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TwistServe
11-16-2004, 02:04 PM
Coria is in no condition to play a tier1 even with tier1 players (minus Gaudio)... He should have stepped down and let Agassi in the masters cup..

This match with safin right now is a complete joke.. Look at the stats and tell me what you think?

Coria Receving points won: 14%
Coria Points won on first serve: 52%
Coria Points won on second serve: 33%

Safin Receiving points won: 53%
Safin Points won on first serve: 93%
Safin Points won on second serve: 71%

Coria total points won: 21
Safin total points won: 42

Max G.
11-16-2004, 02:18 PM
I completely agree that he is getting pwned.

I also think that he would have gotten killed by Safin even if he was playing at 100%. Even at his best, the only player in his group that I'd give him a chance of beating would be Henman.

...and btw, he kind of got his act together in the second. At 5-4, the current stats indicate that in the second set, Coria won 65% of his first serve points and 67% of his second serve points, and 30-some % of recieving points.

BiGGieStuFF
11-16-2004, 02:19 PM
So anyone know who will be playing who tomorrow in the first group with Federer? Do they pit the winners of two matches against one another?

Jayzzz
11-16-2004, 02:19 PM
How are you guys watching this match? What channel?

Max G.
11-16-2004, 02:19 PM
However, even if he does lose all three of his matches in straight sets, as I wouldn't be surprised to see him do, I will not say that he "should have stepped down." He earned the right to play in the tournament by his points won earlier in the year, and he is entitled to play if he wants to - and he clearly does.

Max G.
11-16-2004, 02:20 PM
How are you guys watching this match? What channel?

We're not, or at least I'm not. Live scoring on masters-cup.com gives all the statistics.

Max G.
11-16-2004, 02:22 PM
So anyone know who will be playing who tomorrow in the first group with Federer? Do they pit the winners of two matches against one another?

Not sure... I don't think it matters whether the two winners play first or the two losers play first or even if winner plays loser. It's round robin anyway, they'll all play each other.

Kevin Patrick
11-16-2004, 02:34 PM
The winners of the 1st match in each group usually play each other in the 2nd match, so Federer will play Hewitt tomorrow.

Coria views this event as a warmup for 2005. The tournament deserves better. Berasategui won a total of 8 games in 3 RR matches in '94, not sure Coria will win much more than that this year(if he can finish 3 matches)

BiGGieStuFF
11-16-2004, 02:38 PM
The winners of the 1st match in each group usually play each other in the 2nd match, so Federer will play Hewitt tomorrow.

Coria views this event as a warmup for 2005. The tournament deserves better. Berasategui won a total of 8 games in 3 RR matches in '94, not sure Coria will win much more than that this year(if he can finish 3 matches) Please be hewitt-Federer at night!! please please please. I'd die if it's Gaudio-Moya!!

The tennis guy
11-16-2004, 02:43 PM
He earns the right to play even if he loses 6-0 6-0. If we follow your logic, shouldn't Hewitt let Johanson to play US final since he lost 6-0 7-6 6-0?

By the way, both Agassi and Nalbandian withdrew from Mater Cup as alternate due to injury. Canas is in for them.

splink779
11-16-2004, 02:58 PM
I was totally psyched today to see the Safin/Coria match, since like I said before haven't really seen coria and i cant get AndyC's old coria/safin match. Just my luck the Hewitt/Moya match was on instead due to the delay and of course ESPN wouldn't dare go over the 2 hour mark in one day.

BigboyDan
11-16-2004, 03:09 PM
So much for Coria's new racquet. Coria: the new Chang.

barry
11-16-2004, 03:26 PM
Henman and Coria both injuried, Roddick gets another easy draw. Hope Safin plays Federer in the final.

BiGGieStuFF
11-16-2004, 03:29 PM
Henman and Coria both injuried, Roddick gets another easy draw. Hope Safin plays Federer in the final. Henmen is injured? is he playing then?

pound cat
11-16-2004, 05:32 PM
No Coria should not have stepped down twistServe. Agassi should have earned a few more points to ensure he would be in Masters Cup. I somehow have the feeling that you want him there a lot more than he wanted to be there. Learn to love Safin and you'll stop fretting about Agassi LOL

Jayzzz
11-16-2004, 06:01 PM
Can we get confirmation about the Henman injury? Will ESPN show the Coria/Safin match tonight instead?

Ronaldo
11-16-2004, 06:03 PM
Step down? This gig pays.

Foo4Everlong
11-16-2004, 06:31 PM
No Coria should not have stepped down twistServe. Agassi should have earned a few more points to ensure he would be in Masters Cup. I somehow have the feeling that you want him there a lot more than he wanted to be there. Learn to love Safin and you'll stop fretting about Agassi LOL

Andre did earn enough points, as he WAS in the top eight! The ATP needs to get rid of te rule that if you win a Grand Slam then you are automatically entered into the year-end tournament in Houston. It's all about points, and if you don't get the necessary points, you don't get in. It's as simple as that. Obviously if you win Grand Slams you get more points. So, win Grand Slams! Get more points. I believe Andre just didn't want to sit around all week waiting for someone to bow out. I don't blame him, I wouldn't have either. Plus, if I was him I would be rather discouraged with the fact that he was in the top eight at years end, and still wasn't included in the year-end tournament. I still think if he was able to play he would have. I think the hip injury is probably a little exaggerated. A reason for him not to have to sit around all week and watch all these guys play tennis . Booooorrrrinnng!
Same with Nalbandian. Later

P.S. Coria never shoulda played either making way for Andre as well. Watch Coria get his tail whipped all week long. -> What a week to make your "comeback."

Chadwixx
11-16-2004, 06:32 PM
its a match up thing, a player like coria cant compete with safin on any surface except clay (and if safin is on, the clay cant even stop him). safin just bashes the shots coria hits. its like hingis playing serena (if serena only makes 10 unforced errors).

Type40
11-16-2004, 06:36 PM
I've seen no report stating Henman is injured, where did you read that?

skittles
11-16-2004, 07:45 PM
Coria made in in top 8 coz he was ranked high enough... think about that... Gaudio should have been the one to step down coz he wasnt ranked high enough... He and Coria are both clay courters, thing is Coria won enough matches to be in the tournament. Gaudio made it coz he beat Coria at the French. Gaudio replaced Agassi coz he won French... What a great feat right? well it is if Masters was a clay court dis year but it isnt. Dont hate coz Coria couildnt stand up to Safin... what you think about Gaudio playing Safin?

perfmode
11-16-2004, 08:28 PM
Step down? This gig pays.

Isn't there a $90,000 appearance fee? I'd play in a wheelchair if I had to.

Steve Huff
11-16-2004, 08:37 PM
I guess you're saying that the year Safin crushed Sampras at the US Open, Sampras should have just bowed out, say after the 1st set or something. Afterall, Sampras wasn't in the same league that day as Safin. Coria still gets money for being there, even if he never wins a game. The pro's knew the point system going into the season. If he got 8th, he deserved to be there. Andre should have played a little more to get the points needed if he really wanted to be there.

VictorS.
11-16-2004, 09:31 PM
It's tough to say whether coria should've played or not. Obviously, if you look at his ranking and talent, there's no doubt he's deserving of being there. However, the guy is not match-tested having not played in a quite some time. From a fan's perspective, it definitely would've been better to see Agassi and Nalbandian in there instead of Coria and Gaudio....moe interesting match-ups.

Camilio Pascual
11-17-2004, 04:24 AM
Coria is in no condition to play a tier1 even with tier1 players (minus Gaudio)... He should have stepped down and let Agassi in the masters cup..Coria total points won: 21
Safin total points won: 42

So Boston should have stopped playing when they were down 3 - 0 to the Yankees since no team had EVER come back from that far down?

pound cat
11-17-2004, 05:02 AM
Here's what Coria says about this issue ..James Roberts houston as reported in the British press.

"Coria, who qualified for the eight-man field in spite of missing the last three months of the season after shoulder surgery, was asked if was considering retiring from the tournament to work on his fitness for next year's campaign. "I'm staying," he said. Coria and Safin are in Tim Henman's group.

TwistServe
11-17-2004, 07:59 AM
Coria is in no condition to play a tier1 even with tier1 players (minus Gaudio)... He should have stepped down and let Agassi in the masters cup..Coria total points won: 21
Safin total points won: 42

So Boston should have stopped playing when they were down 3 - 0 to the Yankees since no team had EVER come back from that far down?

Yes basically!.. Boston did something no one will EVER do again.. not even if their life depended on it!

TwistServe
11-17-2004, 08:06 AM
Step down? This gig pays.

Isn't there a $90,000 appearance fee? I'd play in a wheelchair if I had to.

Exactly what I was saying.. He's only there for the appearance money because we all know he isn't going to win.

TwistServe
11-17-2004, 08:07 AM
Coria made in in top 8 coz he was ranked high enough... think about that... Gaudio should have been the one to step down coz he wasnt ranked high enough... He and Coria are both clay courters, thing is Coria won enough matches to be in the tournament. Gaudio made it coz he beat Coria at the French. Gaudio replaced Agassi coz he won French... What a great feat right? well it is if Masters was a clay court dis year but it isnt. Dont hate coz Coria couildnt stand up to Safin... what you think about Gaudio playing Safin?

Gaudio deserves to be there.. He won the french open! not sampras or federer has won a french. that says something! And not only that, he beat some top d0gs that week!

Max G.
11-17-2004, 12:51 PM
Exactly what I was saying.. He's only there for the appearance money because we all know he isn't going to win.

Or maybe he's there for the practice? No amount of practice matches will give him the same experience as playing against the best players in the world. Maybe he just wants to see how his strokes are doing by comparing them to the world's elite in a match.

AndyC
11-17-2004, 02:57 PM
More for the practice than the cash I think. After all he's been out awhile and it's a good gauge for Coria to see how far away he's from the top now as compared to earlier this year.

He actually did reasonably well against Safin. I think the difference between this match and the one at Monte Carlo earlier this year is that Coria wasn't at his very best plus Safin having the confidence to go for his shots (after two back to back Masters wins). Coria's movement in the second set was appreciably better but having said that Safin was just hitting through him on too many occasions. Coria at his very best on hard would have given Safin a much tougher match though (see his run earlier this year at Miami). It would be unwise to say Coria is only good on clay.

skittles
11-17-2004, 06:21 PM
Coria made in in top 8 coz he was ranked high enough... think about that... Gaudio should have been the one to step down coz he wasnt ranked high enough... He and Coria are both clay courters, thing is Coria won enough matches to be in the tournament. Gaudio made it coz he beat Coria at the French. Gaudio replaced Agassi coz he won French... What a great feat right? well it is if Masters was a clay court dis year but it isnt. Dont hate coz Coria couildnt stand up to Safin... what you think about Gaudio playing Safin?

Gaudio deserves to be there.. He won the french open! not sampras or federer has won a french. that says something! And not only that, he beat some top d0gs that week!



Okay well niether Sampras nor Federer won French.. big deal... Gaudio is a clay court specialist HELLO! and so is Coria and if im not mistaken.. Coria had a nervous breakdown when he played Gaudio;otherwise, Coria would have been the champ. Plus French is played on a Clay court making THAT tournament something Gaudio can really excel at. federer is an all court specialist one of dese dayz he will win French. Sampras was a serve and volley type guy... He would have to bust out with his biggest serve and hopefully it had enough angle on it with pace...that ball stays up. You dont see a clay court player winning wimbledon... Well u dont normally witness it but it can happen. And u dont normally see serve volley player winning Clay. Its like saying... a 6'3" point guard winning a rebounding title in basketball... Simple as that... The big dawgs in French Open/Clay are names such as: Coria,Gaudio,Kuerton,Villas,Moya,Ferrero, Etc... and usually most hardcourt players iether rarely or never even practice on clay. Clay court is ruled by those like Ferrero,Coria and Gaudio, and Moya... Back to Coria and Gaudio... their both claycourt specialists... I dont expect niether of dese guys to compete in hardcourts. Unless they prove themselves Because they dont have a big enough serve to compete against the hardcourt big dawgs, Ferrero and Moya are more my type of clay courters because they have the serve and proved themselves that they can win... but as far as gaudio and coria, fact is their both in it and wether u like it or not... deal with it coz in the end niether one of dem are gonna be in semis or finals anywayz.... mostly safin,roddick,hewitt,or federer.

SydW
11-17-2004, 06:58 PM
I wonder if you actually realised that Coria was up one set against Roddick this year in miami or cincy final (which was on hard court for your information) till he had to retired due to injury and he almost had the win in last year Houston against Andy, up a break in the 3rd. Probably could have won if it was elsewhere instead of Houston which we all knew how it treated the foreign "claycourters" as you claimed.