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danielpreston
10-03-2007, 10:15 AM
I'm a foreign player and unknown to the US scene; CPOA are marketing me to various colleges for a scholarship. Should I wait for a response or should I be pro-active?

Is it better that I short-list a few colleges and approach tennis coaches personally?

Anyone been through the process and got some advice? Cheers:)

MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
10-03-2007, 10:19 AM
Being pro-active doesn't hurt at all. It would be better if you have a tape of some of your practice sessions, research schools of interest, and contact the head coach .

danielpreston
10-04-2007, 05:47 AM
Thanks AllAmerican!

Done the video stuff etc ... it's all here www.danpreston.co.uk

Is there anything else I should add to this web site?

Cheers:)

sureshs
10-04-2007, 08:28 AM
tennisrecruiting.net

Fedace
10-04-2007, 08:35 AM
I'm a foreign player and unknown to the US scene; CPOA are marketing me to various colleges for a scholarship. Should I wait for a response or should I be pro-active?

Is it better that I short-list a few colleges and approach tennis coaches personally?

Anyone been through the process and got some advice? Cheers:)

If you are very good junior in where you come from, the chances are the coaches will already know about you. but still, You should be more pro active and be more aggressive. Coaches like Juniors that are more proactive since that shows you have real interest in them and they like that.

danielpreston
10-04-2007, 09:10 AM
tennisrecruiting.net

Only serves US players. Already signed up ... paid the full whack, and couldn't even load my own videos on the site. Got a v.quick personal note thanking me for my money, but totally zilch reply with regard to replying to my question about at least uploading my videos.

Not a level playing field!

"Tennis Recruiting have now viewed this posting and made contact and sorted me out." - (week later comment)

tennis-n-sc
10-04-2007, 10:09 AM
You could write all the American colleges and universities and thank them for their open arms policy of recruiting non-Americans over the tax-paying citizens of the U.S. Most countries, if not all, do not reciprocate. And I don't mean this to sound meanspirited, but it is becoming an often talked of topic, expecially among state supported schools. Good luck to you.

sureshs
10-04-2007, 10:46 AM
You could write all the American colleges and universities and thank them for their open arms policy of recruiting non-Americans over the tax-paying citizens of the U.S. Most countries, if not all, do not reciprocate. And I don't mean this to sound meanspirited, but it is becoming an often talked of topic, expecially among state supported schools. Good luck to you.

They would say that they are being forced to send their young men to die in a foreign war as allied troops for a situation they did not create, and facing increased risk of backlash as the problem is closer to their home, and having some tennis players come over is really quite harmless compared to that.

tennis-n-sc
10-04-2007, 11:26 AM
They would say that they are being forced to send their young men to die in a foreign war as allied troops for a situation they did not create, and facing increased risk of backlash as the problem is closer to their home, and having some tennis players come over is really quite harmless compared to that.

What ever your country forces its citizens to do is between the citizens and the involved country. That has nothing to do with the post.

sureshs
10-04-2007, 11:51 AM
What ever your country forces its citizens to do is between the citizens and the involved country. That has nothing to do with the post.

It appears that way. But everything is connected. Politicians create global connections, then it affects the people. I talked to a guy last week whose son is a Div 1 tennis player. He was very bitter about how few positions were available to his son because of foreign players. Obviously I did not tell him what I posted here. Everyone sees things from their own angle, specially if you are a middle class dad trying to grapple with college tuition costs for your son. But at a high level, foreign players are recruited partly due to a strategy of creating pro-US attitudes worldwide. Down the line, it reaps big benefits. Many prominent foreign personalities have their children studying at Harvard and other places, even if they are totally unqualified. Later, when they become leaders, they adopt a friendly foreign policy. Ordinary folks are usually just pawns in these dealings.

danielpreston
10-04-2007, 12:13 PM
Wow ... it's getting rather heated roound here .... and yes a bit off at a tangent

sureshs
10-04-2007, 12:24 PM
Only serves US players. Already signed up ... paid the full whack, and couldn't even load my own videos on the site. Got a v.quick personal note thanking me for my money, but totally zilch reply with regard to replying to my question about at least uploading my videos.

Not a level playing field!

Little confused here. If it only serves US players, why did they take money from you? Didn't they tell you about their policy beforehand? Or do you mean they don't say so, but actually are geared only for US players?

tennis-n-sc
10-04-2007, 04:23 PM
It appears that way. But everything is connected. Politicians create global connections, then it affects the people. I talked to a guy last week whose son is a Div 1 tennis player. He was very bitter about how few positions were available to his son because of foreign players. Obviously I did not tell him what I posted here. Everyone sees things from their own angle, specially if you are a middle class dad trying to grapple with college tuition costs for your son. But at a high level, foreign players are recruited partly due to a strategy of creating pro-US attitudes worldwide. Down the line, it reaps big benefits. Many prominent foreign personalities have their children studying at Harvard and other places, even if they are totally unqualified. Later, when they become leaders, they adopt a friendly foreign policy. Ordinary folks are usually just pawns in these dealings.

I just can't agree with this. Foreign players are recruited to help the coach keep his job. It's to win matches. Getting beyond that is a real reach. At least the foreign parents sending unqualified kids to Harvard are having to pay through the nose, I hope. It is different for the state colleges and universities that are supported by the tax payers. I'm sure they feel they should be getting a little more for their dollar than some kid from Spain that has never paid anything toward the educational system. I am sure Spain doesn't welcome American kids to the Spanish universities displacing homies. But it is surely our fault for allowing such policeies to exist in first place. I certainly have no animosity toward the kids.

danielpreston
10-04-2007, 10:55 PM
I just can't agree with this. Foreign players are recruited to help the coach keep his job. It's to win matches. Getting beyond that is a real reach. At least the foreign parents sending unqualified kids to Harvard are having to pay through the nose, I hope. It is different for the state colleges and universities that are supported by the tax payers. I'm sure they feel they should be getting a little more for their dollar than some kid from Spain that has never paid anything toward the educational system. I am sure Spain doesn't welcome American kids to the Spanish universities displacing homies. But it is surely our fault for allowing such policeies to exist in first place. I certainly have no animosity toward the kids.

Thanks "tennis". ...but I'm from the motherland .... quaint ol' UK. You know ... the one with the "special relationship"

Never thought I'd write this!

tennis-n-sc
10-05-2007, 04:25 AM
Thanks "tennis". ...but I'm from the motherland .... quaint ol' UK. You know ... the one with the "special relationship"

Never thought I'd write this!

Oh, well, then, ok. ;)

sureshs
10-05-2007, 09:05 AM
I just can't agree with this. Foreign players are recruited to help the coach keep his job. It's to win matches. Getting beyond that is a real reach. At least the foreign parents sending unqualified kids to Harvard are having to pay through the nose, I hope. It is different for the state colleges and universities that are supported by the tax payers. I'm sure they feel they should be getting a little more for their dollar than some kid from Spain that has never paid anything toward the educational system. I am sure Spain doesn't welcome American kids to the Spanish universities displacing homies. But it is surely our fault for allowing such policeies to exist in first place. I certainly have no animosity toward the kids.

OK coming back to tennis (sorry I went off on a tangent), the arguments used by the coaches is that they are helping raise the standard of US tennis by making US kids face foreign players. Same reason that track and field athletes from foreign countries are given scholarships. It is said that in the Olympics, the "competitors" US athletes face are often the ones they have seen locally. Keeps the standard up and lets them know what it is like out there.

Back to the tangent, it is all part of the US lifestyle which reinforces that "we are #1", which my son has internalized even as a kid. It follows that the locals who are not "#1 material" are, well, not that important (other than politicians of course)....... I have seen outsourcing from very close and know what executives think about paying a good salary and benefits to locals who are not at least twice as productive as a cheaper person abroad. Living in a superpower with global reach means living with these factors. Foreign countries expect things from the US which the US cannot expect from them. That is how it goes. But in exchange, the US gets intangibles back, like political support, first class treatment abroad for tourists, deals for American businesses expanding abroad etc. You cannot have Microsoft and IBM and Pepsi and Coke and weapons companies being dominant players in every country without giving opportunities for some people here and there to experience the best.

OK no more rants.

sureshs
10-05-2007, 09:07 AM
Thanks "tennis". ...but I'm from the motherland .... quaint ol' UK. You know ... the one with the "special relationship"

Never thought I'd write this!

Yes the relationship is special and some reciprocity is required.

tennis-n-sc
10-05-2007, 09:57 AM
OK coming back to tennis (sorry I went off on a tangent), the arguments used by the coaches is that they are helping raise the standard of US tennis by making US kids face foreign players. Same reason that track and field athletes from foreign countries are given scholarships. It is said that in the Olympics, the "competitors" US athletes face are often the ones they have seen locally. Keeps the standard up and lets them know what it is like out there.

Back to the tangent, it is all part of the US lifestyle which reinforces that "we are #1", which my son has internalized even as a kid. It follows that the locals who are not "#1 material" are, well, not that important (other than politicians of course)....... I have seen outsourcing from very close and know what executives think about paying a good salary and benefits to locals who are not at least twice as productive as a cheaper person abroad. Living in a superpower with global reach means living with these factors. Foreign countries expect things from the US which the US cannot expect from them. That is how it goes. But in exchange, the US gets intangibles back, like political support, first class treatment abroad for tourists, deals for American businesses expanding abroad etc. You cannot have Microsoft and IBM and Pepsi and Coke and weapons companies being dominant players in every country without giving opportunities for some people here and there to experience the best.

OK no more rants.

That's all well and great, of course. But I can assure you that the college tennis coach does not have quite that big of a picture of the wonders of the world. His/her world consists of trying to keep the job they have and winning enough to continue to move up the food chain of coaching. That's the American way. Look for a limit to be placed on athletic scholarships awarded to foreign players in the next 5 -10 years at public schools. We'll just have to forego some of that quality treatment we receive when traveling abroad. And I guess American industries will eventually get used to the more dimwitted and unproductive American college grads in their employment when the smart, productive foreign employees get mad and go back to wherever. OK, no more rants.;)

skiracer55
10-05-2007, 10:05 AM
...in this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=156540&page=2

danielpreston
10-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Yes the relationship is special and some reciprocity is required.

But I thought Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher fell in love with each other! Hey what this got to do with tennis and me wanting to get recruited!

Calling all you NCAA tennis coaches out there ... I'm here!

HotCarl
10-05-2007, 09:28 PM
My buddy is the coach at Eastern Washington University, which is D-I. His name is Darren Haworth. Tell him Clay sent you. His email is: darren.haworth@mail.ewu.edu

lethalfang
10-05-2007, 11:51 PM
That's all well and great, of course. But I can assure you that the college tennis coach does not have quite that big of a picture of the wonders of the world. His/her world consists of trying to keep the job they have and winning enough to continue to move up the food chain of coaching. That's the American way. Look for a limit to be placed on athletic scholarships awarded to foreign players in the next 5 -10 years at public schools. We'll just have to forego some of that quality treatment we receive when traveling abroad. And I guess American industries will eventually get used to the more dimwitted and unproductive American college grads in their employment when the smart, productive foreign employees get mad and go back to wherever. OK, no more rants.;)

If there is any change, the change will come from NCAA. To make a distinction between private institutions and state universities is to force a competitive disadvantage to someone.

tennis-n-sc
10-06-2007, 04:51 AM
If there is any change, the change will come from NCAA. To make a distinction between private institutions and state universities is to force a competitive disadvantage to someone.

The NCAA does not dictate to schools what sports to have available, who gets scholarships, etc. That is a school decision, controlled by the state for public schools. The NCAA has no input.

sureshs
10-06-2007, 08:15 AM
That's all well and great, of course. But I can assure you that the college tennis coach does not have quite that big of a picture of the wonders of the world. His/her world consists of trying to keep the job they have and winning enough to continue to move up the food chain of coaching. That's the American way. Look for a limit to be placed on athletic scholarships awarded to foreign players in the next 5 -10 years at public schools. We'll just have to forego some of that quality treatment we receive when traveling abroad. And I guess American industries will eventually get used to the more dimwitted and unproductive American college grads in their employment when the smart, productive foreign employees get mad and go back to wherever. OK, no more rants.;)

First will happen with age and earnings limits, second will not happen any time soon, only when wage equalization happens and even then sheer numbers and availability will offset it. USO logo caps are made in Bangladesh. The 2004 Republican party voter registration database was maintained from India.

Restrictions are already in place now for foreign players after the Benjamin Becker case (Baylor guy who defeated Agassi at the Open). Joke among tennis fathers is: my son needs to compete for schools with a guy Federer's age who beat Agassi.

Boys are more bitter of course because Title IX gives girls a much easier time. As it should - men have had it too good for centuries and now need to pay for their forefathers' sins :-)

BTW, not many know that Somdev Devvarman, this year's NCAA champion who beat Isner in the final, is a Virginia junior from Chennai, India :-)

As a result, when I was in India this summer, there was a lot of talk about "NCAA" as if it is a local thing :-)

sureshs
10-06-2007, 08:17 AM
But I thought Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher fell in love with each other!

I am trying to picture the two of them together at Camp David, and it is a disgusting thought :-)

Chauvalito
10-06-2007, 08:18 AM
How are your academics? I am assuming you dont or are not going to go pro, so you should think about the academic side of things a well.

danielpreston
10-07-2007, 05:36 AM
How are your academics? I am assuming you dont or are not going to go pro, so you should think about the academic side of things a well.

You can see my academic scores at www.danpreston.co.uk

Basically the SAT are good, but not amazing; my UK academic results are better

sureshs
10-07-2007, 12:50 PM
Your academics are outstanding. I see you want to major in math. Should you really be looking for a tennis scholarship? It means 3 to 4 hours tennis a day, and travel to tournaments, and being at the beck and call of the coach. Not to put down (the few :-)) high-achieving athletes, but these athletic scholarships usually go together with a "dilute" major, like English or Business. Ouch will get killed for saying that but that is OK. Math is a different beast, specially if you combine it with a minor in physics, engg or applied sciences. And graduating with a C average in your major does not look good if it is math - paints you as sort of a stupid but egoistic fellow. While a C in English would paint you as a rebel who is too creative for the establishment.

I think you should consider applying for an academic scholarship, and then play tennis for fun.

If you want to know the nuts and bolts of a tennis scholarship, search for posts by "megacedu" and a thread called "megacedu goes to college" or something like that. She stopped posting, but before that used to write her life down - how to get a scholarship, what happens after that, blah blah blah.

danielpreston
10-09-2007, 06:30 AM
Your academics are outstanding. I see you want to major in math. Should you really be looking for a tennis scholarship? It means 3 to 4 hours tennis a day, and travel to tournaments, and being at the beck and call of the coach. Not to put down (the few :-)) high-achieving athletes, but these athletic scholarships usually go together with a "dilute" major, like English or Business. Ouch will get killed for saying that but that is OK. Math is a different beast, specially if you combine it with a minor in physics, engg or applied sciences. And graduating with a C average in your major does not look good if it is math - paints you as sort of a stupid but egoistic fellow. While a C in English would paint you as a rebel who is too creative for the establishment.

I think you should consider applying for an academic scholarship, and then play tennis for fun.

If you want to know the nuts and bolts of a tennis scholarship, search for posts by "megacedu" and a thread called "megacedu goes to college" or something like that. She stopped posting, but before that used to write her life down - how to get a scholarship, what happens after that, blah blah blah.

I'm growing by the inch ....but hey my academics are not outstanding! Thanks for your encouragement though.

I think I'm already doing 3/4 hours tennis/gym etc most days, before I did my elbow in .....aargghhhhh! It's soooooooo frustrating!

Your "megacedu" posts were very interesting. Did she finally dip out of college because of injury? Megs ... are you there? Please answer!

sureshs
10-09-2007, 08:38 AM
Your "megacedu" posts were very interesting. Did she finally dip out of college because of injury?

I have no idea what happened to her

Pusher
10-09-2007, 11:44 AM
OK coming back to tennis (sorry I went off on a tangent), the arguments used by the coaches is that they are helping raise the standard of US tennis by making US kids face foreign players. Same reason that track and field athletes from foreign countries are given scholarships. It is said that in the Olympics, the "competitors" US athletes face are often the ones they have seen locally. Keeps the standard up and lets them know what it is like out there.

Back to the tangent, it is all part of the US lifestyle which reinforces that "we are #1", which my son has internalized even as a kid. It follows that the locals who are not "#1 material" are, well, not that important (other than politicians of course)....... I have seen outsourcing from very close and know what executives think about paying a good salary and benefits to locals who are not at least twice as productive as a cheaper person abroad. Living in a superpower with global reach means living with these factors. Foreign countries expect things from the US which the US cannot expect from them. That is how it goes. But in exchange, the US gets intangibles back, like political support, first class treatment abroad for tourists, deals for American businesses expanding abroad etc. You cannot have Microsoft and IBM and Pepsi and Coke and weapons companies being dominant players in every country without giving opportunities for some people here and there to experience the best.

OK no more rants.

Well, I just didn't realize we owed the world tennis scholarships. All so we can sell Big Macs in India.

Thats just great.

Pusher
10-09-2007, 11:51 AM
But at a high level, foreign players are recruited partly due to a strategy of creating pro-US attitudes worldwide.

Doesn't seem to have made much of an impact with you.

Maybe this "foreign policy" needs some tweaking.

sureshs
10-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Well, I just didn't realize we owed the world tennis scholarships.

You probably also haven't realized many other things, otherwise you would not expect foreign soldiers to die in illegal wars for you when most of their populations are opposed to it. Coming to think of that, you should not expect US soldiers to die in illegal wars either in order to make a few people even richer.

sureshs
10-09-2007, 02:03 PM
Maybe this "foreign policy" needs some tweaking.

Yes, it does. Good that you realized it.

danielpreston
10-10-2007, 12:31 AM
I'm feeling very hi-jacked here!

tennis-n-sc
10-10-2007, 04:37 AM
You probably also haven't realized many other things, otherwise you would not expect foreign soldiers to die in illegal wars for you when most of their populations are opposed to it. Coming to think of that, you should not expect US soldiers to die in illegal wars either in order to make a few people even richer.

This is B.S. Britain and Western Europe didn't have any problem asking foreign soldiers (American) to come die on their soil and bail their butt's out of their failed appeasement policy. But I have no problem with Britain. They have proven to be wonderful friend and ally. I hope we are thought of in the same by them.

Ther real issue here is that American tax dollars go to pay for the operation of state universities and colleges that their children have trouble getting into while a foreign tennis player jumps in with a scholarship. That shouldn't be allowed, even with all the hypothetical, pie-in-the-sky benefits you profess.

sureshs
10-10-2007, 08:59 AM
This is B.S. Britain and Western Europe didn't have any problem asking foreign soldiers (American) to come die on their soil and bail their butt's out of their failed appeasement policy. But I have no problem with Britain. They have proven to be wonderful friend and ally. I hope we are thought of in the same by them.

Ther real issue here is that American tax dollars go to pay for the operation of state universities and colleges that their children have trouble getting into while a foreign tennis player jumps in with a scholarship. That shouldn't be allowed, even with all the hypothetical, pie-in-the-sky benefits you profess.

Very clever. Using the war when American soldiers died to save the world from **** rule to somehow justify everything under some sort of umbrella policy, promoted by someone who never served and used a series of lies, till in the end no justification remained other than twisted umbrella arguments.

And Blair happily collaborated after making a few weak objections, and send British soldiers to die, while his people seethed in anger. Had a drink with an English salesman in August, and boy was he ****ed about how his country had been used.

Let in those British tennis players, I say.

Pusher
10-10-2007, 11:38 AM
Very clever. Using the war when American soldiers died to save the world from **** rule to somehow justify everything under some sort of umbrella policy, promoted by someone who never served and used a series of lies, till in the end no justification remained other than twisted umbrella arguments.

And Blair happily collaborated after making a few weak objections, and send British soldiers to die, while his people seethed in anger. Had a drink with an English salesman in August, and boy was he ****ed about how his country had been used.

Let in those British tennis players, I say.

We'll trade you for the brit.

tennis-n-sc
10-10-2007, 01:37 PM
Very clever. Using the war when American soldiers died to save the world from **** rule to somehow justify everything under some sort of umbrella policy, promoted by someone who never served and used a series of lies, till in the end no justification remained other than twisted umbrella arguments.

And Blair happily collaborated after making a few weak objections, and send British soldiers to die, while his people seethed in anger. Had a drink with an English salesman in August, and boy was he ****ed about how his country had been used.

Let in those British tennis players, I say.

Now let's get serious. Who the he#l needs who the most. Does our life depend on England? Nope. Maybe there's doesn't depend on us. You are the one that brought up the military obligations of countries and somehow equated that to a tennis scholarship. I don't think you meant to take it there but you did. I say let Daniel in and the rest will be considered on a case by case basis. That is until the taxpayers put a limit on the foreign players coming to this country and taking our scholarships. Maybe if good ole England said we'll take one of yours for one of ours but that will never happen. More and more, I'm for having America be for Americans and the rest of the world can figure out to support their own. I can't think of any debt I owe any other country. The U.S. is far to kind to the rest of the world to only have dirt kicked back on us. I wonder how many accounts your English salesman buddy has in America or would like to have in America.

danielpreston
10-10-2007, 03:16 PM
Now let's get serious. Who the he#l needs who the most. Does our life depend on England? Nope. Maybe there's doesn't depend on us. You are the one that brought up the military obligations of countries and somehow equated that to a tennis scholarship. I don't think you meant to take it there but you did. I say let Daniel in and the rest will be considered on a case by case basis. That is until the taxpayers put a limit on the foreign players coming to this country and taking our scholarships. Maybe if good ole England said we'll take one of yours for one of ours but that will never happen. More and more, I'm for having America be for Americans and the rest of the world can figure out to support their own. I can't think of any debt I owe any other country. The U.S. is far to kind to the rest of the world to only have dirt kicked back on us. I wonder how many accounts your English salesman buddy has in America or would like to have in America.

Thanks for letting me in, tennis! When I get to SC, I'll personally thank you:D

tennis-n-sc
10-10-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks for letting me in, tennis! When I get to SC, I'll personally thank you:D

Ok mate! :) Rreally, if you get close to Greenville, look me up. The wife and I will show you the place. Good luck to you, Daniel.

dallasoliver
10-12-2007, 07:10 AM
Only serves US players. Already signed up ... paid the full whack, and couldn't even load my own videos on the site. Got a v.quick personal note thanking me for my money, but totally zilch reply with regard to replying to my question about at least uploading my videos.

Not a level playing field!

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Best,
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danielpreston
10-12-2007, 07:51 AM
Hi Daniel -

My name is Dallas Oliver, and I work with TennisRecruiting.net. I am sorry if this one "fell through the cracks". Please send me an email at dallas at tennisrecruiting.net and we will get you set up and your subscription extended.

Best,
Dallas

Quality Dallas!

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MegacedU
10-12-2007, 02:49 PM
I'm growing by the inch ....but hey my academics are not outstanding! Thanks for your encouragement though.

I think I'm already doing 3/4 hours tennis/gym etc most days, before I did my elbow in .....aargghhhhh! It's soooooooo frustrating!

Your "megacedu" posts were very interesting. Did she finally dip out of college because of injury? Megs ... are you there? Please answer!

Hey, yeah I'm still here. I didn't dip out of the college scene, I played for all of last year. However, I did so at the expense of my health and body. Landed myself in the hospital with kidney failure and liver damage due to severe mono. I decided to take the fall season off, but I'm sure I'll go back in the spring if my health is up to par. Let me know what questions you have.

danielpreston
10-12-2007, 03:04 PM
Hey, yeah I'm still here. I didn't dip out of the college scene, I played for all of last year. However, I did so at the expense of my health and body. Landed myself in the hospital with kidney failure and liver damage due to severe mono. I decided to take the fall season off, but I'm sure I'll go back in the spring if my health is up to par. Let me know what questions you have.

Megs ... I got loadsa questions ... is it better that I ask them here, or are you open to me emailing you direct?

MegacedU
10-15-2007, 11:57 AM
You can email me. I may not answer right away, i'm a busy person, but i'll get to you.