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jasoncho92
08-17-2007, 10:45 PM
Im wondering how long it usually takes to become a 4.0 after starting from a 1.5

Tennismastery
08-17-2007, 11:07 PM
Im wondering how long it usually takes to become a 4.0 after starting from a 1.5

It depends on so many variables: however, the most important is how you learn or are being taught the game. If you are learning inferior methods that are easier to "get the ball over the net" but, are not that which skilled players use, you may NEVER get to a 4.0 level. (As so many millions of players who are still at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels even as they have been playing for decades!).

I have had many players reach 4.0 within two years of learning how to play. If you really study the game and employ the right practice procedures you could become a 4.0 HITTING player in less than two years. However, to be competitive at the 4.0 level might take a little longer as the experience factor can't be rushed too much for anyone.

Good luck!

Rui
08-18-2007, 01:38 PM
Remember, it's the journey, not the destination. Okay, the destination is pretty cool too. Go for 4.5.

TennisFrkJC92
08-18-2007, 01:50 PM
It's fairly easy trust me. I got to 4.0-4.5 in a year. But i did play A LOT.

Once you get to 4.0-4.5, it's much harder to improve

Bottle Rocket
08-18-2007, 02:23 PM
.............

Bottle Rocket
08-18-2007, 02:24 PM
It's fairly easy trust me.

That qualifies as one of the worst statements made here in a long time.

I seriously doubt you're actually competitive in a USTA tournament at 4.0 after one year. I seriously doubt it.

Rafa freak
08-18-2007, 02:26 PM
It took me about a year and a half.

spot
08-18-2007, 02:27 PM
I picked up a racket for the first time 2 years go and I am now a 4.0 in Atlanta. Its certainly doable if you just concentrate on working on the things that you need to improve in every match.

Gantz
08-18-2007, 02:33 PM
it took me 127 and a half years.

ChocolatePie
08-18-2007, 03:36 PM
It's taken me a year to become a high 3.5 player...so I have no clue really.

Ambivalent
08-18-2007, 05:03 PM
As stated above, there are MANY variables. Some of the most important include -

1. Talent - talented players learn faster and therefore get better faster
2. Practice - Are you taking weekly lessons with a coach? Tournaments? etc
3. Retention - Do you USE what your coach teaches you and have a drive to improve?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a majority of players who call tennis their first sport are around the 3.5-4.0 levels. Rarely do people get to 4.5 without being serious about tennis.

TennisFrkJC92
08-18-2007, 05:44 PM
That qualifies as one of the worst statements made here in a long time.

I seriously doubt you're actually competitive in a USTA tournament at 4.0 after one year. I seriously doubt it.


Actually, i just entered a tournament in Eastern Section Southern Region Level 2 Boys 16s. I got eliminated the second round.
I started entering tournaments this month but i'm planning on entering a lot more tournaments this year. Develop my mental game, strategy, etc...

And my statement before may have been a little dumb... Everybody learns and improves differently. That was just in my opinion.

Bottle Rocket
08-18-2007, 05:50 PM
And my statement before may have been a little dumb... Everybody learns and improves differently.

I like that much better... :wink:

Hokiez
08-18-2007, 05:56 PM
Between 1 year and infinity really. I know many people who are in their mid 50's who have played for 20+ years who never progressed beyond 3.5. I also know of one person who took up the game at 29, played one year at 3.5 before getting bumped to 4.0 and very possibly to 4.5 this year. He plays once or at most twice per week, but will often miss weeks at a time.

Omisoshiru
08-18-2007, 07:33 PM
Isn't it really just how much work you put into it, and what you learn? (assuming its the correct thing and you CHOOSING TO do it)

Tennis_Monk
08-18-2007, 08:03 PM
4.0 isnt that high a level in Recreational Tennis. I would suggest aim for much higher (around 5.0). It is easy to progress through each level until 3.5. A year is probably the time to get to this level if done right. From this point on things get progessively difficult. From this stage on things that didnt matter before (eg: weak backhand, lack of a DTL shot, lack of a strong second serve etc) will become very important. The time to progress really depends on how strong one's fundamentals are and how much work they are willing to put in to work on weaker aspects of one's game. I would say to get to 4.0 from 3.5 could be anywhere between 8-12 months (assuming progress is being made. There are millions of players stuck in 3.5 for various reasons). 4.0 - 4.5 , sorry no set rule. If you are talented and have access to some pro's/courts and doing the hardwork, i would say it is another 8 month effort.

VS_Power
08-18-2007, 11:46 PM
don't think about how long. play.

jasoncho92
08-20-2007, 11:35 PM
I was just wondering jeez -_- So if ive been progressing from a 1.5 to 3.5 in 6 1/2 months around how long would it take to go to a 4.0?

koopa_troopa
08-20-2007, 11:54 PM
I was just wondering jeez -_- So if ive been progressing from a 1.5 to 3.5 in 6 1/2 months around how long would it take to go to a 4.0?

The truth is no one knows. Its like a 10 year old asking in how many years will he become a pro tennis player. It could be within the normal time frame, or it could be never.

GuyClinch
08-21-2007, 06:22 AM
I've played with some 4.0 league players and they are pretty good. I disagree that it's a low level in recreational tennis. The vast majority of players are NEVER going to make it there and sadly I don't think I am an exception to that rule.

As far as some guy who SAYS he is 4.0. Yeah lots of people make it there..

Pete

SlapShot
08-21-2007, 08:59 AM
I've played with some 4.0 league players and they are pretty good. I disagree that it's a low level in recreational tennis. The vast majority of players are NEVER going to make it there and sadly I don't think I am an exception to that rule.

As far as some guy who SAYS he is 4.0. Yeah lots of people make it there..

Pete

I agree - 4.0 is definitely not "beginner" tennis - most people need to concentrate on reaching 4.0, and it's getting even more difficult with the problems with NTRP ;) . I just came back to tennis after taking all of college off (played #1 singles and #1 dubs on varsity in high school), and I'm just scratching the 4.0 level right now after spending 3-4 days/week on the court all summer. It's definitely still challenging to win at 4.0 level tennis.

A lot of people look at the NTRP guide and assume that they fit a certain level, until they play a tourney at that level and see how truly competitive it is.

ohplease
08-21-2007, 09:27 AM
4.0 isnt that high a level in Recreational Tennis. I would suggest aim for much higher (around 5.0). It is easy to progress through each level until 3.5. A year is probably the time to get to this level if done right. From this point on things get progessively difficult. From this stage on things that didnt matter before (eg: weak backhand, lack of a DTL shot, lack of a strong second serve etc) will become very important. The time to progress really depends on how strong one's fundamentals are and how much work they are willing to put in to work on weaker aspects of one's game. I would say to get to 4.0 from 3.5 could be anywhere between 8-12 months (assuming progress is being made. There are millions of players stuck in 3.5 for various reasons). 4.0 - 4.5 , sorry no set rule. If you are talented and have access to some pro's/courts and doing the hardwork, i would say it is another 8 month effort.

From this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=134649

...we get this link: http://www.southern.usta.com/usaleaguetennis/custom.sps?iType=987&icustompageid=20205

USTA 4.0 tennis currently represents the top 25% (or better) players serious enough about tennis to play USTA events. You now regularly see former college players at 4.5, and often sneaking around at 4.0.

In fact, unless you've played against someone who gets regular playing time for a 3.5 team that's made it to district level competition in a major metro area, I submit you really have NO IDEA how good 4.0 tennis really is. Not "hitting around" - playing.

There is simply no level of tennis at which you can hide an inability to handle off speed junk. Players capable of very high level tennis will have no issues humiliating you either with their regular games, or with pushy moon balls. Do your time at 3.0, learn your lessons, and take as long as you need.

BTW: 4.5 level players? Top 5% of the USTA playing population according to that link. Of the 20 posts here, assuming no repeats, that means exactly ONE poster is 4.5 or better.

If someone tells you the level they THINK they are, and they've never personally played USTA, you can immediately begin ignoring every word out of their mouths until they start talking about something else. That's ESPECIALLY true of moes posting on the internet.

smoothtennis
08-21-2007, 11:39 AM
It's fairly easy trust me. I got to 4.0-4.5 in a year. But i did play A LOT.

Once you get to 4.0-4.5, it's much harder to improve

The difference between 4.0 and 4.5 is a huge disparity in my state. This statement sounds crazy to me, when I consider the difference between the two from what I have witnessed first hand and on court.

Your statement can be taken as... you got to 4.5 in one year. Go check out a major zone USTA tournament and watch the 4.5's. Are you sure you did that in ONE YEAR? If so, one more year, and you could be hitting satellites if you are that talented.

SlapShot
08-21-2007, 11:43 AM
The difference between 4.0 and 4.5 is a huge disparity in my state. This statement sounds crazy to me, when I consider the difference between the two from what I have witnessed first hand and on court.

Your statement can be taken as... you got to 4.5 in one year. Go check out a major zone USTA tournament and watch the 4.5's. Are you sure you did that in ONE YEAR? If so, one more year, and you could be hitting satellites if you are that talented.

A later post said that he joined an under-16 tourney and was knocked out in the second round. That's definitely not 4.5 level tennis, as a 4.5 level player under age 16 would be a pretty high level junior player.

EricW
08-21-2007, 11:45 AM
The difference between 4.0 and 4.5 is a huge disparity in my state. This statement sounds crazy to me, when I consider the difference between the two from what I have witnessed first hand and on court.

Your statement can be taken as... you got to 4.5 in one year. Go check out a major zone USTA tournament and watch the 4.5's. Are you sure you did that in ONE YEAR? If so, one more year, and you could be hitting satellites if you are that talented.

Just ignore him, he obviously has no idea what he's talking about, he's probably a 3.0 or at most a 3.5.

BreakPoint
08-21-2007, 12:05 PM
It's fairly easy trust me. I got to 4.0-4.5 in a year. But i did play A LOT.

Once you get to 4.0-4.5, it's much harder to improve
Really? That's impressive!

Are you sure you're a true 4.0-4.5? What was your record in USTA league play at the 4.0 and 4.5 levels? What was your record in USTA tournament play at those levels?

I agree that once you get to 4.0-4.5 that it becomes much, much harder to go any higher.

Fatmike
08-21-2007, 12:11 PM
6-7 years

.......

smoothtennis
08-21-2007, 12:26 PM
6-7 years

.......

That is much closer to reality for a 'normal' person who plays maybe once or twice a week.

goober
08-21-2007, 12:32 PM
BTW: 4.5 level players? Top 5% of the USTA playing population according to that link. Of the 20 posts here, assuming no repeats, that means exactly ONE poster is 4.5 or better.

If someone tells you the level they THINK they are, and they've never personally played USTA, you can immediately begin ignoring every word out of their mouths until they start talking about something else. That's ESPECIALLY true of moes posting on the internet.

While I agree with your sentiment, I think that the population that posts here are not the same as a sample from the general tennis playing population. It is definitely skewed towards the higher end. I think that more than 1 in 20 regular posters here are 4.5 or higher

Hokiez
08-21-2007, 05:31 PM
The difference between 4.0 and 4.5 is a huge disparity in my state. This statement sounds crazy to me, when I consider the difference between the two from what I have witnessed first hand and on court.

Your statement can be taken as... you got to 4.5 in one year. Go check out a major zone USTA tournament and watch the 4.5's. Are you sure you did that in ONE YEAR? If so, one more year, and you could be hitting satellites if you are that talented.

Same here. I play 4.0 and lost only one match this year in USTA (damn torn rotator cuff cost me the perfect season) 50:50 singles/doubles but other than 2 4.5's I know, the others simply wipe the court with me and they are average within the 4.5 pool city wide. From 3.5 to 4.0 there is quite a bit of overlap but the gap between 4.0 and 4.5 is monumental around here.

base_liner
08-21-2007, 06:04 PM
It depends on so many variables: however, the most important is how you learn or are being taught the game. If you are learning inferior methods that are easier to "get the ball over the net" but, are not that which skilled players use, you may NEVER get to a 4.0 level. (As so many millions of players who are still at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels even as they have been playing for decades!).

I have had many players reach 4.0 within two years of learning how to play. If you really study the game and employ the right practice procedures you could become a 4.0 HITTING player in less than two years. However, to be competitive at the 4.0 level might take a little longer as the experience factor can't be rushed too much for anyone.

Good luck!

this guy is right.. i have been playing almost 4 years now and im only a 5.0

SlapShot
08-21-2007, 07:52 PM
this guy is right.. i have been playing almost 4 years now and im only a 5.0

I'm going to go ahead and say that there's no way that you are a 5.0 if you've only been playing for 4 years. 5.0 is strong Division II or weak Division I college level tennis - 95% of people who pick up a tennis racquet never get there, much less after only 4 years.

goober
08-21-2007, 08:13 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say that there's no way that you are a 5.0 if you've only been playing for 4 years. 5.0 is strong Division II or weak Division I college level tennis - 95% of people who pick up a tennis racquet never get there, much less after only 4 years.

Well I think he is in high school so he doesn't really have a clue. 5.0 high school player in 4 years is possible, but unless you have a national ranking in the top 150 you probably are not 5.0

TennisFrkJC92
08-21-2007, 08:22 PM
Really? That's impressive!

Are you sure you're a true 4.0-4.5? What was your record in USTA league play at the 4.0 and 4.5 levels? What was your record in USTA tournament play at those levels?

I agree that once you get to 4.0-4.5 that it becomes much, much harder to go any higher.

True 4.0-4.5, my highschool coach rated me and he's been playing and coaching tennis most of his life so i'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

I just started entering USTA tournaments in eastern section southern region Level 2 tournaments. My first tournament, i got up to the QF without that much effort and got owned by the first seed. I just need to improve my mental game and then improve to a 5.0 and i think i'll be ready for Level 1 tournaments. I also have another tournament next week and i'm hoping to get to the finals.

jasoncho92
08-21-2007, 11:40 PM
I dont see how getting to a 4.0 in a year is so difficult... the guys i play with got to 4.0 or pretty damn close to it without any formal lessons in a year and i got to 3.5 in 6 months with some lessons. And i thought 5.0 of div iii tennis not div ii or low div i

SlapShot
08-22-2007, 05:54 AM
I dont see how getting to a 4.0 in a year is so difficult... the guys i play with got to 4.0 or pretty damn close to it without any formal lessons in a year and i got to 3.5 in 6 months with some lessons. And i thought 5.0 of div iii tennis not div ii or low div i

It depends on the school. Top level Division III players can reach 5.0, but a solid 4.5 would probably cut it on almost every D3 school. DII probably extends into 5.5 (TonLars on this board played DII tennis, had a very good winning record, and he's stretching into 6.0 now), but a 5.0 would be able to hack it on a DII and probably a weaker DI team.

SlapShot
08-22-2007, 05:57 AM
True 4.0-4.5, my highschool coach rated me and he's been playing and coaching tennis most of his life so i'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

I just started entering USTA tournaments in eastern section southern region Level 2 tournaments. My first tournament, i got up to the QF without that much effort and got owned by the first seed. I just need to improve my mental game and then improve to a 5.0 and i think i'll be ready for Level 1 tournaments. I also have another tournament next week and i'm hoping to get to the finals.

At 15-16 years old, a 4.5 level player should be winning almost every match they play, and be winning tournaments regularly. It's one thing to be "rated" as a 4.0 or 4.5 (I have tennis lessons once a week with a former USTA rater, and he said that my strokes are 4.5 level, but I have trouble winning 4.0 matches regularly) and another thing to play at that level during a match, when there is pressure to make the shot.

goober
08-22-2007, 06:26 AM
I dont see how getting to a 4.0 in a year is so difficult... the guys i play with got to 4.0 or pretty damn close to it without any formal lessons in a year and i got to 3.5 in 6 months with some lessons. And i thought 5.0 of div iii tennis not div ii or low div i

3.5 in 6 months is possible. Have you tested yourself in real situations such as a tournament? Or do you just play with guys who say they are a certain level and make your rating based on that?

There is a huge difference between having 4.0 level strokes and actually playing successfully in a match at the the 4.0 level. A ton of people go out and develop "4.0-4.5" looking strokes and can hang with people who claim that they are that level. But when they play in tournaments and USTA league matches they get domolished. I have seen this over and over with guys (mostly younger ones) who have been playing a relatively short time. I don't consider anybody's rating legit until they get a computer rating after a year of USTA play.

dima
08-22-2007, 10:04 AM
I think the standard would be 2 years for someone who plays at least 3 times a week and drills instead of just hitting.

whatsgood4u
08-22-2007, 10:07 AM
I was a 5.0 the first time I played tennis, is this unusual?

lolsmash
08-22-2007, 01:11 PM
NO its not unsual. I was a 6.0 the first time I played when I was 2 years old. I then moved to a 6.5 within the next 2 weeks. I then sufferred extreme wrist injuries and began at the 4.5 level with my opposite hand. With 2 lessons with a newly certified USPTA pro, I became a 5.5. I easily beat many of my self-rated 5.0 buddies.

DraGoNoFfiR3
08-22-2007, 02:51 PM
Getting to 3.5 in 6 months is actually very common. But improving from 3.5 to 4.0 is what separates the crowd. I'd say this leap takes well over a year or two. Getting to 4.5, maybe another year or two.

TennisFrk, getting to 4.5 in one year is very unlikely, and your coach is probably feeding you bull****, as many coaches do. But if you say so then post a vid of yourself playing TennisFrkJC.

NamRanger
08-22-2007, 05:07 PM
Most 4.0 guys have consistent depth, good spin, and good amount of pace on every shot. They have a consistent second serve (usually a kick) and a powerful first serve. I rate myself at a 4.0, I can take about maybe 2-3 games off of some top D1 College guys around my area (Baylor, Texas, etc.) but that's the MOST I get. That's when they're just messing around too.

soggyramen
08-22-2007, 05:29 PM
It's fairly easy trust me. I got to 4.0-4.5 in a year. But i did play A LOT.

Once you get to 4.0-4.5, it's much harder to improve

hey check this out...i got to 5.0 in eleven minutes...i just picked up the racquet and it did the rest lol

TennisFrkJC92
08-22-2007, 06:18 PM
hey check this out...i got to 5.0 in eleven minutes...i just picked up the racquet and it did the rest lol

HAHAHAHAHAH that's so funny i think i krapped my pants

dima
08-22-2007, 08:37 PM
Most 4.0 guys have consistent depth, good spin, and good amount of pace on every shot. They have a consistent second serve (usually a kick) and a powerful first serve. I rate myself at a 4.0, I can take about maybe 2-3 games off of some top D1 College guys around my area (Baylor, Texas, etc.) but that's the MOST I get. That's when they're just messing around too.


Right, and I can take a set off Nadal on clay.

Hot Sauce
08-22-2007, 08:52 PM
It's been 6 months, 8 days, 12 hours since I've been a 1.0.
I miss it so much and I don't know what to say..

soggyramen
08-22-2007, 09:05 PM
HAHAHAHAHAH that's so funny i think i krapped my pants

i guess you need to control your bowels then

bizzle
08-22-2007, 09:15 PM
if it takes over a week just quit, im at 6.5 right now, took me about a year.

BreakPoint
08-23-2007, 01:20 AM
I'm going to go ahead and say that there's no way that you are a 5.0 if you've only been playing for 4 years. 5.0 is strong Division II or weak Division I college level tennis - 95% of people who pick up a tennis racquet never get there, much less after only 4 years.
More like 99.5% of people never get to 5.0.

BreakPoint
08-23-2007, 01:25 AM
True 4.0-4.5, my highschool coach rated me and he's been playing and coaching tennis most of his life so i'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

Sorry, but I have to assume your high school coach has no idea what a true 4.0-4.5 is. Find some guys that have winning records at 4.5 league play and see how you do against them.

Around me, most of the teaching pros could not win a 4.5 match if their life depended on it. Most even lose at the 4.0 level.

BreakPoint
08-23-2007, 01:27 AM
I dont see how getting to a 4.0 in a year is so difficult... the guys i play with got to 4.0 or pretty damn close to it without any formal lessons in a year and i got to 3.5 in 6 months with some lessons. And i thought 5.0 of div iii tennis not div ii or low div i
How do the guys you play with know they are 4.0's? What was their USTA league record at 4.0?

BreakPoint
08-23-2007, 01:31 AM
Right, and I can take a set off Nadal on clay.
Oh yeah, well I beat Nadal 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 on slow red clay, got a drink, and then proceeded to beat Federer 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 on grass. ;) LOL

J011yroger
08-23-2007, 04:05 AM
True 4.0-4.5, my highschool coach rated me and he's been playing and coaching tennis most of his life so i'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about.

I just started entering USTA tournaments in eastern section southern region Level 2 tournaments. My first tournament, i got up to the QF without that much effort and got owned by the first seed. I just need to improve my mental game and then improve to a 5.0 and i think i'll be ready for Level 1 tournaments. I also have another tournament next week and i'm hoping to get to the finals.

Fraid not buddy, L2s on long island and metro (The tougher regions) are garbage, nevermind southern. If you are not going rounds in L1s you are not 4.0-4.5. Start putting up wins in the big tourneys in port washington and such.

If you really wanna know what level you are post your tennislink player record.

Or we can meet up and hit on a weekend.

J

SlapShot
08-23-2007, 05:54 AM
More like 99.5% of people never get to 5.0.

Yeah....it was simply wishful thinking, as I'm hoping to scratch and claw my way to 5.0 sometime in the next 5 years (I'm 4.0 right now).

BabblingPsychopath
08-23-2007, 06:49 AM
Oh yeah, well I beat Nadal 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 on slow red clay, got a drink, and then proceeded to beat Federer 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 on grass. ;) LOL

Don't brag about it until you can do this *without* the drink. ;)

BreakPoint
08-23-2007, 01:42 PM
Don't brag about it until you can do this *without* the drink. ;)
Did I mention that "drink" was a gallon of vodka and tonic? ;) LOL

J011yroger
08-23-2007, 06:00 PM
Yeah....it was simply wishful thinking, as I'm hoping to scratch and claw my way to 5.0 sometime in the next 5 years (I'm 4.0 right now).

Don't hope...plan.

Don't scratch and claw. . . Practice with calm intensity and focus. Have a purpose every time you practice.

If you get frustrated, if you stop getting better, if you get stale. Don't try to fight through it on your own. Get help, get coaching, see someone else if you already have a coach.

5.0 isn't the promised land, so make sure you enjoy the journey.

Don't listen to anyone who says you can't or you are too old, or any of that horse****.

J

SlapShot
08-24-2007, 05:57 AM
Don't hope...plan.

Don't scratch and claw. . . Practice with calm intensity and focus. Have a purpose every time you practice.

If you get frustrated, if you stop getting better, if you get stale. Don't try to fight through it on your own. Get help, get coaching, see someone else if you already have a coach.

5.0 isn't the promised land, so make sure you enjoy the journey.

Don't listen to anyone who says you can't or you are too old, or any of that horse****.

J

I'm actually changing coaches over the winter and am going to start doing group drills to practice strategy. I feel like I've hit the wall with my current coach, and I want to work with someone who's going to really help me hammer out the little things in my form that are hurting my strokes.

Luckily, I'm still young enough that 5.0 should be attainable (I'm 24 right now) and being that this is my first year back to tennis since high school, I'm still smoothing out the little things. 5.0 by the time I'm 30 is the goal.

raiden031
08-24-2007, 06:20 AM
I dont see how getting to a 4.0 in a year is so difficult... the guys i play with got to 4.0 or pretty damn close to it without any formal lessons in a year and i got to 3.5 in 6 months with some lessons. And i thought 5.0 of div iii tennis not div ii or low div i

Have you ever played USTA NTRP tournaments or leagues? I will tell you from my experience that most of the people I play against at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels have been playing at least 10 years.

I will sometimes look up an opponent and look at their rating level over the past 5 or 6 years and see how its changed. Most of them play 3.0 for about 3-5 years before even moving to 3.5. Not to say that getting to 4.0 can't be done in a year, but my guess is that you have to practice perfectly and at least 10-20 hours every week; meaning you have to have solid technique and you have to practice all your shots to make it to that level quickly. But another important aspect is match experience. Just getting enough matches under your belt takes a long time as well.

I must say that I have watched 4.5 USTA league players and was not impressed at all by the way their game looks. Maybe its because I can hit all the shots and all the spins and the pace they hit, however I can't do it consistently and I can't handle junk balls the way they can. If it wasn't for junkballers at the 3.X levels who have had 20 years to master the art of junk, I'd probably be a 4.0 right now.

So in my case, I'm probably a 3.5 due to solid technique (many compliments from better players), but would be better if I had more match experience.

raiden031
08-24-2007, 06:23 AM
Luckily, I'm still young enough that 5.0 should be attainable (I'm 24 right now) and being that this is my first year back to tennis since high school, I'm still smoothing out the little things. 5.0 by the time I'm 30 is the goal.

Good luck to you.

I am 26 and am hovering around the lower echelons of 3.5 right now. My goal is to reach 5.0 by the age of 35 so I can play competitively in some 35 and over tournaments. I know I can do it because I play with advanced technique and work on all my shots. I just need more repetition and match experience.

I have been laughed at by some tennis peers for telling them I have this goal. Its a shame when people doubt you because they don't know how to get to the level, so they think I can't get there.

SlapShot
08-24-2007, 06:41 AM
I have been laughed at by some tennis peers for telling them I have this goal. Its a shame when people doubt you because they don't know how to get to the level, so they think I can't get there.

I think that's probably due to a couple of things.

First, most people are content to play tennis at their level, and probably wouldn't mind improving, but it's not #1 on their list of tennis goals. Second, a lot of people think that 5.0+ tennis is a different world than 3.5. From having hit with a few 5.0 players, they're definitely better players than any 3.5 or 4.0, but it's still the same sport and the goals are still the same - keep the ball in play, make it so that the other guy can't get the ball back.

smoothtennis
08-24-2007, 06:51 AM
I think that's probably due to a couple of things.

First, most people are content to play tennis at their level, and probably wouldn't mind improving, but it's not #1 on their list of tennis goals. Second, a lot of people think that 5.0+ tennis is a different world than 3.5. From having hit with a few 5.0 players, they're definitely better players than any 3.5 or 4.0, but it's still the same sport and the goals are still the same - keep the ball in play, make it so that the other guy can't get the ball back.

My personal hunch is that many people over age 30 just don't want to deal with having to move fast, and don't want to have to return 100+ mph serves.

NamRanger
08-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Right, and I can take a set off Nadal on clay.


I get games off them when they're sleeping on the courts most of the time. If they are anywhere near awake, they pretty much demolish me. I've been bageled many a time from the guys on the Baylor tennis team. I said I get 2-3 games at most, which means me playing at my best and them deciding to play with their eyes closed.

jasoncho92
08-26-2007, 12:28 AM
Have you ever played USTA NTRP tournaments or leagues? I will tell you from my experience that most of the people I play against at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels have been playing at least 10 years.

I will sometimes look up an opponent and look at their rating level over the past 5 or 6 years and see how its changed. Most of them play 3.0 for about 3-5 years before even moving to 3.5. Not to say that getting to 4.0 can't be done in a year, but my guess is that you have to practice perfectly and at least 10-20 hours every week; meaning you have to have solid technique and you have to practice all your shots to make it to that level quickly. But another important aspect is match experience. Just getting enough matches under your belt takes a long time as well.

I must say that I have watched 4.5 USTA league players and was not impressed at all by the way their game looks. Maybe its because I can hit all the shots and all the spins and the pace they hit, however I can't do it consistently and I can't handle junk balls the way they can. If it wasn't for junkballers at the 3.X levels who have had 20 years to master the art of junk, I'd probably be a 4.0 right now.

So in my case, I'm probably a 3.5 due to solid technique (many compliments from better players), but would be better if I had more match experience.
Umm this is a vid of me. http://youtube.com/watch?v=z7lWvR6LDvk
I got told im around a 3.5 and i play around or over 10 hours a week currently

J011yroger
08-26-2007, 04:48 AM
Umm this is a vid of me. http://youtube.com/watch?v=z7lWvR6LDvk
I got told im around a 3.5 and i play around or over 10 hours a week currently

Pretty nice man, keep up the good work.

How old are you?

J

kimizz
08-26-2007, 06:50 AM
It depends on so many variables: however, the most important is how you learn or are being taught the game. If you are learning inferior methods that are easier to "get the ball over the net" but, are not that which skilled players use, you may NEVER get to a 4.0 level. (As so many millions of players who are still at the 3.0 and 3.5 levels even as they have been playing for decades!).

I have had many players reach 4.0 within two years of learning how to play. If you really study the game and employ the right practice procedures you could become a 4.0 HITTING player in less than two years. However, to be competitive at the 4.0 level might take a little longer as the experience factor can't be rushed too much for anyone.

Good luck!

Id say all of this applies to me. Im 2 months from reaching the 2 year milestone and I think im close to 4.0 as a hitting player. But its obvious Im behind the more experienced players in the actual game situations. So Id suggest that as soon as your game is reliable enough to enter tournaments, DO IT. Ive just noticed how different it is to play in tournaments.

dacrymn
08-26-2007, 08:12 AM
Jason Cho, that's pretty good. HOWEVER, NTRP is based solely on matches and the ability to win them. When I started playing seriously, I could do that. Easily. But guess what? When I play people around or above my level, I can't win. My strokes are probably better than theirs, but the results don't show. So if I posted a video of me playing, the MOST i would get would be 4.0 and MAYBE 4.5 to some less experienced posters. If I was actually 5.0, the video couldn't prove it, and I would get offended, and then YAY! an argument!

NTRP is also an indirect result of experience. That kind of thing doesn't come to you in a year. No matter what you say. Not you, cho, but some of the other people using this thread to brag about themselves.