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Nadal_Freak
08-21-2007, 06:48 PM
I went back to see some great points on clay. Nothing like that so far on the hard courts. The speed is much quicker on hard courts which prevents these high quality points. Looking forward to 08 clay season. Hard courts are boring.

Mad iX
08-21-2007, 06:52 PM
Hardcourt just means a different kind of high quality points being played.
Of course, seeing your name, I'm not wondering why your opinion is what it is.

aramis
08-21-2007, 06:58 PM
You realize that nowadays clay court tennis is essentially the same as hard court tennis as well as grass court tennis, once the point gets started? There's no variety. Only difference between surfaces is the effectiveness of the serve. That's why your man Nadal can't dominate on these hard courts.

Nadal_Freak
08-21-2007, 07:01 PM
Hard court=Take the ball early and aces. Rarely a long point unless 2 clay courters against each other.
Clay Court Tennis= Work the point. Rallys are much longer and usually ended on an error. Players are usually farther behind the baseline.

stoffer
08-21-2007, 07:12 PM
Clay tennis sucks. What I miss is Edberg and Rafter tennis.

Indrid Cold
08-21-2007, 07:18 PM
I like watching federer and nadal on clay much more. It seems like they both hit better shots because they're forced to in order to win points. Other players don't interest me near as much on clay, where as on hard courts I can watch most matches.

tennispro11
08-21-2007, 07:18 PM
Clay court season is boring. Lots of guys who you won't hear about the rest of the year win during the clay season. Why is that? Oh, I know it is because they are good on only one surface. This is the hardcourt season! Get over it, Freak. :p

J-man
08-21-2007, 07:20 PM
I went back to see some great points on clay. Nothing like that so far on the hard courts. The speed is much quicker on hard courts which prevents these high quality points. Looking forward to 08 clay season. Hard courts are boring.No I don't particulary miss the clay court season

KBalla08
08-21-2007, 07:53 PM
theres no way i miss clay.... i miss the old school grass tennis.... when it was actually fast

soggyramen
08-21-2007, 07:55 PM
if nadal and federer weren't playing then i would love the clay court season otherwise i don't like it cuz they dominate

bluescreen
08-21-2007, 08:18 PM
i agree with everyone that misses old school grass s/v. i find two guys exchanging ground strokes for 5 minutes more boring than agressive volleying that results in quick, but action packed points.

Alexandros
08-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Hard court=Take the ball early and aces. Rarely a long point unless 2 clay courters against each other.
Clay Court Tennis= Work the point. Rallys are much longer and usually ended on an error. Players are usually farther behind the baseline.

I'd prefer to watch rallies end in winners than errors. I think most people would agree - isn't the very definition of a "good" match versus a "bad" match based on the quality of play resulting from the amount of winners versus unforced errors?

tennispro11
08-21-2007, 08:46 PM
I'd prefer to watch rallies end in winners than errors. I think most people would agree - isn't the very definition of a "good" match versus a "bad" match based on the quality of play resulting from the amount of winners versus unforced errors?

Yes! Well said! Completely agree with you.

Hot Sauce
08-21-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm just glad clay court season is over. Hard courts and grass are my favourites!

Dan007
08-21-2007, 08:59 PM
I really don't care. I like all hard, clay, grass, and indoors

koopa_troopa
08-21-2007, 09:28 PM
I don't really miss it because I always seem to be asleep when most of the clay matches are on. I really wished they started later in the day.

Alafter
08-21-2007, 09:43 PM
It's your name that makes your post seems trollish. I definitely needed to take that into consideration.

psamp14
08-21-2007, 10:16 PM
theres no way i miss clay.... i miss the old school grass tennis.... when it was actually fast

i second kballa08.....

OrangeOne
08-21-2007, 10:57 PM
Clay Court Tennis= Work the point. Rallys are much longer and usually ended on an error. Players are usually farther behind the baseline.

You like seeing errors end points? Well, good for you. Me, I'll take winners any day!

Honestly, to think that you and your troll-mob all go around and say "fed is boring", and I never understood. Now I understand that you don't like winners, it all makes sense....

Oh - and for the record, I agree with those who miss the classic grasscourters. Rafter and Edberg indeed....

Nadal_Freak
08-21-2007, 11:36 PM
You like seeing errors end points? Well, good for you. Me, I'll take winners any day!

Honestly, to think that you and your troll-mob all go around and say "fed is boring", and I never understood. Now I understand that you don't like winners, it all makes sense....

Oh - and for the record, I agree with those who miss the classic grasscourters. Rafter and Edberg indeed....
I like rallys. If they end in winners than good. Short points don't interest me whether they are winners or errors. Miami and Indian Wells are decent hard courts but other than that they play too fast which make it less exciting.

edmondsm
08-22-2007, 12:51 AM
Clay is great. Yes I do miss it, because on clay the Fed/Nadal rivalry is actually relevent, where on hard courts we are once again disappointed. I don't quite understand why. Over the last 3 years Nadal has had plenty of hard court success and obviously Fed is the man on hard courts. Yet, it feels like they meet sparingly on that surface, but every year we watch them play multiple times on clay. What's the deal?

Duzza
08-22-2007, 01:06 AM
Anyone else Miss Clay Season?

No...how did you win? I'm not very good in swimsuits so I didn't enter.

ninman
08-22-2007, 01:53 AM
Interestingly if you watch Federer playing Sampras in Wimbledon 2001 they both serve and vollyed first and second serve. Now of course Federer plays mostly from the baseline, you know why? Because those idiots that run wimbledon thought it was too "boring" to watch people playing Grass court tennis the way it's meant to be played, they wanted to give the clay courters a chance.

What I can't understand is, why can't they speed up the clay to give the hard courters a chance at the FO?

Vision84
08-22-2007, 02:00 AM
Clay tennis is my least favorite surface to watch. I like seeing players taking the ball early and looking to get into the net and finishing the point instead of just seeing them stand 10 feet behind the baseline and just bash the ball back and forth waiting for their opponent to commit an error.

ninman
08-22-2007, 02:10 AM
Clay tennis is my least favorite surface to watch. I like seeing players taking the ball early and looking to get into the net and finishing the point instead of just seeing them stand 10 feet behind the baseline and just bash the ball back and forth waiting for their opponent to commit an error.

Exactly, it's like the difference between watching a clean graceful sword battle between two master swordsman, and two apes beating each other continuously with clubs. The problem for Federer is that he is the swordsman and when he plays on clay he's given a club and has both hands tied behind his back and has to use his feet to try and beat the ape Nadal.

daddy
08-22-2007, 02:45 AM
You realize that nowadays clay court tennis is essentially the same as hard court tennis as well as grass court tennis, once the point gets started? There's no variety. Only difference between surfaces is the effectiveness of the serve. That's why your man Nadal can't dominate on these hard courts.

I disagree. Big big difference is top spin, which catches on the clay courst so much that the ball jumps over 2 metatrs in height allowing people like nadal to topspin and gt the players off court or from side to side. On the other hand sopme of fast courts dont have such a bounce so that means that nadal can not be effective at what he does best, but he also can not hit the ball as hard as on clay because his grip and style are suited to high bouncing balls and when he gets a low bounce he has less time to prepare the feet ansd is not perfectly positioned nor well suited to make the shot.

vive le beau jeu !
08-22-2007, 02:46 AM
You like seeing errors end points? Well, good for you. Me, I'll take winners any day!

Honestly, to think that you and your troll-mob all go around and say "fed is boring", and I never understood. Now I understand that you don't like winners, it all makes sense....

Oh - and for the record, I agree with those who miss the classic grasscourters. Rafter and Edberg indeed....
same here... i find definitely more pleasant to see points ended by a winner, it's more exciting ! :)
about S&V, nowadays it's already too rare on non-clay surfaces but it's worse on clay... and if i have to watch rallies, i prefer (by far) when the players take the ball early as they frequently do on hardcourt, than when stay stand far behind the baseline using heavy topsin as they frequently do on clay. :rolleyes:

daddy
08-22-2007, 02:47 AM
I'd prefer to watch rallies end in winners than errors. I think most people would agree - isn't the very definition of a "good" match versus a "bad" match based on the quality of play resulting from the amount of winners versus unforced errors?

Over the last few posts I find your comments right on the spot. It does not matter to me if a really is 3 shots or 33 shots, if it ends witha 100 mile forehand down the line I'm a happy guy !

daddy
08-22-2007, 02:50 AM
I like rallys. If they end in winners than good. Short points don't interest me whether they are winners or errors. Miami and Indian Wells are decent hard courts but other than that they play too fast which make it less exciting.

Bit why is Wimbledon so prestigue tournament when points ( used to ) end in a second ? Why is it the biggest of all etc, when its so boaring by your definition and why is that rafa wants it so badly ? He never said I want to win aussie open once in my life but stated his wish for wimby title at least 30 times, that Ive seen or heard him !

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:18 AM
Bit why is Wimbledon so prestigue tournament when points ( used to ) end in a second ? Why is it the biggest of all etc, when its so boaring by your definition and why is that rafa wants it so badly ? He never said I want to win aussie open once in my life but stated his wish for wimby title at least 30 times, that Ive seen or heard him !

Exactly, and Nadal will win Wimbledon, if they make it into a Clay court.

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 03:19 AM
Clay is my favourite and most entertaining surface to watch tennis and it has been like this for many years.
Some people canīt talk about tennis surfaces without mentioning Nadal, it seems he is under their skin.
I am always for the variety of surfaces but I donīt like serve contests so if half of the points are decided by the serve it makes me lose interest and I just go to my tv when the tie-break starts or there is some break point chance. On clay almost every point has to be played.
I disagree with people who say that clay is about not making errors and hardcourts is about making winners. You need a balance of both things on ANY surface, otherwise you will be a mediocre player no matter where you are playing.

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:24 AM
Clay is my favourite and most entertaining surface to watch tennis and it has been like this for many years.
Some people can´t talk about tennis surfaces without mentioning Nadal, it seems he is under their skin.
I am always for the variety of surfaces but I don´t like serve contests so if half of the points are decided by the serve it makes me lose interest and I just go to my tv when the tie-break starts or there is some break point chance. On clay almost every point has to be played.
I disagree with people who say that clay is about not making errors and hardcourts is about making winners. You need a balance of both things on ANY surface, otherwise you will be a mediocre player no matter where you are playing.

Yes and you're totally unbiased of course. Honestly you can't stand it if anyone says anything remotely bad about Nadal just because he's Spanish. You racist.

peleshot
08-22-2007, 03:33 AM
I don't miss clay season.. The thing I really miss are the fast grass courts.. =)

daddy
08-22-2007, 03:34 AM
Clay is my favourite and most entertaining surface to watch tennis and it has been like this for many years.
Some people canīt talk about tennis surfaces without mentioning Nadal, it seems he is under their skin.
I am always for the variety of surfaces but I donīt like serve contests so if half of the points are decided by the serve it makes me lose interest and I just go to my tv when the tie-break starts or there is some break point chance. On clay almost every point has to be played.
I disagree with people who say that clay is about not making errors and hardcourts is about making winners. You need a balance of both things on ANY surface, otherwise you will be a mediocre player no matter where you are playing.


But most of the points, if you are not watching nadal ( whi to be fair - hits alot of winners ) , are about endurance ? Right ? SO who makes the first mistake loses it. I agree points are nice sometimes, but I ust hate it when you hit an outright winner smack on the line and the surface slows the ball so much that faster player can reach it and get it back.

So to say, its a defensive surface, and hard and grass are attacking surfaces. I always prefer attack to defence and I think most people do and in most sports. nothing agains clay, but I only watch top claycourters and there are really only a few of them ..

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:36 AM
But most of the points, if you are not watching nadal ( whi to be fair - hits alot of winners ) , are about endurance ? Right ? SO who makes the first mistake loses it. I agree points are nice sometimes, but I ust hate it when you hit an outright winner smack on the line and the surface slows the ball so much that faster player can reach it and get it back.

So to say, its a defensive surface, and hard and grass are attacking surfaces. I always prefer attack to defence and I think most people do and in most sports. nothing agains clay, but I only watch top claycourters and there are really only a few of them ..

Zaragoza is Spanish, he doesn't listen to anyone who disagrees with him, or has a bad word to say about Nadal.

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:36 AM
I'm still waiting for the indoors """""season"""""
That's the most entertaining period of the year, after Wimbledon :D

daddy
08-22-2007, 03:40 AM
Zaragoza is Spanish, he doesn't listen to anyone who disagrees with him, or has a bad word to say about Nadal.

I know, I went to Saragosa as we say here. nie place. Anyways are you a bit too hard on him, you know how they are - emotional about everything ? And spanish people have like 35 tennis players out of which 36 are claycourt specialists, so its only normal he likes clay, like I like Djokovic cause hes from Belgrade as I am ..

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:42 AM
Yes and you're totally unbiased of course. Honestly you can't stand it if anyone says anything remotely bad about Nadal just because he's Spanish. You racist.
May I ask how is Zaragoza RACIST, please?

In case you don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', please, be welcome to look it up in a dictionary.

Gimme one racist comment from Zaragoza, please. Just one.

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:44 AM
I know, I went to Saragosa as we say here. nie place. Anyways are you a bit too hard on him, you know how they are - emotional about everything ? And spanish people have like 35 tennis players out of which 36 are claycourt specialists, so its only normal he likes clay, like I like Djokovic cause hes from Belgrade as I am ..

I like players because of the player, not their nationality. For example I am Scottish but I don't like Andy Murray. I think he's good at Tennis, but his attitude is terrible, and I'm also willing to have a reasonable argument with people about Federer (who is my favourite player) and his chances, and how much longer he'll keep playing tennis etc.

We don't all have to agree that's what makes discussions interesting. He just didn't like it that I thought Nadal will be burned up in a few years.

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:45 AM
May I ask how is Zaragoza RACIST, please?

In case you don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', please, be welcome to look it up in a dictionary.

Gimme one racist comment from Zaragoza, please. Just one.

He likes Nadal because he's Spanish, that is racist.

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:47 AM
He likes Nadal because he's Spanish, that is racist.
I am sorry, do you have ANY clue of the meaning of the word RACIST!!??

No, of course you don't. Please, as I said before, look it up. You may be surprised.

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:48 AM
But wait! I'm very fond with croatian people! I like Petrovic, Kukoc, Ivanisevic, Karlovic, Ljubicic, Ancic!

THAT MAKES ME A RACIST!!! :shock:

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:50 AM
If anything, Zaragoza may get called a 'nationalist'. He/she's a spaniard, and roots for spaniards. What's wrong with that?

He/she is a little biased sometimes, but never ever a racist.

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:50 AM
I am sorry, do you have ANY clue of the meaning of the word RACIST!!??

No, of course you don't. Please, as I said before, look it up. You may be surprised.

Racism doesn't have to be a negative thing as you seem to inferring. Supporting a player in an individual sport such as Tennis for the sole reason that they come from a certain country is completely different from supporting your national team.

It is racist, he is singling out Spanish players because they are Spanish. Lots of people do it, e.g. people supporting Federer because he is from Switzerland. It's still racist.

I guess you wouldn't call the statement "All Chinese people are good at maths" racist then?

Andres
08-22-2007, 03:53 AM
Being spaniard isn't a race. Caucasian is a race.
Racism IS a negative word. Racialism ISN'T.

ROOTING for anyone is never racist. HATING a player for being white/black/asian, THAT'S RACIST.

How can you be racist, if you actually LIKE someone?

You're either a kid, a really mentally challenged person, or an adult full of hate.
I prefer thinking you're a kid. At least, a kid can change.

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 03:55 AM
But most of the points, if you are not watching nadal ( whi to be fair - hits alot of winners ) , are about endurance ? Right ? SO who makes the first mistake loses it. I agree points are nice sometimes, but I ust hate it when you hit an outright winner smack on the line and the surface slows the ball so much that faster player can reach it and get it back.

So to say, its a defensive surface, and hard and grass are attacking surfaces. I always prefer attack to defence and I think most people do and in most sports. nothing agains clay, but I only watch top claycourters and there are really only a few of them ..

The ideal and neutral surface to play tennis simply doesnt exist. You say clay is about endurance, I could say hardcourts is about power and hit the ball as hard as possible and it doesn´t require a lot of talent for some players to play well on hardcourts.
You say you prefer attack over defense on any sport. Ok I don´t think you would enjoy a football match if goals can be scored from the opposite goal line all the time, that´s the feeling I have watching serve contests. I like point construction and clay is the surface that favours it. You can always complain about something on any surface and everyone has a preference, clay is my preference.

ninman
08-22-2007, 03:58 AM
Being spaniard isn't a race. Caucasian is a race.
Racism IS a negative word. Racialism ISN'T.

ROOTING for anyone is never racist. HATING a player for being white/black/asian, THAT'S RACIST.

How can you be racist, if you actually LIKE someone?

You're either a kid, a really mentally challenged person, or an adult full of hate.
I prefer thinking you're a kid. At least, a kid can change.

You know that in Britain if you make fun of someone because they are Scottish you can be taken to court for racial abuse?

I would classify racism as the singling out of an individual or individuals because of nationality or race. Whether you do that in a positive or negative way is irrelevant, it is racist and almost anyone who watches tennis is guilty of it. It is one of the reasons why I HATE watching Wimbledon in Britain, or indeed I HATE reading the British news about Tennis, because they are totally all for British players and completely ignore all the other players.

Whichever way you cut it, it is racist.

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 04:01 AM
May I ask how is Zaragoza RACIST, please?

In case you don't know the meaning of the word 'racist', please, be welcome to look it up in a dictionary.

Gimme one racist comment from Zaragoza, please. Just one.

LOL thanks Andres, donīt bother to reply him. Itīs easy to see what someone is made of just after reading a few posts.

Andres
08-22-2007, 04:02 AM
You know that in Britain if you make fun of someone because they are Scottish you can be taken to court for racial abuse?

I would classify racism as the singling out of an individual or individuals because of nationality or race. Whether you do that in a positive or negative way is irrelevant, it is racist and almost anyone who watches tennis is guilty of it. It is one of the reasons why I HATE watching Wimbledon in Britain, or indeed I HATE reading the British news about Tennis, because they are totally all for British players and completely ignore all the other players.

Whichever way you cut it, it is racist.
If you make fun of someone because they're scottish, that's xenophobia, not racism.

Nationality =/= Race

ninman
08-22-2007, 04:05 AM
If you make fun of someone because they're scottish, that's xenophobia, not racism.

Nationality =/= Race

I'm afraid that legally Nationality does equal Race, and I'll say it again, I do not believe in supporting an individual based on race, religion, nationality or anything. I support an individual because of the individual, and anyone who supports a player because of where they come from in my opinion is a racist.

vive le beau jeu !
08-22-2007, 04:08 AM
Clay tennis is my least favorite surface to watch. I like seeing players taking the ball early and looking to get into the net and finishing the point instead of just seeing them stand 10 feet behind the baseline and just bash the ball back and forth waiting for their opponent to commit an error.
http://orycterope.free.fr/doctor.JPG

;)

(yeah yeah i'm surfacist, maybe...)

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 04:21 AM
http://orycterope.free.fr/doctor.JPG

;)

(yeah yeah i'm surfacist, maybe...)

Have you always been a surfacist or just in the last 3 years? ;)

caulcano
08-22-2007, 04:32 AM
The ideal and neutral surface to play tennis simply doesnt exist. You say clay is about endurance, I could say hardcourts is about power and hit the ball as hard as possible and it doesnīt require a lot of talent for some players to play well on hardcourts.
You say you prefer attack over defense on any sport. Ok I donīt think you would enjoy a football match if goals can be scoared from the opposite goal line all the time, thatīs the feeling I have watching serve contests. I like point construction and clay is the surface that favours it. You can always complain about something on any surface and everyone has a preference, clay is my preference.

Point construction exists on all surfaces.

However on clay, you probably need to win the point at least twice because your opponent has a greater chance of retrieving your 'winner'.

Unfortunately, this leads to players taking more risks to make the 'winner' into a better 'winner' (closer to the lines/harder). This ultimately ends in more 'errors'.

daddy
08-22-2007, 04:51 AM
Racism doesn't have to be a negative thing as you seem to inferring. Supporting a player in an individual sport such as Tennis for the sole reason that they come from a certain country is completely different from supporting your national team.

It is racist, he is singling out Spanish players because they are Spanish. Lots of people do it, e.g. people supporting Federer because he is from Switzerland. It's still racist.

I guess you wouldn't call the statement "All Chinese people are good at maths" racist then?


Hey - you guys have to make a difference between race and nationality. We are mostly white in europe - same race. Different nationality though, he is spaniard, Im a serb, the other guy likes croats etc.

I dont think he is racist but nationalist in a good way, I think you was too hard on him. Poor guy loves nadal so hard and you gotta give him credit for that, he has to watch him lose all year long until clay comes, so he likes and misses clay, okay ?

daddy
08-22-2007, 04:55 AM
The ideal and neutral surface to play tennis simply doesnt exist. You say clay is about endurance, I could say hardcourts is about power and hit the ball as hard as possible and it doesnīt require a lot of talent for some players to play well on hardcourts.
You say you prefer attack over defense on any sport. Ok I donīt think you would enjoy a football match if goals can be scoared from the opposite goal line all the time, thatīs the feeling I have watching serve contests. I like point construction and clay is the surface that favours it. You can always complain about something on any surface and everyone has a preference, clay is my preference.


Yes and hard is mine. And I dont like Porto while Mourinho was in charge because they killed football - a beautifull game ! And I like to see people smash forehands and serves, fast aproach shots , flashy volleys and you can argue with preferences, but face it - for faster court you need to have better ALL ROUND play - serve is needed, volley is needed, aproach is needed, drop volleys and pickups, not to mention slice can be a dangerous shot etc.

Rafa is working on more things to improve his game for fast court play than roger is working to improve on clay - am I right now ?

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 05:27 AM
Point construction exists on all surfaces.

However on clay, you probably need to win the point at least twice because your opponent has a greater chance of retrieving your 'winner'.

Unfortunately, this leads to players taking more risks to make the 'winner' into a better 'winner' (closer to the lines/harder). This ultimately ends in more 'errors'.

It depends of the player. I donīt see point construction at all when Roddick, Karlovic, Isner...and similar players win points on serve. On clay there are no exceptions.

Zaragoza
08-22-2007, 05:47 AM
I dont think he is racist but nationalist in a good way, I think you was too hard on him. Poor guy loves nadal so hard and you gotta give him credit for that, he has to watch him lose all year long until clay comes, so he likes and misses clay, okay ?

Ok I think I need to reply to this because you seem to be a respectful poster:

1- Stop saying that I am a nationalist because I like Nadal. Are english who like Henman, americans who like Roddick...nationalists? Itīs not right to call someone nationalist because he likes some athlete from the same country. Iīm pretty indiferent about other spanish athletes and I donīt even like some of them. I like also some athletes from other countries.

2- Poor guy loves Nadal? I donīt know why you said things that way, not the best possible way to say things indeed. I like his personality on and off the court so I like him. I donīt make ridiculous comments praising him unlike some fans of other players. Itīs funny how on this board people who like Nadal are considered Nadal biased fans and people who like other players (no need to mention one) are considered respectable, neutral and real tennis fans even if they are disrespecting other players everytime they have the chance.
I watch him lose all year until clay season comes? lol that is short-sightened. I watch him win almost all the year, there is only one player in the world who wins more matches than him.

ninman
08-22-2007, 05:54 AM
Hey - you guys have to make a difference between race and nationality. We are mostly white in europe - same race. Different nationality though, he is spaniard, Im a serb, the other guy likes croats etc.

I dont think he is racist but nationalist in a good way, I think you was too hard on him. Poor guy loves nadal so hard and you gotta give him credit for that, he has to watch him lose all year long until clay comes, so he likes and misses clay, okay ?

To be honest I enjoy watching Federer Nadal matches on clay, I just feel that sometimes things keep going Nadal's way when they should be going Federer's way, e.g. 2 match points in Rome 06 and Federer makes two errors then 5-3 up in the tie-breaker and Nadal wins 4 points on the trot to take the match.

It's extremely frustrating to watch Federer getting so close, and yet so far, I just hope that next year more things go Federer's way. As for Federer improving on clay, the only shot he needs to improve is his backhand, other than that his clay game is fine.

plain jane
08-22-2007, 10:16 AM
Clay is also my favourite surface because of the point construction. I personally dont like to see these 6 foot 7 inches guys playing because alot of them (if not all) are very slow around the courts and they therefore rely on their serves to win points and that is boring tennis. However i can enjoy hard courts when better movers are playing. i just personally prefer longer rallies (also i like to see the guys sliding on clay to get to the net)

anointedone
08-22-2007, 10:26 AM
I enjoy watching play on a variety of surfaces. I wish there was some more grass court tournaments, and less hard court tournaments. I wish there was still rebound ace in Australia, and carpet tournaments like there used to be. I would like to see equal amount of tennis on all 5 of those surfaces. I guess I am dreaming now. The tour has become the vast majority hard courts, vast majority of whats left clay, and a teeny bit of grass.

I think that is part why there are so many injuries, fatigue, players pulling out of events, etc...Hard decoturf is by far the hardest surface on the body, but it is what players mostly play on now.

coloskier
08-22-2007, 10:30 AM
Oh for the good old days, when 3 of the 4 slams were on FAST grass courts.

tennispro11
08-22-2007, 02:25 PM
Racism doesn't have to be a negative thing as you seem to inferring. Supporting a player in an individual sport such as Tennis for the sole reason that they come from a certain country is completely different from supporting your national team.

It is racist, he is singling out Spanish players because they are Spanish. Lots of people do it, e.g. people supporting Federer because he is from Switzerland. It's still racist.

I guess you wouldn't call the statement "All Chinese people are good at maths" racist then?

You have to be the most ignorant person ever. You are just plain dumb. Calling a spaniard racist because he likes fellow Spanish players is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It might be something but certainly not racist. :confused:

plain jane
08-22-2007, 02:28 PM
You have to be the most ignorant person ever. You are just plain dumb. Calling a spaniard racist because he likes fellow Spanish players is like the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It might be something but certainly not racist. :confused:

He really is laughable. i hope he is no older than 10 or 11. If he is............:sad: that's sad

daddy
08-22-2007, 02:28 PM
Ok I think I need to reply to this because you seem to be a respectful poster:

1- Stop saying that I am a nationalist because I like Nadal. Are english who like Henman, americans who like Roddick...nationalists? Itīs not right to call someone nationalist because he likes some athlete from the same country. Iīm pretty indiferent about other spanish athletes and I donīt even like some of them. I like also some athletes from other countries.



Hey zaragoza my man, nationalist is not a bad thing, it means you like your nation ina positive way, like your culture people and way of life. Okay ? Racist, Facshist or something like that is bad, nationalist is good !

Okay ? You did not understand me well, I am a nationalist in a positive way, not hating ther nation but loving mine and cheering for Djokovic.

Okay ?

SuperPhong
08-22-2007, 02:31 PM
What you miss freak is nadal winning everything...

daddy
08-22-2007, 02:31 PM
Ok I think I need to reply to this because you seem to be a respectful poster:

2- Poor guy loves Nadal? I don´t know why you said things that way, not the best possible way to say things indeed...

One more time, ehwn you say - oh look at the poor thing - its like from the simpathy. It means you love him and he wins all tournaments for 3 months and then tries his best for the rest of the year. Again nothing insulting or bad towards you, just a comment with a bit of sting in it ! Just to keep you moving a bit, nothing mean from me to you. I love him also. I hope we straightened this out.

Though hes not the next nr1 ! ;)