string closer to 80lbs :confused:and there are pros that string 35lbs, stringing low makes you swing slower and smoother thereby improving your technique IMO.

JediMindTrick
03-25-2008, 07:44 AM
Djoko strings at 55Mx53X with X-One Biphase, so that's a good starting point.

hyogen
03-25-2008, 08:07 AM
I am down to 50, you should string the lowest possible before you start to lose a bit of control. It should be a gradual step the better you get the lower you should string, IMO. and it is better for your arm in the long run, we all want to play tennis for a very long time. There are Pros that string closer to 80lbs :confused:and there are pros that string 35lbs, stringing low makes you swing slower and smoother thereby improving your technique IMO.

ahh. so i'm not crazy for liking 35-45lbs in my PST.

AlpineCadet
03-25-2008, 11:01 AM
You need to have CAP to have a bit more juice ;) call UP TW and order iprestige CAP they will have them soon, throw out the head grip and install leather or gamma hitec, or my new favorite prince dura pro

You are stringing the PT 630 with a Full POLY at mid tension :confused:please don't tell me 1.25mm or over, check my signature thin and low tension. AC please just try it out once with 18g like Biphase or NRG 18g at low tension, you do not like Multi try it with a soft Poly Cyberflash 1.20mm, make sure it is 1.20mm at low tension, you can also give Legend 1.20mm a try at low tension, do not string legend tight

and if you still do not think it is your cup of tea I will buy it at all your expense plus profit

Well you're in for a surrpise then. :) I've tried the I.Prestige MP XL grommets, along with Wilson Leather, and full ALU 16. The frame came in at 374 grams with dampener and overgrip. Too heavy to use, with not enough positives to keep me at that weight. I would love to sell this frame, though I know it's a rare commodity. If you're serious about what you said, I'll def. sell it to you. I know how you love them. I have the oldest version of the PT630, by the way.

Pro_Tour_630
03-26-2008, 06:00 AM
Well you're in for a surrpise then. :) I've tried the I.Prestige MP XL grommets, along with Wilson Leather, and full ALU 16. The frame came in at 374 grams with dampener and overgrip. Too heavy to use, with not enough positives to keep me at that weight. I would love to sell this frame, though I know it's a rare commodity. If you're serious about what you said, I'll def. sell it to you. I know how you love them. I have the oldest version of the PT630, by the way.
WOW 375:confused: I am toping 350g with CAP +(~10g difference) only no overgrip -(~5g) difference between Poly and regular synthetic -(~3g) and difference between leather and synthetic grip around -(~7g) so 375+10=385-15=360 your frame to start with is around 10 grams more than mine, are you sure there are no silicone or lead in handle dunno:confused: Email me and let me know what you want for it, grip? condition ? and photos? thanks

AlpineCadet
03-26-2008, 09:33 AM
WOW 375:confused: I am toping 350g with CAP +(~10g difference) only no overgrip -(~5g) difference between Poly and regular synthetic -(~3g) and difference between leather and synthetic grip around -(~7g) so 375+10=385-15=360 your frame to start with is around 10 grams more than mine, are you sure there are no silicone or lead in handle dunno:confused: Email me and let me know what you want for it, grip? condition ? and photos? thanks
I took care of the frame and made sure I didn't touch the ground with it on low volleys, etc. It's in immaculate condition and there are no chips. The bumper guard/grommet set is the same one that came with the frame. The pallet and buttcap was replaced by TW, so that's also in immaculate condition. I no longer have the I.Prestige CAP grommets on the frame, but I can include them if you'd like. I also got rid of the Wilson Leather grip, and now have a white Babolat Syntec replacement grip. It's currently strung @ 55lbs with Wilson Enduro Pro 17gauge. Let me know what you want for it. I can take photos, but I would rate it at least 9.5/10 since I only put 3 string jobs on it total.

Pro_Tour_630
03-26-2008, 10:00 AM
I took care of the frame and made sure I didn't touch the ground with it on low volleys, etc. It's in immaculate condition and there are no chips. The bumper guard/grommet set is the same one that came with the frame. The pallet and buttcap was replaced by TW, so that's also in immaculate condition. I no longer have the I.Prestige CAP grommets on the frame, but I can include them if you'd like. I also got rid of the Wilson Leather grip, and now have a white Babolat Syntec replacement grip. It's currently strung @ 55lbs with Wilson Enduro Pro 17gauge. Let me know what you want for it. I can take photos, but I would rate it at least 9.5/10 since I only put 3 string jobs on it total.

interested email me,

AlpineCadet
03-26-2008, 10:06 AM
interested email me,

I actually can't, lol. You didn't enable the option.

update: email sent.

hyogen
03-26-2008, 10:15 AM
I took care of the frame and made sure I didn't touch the ground with it on low volleys, etc. It's in immaculate condition and there are no chips. The bumper guard/grommet set is the same one that came with the frame. The pallet and buttcap was replaced by TW, so that's also in immaculate condition. I no longer have the I.Prestige CAP grommets on the frame, but I can include them if you'd like. I also got rid of the Wilson Leather grip, and now have a white Babolat Syntec replacement grip. It's currently strung @ 55lbs with Wilson Enduro Pro 17gauge. Let me know what you want for it. I can take photos, but I would rate it at least 9.5/10 since I only put 3 string jobs on it total.

wow... how many string jobs will a frame like the PT280 withstand? under normal circumstances? >_<

AlpineCadet
03-26-2008, 10:17 AM
wow... how many string jobs will a frame like the PT280 withstand? under normal circumstances? >_<
Are you in your own world ATM? :shock:

hyogen
03-26-2008, 10:19 AM
i guess so, but i'm just curious since you rated your racquet a 9.5 with 3 stringjobs.

would a racquet in PERFECT cosmetic condition with like 500 string jobs in it be worthless?

sorry for going off topic -_-

AlpineCadet
03-26-2008, 10:26 AM
:-? I'm sure if you think about those questions for a little while longer, you'll figure out the answers.

hyogen
03-26-2008, 10:45 AM
*thinking hard*... :(