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A-Rod6600
08-14-2007, 04:59 AM
Face it, at this point a lot of people would say this and this is good for tennis as there are three great players who can battle for no1 position, and some other guys that can beat them occasionally, giving some thrilling to the season!

Alexandros
08-14-2007, 06:06 AM
How many hard court grand slams has Djokovic won?

Mad iX
08-14-2007, 06:13 AM
Does nobody remember that Roddick beat Federer on hardcourt at Kooyong just before the AusOpen?
Does nobody remember that Federer beat Nadal on clay at Hamburg just before RG?
Does nobody remember that Roddick won Queens just before Wimbledon? With Nadal defeated in the first week and Fed not even playing?

Djoko best on hardcourts ... bwahaha. I'm sure he will be one day, but it isn't today.
Warm-ups count for squat once the Slams start.

Rhino
08-14-2007, 06:18 AM
Does nobody remember that Roddick beat Federer on hardcourt at Kooyong just before the AusOpen?
Does nobody remember that Federer beat Nadal on clay at Hamburg just before RG?
Does nobody remember that Roddick won Queens just before Wimbledon? With Nadal defeated in the first week and Fed not even playing?

Djoko best on hardcourts ... bwahaha. I'm sure he will be one day, but it isn't today.

This is a bit stupid. Did you see that Kooyong match? It was and exhibition, Federer experimented by serve-volleying every service point. Federer always loses at Kooyong, he lost to Haas the year before, it means nothing.

Yes Roddick barely won Queens but Federer wasn't there, so someone other than Federer was bound to win... doh! Oh and Nadal was defeated in the first week, yes, it's a one week event.

bwahaha? Whats wrong with you?

But yeah I think it's too early to say that Djokovic is the best hardcourt player, we have to wait until the US Open where everybody will bring there A game.

Mad iX
08-14-2007, 06:25 AM
I'm well aware Kooyong was an exhibition event, but Roddick somehow thought he had an edge on Federer from that match.
I admit my error with Nadal and Queens. I got a little carried away after seeing the thread title.

Djokovic has def. come a long way. I remember at the AusOpen he proclaimed Fed was going down, only to have Roger squash him like a bug. Now he controls his mouth a lot better and lets his game do the talking.

Djoko will find it a lot tougher beating Fed or Nadal at the USO in a best of 5.

my_forehand
08-14-2007, 06:47 AM
I'm well aware Kooyong was an exhibition event, but Roddick somehow thought he had an edge on Federer from that match.
I admit my error with Nadal and Queens. I got a little carried away after seeing the thread title.

Djokovic has def. come a long way. I remember at the AusOpen he proclaimed Fed was going down, only to have Roger squash him like a bug. Now he controls his mouth a lot better and lets his game do the talking.

Djoko will find it a lot tougher beating Fed or Nadal at the USO in a best of 5.

what about roddick?...he's 2003 champ and last years finalist..

BiGGieStuFF
08-14-2007, 07:01 AM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to say that.

tennis_hand
08-14-2007, 07:14 AM
too early. so far Fed is still hard court king. Djokovic is 2nd. Nadal has improved on it, but probably is worse than a surging Djokovic.

psamp14
08-14-2007, 09:00 AM
please dont jump to conclusions....

grand slams won on hard court:

federer: 3
djokavic: 0

including rebound ace hardcourt of AO:

federer: 6
djokavic: 0

Nadal_Freak
08-14-2007, 09:05 AM
Djokovic is 20 while Federer is 26. It is a joke to compare to slams and stuff as Djokovic is just starting while Fed is on his way out soon.

haerdalis
08-14-2007, 09:06 AM
Djokovic is ahead of Nadal on hardcourts but behind on clay and grass. He is still behind Fed on all surfaces but has best chance on outdoor hard.
Fed is nr one everythingbut clay where he is the clear nr 2.
Djokovic's great form will make the rankings a bit more interesting and might open the door for Nadal to overtake Fed this year.

natasha_nana
08-14-2007, 09:16 AM
Djokovic is 20 while Federer is 26. It is a joke to compare to slams and stuff as Djokovic is just starting while Fed is on his way out soon.

Actually it's very valid to do so as aren't we talking about who at present is the best on hard courts?

When Federer beat Samprass at Wimbledon in 2001 I doubt anyone was saying Samprass is no longer the best on grass (although he was 'on his way out')...or that Roger suddenly was.

If next year some up and coming very talented claycourter beats Nadal in say Monte Carlo...does he suddenly become the best on clay?

Whatever your opinion about Fed being on his way out (which I disagree with anyway) - the fact is that at present he is very much still in.
So as of now there is overwhelming evidence in favour of him being the best on hard courts.

If Djokovic wins the USO, beating Federer in the process...then we might have a larger argument in favour of him being best on hard courts over Fed.
But till he wins a best of 5 sets tournament (which at present are only the AO/USO)...I don't think we can say with confidence that Nole is the best.

Especially since just this year Fed won the AO without dropping a single set all the way through, and producing some of his best tennis on the way.

J-man
08-14-2007, 09:26 AM
Djokovic is very good on hardcourts and maybe even the second best hardcourt player. But he is not the best on hardcourts. Federer is still the king on grass and hardcourts. Djokovic still has away to go.

Banger
08-14-2007, 09:54 AM
You Are ********

Eviscerator
08-14-2007, 09:57 AM
while Fed is on his way out soon.


:roll: :roll:

A-Rod6600
08-14-2007, 01:04 PM
You Are ********
A guy who don't discuss his opinion and say others are retarted, is the real ********!

drakulie
08-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Djokovic is 20 while Federer is 26. It is a joke to compare to slams and stuff as Djokovic is just starting while Fed is on his way out soon.

I'm sure he will be following Nadal.

A-Rod6600
08-14-2007, 01:13 PM
Even Italian commentators on SKY Sport said that djoko is a phenomenon and he is the same level as Federer. His improvement in the last weeks are the demonstration of his strenght and i remember you that he goes through the final in indian wells and win miami over nadal. He is very young and he is not yet in his prime. He still can improve his game and if he beat federer now, in the future he will beat federer regularly.

Tarqs
08-14-2007, 02:14 PM
one NON gs tourny won and he's better than fed..

SiLvErX
08-14-2007, 02:46 PM
please dont jump to conclusions....

grand slams won on hard court:

federer: 3
djokavic: 0

including rebound ace hardcourt of AO:

federer: 6
djokavic: 0

his name is DjokOvic with an O ...you misspelled it way to many times

lethalfang
08-14-2007, 02:47 PM
Right now, Federer is still undisputed best on the hard courts.
He haven't lost any matches on grass for a while, because there aren't as many grass tournaments, so Federer haven't had the chance to lose. Federer's record on hard court is just as impressive.

SiLvErX
08-14-2007, 02:52 PM
Djokovic is very good on hardcourts and maybe even the second best hardcourt player. But he is not the best on hardcourts. Federer is still the king on grass and hardcourts. Djokovic still has away to go.

Your last sentence is actually Federrers quote.. he said the same thing for Djokovic and look what happened to him... :D

Dont get me wrong I'm a huge fan of Djokovic but i also think he need to prove him self a little more at USO to get the N#1 at hard coarts

But i dont think that he has a way to go...I think he is pretty close

psamp14
08-14-2007, 06:42 PM
his name is DjokOvic with an O ...you misspelled it way to many times

oh...i'm so sorry...djokovic, not djokavic...although its pronounced that way...

daddy
08-14-2007, 07:10 PM
oh...i'm so sorry...djokovic, not djokavic...although its pronounced that way...

Its not , its DJO - ko- vic ..

psamp14
08-14-2007, 09:18 PM
Its not , its DJO - ko- vic ..

alright daddy...whatever helps you sleep at night...djo-ko-vic...got it

AJK1
08-14-2007, 09:22 PM
Ignorance on these boards is rife:
Federer explained in a press conference that he served and volleyed the whole match against Roddick at Kooyong as he didn't want to screw up his groundstroke timing before the AO.
He's a very smart lad, as it turned out he didn't drop a set the whole tournament.
You guys need to start thinking like pros if you want to truly understand how Feds operates before you criticise him.
Djokovic knows this as well, as Federer in a Grand Slam is a whole different ball game.
Federer wouldn't risk injury or ruining his timing a week before a Grand Slam.

DarkTennis
08-14-2007, 09:23 PM
BS BS BS stop BS-ing

daddy
08-15-2007, 11:09 AM
alright daddy...whatever helps you sleep at night...djo-ko-vic...got it

Ha ha ! I sleep well thanks , just thought youd like to know .. I am a tennis fan for as long as I live but last time I was able to enjoy a fellow countrymen beating the hell out of someone was Boba Zivojinovic, when he beat McEnroe in aussie semis or something like that in 1985. If you remember he won in 5 sets, last went to 6-0 and whats more important is that while John was arguing with ref Boba just sat on a chair and ate the whole sandwich, beg 5th set. Thats was something. So excuse me if I am a little excited but were kind of a small nation ( 1/3 of NYC ) so gimme a break and let me enjoy ;)

Ps - aussies were on gras back then. Hope you was born then.

daddy
08-15-2007, 11:11 AM
Ignorance on these boards is rife:
Federer explained in a press conference that he served and volleyed the whole match against Roddick at Kooyong as he didn't want to screw up his groundstroke timing before the AO.
He's a very smart lad, as it turned out he didn't drop a set the whole tournament.
You guys need to start thinking like pros if you want to truly understand how Feds operates before you criticise him.
Djokovic knows this as well, as Federer in a Grand Slam is a whole different ball game.
Federer wouldn't risk injury or ruining his timing a week before a Grand Slam.


This is what I was talking about? Do you really, but let me say this again REALLY think anyone ( wrld nr1 at that ) would let an upcoming star to beat him in no less than master series tournament final ? Tactical move ? I can say I dont want to offend you but that was like exebition and this is masters and if you DO think so, oh my , you are not smart to put it that way.

127mph
08-15-2007, 12:19 PM
i like how novak wins a hardcourt event on a big stage, hes suddenly the king. who has the longest grass and hardcourt streaks? federer. who has more slams on hardcourts and masters series on clay? federer.

enough

latinking
08-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Carlos Moya, best on hard court. lol

daddy
08-15-2007, 02:34 PM
i like how novak wins a hardcourt event on a big stage, hes suddenly the king. who has the longest grass and hardcourt streaks? federer. who has more slams on hardcourts and masters series on clay? federer.

enough

Yes correct etc. For me all the talk now is about how good will djoko and other guys be in lets say a year from now. 08 - can people predict if fed will continue to dominate or will few other youtngsters get a piece of cake for themselves ? They can obviously but will they ?

No question about present moment , but will the guys mature to challange him any time soon > thats what is the real question for me. As for the posts above and people just laughing at everything , if I was mod here, many would not have half the posts they do ..

NamRanger
08-15-2007, 03:15 PM
Djokovic losing to a "clay specialist" (which I know he's not, excellent all court player) Carlos Moya on a fast hardcourt. How's the King of Hardcourt doing now after that 6-1 thrashing in the second set?

daddy
08-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Djokovic losing to a "clay specialist" (which I know he's not, excellent all court player) Carlos Moya on a fast hardcourt. How's the King of Hardcourt doing now after that 6-1 thrashing in the second set?


Go to novaks web page, I am not here to argue with you. Nadal witdrew ? Fittest player tennis has seen with knee injury withdraws from cin because of arm injury ? Cmon mate, you need to grow up and face it, at 20 you can lose easily when you have a bad day.

Q: Do you think novak is one of the best hardcourt players today or not ? Would you rate him in top few besides federer, and couple of others ? If your answer is yes, then shut up. If not then switch sports, I hear chess is good.

tennis_hand
08-15-2007, 11:02 PM
well. Djokovic still needs to learn how to manage all of these tournaments after losing to Moya.
but back-to-back masters is indeed bad. Fed last year also lost to Murray.

BigServer1
08-15-2007, 11:47 PM
Hey do you guys remember this time last year when Murray was the guy that was going to challenge Federer for Hard Court domination? Yeah, me too...

Batoussai
08-15-2007, 11:59 PM
Is moya better than Sampras... Personally I think not, but after he beat Djoko he has to be close since djoko was so close...

*sigh*

redsoxrock930
08-16-2007, 12:29 AM
i don't think that federer was bustin his balls in his match djokovic.I think he was warming up for the Open and assessing his competition. if djokovic makes a surprise run to the final i thin federer will crush him, he's just too smart and experienced for djokovic

tennis_hand
08-16-2007, 01:57 AM
come on. Federer played his usual good tennis in Montreal, better than Djokovic. Look at the score. But djokovic won the points that mattered in the tiebreaks, so Djokovic won with a better than best performance.

mileslong
08-16-2007, 09:48 AM
Djokovic is 20 while Federer is 26. It is a joke to compare to slams and stuff as Djokovic is just starting while Fed is on his way out soon.

no its a joke to proclaim that novak is better than fed at hardcourts and that fed is on his way out soon...

NadalandFedererfan
08-16-2007, 10:23 AM
Djokovic is 20 while Federer is 26. It is a joke to compare to slams and stuff as Djokovic is just starting while Fed is on his way out soon.

Federer just turned 26, has been in all 3 slam finals this year and winning 2 of them, yet he is on "on his way out soon". Well i just noticed your username, and I forget with most people an adoration of Federer or Nadal requires a boundless hatred for the other one which blinds reality. Forgive me for not factoring in this typical ignorance.

A-Rod6600
09-16-2007, 03:32 PM
Ok, maybe it was too early to say that Djoko is the best on hard courts, but think how close he got to federer. With 2 set up(having converted the set points he had)it would have been another match. History doesn't count the "if" but we can definetely said that Djoko is a real threat to Federer's Grand Slam reign on hard courts. 2008 can be the right year for the serbian to win his first grand slam! and i guess it will happen!

Kim
09-17-2007, 04:37 AM
If Djoko had WON the FIRST SET, Fed would NOT have lost the second set... so its mighty impossible to say that Djoko could have been 2-0 up.

zagor
09-17-2007, 08:00 AM
Djokovic is definitely second best on hard courts,but Federer is still first,he won two hardcourt slams and beat Djoko in straight sets in both of them

Sliceboy2
09-17-2007, 08:13 AM
Djoko is good in hardcourts, but I don't think he has a lot of receipts yet to prove it. For the mean time Fed has my vote, Djoko will have his time, he is inching closer though.

A-Rod6600
01-25-2008, 05:31 AM
Wait wait wait, what was the semi result?

rosenstar
01-25-2008, 06:52 AM
too early. so far Fed is still hard court king. Djokovic is 2nd. Nadal has improved on it, but probably is worse than a surging Djokovic.

what if tsonga wins the final this weekend? will Djokovic still be the 2nd best hard courter in the world?

daddy
01-25-2008, 07:01 AM
what if tsonga wins the final this weekend? will Djokovic still be the 2nd best hard courter in the world?

Now that djokovic proved he is consistant and good, I would say even if tsonga wins, he would have to, at least imo, prove that he also can repeatedly beat the worlds best and become one of them. Rest of the season is here for him to do so. :)

rosenstar
01-25-2008, 07:10 AM
Now that djokovic proved he is consistant and good, I would say even if tsonga wins, he would have to, at least imo, prove that he also can repeatedly beat the worlds best and become one of them. Rest of the season is here for him to do so. :)

fair enough. I personally believe that Nadal is the best clay courter, and federer is the second. I belive Federer is the best grass courter, and as much as I hate to say it, Nadal is the 2nd best. I think Federer is the best hard courter, and as of now, there is no second best on hard courts. I'm not sure that Djokovic could beat someone like blake, or Tsonga, someone who can really flatten out the ball and hit through the court.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that no one (other than Federer) has been truly dominant on hard courts. Plenty of players have had solid streaks and flashes of brilliance, but no has really stunned me as an incredible hard court player.

daddy
01-25-2008, 07:27 AM
fair enough. I personally believe that Nadal is the best clay courter, and federer is the second. I belive Federer is the best grass courter, and as much as I hate to say it, Nadal is the 2nd best. I think Federer is the best hard courter, and as of now, there is no second best on hard courts. I'm not sure that Djokovic could beat someone like blake, or Tsonga, someone who can really flatten out the ball and hit through the court.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that no one (other than Federer) has been truly dominant on hard courts. Plenty of players have had solid streaks and flashes of brilliance, but no has really stunned me as an incredible hard court player.

I will only tell you one thing though. Djokovic is way better on grass courts than anyone here rates him. Future champ imo. I hate to be bashed for saying this but believe you me, he toook one set of nadal in semis although heavily fatigued. I am not saying this is proove for that, I just watch him on grass a lot, he lost to Mario Ancic in wimby 2006, who is really a great grass courter himself, having beaten federer in wimbledon year before he started his run. in 2007 Djokovic went on to play back to back 5 setters and then face Nadal heavily fatigued after silly rules which made them play like day to day and Federer rest for 5 days.

Do not reply, just take a note of what I said and remember it. I am sure time will prove me right.

TennezSport
01-25-2008, 07:53 AM
I have to agree with D as Nole is getting better on all surfaces very quickly. If he can improve his volleying and footwork on grass or clay for that matter, he will quickly pass Rafa and threaten Fed (as long as he stays healthy[breathing issues]).

Things will be getting much tougher on Rafa and Fed this year with a number of players who are gaining confidence against both. Add to that the question of Rafa's knees and having to play harder than ever to maintain his position, this could be a make or break year for Rafa. In all fairness I said could be. Fed has more game and can adjust better than Rafa, but I still think he will be under threat.

TennezSport :cool:

CyBorg
01-25-2008, 08:07 AM
n/m

10 char

Zaragoza
01-25-2008, 08:15 AM
I have to agree with D as Nole is getting better on all surfaces very quickly. If he can improve his volleying and footwork on grass or clay for that matter, he will quickly pass Rafa and threaten Fed (as long as he stays healthy[breathing issues]).

Things will be getting much tougher on Rafa and Fed this year with a number of players who are gaining confidence against both. Add to that the question of Rafa's knees and having to play harder than ever to maintain his position, this could be a make or break year for Rafa. In all fairness I said could be. Fed has more game and can adjust better than Rafa, but I still think he will be under threat.

TennezSport :cool:

Only in your imagination Nadalīs knees are injured now. I take it as a wishful thinking.

daddy
01-25-2008, 08:21 AM
Only in your imagination Nadalīs knees are injured now. I take it as a wishful thinking.

Zara, I have to say he seems slugish at times. I do not think this is the best he can do and the wraping around his knees and well known tendinitis thruout last year, said so by many including Rafa - I dont think its 100% ok and ready for max performace, and he always gives 110% so I think he is a bit put off by that, there is some truth to it.

TennezSport
01-25-2008, 08:32 AM
Only in your imagination Nadalīs knees are injured now. I take it as a wishful thinking.

Where did I say injured??? I said the "question of".......... I have some experience with tendonitis and as long as you see Rafa's knees strapped there is a question. Tendonitis does not go away when you continually beat on the legs and ligaments as Rafa does. Two players that I coached have lost their speed due to the condition; one had to have multiple surgeries.

If Rafa continues down that road even with the medical help he gets, it's a losing proposition, and to see this at only 21 is more of an issue. Rafa has had more injuries on his body at the age of 21 then most players ten years older. What does that tell you if Rafa continues to play the way he currently does. He will have to play less in order to relieve the condition, but that would mean losing his #2 position and never making it to #1. I do not think Rafa will play less.

I have followed Rafa career since he was 16yrs old and I always though that he would be a great player. Not because of his playing style but because of his heart and determination. He is good for the sport, but you have to face the facts that his game is destroying his body. With the new young guns having the ability to push Rafa harder and harder, you do the math. Rafa is not superman.

TennezSport :cool:

rosenstar
01-25-2008, 10:52 AM
I really believe that Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic all have 5 years of top 10 tennis left, assuming theres no freak injuries. By freak injuries, I don't mean Nadal's tendinitus, I mean something like what happened to blake a couple years ago.

coloskier
01-25-2008, 09:09 PM
Until someone else besides Fed wins 7 GS on hard courts and 5 at Wimbledon, Fed is still #1. Until someone beats Nadal on Clay, he is still #1.

tennisboi
01-25-2008, 09:26 PM
this is simple. fed is still the king of hard courts and grass. he lost to djokovic, but that doesn't mean djokovic is number one on hardcourts. If he ends up winning the australian open and somehow winning the us open. then i will give him more credit for being the number one hardcourt player. but until then...he is not.

for nadal, he is the number one clay court player. you've seen how he plays on clay and how it is his home court. he lives to play on clay courts. i still think that fed won't be able to beat him at the french this year. nadal is just too good on clay. i say he has a better mental game. just look at when he is down love-40 on his serve. he get's it back to duece. that's a strong mental game.

A-Rod6600
01-28-2008, 04:56 AM
First slam on hard-court, beating Federer for the second time on this surface, where is this guy going to? He is the king at the moment!

David L
01-28-2008, 06:17 AM
First slam on hard-court, beating Federer for the second time on this surface, where is this guy going to? He is the king at the moment!How can he be the king when he's ranked No.3?

Nadal_Freak
01-28-2008, 11:16 AM
How can he be the king when he's ranked No.3?
Yep Djokovic needs to be dedicated to playing at a high level for all the tournaments he enters to be the number 1 player. It's not a matter if he can get to that level. It's a matter if he can stay at that level. The indoor season showed otherwise.

ferocious4hand
01-28-2008, 11:31 AM
How can he be the king when he's ranked No.3?

Not according to his mama!

A-Rod6600
01-29-2008, 01:11 AM
How can Rafa be the king of clay an ranked no2?

Nadal_Freak
01-29-2008, 01:21 AM
How can Rafa be the king of clay an ranked no2?
You kidding right?

FEDEXP
01-29-2008, 01:24 AM
So Djocovic has his first well deserved Grand Slam win, it's 2008, and the thread title is still premature. Anyone interested (as they say on Bravo) in actually watching what happens?

my_forehand
01-29-2008, 02:12 AM
You kidding right?

Prince of clay :)

Andres
01-29-2008, 03:27 AM
How many hard court grand slams has Djokovic won?
One :D


10ch

Cyan
02-01-2008, 07:14 PM
The title of this thread is self explanatory, I suppose....

PCXL-Fan
02-01-2008, 07:28 PM
Does nobody remember that Roddick beat Federer on hardcourt at Kooyong just before the AusOpen?
Does nobody remember that Federer beat Nadal on clay at Hamburg just before RG?
Does nobody remember that Roddick won Queens just before Wimbledon? With Nadal defeated in the first week and Fed not even playing?

Djoko best on hardcourts ... bwahaha. I'm sure he will be one day, but it isn't today.
Warm-ups count for squat once the Slams start.

EXACTLY!!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT :rolleyes:

I'll put another example.
Does anyone remember that Djokovic beat Federer on hardcourt at Montreal just before the USOpen?
LOLOLOLOL As if that mean Djokovic is capable of winning a hardcourt Slam.

Oh wait nevermind.... :p

/sarcasm :rolleyes: (yes everything above was mocking Mad Ix)

feetofclay
02-02-2008, 01:26 PM
Rafael Nadal should not be counted out of hard court events. Anyone remember Miami 2004 Nadal beat Federer 6-3 6-3, Miami 2005 Nadal took Federer to 5 sets and should have won, Dubai 2006 Nadal beat Federer 2-6 6-4 6-4. All hard court events when Federer was at his prime.

Teh_pwnerer
02-02-2008, 03:11 PM
hey that sounds fair!

sharks195
02-02-2008, 07:33 PM
it is time to face the truth, baghdatis will be the best on all courts in a few year's time, so this whole argument is pointless

begbie86
02-02-2008, 08:27 PM
Not according to his mama!

Was current #1 born at this position?!

Blue Drop
02-03-2008, 02:08 PM
What's interesting is that it's no longer really possible to call either of the top two "the best" on a particular surface, if you consider that Fed made it to two consecutive FO finals, and Nadal making it to the Wimbledon final and putting up a good fight there. Then there's Djoko making the US Open final. So no, I don't think it breaks down into neat catagories, as the OP has tried to do.

tennisadd1ct
02-03-2008, 02:29 PM
NO no no no!!! Federer's still the bomb :)

Leelord337
02-03-2008, 02:29 PM
you've gotta be kidding me. Federer still has a 5-2 lifetime record over djokovic. in the interviews he said he had a bad day.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Djokovic%2C+Novak&player2=roger+federer

Nadal_Freak
02-03-2008, 03:07 PM
you've gotta be kidding me. Federer still has a 5-2 lifetime record over djokovic. in the interviews he said he had a bad day.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Djokovic%2C+Novak&player2=roger+federer
Djokovic is only 20 and is turning the record around. He has won 2 of the last 3 against Federer.

Leelord337
02-03-2008, 04:35 PM
Djokovic is only 20 and is turning the record around. He has won 2 of the last 3 against Federer.

lol....ok...so if God gave you the ability to play like Federer or Djokovic you'd pick Djokovic? (since you think djokovic is better...)

begbie86
02-03-2008, 04:41 PM
lol....ok...so if God gave you the ability to play like Federer or Djokovic you'd pick Djokovic? (since you think djokovic is better...)

I think that he said that his age means that he will be advancing more in his playing. The fact that he had beaten #1 twice, when he was 19 and 20 years old, means that he has a great future ahead of him...

Leelord337
02-03-2008, 04:51 PM
^^^1 word..."Agassi"

Also, in this interview, Federer said he wants to play until he is 35 http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1385361

daddy
02-03-2008, 05:33 PM
^^^ Its not what you want but if you can do it. On the other hand agassi is agassi, we all agree on that one. And last but not least some players fade at 25 and some start making real results after that so ... Nothink can be concluded as we speak we ned more time.

Leelord337
02-03-2008, 05:43 PM
^^^ Its not what you want but if you can do it. On the other hand agassi is agassi, we all agree on that one. And last but not least some players fade at 25 and some start making real results after that so ... Nothink can be concluded as we speak we ned more time.

also Jimmy Connors, Rod Laver, John Mcenroe, Ivan Lendl, and not to mention Pancho Gonzalez. They all played great in their 30's

begbie86
02-03-2008, 05:45 PM
also Jimmy Connors, Rod Laver, John Mcenroe, Ivan Lendl, and not to mention Pancho Gonzalez. They all played great in their 30's

But none of them played as well as Nole is playing in his age...

Nadal_Freak
02-03-2008, 07:24 PM
lol....ok...so if God gave you the ability to play like Federer or Djokovic you'd pick Djokovic? (since you think djokovic is better...)
Well counting all those wins for Federer before Djokovic was a top 5 player is ridiculous. I say it is 2-1 Djokovic since he made the top 5. ;)

begbie86
02-03-2008, 07:35 PM
Well counting all those wins for Federer before Djokovic was a top 5 player is ridiculous. I say it is 2-1 Djokovic since he made the top 5. ;)

Good point... :wink:

Leelord337
02-03-2008, 07:40 PM
lol....ok...so if God gave you the ability to play like Federer or Djokovic you'd pick Djokovic? (since you think djokovic is better...)

Ok, am I the only one here that would rather play like Federer than Djokovic?

Nadal_Freak
02-03-2008, 07:40 PM
How is it all of a sudden now you are this huge Djokovic fan? If I were you I would be watching out for Nadal getting mauled by Novak the next time they play.
I'm not a huge Djokovic fan. I'm just keeping the *******s in line. :D

begbie86
02-03-2008, 07:41 PM
How is it all of a sudden now you are this huge Djokovic fan? If I were you I would be watching out for Nadal getting mauled by Novak the next time they play.

Well, but if it happen, he would not begrudge him that victory, or hate Novak for winning, cursing him on every thread like some other fans do... Just as I would do if the situation is opposite...

(FEDERER)vs(NADAL)
02-03-2008, 07:45 PM
Face it, at this point a lot of people would say this and this is good for tennis as there are three great players who can battle for no1 position, and some other guys that can beat them occasionally, giving some thrilling to the season!

i personally think it's true, but none of the other two will do nearly as well as federer

TennezSport
02-03-2008, 07:48 PM
But none of them played as well as Nole is playing in his age...

Sampras won his first USO at 19 yrs old, so your analogy is mute. Sampras also said that is was too early to win at that age as it put too much pressure on him (Nole is no Sampras). Now Nole has the same pressure and we all know how he has breathing issues when he is under pressure. It will be very interesting to see how he does with the target and pressure on his back now.

TennezSport :cool:

begbie86
02-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Sampras won his first USO at 19 yrs old, so your analogy is mute. Sampras also said that is was too early to win at that age as it put too much pressure on him (Nole is no Sampras). Now Nole has the same pressure and we all know how he has breathing issues when he is under pressure. It will be very interesting to see how he does with the target and pressure on his back now.

TennezSport :cool:

Mate, he didn't mention Sampras... Pete was my all-time favorite player until Djokovic emerged... :) I would certainly not dispraise him...

begbie86
02-03-2008, 07:57 PM
You are right. I guess for some reason he has a sevre hatred for Federer. It must really tick him off that Federer keeps winning and all the while making Nadal his whipping boy on everything except clay.

But now, as the title of the thread says, we have Federer on grass, Rafa on clay and Nole on hard courts... Fed will not be able to maintain his gap on Rafa anymore, neither Rafa will be able to keep his on Nole... It is much tougher now, and as you can see, Rafa and Fed are equal now (clay vs. grass), because one of the surfaces on which Roger had advantage is now taken by Novak...

begbie86
02-03-2008, 08:15 PM
Because of 1 loss? Are you kidding? And you are aware that Novak vanished at the end of the hardcourt season right? You can say that when he starts beating Federer consistently on hardcourts. I could tell you right now, if Federer had to play Djokovic on hardcourts and your life depended on you picking the right winner I sure as hell wouldn't pick Djokovic.

Wait and see... This is his season... Last year he had lost USO final, but if you saw the match (I suppose you did), you will agree that it was just because his lack of experience. Now, he is one pro season older, and already had won the first GS on hard court. He outplayed no other than Fedex in the final, and USO is yet to come... Call me a fanboy, but I'm pretty sure that he is able to win it this year.

begbie86
02-03-2008, 08:27 PM
So, if they were to play say this Wed. and your life depended on picking the winner you would pick Djokovic?

Why not? Hadn't he beaten him, like, 10 days ago? :confused:

begbie86
02-03-2008, 08:38 PM
Sure, you are right. So would you care to make a little wager that Novak won't be winning the next time they play, which should be in either IW or Miami?

Mate, we can make only virtual bet: if Novak wins his next match on hard court against Fed - you will post a thread in which you will tell everyone that you've been a stupid fool, and that you were wrong about everything about Nole, you will also call him the one and only king of hard courts...

In opposite, I will do the same thing...

Agree? :arrow::idea:

begbie86
02-03-2008, 08:46 PM
Well, I was going to bet that if either of us loss that we would have to leave the forum until the FO starts, but that sounds good too I guess. Whichever you prefer.

Let it be yours... We have a deal... :) It's nice to bring a new dimension to this forum... :)
Now, back to the topic. Do you really think that Novak hasn't got the chance on being best on hard courts in the near future? By "near future", I presume following 2 years...

begbie86
02-03-2008, 08:59 PM
The results from the indoor hardcourts at the end of the year tell a different story.

True, but, considering that his previous season was the longest and hardest for him (he had played much more tournaments than Fed, which is normal), and that he was not so well physically prepared for such dint, and that hard court season finishes the year, that was the most probable outcome for him...
I think this year it will be different, especially if he gets more physical training, which is his weakest link. Plus, as I have already said, he is one pro season older...
I see no problem in his consistency of playing, he gives his best on every match, always playing some quality tennis, only the physical aspect needs to be improved.

Turning Pro
07-07-2008, 03:11 AM
There has been a little changing of the guard lately.

A-Rod6600
07-07-2008, 05:18 AM
There has been a little changing of the guard lately.
Yeah you're right, rafa is the best on 2/3 and Djoko on 1/3. Fed is the best in nothing!

cpfan1
07-07-2008, 05:22 AM
Fed had health issues during the 2008 AO. So he's still the best hardcourt guy.

Grass. Tied now between Fed and Nadal

Clay . Nadal. No discussion

Stinkdyr
07-07-2008, 06:58 AM
Um, it is pretty clear right now that Nada rules grass and clay. Fed is still best on hardcourt, but Djoker nipping at his heels. I think Fed is now in that same twilight position that Sampras was in for his last few years...really struggling to just win those last couple of Majors to break the record....and it's getting tougher every week. Go Roger!

BlahDow
07-07-2008, 06:59 AM
Going by this logic Djokovic should be #1? lol...assuming he could do well enough on other surfaces.

hoodjem
07-07-2008, 07:02 AM
Djokovic may be number three, but it is a distant third (AO notwithstanding).

Rafa and Fed are in a class all their own.

Nadal_Freak
07-07-2008, 10:31 AM
Yeah you're right, rafa is the best on 2/3 and Djoko on 1/3. Fed is the best in nothing!
I would still give Fed the benefit of fast hardcourts while Djokovic is best on slow hardcourts.

A-Rod6600
07-07-2008, 02:46 PM
I would still give Fed the benefit of fast hardcourts while Djokovic is best on slow hardcourts.
Explain it better, fed better at Ao and fed on decoturf at us?

Nadal_Freak
07-07-2008, 02:51 PM
Explain it better, fed better at Ao and fed on decoturf at us?
Yeah Fed is the favorite at the US Open and if the Australian Open stays slow, Djokovic would be the favorite there.

NamRanger
07-07-2008, 03:18 PM
Um, it is pretty clear right now that Nada rules grass and clay. Fed is still best on hardcourt, but Djoker nipping at his heels. I think Fed is now in that same twilight position that Sampras was in for his last few years...really struggling to just win those last couple of Majors to break the record....and it's getting tougher every week. Go Roger!


If Federer had not played sloppy those first two sets, he could have won. He just didn't wake up until after the rain delay, when he realized that he was losing. Federer turned it up a notch, but it was too late as he gave Nadal way too big of a lead to come back and win.

coloskier
07-07-2008, 03:50 PM
Going by this logic Djokovic should be #1? lol...assuming he could do well enough on other surfaces.

Yes, getting blown out in the 2nd round at Wimbledon really proved he was #1. NOT!!!!! And if you are using the logic that that a lot of people use around here, Federer beat Novak like a bad stepchild the last time they played, even if it was on clay and Novak retired (or should I say quit because he was getting spanked worse than he does by his mommy).