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Kevin Patrick
11-10-2004, 05:00 PM
I was disappointed that 'gangsta vince' apparently didn't write this, from tennisweek.com:

Pat,
I am writing this letter to you to express my desire to represent the U.S. in the upcoming Davis Cup final. As the #19 player in the world and third highest ranked American in the world (behind only Andy Roddick and Andre Agassi), I have earned the opportunity to represent the United States against Spain.

Throughout the year, I have expressed my desire to represent my country in Davis Cup, a privilege I felt I earned earlier in the year with respect to previous Davis Cup matches. For reasons never articulated to me, and despite my solid results throughout the year, you have consistently chosen not to select me to the Davis Cup. Earlier this year, after having won an ATP tour title and reached the semifinals of the Nasdaq 100, you declined to name me to the Davis Cup team for the quarterfinal match against Sweden, as well as the semifinal match against Belarus. In bypassing me in your selection, you stated in a news paper article (which I have enclosed for your convenience) that in order for you to select me to the Davis Cup team, I would have to demonstrate significantly better results or a higher ranking than the younger Americans in contention for Davis Cup play this year.

I have done that this year, and, but for Andy Roddick, I am ranked higher than all of the other American players interested and available to play Davis Cup. On this point, I would like to highlight my record as compared to other young Americans currently in contention for the Davis Cup final (on red clay in Madrid):

2004 ATP entry ranking (as of 11/7/04): Spadea (19), Dent, (32), Fish (37)
2004 year-to-date ATP singles wins: Spadea (40), Dent (32), Fish (28)
Top finishes in ATP European red clay tour events: Spadea (2004 Italian Open
quarterfinals, 2003 Monte Carlo semifinals, 2003 French Open 3rd round), Dent
(2004 Monte Carlo 2nd round, 2004 French Open 1st round), Fish (2003 Italian
Open 2nd round, 2003 French Open 1st round)

I hope and expect that you will honor your word, and my hard work and achievements this year, and name me to the team for the final in Spain. Further, with regards to the integrity of the process, I feel that the Davis Cup selection should be an equitable one in which members are selected based on merit. Other irrelevant and unjust off court factors, such as age or friendships, should have no bearing on the team selections. Having ended the year in the top twenty and ahead of other younger Americans, my performance and ranking this year clearly demonstrate that my age has no bearing on my ability to perform at the highest level of our sport. Further, my record shows that age, unquestionably, should not be a factor in deciding the Davis Cup team. I know that I have earned a playing position on the American team in the upcoming Davis Cup final. I hope that you will make a fair selection and give me the opportunity that I have worked so hard to earn by recognizing my professional achievements this year in a selection to the Davis Cup team.

I appreciate your time and attention to this matter.


Sincerely,
Vince
http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=11752&bannerregi on=

BigboyDan
11-10-2004, 05:41 PM
Wow! At least he put it in a way in which it will require a considered answer from Patrick.

The problem for Vince, though, is that Andy and Fish "got them there", and it is the final; seems that he's ought to be working for a chance to play in the first tie of 2005.

Thunnus
11-10-2004, 05:51 PM
It is quite annoying to see people being unreasonable consistently. Going with Spadea gives the US the best chance and it also seems fair, given the fact that Spadea has been playing better than others especially on clay. Granted, these other guys have got them there, still my point stands. Spadea has been shunned by Patrick McEnroe consistently. Stop being unreasonable and give the man a chance! I thought it was all about the results baby!

robbie_dademo
11-10-2004, 06:19 PM
who wrote this i dont get it?

rafael
11-10-2004, 07:27 PM
I hope he gets to play, he deserves it. On clay at least he has the best chance out of any american other than aggasi.

K!ck5w3rvE
11-10-2004, 09:11 PM
Tennis week wrote it r_d.

big ted
11-11-2004, 03:54 AM
fish has a much better record against the spaniards then spadea. spadeas never beaten one. spadeas solid but fish has more potential to win big, id go with fish

pound cat
11-11-2004, 04:05 AM
robbie_dademo i think it's a "wish Vince had written this letter" written by someone at tenisweek.com

Thunnus
11-11-2004, 06:11 AM
It was writen by Vince Spadea.

@wright
11-11-2004, 07:12 AM
It should have started like this:

!Yo Pat!

Sup!?!? Ma brotha, you been peepin' ma results thus fa? Don't be disrespekin' me next time you selek da Davis Cup playas, fool.

If Vince wrote that, he did a great job, very articulate. I think he deserves a shot over the underachieving Fish and Dent.

Nastase
11-11-2004, 09:22 AM
Spadea has a 3-0 record head-to-head versus Fish

Spadea just beat Nadal last month so he has beaten a Spaniard.

1-3 verusus Roddick
2-4 versus Agassi
5-3 versus Blake
0-1 versus Dent
1-0 verusus Nadal
0-0 versus Robredo
0-2 versus JCF

Marius_Hancu
11-11-2004, 01:56 PM
It's over:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNDU1cml1BF9TAzk1ODYyNTg0BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-daviscupfinal-us&prov=ap&type=lgns
McEnroe picked Fish over players such as Vince Spadea

thatballwas_IN
11-11-2004, 03:10 PM
@wright, you beat me to it! you did a fine job too!
peepin? eh, it works, but i woulda gone a little more hardcore:
"spyin" perhaps?

gmlasam
11-11-2004, 04:48 PM
who wrote this i dont get it?The "Sincerely, Vince" at the end of the letter should give you a clue :)

Kevin Patrick
11-11-2004, 04:50 PM
Here's Pmac's response to Vince:

"Playing against a Spanish team that includes two former world No. 1 players and two French Open champions on a clay court before 15,000 fans is the ultimate challenge and test for our team," McEnroe said. "Nothing would be sweeter and more satisfying than to win the Davis Cup in this environment and our guys are certainly excited about that opportunity that is in front of them."

One player who will not share the excitement is 19th-ranked Vince Spadea, who was bypassed in favor of Fish. Spadea told Tennis Week he would be willing to make the trip to Seville as an alternate, but he probably won't get the chance as McEnroe confirmed he is leading toward choosing Robby Ginepri, the second singles starter in the United States' 5-0 sweep of Austria in February's opening-round, as the alternate on the team should Ginepri's bothersome back hold up.

In an email to Tennis Week yesterday, Spadea stated his case for his inclusion on the squad and criticized the selection process that he asserts is unfair in that it permits the captain's personal preference to take priority over player performance, ranking and results. Spadea is ranked 18 spots higher than Fish, owns 12 more victories on the season and has produced better clay-court results in the past.

Prior to today's press conference, McEnroe told Tennis Week he chose Fish over Spadea primarily because he truly believes Fish gives the Americans a better chance to win than Spadea. The complete interview with McEnroe will be posted on this web site tomorrow.

"I'm not making the decision based on the fact Vince is older. The primary reason is I believe that Mardy has the best chance to win a match," McEnroe said. "I believe he's got game that can frustrate those guys. Obviously, it's clay so it's a different situation. But the key for me, in my mind, is that Mardy works his butt off these next few weeks, which obviously I'm on him about doing, so that he's in great shape. And if he's in great shape then I think he's got a good chance to win a match."

Conceding Spadea's clay-court credentials have been superior to Fish, McEnroe pointed out that the match-ups — Fish is undefeated against both Moya and Ferrero, while Spadea is winless against Moya and Ferrero — and prior Davis Cup experience favor Fish.

"Spadea's had better results than Fish on clay, but this isn't a clay-court season. We're playing one match," McEnroe said. "I'll say it again: in my mind, in my opinion, Mardy has a better chance to win a match (than Spadea). Does that mean he's necessarily a guy who's going to win more matches on clay throughout the course of a two month season? Well that's debatable. I'm asking him to try to go win one match. And if you put Vince Spadea — or anyone — in their first live match in Davis Cup in the Davis Cup final in front of 25,000 people who are going crazy — and I've been there for Roddick's first Davis Cup match, for Mardy's first Davis Cup match, for James Blake's first Davis Cup match, for Ginepri's first Davis Cup match, down two sets to love, the whole deal — that's very tough. We can't afford that in this big a match. And as I said, as solid a year as Vince has had, he hasn't done great in the majors. He hasn't had great results in Slams, which leads me to think that in five set matches, it's one thing if the guy's unbelievable in five-set matches of if the guy got to the semis of the French. Yeah, he's had better results than Mardy on clay this year. He hasn't had the results that to me make it a no-brainer that he is the obvious pick. To me, Mardy has a better chance to win a match, he's been part of the team."

McEnroe said he considered selecting Spadea, but did not believe the disparity in ranking and results between Spadea and Fish was significant enough to warrant Spadea's selection to the squad.

"I certainly considered Vince seriously," McEnroe said. "I follow all the results from Europe. Unless Vince did something extraordinary, like winning Madrid or doing something outrageous, I was pretty comfortable that I was going to stay with Mardy. He's got us here, he's won some big matches for us, he's got the experience of playing. I'm not going to put someone in there just to gain experience — especially when we're playing in the final for the Davis Cup."

In response to Spadea's call for the USTA to adopt a merit-based selection system relying strictly on rankings to reward the players who have produced the best results over the course of a season, McEnroe said such a system was "absolutely never going to happen" as he believes would limit the captain's flexibility in picking a team best-suited to specific surfaces and opponents.

"Absolutely not. It will certainly never happen as long as I'm the captain. Never," McEnroe said. "I have to pick guys who I feel are best prepared to play on particular surfaces. The morale of the team is important. Match-ups, the fact that Mardy has matched up well with these guys, on different surfaces, but I watched him play Moya at the Australian and that was pretty slow conditions. I watched him play Ferrero at the Olympics. I mean, that's not a guarantee that he's going to win, but that helps. In other words if we had this system where as Vince says we went strictly by the rankings, I mean that's just not going to happen. What if someone's hurt?"

In support of his stance, McEnroe said rankings have never been the sole criteria in his selection process and suggested experience in Davis Cup play is vital when playing a final on foreign soil.

"When I put Ginepri in he wasn't ranked the highest at that point, when I put Blake in over Todd Martin in North Carolina, he wasn't ranked higher. So you have to have some flexibility," McEnroe said. "Mardy got us here, he's won some big matches fo us, he's got the experience of playing. I'm not going to put someone in there just to gain experience— especially when we're playing in the final for the Davis Cup. "

McEnroe said he offered a spot on the squad to Andre Agassi, but Agassi, who has said repeatedly he has no desire to play Davis Cup again, declined.

"Would it count if Spadea were No. 5 in the world? Then of course, that's different," said McEnroe. "The disparity is not like saying it's Andre Agassi who has won the French Open and eight majors.If it was Agassi then you make an exception — and this is in no way meant to disparage Vince Spadea — because he's Andre Agassi. There's only one Andre Agassi. He's won eight Grand Slams, he's one of the greatest players ever, he's Andre Agassi."

http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=11757&bannerregi on=

davey25
11-12-2004, 07:14 AM
Patrick McEnroe is an ***. Mardy Fish beating Ferrero or Moya on clay. LOL! Lets put it this way, if Mardy beats either Juan Carlos or Carlos on clay they were playing so badly they would have lost to anybody anyway.

Deuce
11-13-2004, 12:08 AM
Whoever wrote the letter at the top of the thread (I doubt Spadea has that eloquence in him - if it 'comes from him', he had someone write it on his behalf) - but whoever wrote it is correct about the age issue. Ol' Vince may be entering his 4th decade on the planet, but his behavior remains that of a pre-teen.

davey25
11-13-2004, 06:13 AM
I disagree on that. Compared to Roddick and Fish he would seem like the epitome of sophistication and professionalism. Those two are 20s going on 8.