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Gee Willikers Batman!
10-16-2007, 04:57 PM
Wow.

What a stud.

He wasn't lying when he said he has a big first serve. Lmao.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YoZj-lfwWPY

jasoncho92
10-16-2007, 05:25 PM
I played against someone who served like that today lol.

junbumkim
10-16-2007, 05:39 PM
Is that happening in UW-madison? Looks so familar.

Fedace
10-16-2007, 05:40 PM
Wow.

What a stud.

He wasn't lying when he said he has a big first serve. Lmao.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YoZj-lfwWPY

Ok, what is his ranking in the Juniors ? I think he made this video just for Stanford tennis team recruiting. He is wearing Technifibre gear with Wilson racket just like stanford boys. i think coach Whit would be interested if his ranking is high enough.:grin:

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-16-2007, 05:52 PM
No idea, but it's got to be pretty far up there..

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-16-2007, 05:56 PM
Oh yeah, and does anybody have any idea what kind of grip he uses for his forehand?

Bundey
10-16-2007, 05:57 PM
How does one get this good? LOL

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-16-2007, 06:02 PM
How does one get this good? LOL

No idea.

If I practiced for 4 hours, everyday, for the next 3 years.

I still wouldn't be even CLOSE to getting that good.


But then again, my Asthma may contribute to that some :p

Zets147
10-16-2007, 06:11 PM
5 years to get good
10 years to get really good
15 years for greatness

assuming you know what you're doing

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-16-2007, 07:02 PM
Ouch. Thats alot of dedication. I don't think i'm up for the challenge xD!

OH YEAH

Is anyone capable of taking his 3 forehands in the beginning of the video and slowing them down in a video so I can break down his technique and everything, I have no idea how to do that, but I bet someone on here does.

EDIT: I edited out the "help, someone do a slideshow with pictures" thing, I did that myself and it helped a bit. but if anyone can do a slow motion video that would be great.

Also, no one answered before - what grip does he use for his forehand?

Thanks in advance.

pushing_wins
10-16-2007, 08:41 PM
not that good

sounds big cause its indoors

the point played at 2:53 - transition game is weak. cant put away short balls. volleys are also weak.

Mike Cottrill
10-17-2007, 07:00 AM
not that good

sounds big cause its indoors

the point played at 2:53 - transition game is weak. cant put away short balls. volleys are also weak.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:shock:

Mike Cottrill
10-17-2007, 07:00 AM
He should get what he wants.

Fedace
10-17-2007, 07:08 AM
not that good

sounds big cause its indoors

the point played at 2:53 - transition game is weak. cant put away short balls. volleys are also weak.

You could tell all this just from the video ? I did notice that his movement was little forced. but alot of college players don't have great movement. if he moved like Djokovic, he would be on pro tour.

WBF
10-17-2007, 07:11 AM
Looks like a very solid player. pushing wins is amusing :) Doubt he'll have any trouble landing what he's looking for.

Jack the Hack
10-17-2007, 08:00 AM
Ok, what is his ranking in the Juniors ? I think he made this video just for Stanford tennis team recruiting. He is wearing Technifibre gear with Wilson racket just like stanford boys. i think coach Whit would be interested if his ranking is high enough.:grin:

I don't want to slam on this player because he is very good, and certainly capable of playing Division I college tennis somewhere. However, despite Stanford's recent woes, he is not even close to being good enough to play there.

Here is Adam Hunt's ITF junior ranking:

http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player.asp?player=100103542

For those that don't want to follow the link, his current junior combined ranking is #2,126 in the world (with a career high of #1,964).

Also, his LTA rating is 4.1, which roughly translates into a low 5.0 in the NTRP:

http://www.lta.org.uk/Search/PlayerSearch/PlayerDetails.htm?Id=1-WB-23403&EventId=1-71J8H&BSMGuid=3616df9e-8f4e-4c14-aa7c-6da2ac16a4f9

The guys that are going to get scholarships at the top 40 programs in the US have rankings and exposure from big international junior tournaments. Their results speak for themselves, and the coaches are going after them.

A player like the one in this video is on the fringe and is competing againsts hundreds of other kids that are really good juniors, but do not have experience against the best. Therefore, he needs to create a recruitment video to market himself. (You won't see any of the top 20 USTA or ITF ranked juniors putting recruiting videos of themselves on YouTube. They are already getting inundated with offers from all kinds of schools!)

Fedace
10-17-2007, 08:24 AM
^^ you are right, i checked out the ranking also. Rich Wire is from england also but he had top national ranking and represented england in all the top junior tournaments. Rich was literally one of the best Juniors in England. but don't lose hope i say, if you really have your heart set on Stanford, you can travel to US while checking out the other colleges, you can try out as walkon and maybe you can impress the coach.?

godprint
10-17-2007, 06:40 PM
there are so many universities offering a tennis scholarship in USA...i'm sure that kid deserves a chance...

he played well enuff in my opinion... should b able to match UW players...(i watch them play b4.)

Fedace
10-17-2007, 06:44 PM
there are so many universities offering a tennis scholarship in USA...i'm sure that kid deserves a chance...

he played well enuff in my opinion... should b able to match UW players...(i watch them play b4.)

There is always hope, maybe Northwestern is not a bad idea, the college Todd Martin went...

NLBwell
10-17-2007, 07:02 PM
Not all that big a serve - probably could get on in D1 somewhere, but not a top 20 program. With his good grades, he may be interested in a good academic school first with tennis being his (fun) method of payment. Good luck to him.

Pusher
10-17-2007, 07:21 PM
There are hundreds of juniors in the US that are as good or better than this guy. You can see he has been well trained but he wouldn't make the starting 5 at a good D-1. Maybe in time.

Fedace
10-17-2007, 07:24 PM
There are hundreds of juniors in the US that are as good or better than this guy. You can see he has been well trained but he wouldn't make the starting 5 at a good D-1. Maybe in time.

once again, how do you know this just from watching the video ?? i would have to see him against one of the better US juniors like Tomic to see how well he stands up to these guys. it is very difficult to assess someone unless you actually see how they handle the heavy balls and speed of shots from top guys.

Pusher
10-17-2007, 07:32 PM
once again, how do you know this just from watching the video ?? i would have to see him against one of the better US juniors like Tomic to see how well he stands up to these guys. it is very difficult to assess someone unless you actually see how they handle the heavy balls and speed of shots from top guys.

I suppose the same way a coach could tell from looking at the video. No, I'm not a coach but I have seen hundreds of junior matches. I look at his movement first, he moves OK but he is a little rough, his feet are a little slow. He looks a little mechanical. I do like his serve. His opponent was not impressive.

All of those things can be fixed in time. If he wants to play tennis in the US he certainly can-just not at the top programs.

Fedace
10-17-2007, 07:34 PM
I suppose the same way a coach could tell from looking at the video. No, I'm not a coach but I have seen hundreds of junior matches. I look at his movement first, he moves OK but he is a little rough, his feet are a little slow. He looks a little mechanical. I do like his serve. His opponent was not impressive.

All of those things can be fixed in time. If he wants to play tennis in the US he certainly can-just not at the top programs.

I agree, that is why i think somewhere like Northwestern might be perfect for him...

Pusher
10-17-2007, 07:36 PM
I agree, that is why i think somewhere like Northwestern might be perfect for him...


Could be. I know nothing about NW tennis but he can play somewhere.

iamke55
10-17-2007, 09:20 PM
This guy's talent level is low enough to be negative.

hyogen
10-17-2007, 10:20 PM
yeah pretty dang good...but i wonder why he showed several points where he loses the point?

He missed quite a few of his first serves too...hmm.

I guess he didn't want to edit just a perfect video of him only hitting the best he could.

LOL....this thread is depressing :'(

njjohan
10-18-2007, 11:51 AM
[QUOTE=Jack the Hack;1815194]

Also, his LTA rating is 4.1 QUOTE]

That's kinda weird, cos there's a girl in my class at high school who's a 4.1. Either she's better than I thought, or this guy for whatever reason doesn't play a whole lot competively

pushing_wins
10-18-2007, 11:51 AM
I don't want to slam on this player because he is very good, and certainly capable of playing Division I college tennis somewhere. However, despite Stanford's recent woes, he is not even close to being good enough to play there.

Here is Adam Hunt's ITF junior ranking:

http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player.asp?player=100103542

For those that don't want to follow the link, his current junior combined ranking is #2,126 in the world (with a career high of #1,964).

Also, his LTA rating is 4.1, which roughly translates into a low 5.0 in the NTRP:

http://www.lta.org.uk/Search/PlayerSearch/PlayerDetails.htm?Id=1-WB-23403&EventId=1-71J8H&BSMGuid=3616df9e-8f4e-4c14-aa7c-6da2ac16a4f9

The guys that are going to get scholarships at the top 40 programs in the US have rankings and exposure from big international junior tournaments. Their results speak for themselves, and the coaches are going after them.

A player like the one in this video is on the fringe and is competing againsts hundreds of other kids that are really good juniors, but do not have experience against the best. Therefore, he needs to create a recruitment video to market himself. (You won't see any of the top 20 USTA or ITF ranked juniors putting recruiting videos of themselves on YouTube. They are already getting inundated with offers from all kinds of schools!)

i was right

juniors like him are a dime a dozen.

he will play low on a mediocre D1 team.

he is probably a good overall athelete. but tennis specific talent, he is is nothing special.

WBF
10-19-2007, 05:43 PM
You seem to be mistaken in your assumption that decent D1 level players are a dime a dozen.

Even when compared only with tennis players who play once a week or more, I'm sure they comprise a very small percentage of the tennis world.

The notion that one can play D1 tennis with athletic ability alone is an absolute joke. Sure, you might be able to point out a few individuals, but you could probably count them on your hands.

I've been involved with tennis my entire life (perhaps not many years but...), and I have only come across a single player who came close to fitting this description. He played college level soccer, and actually made his D1 team after trying the sport for less than a year. Of course, it wasn't a very good D1 team, and he was a doubles specialist (no singles play at all, his serve is too weak for D1 tennis still, although it would top most players you've probably played). Anecdotal evidence is worthless, but not as worthless as your assumption that a non-tennis skilled athlete can compete on a D1 level :)

pushing_wins
10-19-2007, 09:22 PM
although it would top most players you've probably played)


you are wrong on that.

you are probably a 5.0. you walk around your club as if your poop doesnt smell. you love it when the club hacks watch and praise your game. you dont like it when others call your game average, dime a dozen. just go to a tournament, you will realize how average you are.


btw, this is a generalization.

i have encountered too many of these loser in tennis and in life

WBF
10-20-2007, 06:40 AM
you are wrong on that.

you are probably a 5.0. you walk around your club as if your poop doesnt smell. you love it when the club hacks watch and praise your game. you dont like it when others call your game average, dime a dozen. just go to a tournament, you will realize how average you are.


btw, this is a generalization.

i have encountered too many of these loser in tennis and in life

Care to address any of my main ideas?

He plays D1 doubles, and beat the #2 seeds in the national tournament I met him at in straight sets. Do you know many people who got to D1 level tennis on athletic ability alone?

Texas21
10-20-2007, 08:58 AM
Yeah, I think the highlight of him is his 4.0 grade average, his forehand wasn't that good, or his volleys or transition game.

Plus his serve was pretty flat, notice how he only hit down the T? He can't hit it out wide with how little spin he has on it, that's why he has only a good first serve.

But also, the camera seems to make everything look so slow, so I'm not sure.

WBF
10-20-2007, 09:05 AM
Yeah, I think the highlight of him is his 4.0 grade average, his forehand wasn't that good, or his volleys or transition game.

Plus his serve was pretty flat, notice how he only hit down the T? He can't hit it out wide with how little spin he has on it, that's why he has only a good first serve.

But also, the camera seems to make everything look so slow, so I'm not sure.

Have you ever seen a 4.0 play? While highlight clips are never the best indication for guessing the NTRP, this guy is clearly higher than a 4.0.

drakulie
10-20-2007, 11:53 AM
not that good

sounds big cause its indoors

the point played at 2:53 - transition game is weak. cant put away short balls. volleys are also weak.

I think you are on to something here. This guys is a 4.0 at best. (that's pushing it)

P-Town Tennis
10-20-2007, 12:06 PM
Have you ever seen a 4.0 play? While highlight clips are never the best indication for guessing the NTRP, this guy is clearly higher than a 4.0.

Lol he said grade point average.

tbini87
10-20-2007, 12:26 PM
that kid can play. he is only 17, and looks to me like he has great athletic ability. he ran down a ball in one of the points and got it back, which showed athleticism and foot speed. seems like a quality player... but like drakulie said... 4.0 at best... haha!

WBF
10-20-2007, 01:03 PM
Holy crap that's embarassing. Note to self: don't post while listening to lectures.

tennismaster888
10-20-2007, 01:56 PM
just curious...does posting a video on youtube really help you?

Texas21
10-20-2007, 02:15 PM
Holy crap that's embarassing. Note to self: don't post while listening to lectures.

Haha it's ok, when I saw you say that, I was like, wow, did I really say he was only a 4.0? And I had to read my own post like three times before I realized I meant grades, so yeah its all good :D

lilxjohnyy
10-20-2007, 03:44 PM
i think hes good definitley better than a lot of people but im not that impressed .... i think the thread on the girl may be a little below his level but not that far behind

Ultra2HolyGrail
10-21-2007, 08:39 AM
His serve is not THAT impressive. His motion is very stiff looking, not much knee bend, could use some work imo. He's only 17, he could get alot better. Stanford quality? Probably not.

pushing_wins
10-21-2007, 10:40 AM
Care to address any of my main ideas?

He plays D1 doubles, and beat the #2 seeds in the national tournament I met him at in straight sets. Do you know many people who got to D1 level tennis on athletic ability alone?

he is probably a good soccer player

Professor Silvian Kuerton
10-21-2007, 10:50 AM
That gent is good at reading, that is all.

Fedace
10-21-2007, 10:54 AM
I say send in the video to Northwestern wildcats in chicago and see what they say. He says he has good grades so this is a plus with this school, and this team could be a good fit for him.

takl23
10-22-2007, 05:05 PM
not that good

sounds big cause its indoors

the point played at 2:53 - transition game is weak. cant put away short balls. volleys are also weak.

I agree. I don't think he that fabulous. D2 at best.

Cheers,

Tim

JohnP
10-23-2007, 12:51 AM
I think he could probably play D1 tennis somewhere. The academic strength is a plus but unfortunately mostly only at schools that are also top tennis schools and might be out of his reach. There are, however, several D1 schools with moderate to weak tennis programs that are strong academically that he may be a good fit for.

The other question is what his long term goals are. If he is simply interested in using tennis to help him get in and pay for a really quality college, and nothing more, his options are wide open. If he's really set on going as far with as he can with tennis in his life, he'll normally be better off playing at the best tennis program that he can compete at (that is, start, preferrably in the top 3 or 4), which will benefit his game more in the long run. That would limit his options greatly, however.

It'd be interesting to see where he ends up, after all of the debate/speculation in this thread :)

pushing_wins
10-24-2007, 09:12 AM
I think he could probably play D1 tennis somewhere. The academic strength is a plus but unfortunately mostly only at schools that are also top tennis schools and might be out of his reach. There are, however, several D1 schools with moderate to weak tennis programs that are strong academically that he may be a good fit for.

The other question is what his long term goals are. If he is simply interested in using tennis to help him get in and pay for a really quality college, and nothing more, his options are wide open. If he's really set on going as far with as he can with tennis in his life, he'll normally be better off playing at the best tennis program that he can compete at (that is, start, preferrably in the top 3 or 4), which will benefit his game more in the long run. That would limit his options greatly, however.

It'd be interesting to see where he ends up, after all of the debate/speculation in this thread :)

going pro is not realistic

Jack the Hack
10-24-2007, 09:22 AM
going pro is not realistic

I agree that this guy has no potential to make money on the ATP tour.

However, going "pro" isn't the only benefit to playing at a better tennis school. If this player's ambition was to be a college coach or teacher at a nice club, then playing at a top tier school (even at the #7 or #8 position) might open more doors than playing #1 at a smaller college.

CAM178
10-24-2007, 10:56 AM
He could play any level, but he'll be playing 6 spot singles or 3 spot dubs in D1. No offense to this guy, but I would have no problem taking this kid. If you want to see crazy good college players, go see 1 or 2 spot singles in D1. Those guys are crazy good.

kevhen
10-24-2007, 11:09 AM
This guy looks 5.0 to me and maybe 5.5. Not quite as good as most of the guys who play D1 at the University here but with 4 years of intense training he could be as good 5.5-6.0. Good luck to him in getting a scholarship, he seems to have a good attitude and big serve so I am sure someone will pick him up.

pushing_wins
10-24-2007, 01:29 PM
I agree that this guy has no potential to make money on the ATP tour.

However, going "pro" isn't the only benefit to playing at a better tennis school. If this player's ambition was to be a college coach or teacher at a nice club, then playing at a top tier school (even at the #7 or #8 position) might open more doors than playing #1 at a smaller college.

why would anyone with his grade point/brain want to be a teaching pro?

that just so ********

playing college tennis means you have to sacrifice your studies.

the cost of playing college tennis far outweights the benefits for someone like him

Jack the Hack
10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
why would anyone with his grade point/brain want to be a teaching pro?

that just so ********

playing college tennis means you have to sacrifice your studies.

the cost of playing college tennis far outweights the benefits for someone like him

I agree. However, I have no idea what his motivation is. I was just pointing out that playing college tennis creates more opportunities than just "turning pro" on the ATP tour.

evan904
10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
i really didnt think he was that great

pushing_wins
10-24-2007, 09:41 PM
I agree. However, I have no idea what his motivation is. I was just pointing out that playing college tennis creates more opportunities than just "turning pro" on the ATP tour.

i agree. we dont know his motivations.

playing on a D1 team will take up all of your time. tennis will have to be your top priority. i just dont think that is wise. jmho