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stevo
03-18-2004, 12:33 PM
Is Nike ever going to bring back these awesome shoes? I am talking about the old johnny macs in the grey and green color scheme.

Brian Purdie
03-18-2004, 06:17 PM
they did in 1994 and 2002. You missed the boat. They currently sell in 3 different color combos and another leather version. You want the grey/green? I paid $150 to buy a pair off **** a few weeks ago, the only pair in a 9 1/2 that have sold in a while off the site. Of course I didn't know they run a half size small, and now I need a size 10. My suggestion: Buy the uglier color in stores for $60 right now while they are still on clearance.

blackburne
03-19-2004, 09:56 PM
I think I might have this shirt back at my parents house. Won't be able to check for at least a couple of months. I'll keep it in mind.

Brian Purdie
03-20-2004, 07:34 AM
thanks blackburne!

Colpo
03-22-2004, 01:48 PM
Brian's right - Nike did a bringback of this shoe most recently in 2000, at least around here in NYC. I was able to score a perfect pair of gray/greens, size 12, for $49.99, which I then proceeded to put on ice until I couldn't take it anymore! Since then, I've worn them several times for clay and hard court play, and that old-school full Air insert with poly midsole still cushions like there's no tomorrow. As was also mentioned, they do run a half-size small both because of the length and the low-slung toebox.

Verbal_Kint
03-22-2004, 01:51 PM
They're on sale at footlocker in The Netherlands now.

Marnix

johnkidd
03-26-2004, 09:21 AM
I picked up a pair last week at Finishline for $29.99. They are the white with blue and orange trim. They look pretty good for the price.

inspector_clouseau
04-19-2004, 06:30 AM
the nike air trainer 1 mids will definitely be out in more colors this year. there were at least 3-4 colorways released in 2003 that i know of or bought. still one of the comfiest shoes i've ever worn.

the surprise is the air trainer 1 low (product #308873-001, msrp $90 [ouch], natural gray/light graphite-white), which will be released in late august.

color-wise the lows look alot more like the original mcenroe trainers with the gray/white and green embroidered "nike air" on the back. style-wise they are not like the original air trainer lows, but not too different. i have a pic of the samples if someone can host it for me (pm me if you can help out).

Swan Song
04-19-2004, 08:47 AM
I have the Air Trainer 1's with an all gray color scheme with some green inside the ankle and a pink Nike logo. Too bad I couldn't find the original Mac color. These shoes are super low to the ground and it has a very good fit. The only part of the shoe that caught my eye when I bought it was that the insole had a green, gray, and pink argile plaid design. BTW, did the original Air Trainers have a mesh tongue or an all leather tongue because mine is a mesh.


P.S. Argile Plaids are the golf sweater plaids with a diamond shape.

inspector_clouseau
04-20-2004, 12:23 AM
swan song: those trainers you have were part of a special pack of retro shoes put out by nike called the "twisted prep pack". there will be at least 1 more model out this year that is grey, charcoal and white, still not the originals though (i have a picture of these if anyone wants to see them).

the original mac trainers have been re-released at least 2 times. the most recent being in 2002 (japan only) as far as i know. they were available 2 models, 1 with the green embroidery and 1 with the red embroidery. both of these had the checkerboard nike label on the tongue like the originals.

the original mac trainers had a perforated suede-like material on the tongue if i remember correctly. the retro models have been made with both the mesh and leather tongues. these shoes really are awesome.

Swan Song
04-20-2004, 09:19 AM
Can you give me a picture of those trainers?

inspector_clouseau
04-21-2004, 08:13 AM
sure thing, i uploaded pics of both the new low-cut air trainer 1 and the grey mid-cut at1.

http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid4161539

Swan Song
04-21-2004, 09:42 PM
The Air Zoom Trainer 1 caught my eye. It looks sort of different, but do you have any infos on it?

inspector_clouseau
04-22-2004, 06:13 AM
i just uploaded two more pics of the air zoom trainer 1 mid. i don't know anything about it except that it will be out at the same time as the air trainer 1 low (according to the catalog pic), and it will retail for $110. i'm guessing it has zoom air (hopefully full length) and the undersole is very different from the original. i'm curious to see how it measures up against the original which is almost 20 years old now (i think?).

Colpo
04-22-2004, 01:17 PM
There weren't any checkerboard graphics on the original AT Hi's, nor does my bringback pair from 2000 (Training Camp / NYC) have any checkerboard graphics. The tongue label is and was plain white with black/green swoosh and lettering.

By checkerboard, sounds like Mac's '85+ Nike tennis line, which did feature a black and blue checkerboard brand plate, is being confused with the AT Hi's.

The beauty of the AT Hi's is that Mac went outside of Nike's lame-*** tennis shoe line of the time (anybody recall the Air Play or Wimbledon Air series? Didn't think so, and you're better off) and selected an off the wall largely gray shoe to play tennis in. This was consistent with his playing on the original Nike cross-training mids (non-Air) since '82.

I can still recall my first sights of Mac spring of '87 gunning the AT Hi's - I had to have a pair!! Far and away a more advanced shoe than anything else out at that time, except maybe the '86 Lendl Supreme. The full-length Air bag and poly midsole gave incredible cushioning.

inspector_clouseau
04-22-2004, 09:46 PM
thanks for correcting me on that. the retros released in japan in 2002 (a good number of these made their way to the states also) definitely had the checkerboard logo on the tongue and "waffle" insoles. not sure how to exactly describe them, but the insoles had a texture to them. i've uploaded pics of the checkerboard ones, you can see the textured insole if you look closely. i think at1's have always had only a heel air unit, would have been even better if they had full length air!

Swan Song
04-23-2004, 09:25 AM
i think at1's have always had only a heel air unit, would have been even better if they had full length air!
ditto

Brian Purdie
04-26-2004, 06:25 PM
This fall Nike is releasing the same shoes in a low cut version. Same shoe and color white/gray/green, but without the strap. They look nice. A few of the sample shoes were sold on **** recently, so you can get a look.

Edberg_Fan
01-04-2008, 11:38 AM
I was at a local tennnis shop and looks like Nike is bringing these air trainers back for Fall 2008 collection. Wish I made a copy of that catalog.

Edberg_Fan
01-04-2008, 11:43 AM
I recall they will be called the zoom air trainer and be in the original colors...

KANZA
01-04-2008, 11:59 AM
do they feature an updated look, or do they look exactly like the original.

p.s. Edberg Fan, those Zoom air orig have been out since 2005 in the green, grey original colors.

Edberg_Fan
01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
These were an updated look from the original. Anyone have the catalog or a pic?

Sinner
01-05-2008, 12:37 AM
These were an updated look from the original. Anyone have the catalog or a pic?

even better... an actual pic of the retail version... apparently, they are out in Europe... but its rumored that they won't be available in the US... selling for GBP80... cats in the UK can get them at Size?

http://www.size-online.co.uk/uploads/products/large/4623_06023a.jpg

Air Zoom Trainer 1 Mid (These came out in 2004)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3084/airzoomtrainer1midnz7.jpg

KANZA
01-05-2008, 05:32 AM
yes, i remember the mid in 2004 very well. That's what I thought would be out. Those others are from 2002 with the check tongue. Are they out in Europe with a normal tongue?

I haven't seen any large amount of Air Trainer 1 on the big action site. Are you sure they have just been released in Europe?

Edberg_Fan
01-05-2008, 08:43 AM
I was not aware that they were out in 2004. They will be out late this year in the US. The store I was at was already looking at placing orders for them.

Sinner
01-05-2008, 09:17 AM
Kanza - They are already available at Size? (a sneaker store in the UK)... that first pic was taken directly from their site and yes, its the checkered tongue version...

Edberg - The Zoom Trainer 1, along with the Zoom Haven, were released in 2004, but according to a fan of the Air Trainer 1 series, he said Nike's marketing of those shoes in 2004 wasn't done that well, hence they 'went under the radar'...

Edberg_Fan
01-05-2008, 09:48 AM
Sinner - can you let me know what the 'sneaker store in the UK' name is?

Edberg_Fan
01-05-2008, 09:54 AM
I see the original version available on Size but not the Zoom Trainer version.
http://www.size-online.co.uk/product.asp?id=4623

Sinner
01-05-2008, 10:19 AM
^ sorry if confused you... the shoe being retroed is the Air Trainer 1... not the Zoom Trainer 1...

KANZA
01-05-2008, 03:32 PM
thanks for the link Edberg Fan. This is very interesting because the checkered tongue came out in the 2002 retroed version of the AT1. I still have the orig from 1987 and the rerelease from 1994, both of which just have a Nike logo with the swoosh. I thought the checkered logo would just be a one time thing in 2002 given its release along side the checkered McEnroe "52nd Street" line of rereleased 80's checkered clothing.

Anyway, thanks again. I'll have to pick up a pair

Edberg_Fan
01-05-2008, 04:49 PM
Sinner - the shoe I saw in the Nike Catalog was the Zoom Trainer so this is the shoe that will be comming out.

Sinner
01-05-2008, 06:44 PM
Edberg - Really? wow, I had no idea Nike was gonna retro those... certainly good news... I wish you had made a scan of the catalogue too... haha...

staedtler
01-05-2008, 07:51 PM
Yeah I saw the catalog too. Zoom Trainer Is are coming out in that black/white/grey colorway and a white/grey/royal. Or was it navy? I forget but its a blue. I did have it scanned but its at a different computer.

Sinner
01-05-2008, 07:59 PM
^ really? PLEASE show us! very interested in getting a second-chance at those... thanks!

staedtler
01-05-2008, 11:00 PM
Yeah for sure I'll put it up. Sadly you will have to wait till monday night as the scans are at work.

Sinner
01-05-2008, 11:38 PM
Thanks... much appreciated! ;)

staedtler
01-07-2008, 03:53 PM
Here you go Sinner. Sorry if the scan aint the greatest quality as its a scan of a scan. The second colorway for those Zoom trainers is white/neutral gray/black/deep royal. I think the first ones come out in July with the royal ones coming out in August. But thats according to the catalog, I really have no idea when they exactly come out. Interestingly enough, the catalog says it will be $80 dollars. Im not sure if thats right, but the prices for the Vapors and Cages are $115 and thats correct.

http://i7.tinypic.com/6qcvs60.jpg

Edberg_Fan
01-07-2008, 06:56 PM
Awesome, thanks for posting the pic staedtler... looks like there maybe some subtle cosmetic color updates.

Edberg_Fan
01-07-2008, 07:00 PM
I also noticed the $80 price tag, could it be because they are truly cross-trainers which were originally used by McEnroe for tennis. The $80 price tag could be more in line with it's cross trainer counterparts... just guessing. I like the original grey, black, white!

staedtler
01-07-2008, 07:19 PM
I really dont know. Cuz when the zoom trainers first came out a couple years ago, Im sure they were at least 90 dollars. Theres some good technology like zoom air units in both the heel and forefoot. Usually $80 nike shoes would only have air either in the forefoot or heel but usually not in both.

Sinner
01-07-2008, 07:51 PM
staedtler - Thanks a bunch sir! Thats fantastic news! Loving both colorways... Dunno if they will be that cheap, but originally when they first came out, they didn't sell very well, largely due to what was believed to be poor marketing by nike... Thanks again for your efforts!

staedtler
01-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Sinner, there are better pics of these zoom trainers up on this place called niketalk. I never usually go there but if you check the nike retro forum they should have some pics.

Sinner
01-07-2008, 08:09 PM
^ Yep, I just saw the zoom trainer thread... thanks!

Scans have popped up on several other sneaker sites too...

http://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/zoomtennistrainer1.jpg
http://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/air-zoom-tennis-trainer-101.jpg
Nike Air Zoom Tennis Trainer - 324753-101 “Chlorophyll” Colorway

http://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/zoomtennistrainer3.jpg
Nike Air Zoom Tennis Trainer - 324753-102 “Deep Royal” Colorway

According to SneakerNews - Nike is back at it again this time re-releasing a mash up of older styles with newer ones and their technology; hence a slightly changed release of the Zoom Air Trainer 1 for those that do not remember it, vivid there is a resemblance to the Air Trainer 1 being thrown together with a free inspired midsole, and a training outsole. This time years release pays homage to John McEnroe who appears on the tongue of the sneaker; who was notorious for bringing the “Trainer” to the tennis courts. The pictured colorway is inspired by the Air Trainer 1’s classic “chlorophyll” colorway and is expected to hit Tennis accounts in their Fall08 shipments which means it will see its way to shops around August, and best of all it is easy on the wallets with a retail price of $80.00.

I wonder if this will be considered to be a 'performance' shoe...?

_mats_
01-07-2008, 08:20 PM
love them , not too excited about having Jmac's face on the tongue though

Sinner
01-07-2008, 09:12 PM
For TW staff that make their way into this thread, will you be bringing in these Zoom Trainers?

KANZA
01-08-2008, 03:44 PM
woah woah woah!!

is that mac shirt going to be re released too?

niktub
01-09-2008, 11:14 AM
woah woah woah!!

is that mac shirt going to be re released too?

I HOPE IT WILL BE
Fantastic shirt
the wimbledon blue was fantastic

regarding the air zoom,mac was wearing a special version of those...Anybody has seen those in stores?


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2195/mcenroecovervi4.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8543/mcenroesiegerbigba9.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4179/1210849qj4.jpg

Sinner
01-09-2008, 12:15 PM
very interesting indeed... can't tell what they are...

Swan Song
01-09-2008, 04:55 PM
I HOPE IT WILL BE
Fantastic shirt
the wimbledon blue was fantastic

regarding the air zoom,mac was wearing a special version of those...Anybody has seen those in stores?


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2195/mcenroecovervi4.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8543/mcenroesiegerbigba9.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4179/1210849qj4.jpg

Those were the Nike Air Gotham's.

KANZA
01-09-2008, 05:55 PM
Air gotham's were okay. There is still a website out there offering them. They were released in ~ summer 2000.

Sinner
01-10-2008, 02:18 AM
Thanks for the info... Air Trainer-inspired perhaps?

niktub
01-16-2008, 05:35 AM
the air trainer 1 2008 were supposed to be slightly different...
finally they will be like the 2002's.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4405/image2ep6.png

I would love to see a comeback of the nike mac attack...

let us know if you hear about apparel 1990's style

Sinner
01-16-2008, 11:23 AM
Thats a pic of the sample... the final 2008 version is almost identical to the 2002 release...

Just picked these up...
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3870/dsc0124ul2.jpg

KANZA
01-16-2008, 03:19 PM
sinner,
those are sweet. When is the release date?

Airwolf
01-16-2008, 05:09 PM
Sinner,
OMG!
Where did you find you find those????

Sinner
01-16-2008, 08:21 PM
Thanks... they've already dropped in some cities in Asia as well Europe... I'm certain that the UK already has them... they are available in HK as well... there are a bunch of sellers from HK on e'bay selling these...

Klatu Verata Necktie
01-16-2008, 08:44 PM
My fear is that high tops would weigh too much for my tastes. Does anyone know how much they weigh? Anything over 17 oz. is too heavy for me.

KANZA
01-16-2008, 08:52 PM
they don't weigh too much, but they are strickly for the flat footed unless you have some good heel insoles. Manuverability is difficult, and I can feel every incch of the hard court beneath me. They are some of the most well crafted, best looking shoes Nike ever made. For tennis however, think again.

Sinner
01-16-2008, 11:13 PM
I can weigh em later if you like, but the thing is, these were released under the Nike Sport Culture branch... meaning they aren't meant for performance (I'm talking about the 2008 release)... these also run about 1/2 a size small, so if anyone's looking to pick up a pair, go up 1/2 a size...

KANZA
01-17-2008, 07:07 AM
sinner, I have the 2002 version. Is the sizing the same as those version?

Sinner
01-17-2008, 09:00 AM
pretty much... with my 2002's, I had to take the sockliner out and it was still snug... with the 2008's, the sockliner is glued on, so that option is outta the question...

max200G
01-17-2008, 09:07 AM
The new Air Zoom Trainer looks nice.

Sinner
01-17-2008, 09:18 AM
^ yep... I missed out on them back in 04... I want both of these...

KANZA
01-17-2008, 11:44 AM
the waffle insole is still there? That was very uncomfortable

Edberg_Fan
01-17-2008, 06:41 PM
****:

http://cgi.*********/NIKE-AIR-ZOOM-TRAINER-1-MID-supreme-sb-9-5-dunk-tw-II-8_W0QQitemZ270203828124QQihZ017QQcategoryZ137011QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Edberg_Fan
01-17-2008, 06:42 PM
^^^^whoops... there are some on E__B__A__Y

Sinner
01-17-2008, 08:32 PM
the waffle insole is still there? That was very uncomfortable

yep... its glued in... can't even take it out...

KANZA
01-17-2008, 08:38 PM
thats not even practical for streetwear!

Sinner
01-18-2008, 01:57 AM
thats not even practical for streetwear!

well, its not that bad actually... it's a bit strange initially, but you get used to it... and its not really what I would call 'uncomfortable'...

esm
01-18-2008, 03:03 AM
this is whats available in the UK footlocker right now, not on sale yet (£70). wish it came in a different colour combo....
http://www.footlocker.co.uk/product-img/catalog/00000400/473_1_480_300.jpg

paperduetoday
04-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Yup just picked up mine from eB4y from seller michael_jp

135 us dollars shipped.

Airwolf
06-21-2008, 04:04 PM
I just saw that a competitors site has the new Mac Trainers up for sale. They claim to have a heavier duty sole on them for tennis.

I'd bet TW will have them available in the next couple of days....

Klatu Verata Necktie
06-21-2008, 04:20 PM
I just saw that a competitors site has the new Mac Trainers up for sale. They claim to have a heavier duty sole on them for tennis.

I'd bet TW will have them available in the next couple of days....

Good call. I hope TW stocks them, because they look great. If they indeed have beefed up soles, they should be a welcome addition to the Nike line-up.

Sinner
06-22-2008, 02:47 AM
Good find Airwolf...

I inquired about these in the Q&A forum... TW's Jason said that they will be getting them on July 9th...

Airwolf
06-24-2008, 04:38 PM
I got my pair in the mail today. I was able to get an hour of court time with them on tonight and I have to say that they did not let me down. They are very cushioned and have a lower to the ground feel than I expected. The lateral support is better than the BFII's in my opinion. They have plenty of room in the toe box and were very comfortable on my wide feet. The 3/4 cut does take a little time to get used to though.

Klatu Verata Necktie
06-24-2008, 05:39 PM
I got my pair in the mail today. I was able to get an hour of court time with them on tonight and I have to say that they did not let me down. They are very cushioned and have a lower to the ground feel than I expected. The lateral support is better than the BFII's in my opinion. They have plenty of room in the toe box and were very comfortable on my wide feet. The 3/4 cut does take a little time to get used to though.

How much do they wweigh compared to other top offerings?

Sinner
06-24-2008, 09:10 PM
Airwolf - apparently, the competitor website you got the Zoom Trainers from jumped the gun on releasing these and have since removed them from their website until the 'official' release date... so you got lucky in getting them the other day, earlier than all of us! nice to see that they honored the transaction and sent them out right away to you... a lot of Nike tennis shoes from the 90s were a 3/4 cut so this is exactly what I'm looking for... all the stuff now is in a low cut which i don't prefer... also good to know that the forefoot area has room for wide/wider feet (like mine)... how did the toe-area hold up on the court? did they scuff up really fast?

Necktie - according to the 'competitor' website... "Average weight: 13.8 oz. (Size 10.5)"

Airwolf
06-25-2008, 03:13 AM
The soles are definitely more sturdy than the originals! They have a 1/2 inch strip of white XDR sole material around the outside of the toe. The grey sole material around the forefoot and heel is softer. The grey cap on the toe is made of a hard vinyl material for extra toe dragging protection.

Airwolf
06-25-2008, 04:05 AM
Sinner - I forgot to answer your question about the toe on these. No wear on the toe so far, but like I said, I only played an hour on them. As I have gotten older, I'm less and less hard on shoes. It's all about comfort now....

Sinner
06-25-2008, 04:48 AM
Airwolf - yeah I know what you mean... them youngins rock kicks for style... call me old-fashioned, but I like my sneakers to look good AND be comfortable...

BTW, fitting-wise... true-to-size? Thx...

Airwolf
06-25-2008, 05:11 AM
Yes, true to size. My 10.5 was the same fit as my BFII's and Cage 1's. Just a tad bit wider.

niktub
06-25-2008, 07:38 AM
Yes, true to size. My 10.5 was the same fit as my BFII's and Cage 1's. Just a tad bit wider.

so there's no need to take the same size as air trainer 1?

Airwolf
06-25-2008, 07:59 AM
I'd go along with how current nike shoes fit you.

Sinner
06-25-2008, 09:46 AM
so there's no need to take the same size as air trainer 1?

yeah, that was my concern too... as those ran 1/2 size small...

arcangel71
06-04-2012, 10:27 PM
Any chance we´ll see a comeback ?

ArliHawk
06-05-2012, 04:18 AM
Any chance we´ll see a comeback ?

They are being retroed in October of this year.

FedHenry
06-05-2012, 07:53 PM
In the bay the always pop up as "Nike Chlorophyll" search that and there might be a few