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ilovecarlos
08-20-2007, 07:49 AM
Carlos started the year ranked in the 40's....As of today, that ranking is #17
He's played so well this year and I'm hoping for great things at the UO this year...Join me with the praise Carlos lovers;)

superman1
08-20-2007, 08:21 AM
One of the best forehands on tour. If he had a decent backhand that he didn't have to constantly run around, he's be top 10.

A lot of people dismiss Moya, but when I first got into tennis, he was a badass top player who, if one of my favorite players had to play him, I'd gulp. Even Federer seemed to look nervous playing against him. On any given day, he can still reach that level.

Breaker
08-20-2007, 08:23 AM
Woo Carlos you're my homeboi!!!
Umm I can explain...Good luck to Carlos at the US Open, hopefully he can make the quarters with a draw that favours him, being in Davydenko's quarter would certainly help. In Cincy in his match against Hewitt sat in the first row right behind the baseline and got to see him up close, excellent forehand and his backhand has certainly improved in the last few years. Also he seems to have implemented more of an all court game which will certainly help keep him on tour for another few years ;)

federerfanatic
08-20-2007, 08:39 AM
Even Federer seemed to look nervous playing against him.

:lol: :lol: Thanks for the good morning laugh. Federer is 7-0 vs Moya, has lost only 3 sets in the 19 they have played, and even won their first ever meeting in 1999 at only age 17, when Moya was ranked #5 and Federer #71, the year Moya would reach #1 for the only time ever and that Federer would not once that year reach the top 50. I have watched many of their matches and can ensure you Moya was never a player Federer was nervous about facing.

Anyway since this is supposed to be a Moya appreciation thread, I will veer of addressing the statement of insanity and back to Moya. I honestly thought there was not way he would come back at this point with the kind of year he is having. I did think he would continue to play for a few more years, before the year started, but thought it would definitely not get better from there, it would either be staying the same or declining until his retirement. A quarterfinal at the French Open, a Masters semi in Hamburg, another Masters quarter in Hamburg, 1 title and 3 finals, and a top 20 ranking again. Yep he is having himself a nice little resurgence this year so good for him.

phoony
08-20-2007, 08:44 AM
Identical twin to Nadal. Same style and technique of play.

anointedone
08-20-2007, 08:45 AM
Identical twin to Nadal. Same style and technique of play.

I dont find Moya and Nadal too similar in playing style to be honest. The only major similarity is both are baseliners, but then so is almost everyone these days.

tennis_hand
08-20-2007, 08:48 AM
Moya doesn't jump when he serves, but he still got a lot of power.

phoony
08-20-2007, 09:18 AM
I dont find Moya and Nadal too similar in playing style to be honest. The only major similarity is both are baseliners, but then so is almost everyone these days.

Mostly all spaniards all good in baseliners and topspin. Clay are their FAV.

daddy
08-20-2007, 10:08 AM
I dont find Moya and Nadal too similar in playing style to be honest. The only major similarity is both are baseliners, but then so is almost everyone these days.



When nadal was 15 or 16 he was training with Moy, they are from the same city, same island and he learned form moya at the time. There may be some similarities but as moya himself said - he learned form me and just improved every aspect of my game so hes better compared to me in each and every shot.

diegaa
08-20-2007, 04:54 PM
nadal and moya have nothing in common except they are both from mallorca.

edmondsm
08-20-2007, 04:59 PM
I couldn't believe it when P McEnroe said that he would take Blake's FH over Moya's on a fast hard court. I know he is the Davis Cup captain and all but c'mon. Carlos Moya the FO champ, and Aussie finalist who was #1 in the world when Blake was playing college ball and has been further than Blake in every slam. Please, does anybody think this is as ridiculous as it is to me?

Dilettante
08-20-2007, 05:01 PM
Back in the day, Moya's forehand won a lot of matches. Such a big weapon. I think many people don't remember how big was his forehand.

Moya and Nadal's games have very, very little in common. Nadal is much more than Moya was even in his best times. Moya's much more stylish, tough.

jmverdugo
08-20-2007, 05:02 PM
I hope Moya can make it as far enough to earn points that will put him in the top 10 it would be really entertaining to watch for sure.

Dilettante
08-20-2007, 05:05 PM
I hope Moya can make it as far enough to earn points that will put him in the top 10 it would be really entertaining to watch for sure.

Well, I have to say he was and is one of my favourite players to watch. Love his style, specially during his prime.

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
08-20-2007, 07:37 PM
Just for the thread title, and without having read any other comments except the intro by ilovecarlos...I have always liked to watch Moya play. Though some might have more talent and raw strength or charisma, he has enough of all 3 plus (one of the biggest admiration points for me) he is rarely an *** about anything, if ever, and he plays with a free spirit, whether win or lose, he is totally likeable unless one is a fan of aggressive mouth, tennis, attitude and behavior.

No, he hasn't made the greatest name, and I don't think I've ever seen a thread titled "Moya is the G.O.A.T.?" but he is a great player in my opinion just for who he is and what he has done, and as we've seen the last weeks, what he is continuing to do. No matter what he hasn't achieved, I think he will always be remembered by ilovecarlos (LOL) but also as a great sportsmanship of tennis.

jmsx521
08-20-2007, 08:12 PM
Great smooth-playing claycourter. One of the smoothest shots for a clay-court-specialists, who normally have rough shots. For a clay-court-specialist, it doesn't get smoother than Moya! He is the opposite of a Bruguera for a clay-court-specialist. Speaking of Moya, I also like the smooth Mayan chocolate ice cream from Häagen-Dazs quite a bit! Maybe Carlos can get his own flavor, The Moyan Ice Cream... but for sure he'll have to do a lot of work before reaching the phenomenal master-taste-level of the Mayan!

I also liked his match-ups with Berasategui too; refer to my signature below.

tennispro11
08-20-2007, 08:21 PM
Yo, I wouldn't consider Moya to be a clay-courter. He has had success on every surface they play on, on the tour. He is a great player. I think it speaks volumes how well he has done this year. He seems to have a slump and then come back like a ton of bricks. Very fun to watch and this thread for him was well deserved. :)

jmsx521
08-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Well, Nadal can play well on all surfaces too, but he is considered a clay-courter, isn't he? And that's how I see Moya as well.

daddy
08-20-2007, 09:16 PM
nadal and moya have nothing in common except they are both from mallorca.

And they trained for 3 year together and yo would say they have nothign in commen ? Okay , I disagree but you are entitled to opinion. Just look at the age, looking at 32 year moya and 20 year old nadal they do look a whole lot different but atthe time Moya was more like nadal. ALso look at the facts, both play such a clay court game which allows pretty good results on hard meaning they are adjustable, gues who learned from whom ?

Cmon, even hairstyle ? ;)

Dilettante
08-20-2007, 11:05 PM
And they trained for 3 year together and yo would say they have nothign in commen ? Okay , I disagree but you are entitled to opinion. Just look at the age, looking at 32 year moya and 20 year old nadal they do look a whole lot different but atthe time Moya was more like nadal. ALso look at the facts, both play such a clay court game which allows pretty good results on hard meaning they are adjustable, gues who learned from whom ?

Cmon, even hairstyle ? ;)

There are just many crucial differences:

-Moya is just smoother. His motion and shots are much more of the "classic" kind than Nadal's. Essentially different techniques. Moya for example looks also more "natural" at the net and have smoother hands. Spaniards don't use to come to the net, but some of them look good when they do (Moya, Ferrero, Robredo, Lopez, etc). Nadal sure can volley but he doesn't look as natural, not only because his shots but because his way of approaching too.

-Moya's backhand has always been a liability. We all have seen him running around his FH, because he just doesn't trust his own BH. On the other side, Nadal's BH is much stronger and becomes a weapon many times. Nadal makes BH shots that are just unseen in Moya's repertoire. In his prime, Moya had a huge FH, but the contrast with his BH was kind of shocking. Nadal is more balanced, can make a weapon of his FH and of his BH.

-Moya's serve was just and plain bigger and better than Nadal's. Moya is a less defensive player, he -at least in his prime- could set up points better than Nadal usually does.

-Their mental game couldn't be more different. Nadal never gives up. Moya is not that kind of player. He has always prone to lose concentration -and even give up the fight- during matches. Moya is more an "inspiration" kind of player: when he's on, he plays big game out of nothing. When he's off, he could lose to anyone.

-Their on court attitude is plain opposite: Moya is a gentleman, always cool. Nadal is a nice guy but he has that "aggresive" attitude, with the fist pumps, jumping, staring and yelling.

These are just some of the main differences. Ok, they are both from Mallorca. They trained together, Moya was a mentor for Nadal and they're close friends. Moya is lefty and plays righty, Nadal is righty and plays lefty. But they are two different kinds of player.

There is a great similarity: Nadal's inside-out forehand is very, very resembling to Moya's. And that was one of Moya's trademark shots. Maybe Moya helped Nadal to improve this shot? Don't know, but I think yes. For sure that shot is something they have in common.

But, the rest... when Nadal appeared I thought he was to be a improved Moya, but through time I've realized how essentially different they really are. You can't even compare.

Alexandros
08-20-2007, 11:21 PM
I couldn't believe it when P McEnroe said that he would take Blake's FH over Moya's on a fast hard court. I know he is the Davis Cup captain and all but c'mon. Carlos Moya the FO champ, and Aussie finalist who was #1 in the world when Blake was playing college ball and has been further than Blake in every slam. Please, does anybody think this is as ridiculous as it is to me?

I don't find it that ridiculous. On a fast, fairly low bouncing hard court Blake's ability to take the ball early and his short wind up and explosive forehand fairs better than Moya's long wind up. Also, part of what makes Moya's forehand so deadly is his superb inside out shot - on a fast hard court we'd be seeing less of that due to the speed of the court and Moya's own court speed.

diegaa
08-21-2007, 10:02 AM
the fact is that moya was way a better player than blake in both peaks. we actually CAN discuss who's fh is better. i would take moya's.

ilovecarlos
08-21-2007, 03:15 PM
the fact is that moya was way a better player than blake in both peaks. we actually CAN discuss who's fh is better. i would take moya's.



Moya's forehand is a thing of beauty...also when his serve is on...it's a serious weapon...and he makes it look so effortless:confused: ...Agree so much with my friend Journey, he is such a gentleman...well liked by everyone on the tour...

xtremerunnerars
08-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Seemed like a really nice guy, and he can still certainly play. Front row seats to watch him dismantle novak, it was awe-inspiring. Novak threw everything at him and it didn't matter! Winner after winner.

pictures I took during that match (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11361360@N04/sets/72157601594445295/)

ilovecarlos
08-21-2007, 03:41 PM
Seemed like a really nice guy, and he can still certainly play. Front row seats to watch him dismantle novak, it was awe-inspiring. Novak threw everything at him and it didn't matter! Winner after winner.

pictures I took during that match (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11361360@N04/sets/72157601594445295/)



Front row seats? Gulp...drool....lucky you!! Thanks so much for the link to the photos...great shots...very much appreciated:D

xtremerunnerars
08-21-2007, 04:01 PM
I have larger versions of the photos if you want them...shoot me an email and I'll send them to you.

my username@gmail.com

NamRanger
08-21-2007, 04:32 PM
I don't find it that ridiculous. On a fast, fairly low bouncing hard court Blake's ability to take the ball early and his short wind up and explosive forehand fairs better than Moya's long wind up. Also, part of what makes Moya's forehand so deadly is his superb inside out shot - on a fast hard court we'd be seeing less of that due to the speed of the court and Moya's own court speed.


You obviously did not see Moya get to the final of the Australian Open Final and win the French Open. Moya en route to his AO final DESTROYED people with his forehand. It was so fast and so heavy, they couldn't even touch it. Also because of the heavy spin, he could place it anywhere. Blake does not have the placement of Moya's forehand.



At the French Open, he was able to move people around so well because of his ability to rip forehands with heavy spin. It's possibly one of the heaviest shots in the game of tennis barring Nadal's lefty forehand.

AM28143
08-21-2007, 08:43 PM
My cousin meet Moya and talk to him a little bit a couple of years back and told me that Moya, unlike many other professional athletes he has encountered, comes off as a real nice guy.

xtremerunnerars
08-21-2007, 09:31 PM
He didn't want to take a picture with me -_-. I was walking towards the grandstand court and nobody was with carlos, just walking towards the steps where the players can go up, and I said "Carlos! Carlos! Moya!" He didn't even look at me...:-/

I guess he didn't want people to make a big scene and clue people in as to who he was, but that doesn't mean I wasn't a little disappointed.

tennispro11
08-21-2007, 09:47 PM
He didn't want to take a picture with me -_-. I was walking towards the grandstand court and nobody was with carlos, just walking towards the steps where the players can go up, and I said "Carlos! Carlos! Moya!" He didn't even look at me...:-/

I guess he didn't want people to make a big scene and clue people in as to who he was, but that doesn't mean I wasn't a little disappointed.

Was he getting ready to play or just practice?

Hot Sauce
08-21-2007, 09:54 PM
Sorry, I don't like Moya.

xtremerunnerars
08-22-2007, 06:21 AM
Was he getting ready to play or just practice?

I'm pretty sure that at that point he was done for the day.

ilovecarlos
08-22-2007, 05:23 PM
I have larger versions of the photos if you want them...shoot me an email and I'll send them to you.

my username@gmail.com



Thanks very much...blows kisses to X!!!!!!!!!;)

crazylevity
08-23-2007, 12:54 AM
Moya and Nadal have ONE CRUCIAL similarity.

They play with their respective non-dominant hands.

Coincidence?

Peter Szucs
08-23-2007, 01:12 AM
I like Moya and have seen him training from the side of the court. I do think that his backhand is very much underrated even by himself. He is running around the backhand too many times. thats OK on clay but not on faster courts.. see the Hewitt match

edmondsm
08-23-2007, 02:36 AM
I don't find it that ridiculous. On a fast, fairly low bouncing hard court Blake's ability to take the ball early and his short wind up and explosive forehand fairs better than Moya's long wind up. Also, part of what makes Moya's forehand so deadly is his superb inside out shot - on a fast hard court we'd be seeing less of that due to the speed of the court and Moya's own court speed.

Blake's forehand, while at times devastating on a fast hardcourt, can go away and cause so many errors that you'd think you were watching Anna Kounikova. It's just that if I was going to have to pick a forehand on any given day, on any given surface, I would just have to pick Moya.

Dilettante
08-23-2007, 03:11 AM
At both players' peak, Moya's forehand is just way better than Blake's. Way better.

ilovecarlos
08-23-2007, 07:33 AM
At both players' peak, Moya's forehand is just way better than Blake's. Way better.



Very true my friend, very true...looks like he has a pretty good draw at the Open this year...think he'll go pretty deep into the tourney...at least I hope so...he doesn't have many points to defend, unlike other players (rodDICK...blech) and I believe that he will be back in the top 15!!!
Vamos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!